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In a comment on kairosfocus’ latest excellent post, Does ID ASSUME “contra-causal free will” and “intelligence” (and so injects questionable “assumptions”)?, Mark Frank proposes a thought experiment in support of his view that determinism is fully compatible with free will. It goes as follows:

Start with a dog. Dogs make choices in the sense that they may accept or reject a treat, may obey or disobey an order, may chase a rabbit or not. Suppose we advance our understanding of dogs’ brains and thought processes so that a genius vet can predict with 100% accuracy how a dog will choose in any given situation given its past history and current circumstances. Surely this is conceivable? If we manage this do we now say that dogs are making real choices? If it they are real choices then this is compatibilism in action. So I guess, in these circumstances, you would say that we have shown they do not really have free will.

Now extend it to infants – say two year olds. They make choices – eat or don’t eat, cry or don’t cry, hug or don’t hug. So let’s imagine we repeat the process with them. A genius paediatrician in this case (maybe you one day!). Are the infants also lacking free will? Either compatabilism is true or they haven’t got free will.

OK. Now apply it to an adult human. If it is conceivable for a dog and an infant then surely it is conceivable for an adult. A genius psychologist observes an adult and is able to predict all their decisions and explain why – exactly how each decision is determined by their genetics, personal history and current environment (it doesn’t have to be a materialist explanation). Has that adult got free will? Either compatabilism is true or they haven’t got free will.

And finally apply to yourself. Suppose it turns out a genius psychologist has been monitoring you all your life and has been able to correctly predict all your decisions and also how the decision making process worked in detail – how your different motivations were balanced and interacted with your perceptions and memories resulting in each decision (including any dithering and worrying about whether you got it right). Would that mean you thought you had free will but actually didn’t? Either compatabilism is true or you haven’t got free will.

As my computer is currently kaput, this will be a very short post. I’d like to suggest that what Mark Frank has left out of the equation is language, the capacity for which is what differentiates us from other animals. (Human infants possess this capacity but do not yet exercise it, partly because their brains, when they are newborn, are still too immature for language production, and also because they have yet to build up a linguistic databank that would enable them to express what they want to get across.)

Language is central to human rationality because rationality is not just a matter of selecting the appropriate means to realize a desired end: it is also a critical activity, in which agents are expected to be able to justify their choices and respond to questions like “Why did you do that?” People don’t just act rationally; they give reasons for their actions. In order to do that, you need a language in which you can generate an indefinitely large number of sentences, as the range of possible situations in which you might find yourself is potentially infinite – particularly when we factor in the little complicating circumstances that may arise.

What is distinctive about human language, as opposed to animal “language,” is precisely this ability to generate an infinite number of sentences. This uniquely human ability was the subject of a recent article in the Washington Post titled, Chirps, whistles, clicks: Do any animals have a true ‘language’?, which was discussed in a recent post by News (emphases are mine – VJT):

A new study on animal calls has found that the patterns of barks, whistles, and clicks from seven different species appear to be more complex than previously thought. The researchers used mathematical tests to see how well the sequences of sounds fit to models ranging in complexity…

“We’re still a very, very long way from understanding this transition from animal communication to human language, and it’s a huge mystery at the moment,” said study author and zoologist Arik Kershenbaum, who did the work at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis…

“What makes human language special is that there’s no finite limit as to what comes next,” he said….

But what separates language from communication? Why can’t we assume that whales, with their elaborate songs, are simply speaking “whale-ese”?

To be considered a true language, there are a few elements that are usually considered to be essential, says Kershenbaum. For one, it must be learned rather than instinctive — both whales and birds have this piece covered. For instance, killer whale calves learn a repertoire of calls from their mothers, and the sounds gradually evolve from erratic screams to adult-like pulsed calls and whistles.

What holds whales and other animals back from language is that there is a limit to what they can express. There are only so many calls that each may convey different emotions, but only we have an unlimited ability to express abstract ideas.

The problem for scientists is that no one knows how language evolved. Oddly enough, there don’t seem to be any transitional proto-languages between whale and bird songs — said to be the most sophisticated animal calls — and our own speech.

