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Low Probability is Only Half of Specified Complexity

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In a prior post the order of a deck of cards was used as an example of specified complexity.  If a deck is shuffled and it results in all of the cards being ordered by rank and suit, one can infer design.  One commenter objected to this reasoning on the grounds that the specified order is no more improbable than any other order of cards (about 1 in 10^68).  In other words, the probably of every deck order is about 1 in 10^68, so why should we infer something special about this deck order simply because it has a low probability.

Well, last night at my friendly poker game I decided to test this theory.  We were playing five card poker with no draws after the deal.  On the first hand I delt myself a royal flush in spades.  Eyebrows were raised, but no one objected.  On the second hand I delt myself a royal flush in spades, as well as every hand all the way through the 13th. 

When my friends objected I said, “Lookit, your intuition has led you astray.  You are infering design — that is to say that I’m cheating — simply on the basis of the low probability of this sequence of events.  But don’t you understand that the odds of me receiving 13 royal flushes in spades in a row is exactly the same as me receiving any other 13 hands. ” In a rather didactic tone of voice I continued, “Let me explain.  In the game we are playing there are 2,598,960 possible hands.  The odds of receiving a straight flush in spades is therefore 1 in 2,598,960.  But don’t you see, the odds of receiving ANY hand are exactly the same, 1 in 2,598,960.  And the odds of a series of events is simply the product of the odds of all of the events.  Therefore the odds of receiving 13 royal flushes in spades in a row is about 2.74^-71.  But, and here’s the clincher, the odds of receiving ANY series of 13 hands is exactly the same, 2.74^-71.  So there, pay up and kwicher whinin’.” 

Unfortunately for me, one of my friends actually understands the theory of specified complexity, and right about this time this buttinski speaks up and says, “Nice analysis, but you are forgetting one thing.  Low probability is only half of what you need for a design inference.  You have completely skipped an analysis of the other half — i.e. [don’t you just hate it when people use “i.e.” in spoken language] A SPECIFICATION.”

“Waddaya mean, Mr. Smarty Pants,” I replied.  “My logic is unassailable. ” “Not so fast,” he said.  “Let me explain.  There are two  types of complex patterns, those that warrant a design inference (we call this a ‘specification’ and those that do not (which we call a ‘fabrication’).  The difference between a specification and a fabrication is the descriptive complexity of the underlying patterns [see Professor Sewell’s paper linked to his post below for a more detailed explanation of this].  A specification has a very simple description, in our case ’13 royal flushes in spades in a row.’  A fabrication has a very complex description.  For example, another 13 hand sequence could be described as ‘1 pair; 3 of a kind; no pair; no pair; 2 pair; straight; no pair; full house; no pair; 2 pair; 1 pair; 1 pair; flush.’  In summary, BarryA, our fellow players’ intuition has not led them astray.  Not only is the series of hands you delt yourself massively improbable, it is also clearly a specification.  A design inference is not only warranted, it is compelled.  I infer you are a no good, four flushin’, egg sucking mule of a cheater.”  He then turned to one of the other players and said, “Get a rope.”  Then I woke up.

Comments
Why does this work with the analogy? Because the cards are pre-fabricated with CSI as Appollos stated above, though the selection process is external, it is open to many interpreations dependant upon rules based systems as well. The project of Nano Self-Assembly has the intelligent selection process built-in. Undoubtedly, it can be expanded upon, feedback loops put in place for error checking, and agents of communication can be put in contact that act differently for external purposes independent of the prefab instructions. To cool... Am I close? Or am I off base?Michaels7
November 1, 2007
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BarryA, I think you might find the following article about guided evolution matches up with your analogy, even though they still roll off the tongue how evolution may have began, they're guiding it by ID. A few paragraphs...
Mario Ruben at the Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe GmbH (FZK) explain that this observation of molecular organization at surfaces may lead to further insight of how simple, inanimate molecules can build up biological entities of increasing structural and functional complexity, such as membranes, cells, leaves, trees, etc. Dr. Mario Ruben’s research team at FZK is responsible for designing molecules with built-in instructions, which when read out activate the self-selection process. He comments: "Spontaneous ordering from random mixtures only occurs when built-in instructions are carefully designed and sufficiently strong to initiate successful self-selection."
