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A couple of days ago I received the following email from a student in France:

 Hello,First of all, please excuse my poor English (I am a French native).  I am currently writing an essay in epistemology with two of my co- students (I’m in second year of M.Sc in research, specialized in Evolutive Ecology and Epidemiology of Host-Parasites relationships), in which we focus on the gloabl acceptance by society of different models to explain evolution. More than the models (we choose the “original” theory of Charles Darwin, the transformist theory of Lamarck, the “balanced equilibrium” theory of Stephen Jay-Gould, and the more recent Intelligent Design), we are interested in the people who believe in them.I contact you because the blog “Uncommon descent” states you as a friend of them. This blog is well known in France as one of the main information stream on Intelligent Design. My question is: how do you comme to trust in Intelligent Design? What do you think to be the most important flaws in the modern theories describing the course of evolution?

I hope you will find some time to answer me,

Regards,

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How would you respond to Mr. X’s inquiry.  My stab at a response is below.

 Dear Mr. X,I am writing to respond to your email of September 27, 2007.   You ask two questions: (1) How do you come to trust in Intelligent Design? and (2) What do you think to be the most important flaws in the modern theories describing the course of evolution? I will answer the questions in reverse order.

Question 2. Darwinism’s flaws include:

A. Specified Complex Information. DNA is an information code of staggering complexity and elegance. We know that complex specific information of this sort is not normally generated though unguided mindless natural processes. When we see complex information in other contexts (think of Mount Rushmore), we are compelled to assume that the cause of the information was intelligent agency. The Darwinist, on the other hand, is compelled to “explain away” what everyone would concede is initially the most probable explanation.

Dawkins writes: “Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design (New York; Norton, 1986), 1.

Darwinists attempt to explain this complex information by resorting to the “numerous monkeys typing” randomness. In other words, the theory goes, if you have enough monkeys pounding on enough typewriters, sooner or later they will pound out the works of Shakespeare. We now know, thanks largely to the work of scholars like William Dembski, that appeals to randomness of this sort are mathematically unsound given the limits on probabilistic resources set by the apparent age of the universe.

Darwinists themselves are beginning to recognize this conundrum and some have attempted to solve it by substituting “large number of monkeys” with “infinite monkeys.” They do this by positing a “multiverse theory” of infinite universes. But this is a double-edged sword for the Darwinist. On the one hand, “infinite monkeys” does in fact get one to the generation of complex specified information by random means. On the other hand, the multiverse theory is not testable or falsifiable. It is not science; it is metaphysics, philosophy or, dare I say, religion. Multiverse theory also violates the elementary principle of scientific inquiry known as “parsimony,” which states that, other things being equal, the simplest explanation is to be preferred. I ask you, which is the most parsimonious theory: infinite universes or one designer?

B. Origin of Life Problem. Darwinists do not even have plausible speculations about how life began in the first place. In fairness, Darwinism, by definition, cannot begin until life has already begun and a self-replicating system is in place. But simply waving one’s hands and assuming a problem away is like assuming away the elephant sitting in the living room.

“Research on the origin of life seems to be unique in that the conclusion has already been authoritatively accepted . . . What remains to be done is to find the scenarios which describe the detailed mechanisms and processes by which this happened. One must conclude that, contrary to the established and current wisdom a scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written.” Hubert Yockey, “A Calculation of the Probability of Spontaneous Biogenesis by Information Theory,” Journal of Theoretical Biology 67 (1977): 379, 396, 377-98.

C. Irreducible Complexity. Michael Behe’s work on irreducible complexity is compelling. Various Darwinist’s claims to the contrary notwithstanding, no detailed Darwinian account of the evolution of irreducibly complex systems such as the bacterial flagellum have ever been proposed.

D. The Edge of Evolution. Once again, Behe’s work appears to be unanswerable (at least it has not been answered). Over millions of generations natural selection has been able to produce only very modest changes in the malaria parasite. Thus, the hard irrefutable “facts on the ground” suggest that natural selection is simply insufficient to account for substantial changes to organisms.