There are two conflicting theories of how language evolved in humans. The first is that human language evolved slowly and gradually, just as most traits evolved in the animal world. So perhaps it started with gestures, and then words and sentences. Or language may have started out more like bird song — with complex but meaningless sounds — and the last stage was attaching meaning to these sounds.

Reading the last paragraph in the passage quoted above brings to mind Nobel Laureate John Eccles’ derisive remarks about “promissory materialism.” The fact is that scientists haven’t got a clue how language evolved – and for a very good reason. The gap between the law-governed deterministic processes we observe in Nature and the infinite flexibility of human language is an unbridgeable one.

That is why no psychologist could ever, even in principle, predict everything that a rational adult human being will think, say and do. Language, which is fundamentally unpredictable, is part of the warp-and-woof of human life. Hence the antecedent in Mark Frank’s thought experiment – “What if a psychologist could predict every decision that you make?” – is impossible, by definition.

Back in 1957, behaviorist B. F. Skinner wrote a best-selling book with the amusing title, Verbal Behavior. I hope readers can see now why language is much more than mere behavior.

Thoughts?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OHVjs4aobqs#t=0anthropic
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Sorry, I know this is supposed to be a serious discussion, but sometimes the positions people take force them to say the most outlandish things. Mark, i get a real charge out of your statement.
Suppose we advance our understanding of dogs’ brains and thought processes so that a genius vet can predict with 100% accuracy how a dog will choose in any given situation given its past history and current circumstances. Surely this is conceivable?
It's particularly ironic in a discussion about free will in which part of VJT's argument is how language allows us infinite number of possibilities the Mark Frank uses the word "conceivable". "Conceivable" can have two different meanings in the context of the question. 1. Is it possible for us to think about it? Yes it is possible for us to think about (i.e.; theoretically consider)this circumstance. One of the reasons that language increases the set of possibilities is that we can "conceive" not only of things that are possible, but also things that are impossible. ( Even if one could prove that language only allows us to consider a finite number of possible scenarios, that would neglect all the impossible scenarios ). Mark Frank proves that is true by suggesting to us an impossible scenario. So Mark thanks for establishing that language ( your writing) enables us to consider impossible scenarios. 2. "Conceivable" in this context can also mean "realistically possible". This is where I can prove Mark Frank wrong. A simple financial analogy: Why don't I return the cleaner I got from the company that was sold with a "money back" guarantee? The reason is that in order to get the $5 charge back, it would cost me $20 in shipping. In other words, the situation of the cheapest method of getting any money back, costs me more than the cleaner. So it is IMPOSSIBLE to recoup the cost of the cleaner. Not just difficult, IMPOSSIBLE, given where the seller is located, and where I, the buyer, is located. So why is it impossible for a genius vet to be able to "...predict with 100% accuracy how a dog will choose." Because the genius vet is a time bound creature. There is a large but finite set of data that must be gathered and analyzed to learn the "current circumstances" of the dog. The problem is, that by the time all that data is gathered and analyzed, the dog's state has changed. No matter how fast your genius vet is a gathering and analyzing the current state of the dog, the vet's data is already stale by the time he tries to use it. It is conceivable, that a genius vet could analyze and gather all the data and some time after the fact come up with a prediction of what the dog has already chosen, but that defeats the premise of the argument, which assumed the choice was yet future. Mark Frank, your beginning supposition is "conceivable" by humans who can consider things which can not possible happen. It is not "conceivable" as in possible to actually happen given the time boundedness of our thinking. Therefore your initial assumption is flawed. When the initial assumption is flawed, the rest of the argument is really pointless. Please forgive me for getting a slight chuckle out of how your the unintended double meaning in you initial post kind of defeats your argument. I don't expect you to get it. If you did you see how foolish your argument actually was, and withdraw it.JDH
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Mung #36
Are you saying that your position is that free will (to the extent it means anything) is compatible with determinism plus non-determinism?
Good question. Non-determinism is not a precise term. I don't see any options other than determined and random i.e. the outcome is (within limits) at core unpredictable. But those who believe in libertarian free see a third alternative. So for me non-determinism is identical to random but for Gpuccio I guess it means either random or this mysterious other thing.Mark Frank
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Mark Frank:
My position is that free will (to the extent it means anything) is compatible with determinism plus truly random events.