Of course, this is also in a pristine lab environment as well. But I think it bodes well for ID type research. "Built-in instructions" that facilitate "selection" criteria. Evolution in the Nano World http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDocumentation/documentation/pressReleases/2007/pressRelease200710292/ Max Plank Institute; HT: CreationSafaris.com Can you say FrontLoading :)Michaels7
November 1, 2007
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Mickey:
If I were to encounter the text string you give as an example, I would first consider context. For example if someone handed me a piece of paper with it written on it, I would infer that some sort of meaning were involved and proceed to try and discover it. There is no practical situation I can think of where I wouldn’t wonder about the meaning, in fact.
What difference does any clues about the context, so long as you were uncertain to any meaning? Why would you, after seeing the revealed message after use of the Caesar decoding scheme, then think it was designed by a person (or other intelligence)? Different scenario: What if these characters came printed out on a paper that you believed was a random character generator? And afterwards revealed the same decoded phrase... and this scneario is hypothetically isolated from the first.JGuy
November 1, 2007
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Mickey:
If there are two decks of cards, one in no discernible order, and one ordered by rank and suit, which arrangement was more likely to occur randomly?
Just to clarify the final clause, do you mean "which would be more likely to occur if we randomly shuffled decks of cards" or "which could be more confidently imputed to mere chance, given that both had occurred?" I'll assume the latter. Given that you've said the (unmentioned) observer cannot discern the order of the first deck, but presumably knows enough to recognize the specified order of the second, he cannot impute the order of the first deck to anything but chance with any confidence.
And one more question: suppose I am the head of a secret card-arranging society, and the deck that is in no discernible order to you, has in fact been put in a double-secret special order by me. Which deck displays CSI to you?
Dembski writes about this in The Design Inference in terms of "background knowledge" (see pp. 16-18, 45, 69-73; especially section 3.3 "Background Information"). "... briefly, probability is a relation between background information and events." ... "Change the background information and the probability changes as well." To your hypothetical observer (me) who has no background knowledge of the "non-discernible" order, CSI cannot be inferred for the first deck. But of course it can be inferred by a society member who has the right background information.lars
November 1, 2007
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great thread....thank you very much kairosfocus. i think you answered all objections excellently and beyond any reasonable rebuttal.interested
November 1, 2007
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Brookfield, I think you are putting a needless layer of complexity on this. Yes, I put the cards in the context of a poker game to make the story interesting. But even if there were never a card name called "poker" and what we call a "royal flush in spades" was nothing but an interesting subset of cards, the math would be the same.BarryA
November 1, 2007
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BarryA, Love the poker skit.
The existence of design in no way depends upon your subjective response to it. In other words, the fact that a given observer may not understand that specified complexity exists has nothing to do with whether it in fact exists.
I think Mickey's question is not "doesn't SC's existence depend on an observer's knowledge of independent patterns?" but rather "doesn't the warrant to infer SC depend on the inferrer's knowledge of independent patterns"? Or if that's not what he meant, it's a natural next question. And the answer, if I am following this correctly, is "Yes it does. And we humans (those who are willing to pay attention) fall into the category of observers who have knowledge of independent patterns that can be observed in nature (e.g. in the cosmos and in bio systems). Or to put it another way, systems in nature conform to independent patterns (such as IC?) that we humans have knowledge of. So it is warranted for us to infer SC and ID." And a big part of the ID project is demonstrating that such patterns are found in nature and are independent (specified). Right? I believe I'm agreeing with BarryA and DaveScot, just perhaps putting things in a different way that may speak to the mental state I would have if I were asking Mickey's question. As far as I can tell, he is asking in all honesty, and his question deserves to be treated seriously. (As you have been.) P.S. Check spelling of "dealt"! ;-)lars
November 1, 2007