E. The Fossil Record.

One need not be a creationist or an ID proponent to understand that the fossil record does not support Darwinist gradualism: “Darwin’s prediction of rampant, albeit gradual, change affecting all lineages through time is refuted. The record is there, and the record speaks for tremendous anatomical conservatism. Change in the manner Darwin expected is just not found in the fossil record.” Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myth of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46.

Thus, some Darwinists say that gradualism is falsified by the evidence. But others say that gradualism is the very essence of the theory.

“Darwin’s own bulldog, Huxley, as Eldredge reminds us yet again, warned him against his insistent gradualism, but Darwin had good reason. His theory was largely aimed at replacing creationism as an explanation of how living complexity could arise out of simplicity. Complexity cannot spring up in a single stroke of chance: that would be like hitting upon the combination number that opens a bank vault. But a whole series of tiny chance steps, if non-randomly selected, can build up almost limitless complexity of adaptation. It is as though the vault’s door were to open another chink every time the number on the dials moved a little closer to the winning number. Gradualness is of the essence. In the context of the fight against creationism, gradualism is more or less synonymous with evolution itself. If you throw out gradualness you throw out the very thing that makes evolution more plausible than creation. Creation is a special case of saltation – the saltus is the large jump from nothing to fully formed modern life. When you think of what Darwin was fighting against, is it any wonder that he continually returned to the theme of slow, gradual, step-by-step change?”

Richard Dawkins, “What Was All the Fuss About?” review of Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibria by Niles Eldredge, Nature 316 (August 1985): 683-684 (emphasis added).

In summary, Darwinist Dawkins says gradualism is absolutely necessary for the theory to be true, and Darwinists Eldredge and Tattersall say gradualism is falsified. Thus, I conclude – based on the statements of the Darwinists themselves – that Darwinism is falsified.

Question 1.

I do not “trust” in the theory of Intelligent Design. Of the competing models purporting to explain the astonishing diversity and complexity of life, ID is by far the most plausible to me. Darwinism truly is the best theory of evolution by mindless unguided natural forces. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine such a theory that does not in some way look like Darwinism. The only other explanation on the table is intelligent design. Thus, evidence disconfirming Darwinism tends to support ID. Therefore, the answer to question 1 is to some extent the flip side of question 2. This is not to say that the data does not support ID affirmatively. It does. For example, when dealing with complex specified information, ID is the obvious inference to the best explanation.

Finally, I suspect Darwinism because it is clear that it is held by many Darwinists on religious, not scientific, grounds not because of the evidence but in the very teeth of the evidence.

“Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

Richard C. Lewontin, “Billions and Billions of Demons,” review of The Demon- Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, by Carl Sagan, The New York Review of Books, January 9, 1997, 30-31.

I do not accept Dr. Lewontin’s religious views; therefore, there is no reason for me to accept any conclusion of his that is compelled by those religious views instead of the evidence on the ground.