By "truly random events" do you mean non-deterministic? Are you saying that your position is that free will (to the extent it means anything) is compatible with determinism plus non-determinism?Mung
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Thanks just wanted some professional insight thanks.Jaceli123
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Immaterial Mind - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720zEnzgTyMbornagain77
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Mark, Thanks for the clarification.Mung
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VJT, Don't forget the distinction between power and exercise/use.
The personist ... view ... confuses the exercise of rational thought with the power of rational thought. A creature can have the power to do X without having the use or exercise of the power, say because it is not at the right developmental stage. - David S. Oderberg. Real Essentialism, p. 250
Mung
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Gpucio, I honestly want to understand your reasoning. If we presuppose that free will is a fact, will that not also limit how we look at consciousness? Given that our decision making process is so strongly linked to consciousness (whatever that is) I fail to see how proceeding with the starting point that free will is a fact would not seriously bias any conclusions we make about consciousness. If free will is beyond our ability to understand from a physical perspective (ie, supernaturally cause) then consciousness must also be. But this would be a conclusion based on an unproven assumption.Acartia_bogart
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Mung: I don't know if Mark wuld argue that a computer has compatibilist free will. That's his problem. I am not interested in compatibilist free will. I certainly argue that a computer has no libertarian free will. Moreover, I don't think that free will is a concept that we can apply to God. It is more a concept for humans. IMO, God's will cannot be understood according to our human standards.gpuccio
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Acartia_bogart: I know you disagree. :)gpuccio
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Mung #22
So, lest everyone get off on the wrong foot, Mark does not deny free will. So this isn’t about whether free will exists or not. His position is that free will is not incompatible with determinism.
My position is that free will (to the extent it means anything) is compatible with determinism plus truly random events.
Free will is compatible with determinism. Determinism is false. Therefore free will is false. QED
Strange logic indeed. The “earth is round” is compatible with “the sun goes round the earth”. The “sun goes round the earth” is false. Therefore, “the earth is round” is false.Mark Frank
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Mung #22
So, lest everyone get off on the wrong foot, Mark does not deny free will. So this isn’t about whether free will exists or not. His position is that free will is not incompatible with determinism.
My position is that free will (to the extent it means anything) is compatible with determinism plus truly random events.
Free will is compatible with determinism. Determinism is false. Therefore free will is false. QED
Strange logic indeed. The “earth is round” is compatible with “the sun goes round the earth”. The “sun goes round the earth” is false. Therefore, “the earth is round” is false.Mark Frank
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Gpucio:"But it is true that, if one chooses to believe in free will, a general scientific understanding of many problems becomes easier. Including important issues like consciousness, its relationship with matter, functional complexity and design." I respectively disagree. I think that having a firm belief in free will (either for or against) adds a bias/preconception to these studies which could result in the wrong conclusions being drawn.Acartia_bogart
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gpuccio:
For one who believes in libertarian free will, a computer, however complex, has no free will (its workings are completely determined by necessary laws or by random variables) and no consciousness.
But isn't that just begging the question? Wouldn't Mark argue that a computer, though completely determined, could still have free will?Mung
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To be free is to possess potentiality. There is no potentiality in God (God is pure act). Therefore God is not free.Mung
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Acartia_bogart: I agree with you that the final decision about free will is not purely scientific. It is mainly philosophical, and it is mainly a personal choice of worldview. But it is true that, if one chooses to believe in free will, a general scientific understanding of many problems becomes easier. Including important issues like consciousness, its relationship with matter, functional complexity and design.gpuccio
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So, lest everyone get off on the wrong foot, Mark does not deny free will. So this isn't about whether free will exists or not. His position is that free will is not incompatible with determinism. But is determinism true? Who cares whether free will is compatible with determinism if determinism is false. Free will is compatible with determinism. Determinism is false. Therefore free will is false. QEDMung