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Mickey #25 -- Ok, I'll bite. " . . .if there are two decks of cards, one in no discernible order, and one ordered by rank and suit, which arrangement was more likely to occur randomly? And one more question: suppose I am the head of a secret card-arranging society, and the deck that is in no discernible order to you, has in fact been put in a double-secret special order by me. Which deck displays CSI to you?" The deck with no discernible order was more likely to have occured randomly. By the way, my view of your double-secret society is this: According to its own charter, it can not exist. It can not exist because its charter is to order cards whose order is not discernible. To order is to select, to select implies meaning, meaning implies understanding, understanding requires discernment. But, you are not allowed discernment. I am not talking about the poor sap who happens across the two decks. I am talking about YOU. You didn't say that the deck's order was not discernible by me UNTIL you changed the story later. you wrote somewhat too cleverly "one in no discernible order". Either the deck has an order that is discernible (even if not by me right then) so it was not properly described, OR its order is completely indiscernible in which case you could not have ordered it. Oh, and to answer your second question, the ordered deck displays "more" CSI because the first deck is not there.Tim
November 1, 2007
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Hi Apollos, "Certain arrangements contain a specification which cannot easily be attributed to chance" As I see it specificity is the *opposite* of chance. Specifications therefore "by definition" cannot be produced by chance. The card deck however has its endogenous/residual low level specificity that could, with very low probability, produce the configuration that we call "a royal flush." The "royal flush" and other such winning configurations however, are not legitimate members of the mere set of cards (and a mere uniform probability distribution over the set of possible card configurations). The "royal flush is a part of a "superset" world beyond the mere "set" of cards. This "superset" world is the set of human gaming specifics and associated human monetary values and specific interests. The "specification," as I see it comes from this "superset." I am thinking that a rigorous probabilistic analysis would involve combining the smaller (card)set and the larger superset into a single set in which smaller card set provides only a very small level of uncertainty (due to its residual specificity).William Brookfield
November 1, 2007
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I may regret this, but I have to ask: if there are two decks of cards, one in no discernible order, and one ordered by rank and suit, which arrangement was more likely to occur randomly? And one more question: suppose I am the head of a secret card-arranging society, and the deck that is in no discernible order to you, has in fact been put in a double-secret special order by me. Which deck displays CSI to you?
I thought I answered you twice already.
Try reading Dembski’s books. That’s called a false negative, which is a valid minor issue with formalized design detection. But we’re really only concerned if there is a false positive. While there are specifications that are context sensitive other specifications are independent of culture and such. The flagellum provides motility, for example. ..... Obviously I agree completely that the CSI exists independently but that still would not prevent the non-card player from making a false negative using formalized design detection, would it?
BTW, just one or two lucky draws aren't enough to qualify as CSI. That's why there is a UPB. It's also why things like the Bible Code where people try to find secret messages in the Bible or other books like Moby Dick do not count. It also prevents conspiracy theorists who look for secret messages in newspapers (or other such examples) from using ID to support them.Patrick
November 1, 2007
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Mickey, re [32] Because it is a silly question.BarryA
November 1, 2007
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Dave, I understand your point, and have no issues with it. What I was trying to get at originally was that the playing card analogy wasn't apt in light of what goes on in living cells, due to the restricted nature size of the deck of cards, No matter. The questions I posed to Apollos in #25 above have yet to be answered, though.Mickey Bitsko
November 1, 2007
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Micky it requires pattern recognition that is not available to all observers. So? Recognizing a photomicrograph of an integrated circuit as a designed object requires pattern recognition not available to all observers. Ignorance on the part of any particular observer doesn't change the truth of the matter.DaveScot
November 1, 2007
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Oops: RP's argument is in this thread!kairosfocus
November 1, 2007
