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When asked if I believe in miracles I reply yes, and that I know of one for sure — on the grandest scale imaginable. What is a miracle? It is an event with no naturalistic explanation or cause. The event of the origin of the universe is, by definition, a miracle, since matter, energy, space and time (nature) did not exist to cause it. By definition, the universe had a super(beyond or outside of nature)natural cause.

Concerning the origin of the universe, I get frustrated that almost no one ever makes an obvious point when debating atheists who challenge, “Who designed the designer?” Matter, energy, space, and time came into existence at the birth of the universe. (Matter and energy are two manifestations of the same phenomenon, as are space and time. These are just two of Einstein’s great insights that are no longer disputed even amongst the most secular physicists.)

Language becomes difficult at this point, because one cannot reference a time before time began. “Before the origin of the universe” has no meaning, because “before” implies a point on the time line of the physical universe.

This simple logic leads to the following conclusion: The cause of the universe does not have, and cannot have, a cause. It has no past (or present, or future, all points on the time line of the physical universe), and therefore no history or point of origin. With this in mind, asking “Who designed the designed the designer?” is as pointless as asking, “Where is an airplane on the ground when it is in the air?”

After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM.

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I have trouble imagining the facts in question causing trouble for either theism or atheism. I wasn't clear enough here. The point is that just as space came into existence with the origin of the universe, so time must have. This provides a powerful argument in favor of an uncaused first cause, which is secularism-unfriendly. If time had a beginning then the cause of the universe has no past, so the designer could not have been designed.GilDodgen
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It's weird; normally this point is made against the Cosmological Argument — namely to say that it is nonsense to ask what caused the Universe, period. It's interesting that it can be flipped around that way.
Matter and energy are two manifestations of the same phenomenon, as are space and time. These are just two of Einstein’s great insights that are no longer disputed even amongst the most secular physicists.
The word "even" here suggests that these facts were more readily accepted, or even anticipated, by theists. I have trouble imagining the facts in question causing trouble for either theism or atheism.
After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM.
And you didn't do a half-bad job, Gil! ;)Lenoxus
April 10, 2010
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Fortunately, at one point in my life I realized that I could no longer conjure up enough irrational blind faith in the transparently absurd to remain so. Yup. Something to think about: a culture that believes there is no underlying purpose and that everything is by accident, is doomed, and the culture that holds that view is the loudest, most grasping, most violent, most materialist and most blatantly obvious culture in the West. There is another culture, however, that exists quietly but unashamedly along side it. Its members know there is a purpose to existence and suffering, and that God exists and is love and is good, and that His will will prevail. These are the meek. Take a guess as to who is going to inherit.tribune7
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You fail to see the upshot of your own argument. "Causation" is a concept that is only meaningful in this universe. Causation results from an inference made about a certain relationship between matter and time. So when none of these things existed, neither did causation. The "who designed the designer" argument is rightfully given in response to a theist who claims that the universe had to have a cause. But claiming that the universe had to have a cause is an illogical statement, because causation has no meaning before the universe came into being. It is not at all obvious that the universe required a cause. Hence your conclusion-- "After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM"-- does not follow. So it is indeed logically correct to ask who designed the designer to a theist who claims that the universe needed a cause. You try to perform a sleight of hand and claim that the universe needed a non-material, non-temporal cause, but the concept of causation relies on matter and time. If you are willing to divorce causation from matter and time, then you make yourself responsible for explaining the cause of your immaterial designer, or else you're back to special pleading.Retroman
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Miracles by Walt Whitman Why, who makes much of a miracle? As to me, I know of nothing else but miracles, Whether I walk the streets of Manhattan, Or dart my sight over the roofs of houses toward the sky, Or wade with naked feet along the beach just in the edge of the water, Or stand under trees in the woods, Or talk by day with anyone I love, or sleep in the bed at night with anyone I love, Or sit at table at dinner with the rest, Or look at strangers opposite me riding in the car, Or watch honey bees busy around the hive of a summer forenoon, Or animals feeding in the fields, Or birds, or the wonderfulness of insects in the air, Or the wonderfulness of the sundown, or of stars shining so quiet and bright, Or the exquisite delicate thin curve of the new moon in spring; These with the rest, one and all, are to me miracles, The whole referring, yet each distinct and in its place. To me every hour of the light and dark is a miracle, Every cubic inch of space is a miracle, Every square yard of the surface of the earth is spread with the same, Every foot of the interior swarms with the same. To me the sea is a continual miracle, The fishes that swim--the rocks--the motion of the waves--the ships with the men in them, What stranger miracles are there? http://www.internal.org/Walt_Whitman/Miracles In the last line Walt Whitman asked what stranger miracles are there? For me, I found a far stranger miracle than the miracles swarming around us, in the fact that the creator of all these miracles around us is willing to have a real, tangible, personal relationship with each of us, through Christ, if we are willing. I can truly think there can be no greater miracle than to have a relationship with God and to be considered a part of the family of God in that I am now called a child of God, by none other than God Himself.bornagain77
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Dear tribune7, As you know, I am a former militant Dawkins-style atheist. Fortunately, at one point in my life I realized that I could no longer conjure up enough irrational blind faith in the transparently absurd to remain so.GilDodgen
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Well said, Giltribune7
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