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Interesting discussion but it will always remain in the philosophical realm simply because there is no unambiguous experiment that could clearly show that we do or do not truly have free will. The number of variables that would have to be controlled, or at least accounted for, is far too large. But, given the huge number of variables that affect even the simplest of decisions, the perception of free will may be an illusion. I don't know if we truly have free will, and neither does anybody else. But the same can be said for my cat.Acartia_bogart
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RB states:
Lastly, it is simply false to state that “scientists haven’t got a clue how language evolved.” There are many, many clues. What we lack is a dispositive, complete account of those events. Again, not surprising given that those events transpired a thousand centuries or more in the past and left little physical evidence.
Despite RB's blind faith in the unobserved remote past, the problem is far more difficult than he is willing to let on: Nobody has a clue as to how something as complex as a brain can 'naturally' originate, much less does anyone have a clue how a material brain can create information
Human brain has more switches than all computers on Earth - November 2010 Excerpt: They found that the brain's complexity is beyond anything they'd imagined, almost to the point of being beyond belief, says Stephen Smith, a professor of molecular and cellular physiology and senior author of the paper describing the study: ...One synapse, by itself, is more like a microprocessor--with both memory-storage and information-processing elements--than a mere on/off switch. In fact, one synapse may contain on the order of 1,000 molecular-scale switches. A single human brain has more switches than all the computers and routers and Internet connections on Earth. http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-20023112-247.html Before They've Even Seen Stephen Meyer's New Book, Darwinists Waste No Time in Criticizing Darwin's Doubt - William A. Dembski - April 4, 2013 Excerpt: In the newer approach to conservation of information, the focus is not on drawing design inferences but on understanding search in general and how information facilitates successful search. The focus is therefore not so much on individual probabilities as on probability distributions and how they change as searches incorporate information. My universal probability bound of 1 in 10^150 (a perennial sticking point for Shallit and Felsenstein) therefore becomes irrelevant in the new form of conservation of information whereas in the earlier it was essential because there a certain probability threshold had to be attained before conservation of information could be said to apply. The new form is more powerful and conceptually elegant. Rather than lead to a design inference, it shows that accounting for the information required for successful search leads to a regress that only intensifies as one backtracks. It therefore suggests an ultimate source of information, which it can reasonably be argued is a designer. I explain all this in a nontechnical way in an article I posted at ENV a few months back titled "Conservation of Information Made Simple" (go here). ,,, ,,, Here are the two seminal papers on conservation of information that I've written with Robert Marks: "The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher-Level Search," Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics 14(5) (2010): 475-486 "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success," IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, 5(5) (September 2009): 1051-1061 For other papers that Marks, his students, and I have done to extend the results in these papers, visit the publications page at www.evoinfo.org http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/04/before_theyve_e070821.html Darwin's mistake: explaining the discontinuity between human and nonhuman minds. - 2008 Excerpt: Over the last quarter century, the dominant tendency in comparative cognitive psychology has been to emphasize the similarities between human and nonhuman minds and to downplay the differences as "one of degree and not of kind" (Darwin 1871).,,, To wit, there is a significant discontinuity in the degree to which human and nonhuman animals are able to approximate the higher-order, systematic, relational capabilities of a physical symbol system (PSS) (Newell 1980). We show that this symbolic-relational discontinuity pervades nearly every domain of cognition and runs much deeper than even the spectacular scaffolding provided by language or culture alone can explain,,, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18479531
bornagain77
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gpuccio @ 10 I see your point. :)Dionisio
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My question is why, since Mark Frank is open to experiment in this area, does Mark Frank refuse to accept the results from quantum mechanics that show free will (and conscious observation) to be 'axiomatic' to quantum mechanics?
Can quantum theory be improved? - July 23, 2012 Excerpt: in the new paper, the physicists have experimentally demonstrated that there cannot exist any alternative theory that increases the predictive probability of quantum theory by more than 0.165, with the only assumption being that measurement (*conscious observation) parameters can be chosen independently (free choice/free will assumption) of the other parameters of the theory.,,, ,, the experimental results provide the tightest constraints yet on alternatives to quantum theory. The findings imply that quantum theory is close to optimal in terms of its predictive power, even when the predictions are completely random. http://phys.org/news/2012-07-quantum-theory.html