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Hi BarryA et al: You are right on the central importance of complex specified information, and indeed the case of 13 Royal Flushes in a row in a Poker session is indeed an excellent case in point that shows just how design becomes a superior [and even prudent] explanation relative to chance. I comment on some points of note above: 1] But any shuffle outcome is just as likely as any other . . . One problem with this case is that the functionality that is a component of the specification is external to the actual outcome of the shuffling: WE, in playing poker assign a certain hand a certain high value. So, it is "easy" to object that in effect the unique macro-state [Royal Flush] is arbitrary, and "any other microstate [particular ordering of cards] is just as likely]. Sure, it is foundational to statistical thermodynamics-type reasoning that any given microstate [here, shuffle outcome] is just as [un]likely as any other. But the trick is that once we have identifiable MACROstates that can be independently recognised [at "macroscopic" level], they will normally each include certain numbers of microstates. So, when a particular specified and useful macrostate [Royal Flush here] has a very small statistical weight [no of compatible microstates],compared to the non-royal flush macrostate. By RF def'n: a poker hand with the ace, king, queen, jack, and 10 all in the same suit, there are four such microstates, and the rest of the just about 10^68 microstates are non-royal flush. So, if one goes to a standard poker game and the shuffling is by chance, the probabilistic resources are such that the odds of seeing 13 such RFs in a row are negligibly different from zero. BUT, it is not that hard for a clever agent to conveniently give himself 13 such hands in a row. Therefore, on inferenfce to best explanation, agent action is the best and prudent explanation of the outcome as you report in the OP. 2] But, that's not a PROOF This is of course not a proof beyond all dispute or objection, but it is the precise sort of thing we have to do every day and in science in order to function in the real world. 3] But any other state could have been chosen and would work just as well . . . The other point of concern is that the functionality is in effect arbitrary [though the fact of compressibility of description is an excellent index that it is meaningful -- most such sets of hands could only be described card by card, for each of 13 hands]. That is part of why I developed the microjets example discussed here, in Appendix A, point 6 to my always linked. For, if we select any arrangement of microjet parts in a vat at random, the overwhelming likelihood is that they will be in a scattered state. A clumped at random state will be much less probable and is best explained by intelligently directed clumping work. But even relative to such a randomly clumped state, a flyable configuration will be exceedingly rare, and is best explained in terms of intelligent assembly. So we see clumping work then configuring work to a plan. And, if you think such work is a reasonable outcome of chance, you are in effect denying the premise on which thermodynamics rests -- i.e you are being selectively hyperskeptical, as the evidence and otherwise acceptable reasoning are not pointing where you want to go. Let us note as well that in directly observed cases of CSI, EVERY case where we directly know the causal story is the product of agency. The stat mech argument simply shows why. So, the origin of life, and the origin of body-plan level biodiversity, both of which are well above the threshold of 500 - 1,000 bits of information, are best exp-lained as the product of agency; even though as yet we do not know the way it was done. 4] But functional states are not that rare . . . And, BTW, that is also why Religion Prof's argument in another thread fails, as he is failing to see that we are dealing with chains of DNA of order 500,000 - 3 billion 4-state elements long [1 mega bit to 6 gigabits of storage capacity!], which are tied to functionality that is plainly rare in the configuration space. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
November 1, 2007
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What, no lovely parting gifts? :>)Mickey Bitsko
October 31, 2007
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Mickey, that's it. If you have not been convinced so far your ignorance has been proven to be invincible. Please move along.BarryA
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Apollos said,
All arrangements are not equal simply because the probability is the same. Certain arrangements contain a specification which cannot easily be attributed to chance. There are properties of these arrangements which can objectively be identified.
I may regret this, but I have to ask: if there are two decks of cards, one in no discernible order, and one ordered by rank and suit, which arrangement was more likely to occur randomly? And one more question: suppose I am the head of a secret card-arranging society, and the deck that is in no discernible order to you, has in fact been put in a double-secret special order by me. Which deck displays CSI to you?Mickey Bitsko
October 31, 2007
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Apollos writes: "am I wrong to consider this type of semantic compression a property of specification?" Of course not. This is the very point I make in the last paragraph of the original post.BarryA
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...if you identify CSI strictly by its complexity, how do you escape the tautology?
Mickey, you seem to be ignoring the fact that CSI is not identified strictly by its complexity. An hour long presentation of static on your television screen is complex, but can't for a moment be confused with an hour long presentation of the history of the Roman empire, which is complex but also specific. To say that each is just as improbable is a non sequitur. If you're trying to engage this issue seriously and honestly, you need to consider the specification aspect of CSI, Complex Specified Information. A deck of cards ordered by suit and rank is complex and specified as opposed to a random arrangement which is complex but not specific. All arrangements are not equal simply because the probability is the same. Certain arrangements contain a specification which cannot easily be attributed to chance. There are properties of these arrangements which can objectively be identified. Chief among these is the suit/rank arrangement. Here is its specification: Four categories: hearts, diamonds, clubs, spades, each containing a set of indices from 1 to 13: ace, 2-10, jack, queen, king. (This can easily and succinctly be expressed in computer code). I've just used 22 words to describe the arrangement of every card in a 52 card deck. Try to specify a random arrangement and see what you come up with. Also note that it doesn't really matter what "random" order you use, they will all be equally non-specific (roughly). To any others: am I wrong to consider this type of semantic compression a property of specification?Apollos
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Mickey, the question has not been asnwered because it poses a null set. You ask, "if you identify CSI strictly by its complexity, how do you escape the tautology?" The whole purpose of this post is to demonstrate that CSI is not identified "strictly by its complexity." Look at the title of the post. Complexity (i.e., low probability) is only half the story. The other half is specification.BarryA
October 31, 2007
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Barry, The whole thing with the cards came up because I had asked a question of you in another thread I was responding to DaveScot, who proposed the deck-of-cards analogy:
I understand your analogy, but don’t see how a group of 52 unique, unchanging objects equates to what goes on in the genome. We can calculate the probability of any given order of a deck of cards precisely, but that’s not possible with mutation and subsequent changes in the genome. Thus my question to BarryA still remains: if you identify CSI strictly by its complexity, how do you escape the tautology?
As far as I can tell, the question hasn't been answered.Mickey Bitsko
October 31, 2007
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Barry, "I can’t agree with you here mike. If our purpose is to falsify materialist accounts of origins, we must do so on probability, not logical impossibility, grounds." I liked your post, but I think it should be falsified on both fronts. When dealing with the probability question, I see it as in "our court" to demonstrate this positively. When dealing with the possibility question, I see it in "their court" to demonstrate their positive conjecture. I believe it is fruitful to make them chase their tails on both fronts.mike1962
October 31, 2007
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mike1962 sasy: "Barry, while a particular order of the cards is highly unlikely, it is not impossible. What is needed to persuade die hard idealogues is not merely the improbable, but the impossible." I can't agree with you here mike. If our purpose is to falsify materialist accounts of origins, we must do so on probability, not logical impossibility, grounds. The reason for this is that materialists posit time, chance and necessity as the raw materials of their program. If we take away chance in principle, they will say, "we are talking past each other, because you are not dealing with our theory on its own terms." We eliminate chance not in principle, but in practice. That is why the subtitle to Dembski's book is "Eliminated Chance Through Small Probabilities." Note that Dembski never eliminates chance in principle; he eliminates it in practice though the universal probability bound. In my example, if I were to deal a 13 hand series to every atom in our galaxy (i.e., to 10^68 atoms) it is better than even money that none of them would get 13 royal flushes in spades in a row. If someone continues to insist that it is nevertheless possible for this to happen, then there is no hope for them and we can safely ignore them.BarryA
October 31, 2007
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Barry, while a particular order of the cards is highly unlikely, it is not impossible. I, personally, have never liked this angle for that reason. What is needed to persuade die hard idealogues is not merely the improbable, but the impossible. A random shuffle of cards has an equal chance at any arrangement of the cards, but no matter how many times a deck is shuffled, the A on the Ace of Spades will never turn upside down on the paper! The blind watchmaker crowd notes that certain kinds of empirically verified generic changes occur and then illogically extrapolate that to any and all form or function we see in the biological world, despite absence of empirical validation. We, in the information and engineering sciences, know that you cannot always get from point A to point B by wishful thinking. That something is "plausible" in one's imagination doesn't mean a thing unless it is demonstrated to have a "path of actuation." Until a concept is proved, it is merely an idea. The blind watchmaker crowd seems to be oblivious to this. They assume that there are blind natural chemical pathways from earlier species to later ones that explains the generation of all the cell types, tissue type, organs and body plans. Lately I've been thinking about a challenge to the blind watchmaker crowd. I provide several output number tables and an algorithm. You tell me what input to the algorithm yields a particular result, or if no input can yield the result. Or course, for extra fun I can make the algorithm self-modifying (in a deterministic way.) Any takers?mike1962