Needless to say, finding ‘free will conscious observation’ to be ‘built into’ our best description of foundational reality, quantum mechanics, as a starting assumption is VERY antithetical to the entire materialistic philosophy! For Mark Frank to overturn this positive evidence for free will he would basically have to overturn the entirety of quantum mechanics!,,, Consider me skeptical that he will ever be successful! :) Also of interest:
Scientific Evidence That Mind Effects Matter – Random Number Generators – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE1haKXoHMo
I once asked a evolutionist, after showing him the preceding experiments, “Since you ultimately believe that the ‘god of random chance’ produced everything we see around us, what in the world is my mind doing pushing your god around?” supplemental notes:
Wheeler's Classic Delayed Choice Experiment: Excerpt: Now, for many billions of years the photon is in transit in region 3. Yet we can choose (many billions of years later) which experimental set up to employ – the single wide-focus, or the two narrowly focused instruments. We have chosen whether to know which side of the galaxy the photon passed by (by choosing whether to use the two-telescope set up or not, which are the instruments that would give us the information about which side of the galaxy the photon passed). We have delayed this choice until a time long after the particles "have passed by one side of the galaxy, or the other side of the galaxy, or both sides of the galaxy," so to speak. Yet, it seems paradoxically that our later choice of whether to obtain this information determines which side of the galaxy the light passed, so to speak, billions of years ago. So it seems that time has nothing to do with effects of quantum mechanics. And, indeed, the original thought experiment was not based on any analysis of how particles evolve and behave over time – it was based on the mathematics. This is what the mathematics predicted for a result, and this is exactly the result obtained in the laboratory. http://www.bottomlayer.com/bottom/basic_delayed_choice.htm "Thus one decides the photon shall have come by one route or by both routes after it has already done its travel" John A. Wheeler Alain Aspect speaks on John Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment - video http://vimeo.com/38508798 Genesis, Quantum Physics and Reality Excerpt: Simply put, an experiment on Earth can be made in such a way that it determines if one photon comes along either on the right or the left side or if it comes (as a wave) along both sides of the gravitational lens (of the galaxy) at the same time. However, how could the photons have known billions of years ago that someday there would be an earth with inhabitants on it, making just this experiment? ,,, This is big trouble for the multi-universe theory and for the "hidden-variables" approach. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2000/PSCF3-00Zoeller-Greer.html.ori "If we attempt to attribute an objective meaning to the quantum state of a single system, curious paradoxes appear: quantum effects mimic not only instantaneous action-at-a-distance but also, as seen here, influence of future actions on past events, even after these events have been irrevocably recorded." Asher Peres, Delayed choice for entanglement swapping. J. Mod. Opt. 47, 139-143 (2000).
You can see a more complete explanation of the startling results of the experiment at the 9:11 minute mark of the following video
Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment Explained - 2014 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4
also of note:
The Measurement Problem in quantum mechanics - (Inspiring Philosophy) - 2014 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7d5V71vUE
So why do Mark Frank, and other atheists, refuse to accept this evidence? If they were truly 'scientific' they would at least honestly admit that their deterministic worldview has been severely compromised. But alas, such unreasonableness to admit to the obvious is what is constantly encountered when debating atheists!bornagain77
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VJ:
The fact is that scientists haven’t got a clue how language evolved – and for a very good reason. The gap between the law-governed deterministic processes we observe in Nature and the infinite flexibility of human language is an unbridgeable one.
It strikes me that in the above, and your post generally, you have assumed your conclusion. It does not follow from the fact that human behavior, particularly language behavior, is impossible to predict with sentence-by-sentence granularity that it is not determined. Even within a Newtonian framework, n-body problems in physics exemplify physical interactions that are for all practical purposes unpredictable, yet wholly determined. That the output of a system of 100 billion neurons and 1 quadrillion synapses (characterizing the brain of a three year old at the heart of the third year language explosion) - a system that acquires its competence in the context of a complex social environment and unique personal history - cannot be predicted, should not be a surprise. Further, I think you are imagining an impossible bridging between incommensurate factors - between the language flexibility displayed by individual persons on one hand and the evolutionary and developmental origins of that flexibility on the other. There are strong arguments to be made that both theory of mind and the human capacity for language, and the behavioral flexibility that derives from same, have evolutionary origins, your assumed conclusion to the contrary notwithstanding. If so, then a deterministic/stochastic processes will have given rise to a grammatical language generator capable of generating infinite sentences, and hence, per your argument, to everything about human freedom that matters (to paraphrase Dennett). Indeed, your equation of human freedom with the human capacity for representation, particularly by means of language, is quite similar to the thesis that Dennett advanced in “Freedom Evolves.” Lastly, it is simply false to state that "scientists haven’t got a clue how language evolved." There are many, many clues. What we lack is a dispositive, complete account of those events. Again, not surprising given that those events transpired a thousand centuries or more in the past and left little physical evidence.Reciprocating Bill
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VJ I guess this is the key point to respond to:
3. The dog in your example may be able to make an indefinitely large number of responses, but they are responses within a confined space of possibilities with a limited number of dimensions. With language, we are free to enlarge the number of dimensions as we wish, making it a truly open space
Obviously you are using "dimension" metaphorically here and I am afraid I don't get the metaphor. The dog's possible responses are limited - we don't know what those limitations are but I guess we can be pretty certain of many responses they don't include. Our possible responses, including linguistic responses, are a lot broader but also limited - and again we don't know what those limitations are. Possibly you are equating the infinite variety of sentences that are syntactically possible with the variety of sentences that real people can in practice actually utter?Mark Frank
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VJT: Thanks for a kind thought. Language, to me pivots on ability to perceive and assert A is X or A is not X, and to choose to follow implications thereof. KFkairosfocus
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GP & Tim: I suggest that responsible freedom is a requisite of reasoning on propositions, however perceived. Cause-effect computation is not rational, insight based contemplation. KFkairosfocus
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VJT: I hope you solve the problem soon. I suggest a cheap backup machine for any heavy PC user. Maybe a netbook or the like. KFkairosfocus
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Hi Mark Frank, Thank you for your comments. In response to your points: 1. I'm not sure whether feral children totally lack language, but I'd be happy enough to say that until they've acquired one, they're not free. 2. The fact that we learn a language gradually doesn't mean that free will is not a binary thing, but simply that the scope of our free choices broadens as we mature and become more proficient in the use of language. 3. The dog in your example may be able to make an indefinitely large number of responses, but they are responses within a confined space of possibilities with a limited number of dimensions. With language, we are free to enlarge the number of dimensions as we wish, making it a truly open space. However, upon reflection, I think language is only one half of the explanation as to why our choices are unpredictable: we also have a theory of mind, and the fact that we can think of people as other selves, with beliefs and desires of their own, who are also capable of language, coupled with the fact that we can then factor their responses to what we may do into our choices, adds a further element of unpredictability to our human behavior.vjtorley
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Tim: Mark speaks of compatibilist free will, which is certainly different from libertarian free will. For one who believes in libertarian free will, a computer, however complex, has no free will (its workings are completely determined by necessary laws or by random variables) and no consciousness. You say: "Along with language (which in its most mature form, I read as both a cause and marker of free will), " Well, I would say that language (like any other form of dFSCI) is certainly a marker of free will. I don't believe, however, that it is a cause of free will. I do believe that it is the other way round: Free will is a necessary (maybe not sufficient) cause of language and of all other forms of CSI/dFSCI. The reasoning is simple: machines, however complex, cannot generate original language and in general original CSI/dFSCI. A reasonable analysis can show us that the main reason for that is that they work only by necessary laws and random variables. Conscious intelligent purposeful free can generate tons of original language, software, and other forms of CSI/dFSCI. A reasonable analysis can show us that the main reason for that is that they are conscious and that they can use specific powers of consciousness which are nowhere found in algorithmic machines: intelligent cognition, feeling and purpose, and free choice. The power deriving from those conscious faculties is the true cause of language and in general CSI/dFSCI.gpuccio
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Dionisio: Very interesting quotes. I would say that "the plans of the heart" are our true freedom. The final manifestation of those plans is not in our control.gpuccio
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