October 31, 2007
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Patrick writes: "Obviously I agree completely that the CSI exists independently but that still would not prevent the non-card player from making a false negative using formalized design detection, would it?" Agreed, but I understood Mickey to be making a different point than that a false negative is possible if there is insufficient information. I understood him to be saying that unless, in his words, "all observers" understand the pattern, no design inference can be made. This is, as I stated, simply not the case. I also agree with your second point, and I think it is very important. In science a design conclusion, like all scientific conclusions,must always be contingent. As Popper said, science never makes absolute statements.BarryA
October 31, 2007
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Barry, Obviously I agree completely that the CSI exists independently but that still would not prevent the non-card player from making a false negative using formalized design detection, would it? On another note, there is the falsification of design detection. Let's say we found a 2001-style monolith on the moon and all the planets. Design would likely be inferred. But suppose later on we discover an unknown process (a Law) that is observed to create these monoliths in space. Similarly, formalized design detection in regards to biology is open to falsification based upon new observations. But just because some minor sub-systems are capable of being produced by Darwinian mechanisms under limited scenarios does not automatically mean that the entire ID scientific program is kaput. I like this quote by Behe: "I think a lot of folks get confused because they think that all events have to be assigned en masse to either the category of chance or to that of design. I disagree. We live in a universe containing both real chance and real design. Chance events do happen (and can be useful historical markers of common descent), but they don’t explain the background elegance and functional complexity of nature. That required design." Personally I think some ID proponents set the bar too low, which sets up ID for a possible easy embarrassment. I think we should expect to find some valid examples of Darwinian evolution that go beyond our expectations.Patrick
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Mickey, I think I finally understand your problem. You say: "the deck of cards analogy doesn’t work because it requires pattern recognition that is not available to all observers." This statement is simply wrong. The existence of design in no way depends upon your subjective response to it. In other words, the fact that a given observer may not understand that specified complexity exists has nothing to do with whether it in fact exists. In my example, assume a non-card player is sitting at the table. The fact that he does not understand that I cheated and that my cheating was obvious to someone who understands the game in know way undermines the fact that the pattern is in fact both complex and specified. In other words, both the complexity and the specification exist independently of any observer's ability to see them. If you don't see this, I can't help you and we'll just have to agree to disagree.BarryA
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Religion Prof, your comment [1] is not germane. I am not attempting to model DNA. My sole purpose is to illustrate the concept of specified complexity. Everyone understands on a deep intuitive basis that 13 royal flushes in spades in a row absolutey must be the produce of design and not mere chance. What I have done is show that this intuition can be demonstrated rigorously. Now, if I were to apply this to biology, I would start the same place. Everyone who has studied the matter the least litte bit understands at an intuitive level that living things appear to be designed. Even arch-atheist Richard Dawkins understands this as demonstrated by his famous concession that biology is the study of complicated things that appear to have been designed for a purpose. Dembski's project is to demonstrate that this untuition can also be affirmed in a rigorous way.BarryA
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Bork, in the article I link in [5] Dembksi uses arrows instead of darts, but the concept is the same. Here it is: What is a suitable pattern for inferring design? Not just any pattern will do. Some patterns can legitimately be employed to infer design whereas others cannot. It is easy to see the basic intuition here. Suppose an archer stands fifty meters from a large wall with bow and arrow in hand. The wall, let’s say, is sufficiently large that the archer can’t help but hit it. Now suppose each time the archer shoots an arrow at the wall, the archer paints a target around the arrow so that the arrow sits squarely in the bull’s-eye. What can be concluded from this scenario? Absolutely nothing about the archer’s ability as an archer. Yes, a pattern is being matched; but it is a pattern fixed only after the arrow has been shot. The pattern is thus purely ad hoc. But suppose instead the archer paints a fixed target on the wall and then shoots at it. Suppose the archer shoots a hundred arrows, and each time hits a perfect bull’s-eye. What can be concluded from this second scenario? Confronted with this second scenario we are obligated to infer that here is a world-class archer, one whose shots cannot legitimately be explained by luck, but rather must be explained by the archer’s skill and mastery. Skill and mastery are of course instances of design. Like the archer who fixes the target first and then shoots at it, statisticians set what is known as a rejection region prior to an experiment. If the outcome of an experiment falls within a rejection region, the statistician rejects the hypothesis that the outcome is due to chanceBarryA
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