Comments
As Shakespeare said: "Tired with all these..." Anyway, it's almost a duty now. So on we go: #18 "Showing that we do not have the explanation for something just shows that we do not have the explanation (yet). What troubles me most about ID is its message that it is appropriate to stop looking for explanations at that point." The problem is that ID is not showing that we do not have the explanation for something, it is showing, on the contrary, that specific explicit explanations, like darwinian evolution, don't explain anything, and are self-contradictory. In any serious science, that would be more than enough to reject those explanations. Moreover, ID has never issued a message that it is appropriate to stop looling for explanations. The only message is that it is frankly stupid to stick to explanations which don't explain anything, and which cannot ever explain anything, because reason clearly shows that. The problem is not that darwinian evolution is not "yet" supported by facts. Darwinian evolution is logically inadequate and contradictory, "and" many times falsified by facts. Moreover, ID "is" definitely suggesting a scenario of thought in which a lot of explanations can be searched and found: it is, exactly, the design scenario. The fairy tale that, once admitted design, no further inquiry is possible because we have let God in is, indeed, a fairy tale, and a bad one. #18 "I also find the focus on notions like ‘complex specified information’ troubling not so much in and of themselves..." I am afraid that the only reason you might find the notion of CSI troubling is because you can't understand it. But don't be discouraged: try again. With time, you may succeed. If you need help, we are here for that. #18 "...but because those who actually study the CONTENT of the information found in DNA agree that it contains a wealth of information..." and "...and what it says when we read it seems pretty clear to most scientists" Here is, again, your favourite, and I am afraid only, argument: conformism. Scientists are on your part, so you must be right. Pardon me, but then why ever should we talk to "you", or red what "you" say? We has better relate to true (and relaxing) scientists, like Kenneth Miller or PZ Myers, and they will certainly be good enough to give us illunination. Why discuss? It's so much simpler to believe and obey... #29 "I accept that, on the level of biology, it is possible to describe what is going on in my body when I speak in natural terms ON THAT LEVEL. Speaking about my volition, like speaking about God, is not a competing explanation, but a different level of viewing the same things." You might say that this is an argument, and that I was not correct in affirming that your only argument is conformism. You are right, I apologize. I should have said that your only "scientific" argument is conformism. You have indeed philosophical arguments of your own. They are not original, they are not good, they are a recycling of old, very old conceptions, but they are something. So, let's be realistic: you are a bad philosopher, and a conformistic science amateur. But please, try to understand that, once you admit that everything can be fully explained by known physical laws at what you call one "level", nobody with a reasoning mind will probably be interested in your other very imaginary and completely useless level: your idea that the two levels may co-exist, and yet be completely independent, is a rather gross recycling of a "res cogita and res extensa" view of the world, and it could easily be shown that it leads to unsolvable internal contradictions. #29 "Would you conclude that the designer was inept for placing the wind and food pipes together? Would you conclude that the designer was sadistic for creating insects that kill one another in the mating process?" Bad philosophy again, and above all very, very bad religion. The "bad design equals no design" argument is silly in the mouths of atheists, but it is complete folly from one who believes in God. Millennia of religious though have tried to find an answer to the coexistence of a God and of evil. That's a true metaphysical mystery, and the core of many deep religious and/or philosophical insights in all times. You are only banalizing it in a terribly simplistic argumentation. You are making bad philosophy, and in no way any science, in doing so. Just think for a moment that, if God exists, and if He has created the world (two big ifs, but let's say that you probably agree), He is anyway responsible for the whole result, unless you think that undefined limitations outside of Him have compelled Him to do so. So, your easy dismissal of all bad things in the world by attributing them to natural forces is completely nonsense: God created those natural forces and, if you believe that He is outside time and space (as I think you should), than He certainly knew what He was doing, and what the result would be. So, He is responsible anyway. I am afraid you will have to find a better solution to ease your conscience.gpuccio
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ReligionProf, I suspect that you're going to face a lot of resistance on this blog -- which is good for all of us! It strikes me that you're willing to accept some degree of "hermeneutic pluralism" -- that there are many different levels and strategies of interpretation (e.g. physical, biological, psychological, theological), and that what 'works' at one level might not work at another. So the language and concepts used in biological explanations can operate in some independence from theological problematics. By contrast, most design theorists and their supporters are "hermeneutic monists" -- they want a single system that unifies all interpretative schemes within a 'meta-scheme'. They see the concept of design as a way of achieving within a 21st century what Aquinas was able to do in the 12th century -- unify all science, ethics, politics in a single metaphysical system. And their materialist/atheist opponents are no less Cyclopsean. While pluralists like us are, as it were, damned from both sides.Carl Sachs
October 3, 2007
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"The design argument is not only scientifically troubling - it leads to a very troubling view of God." Troubling conclustions are often a good sign. Evidence that only supports what we already "know" is a sign that some things are being overlooked.dl
October 3, 2007
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Religious Prof: Suppose you were a witness in a murder case and the prosecution was trying to decide if the defendant had opportunity, means, and motive to commit the crime. He is accused of a brutal physical act. The prosecutor begins the process of ascertaining the probability of guilt. First, he want's to know if the alleged killer had the opportunity (was he on the scene?) If not, there is no need to proceed further. If so, he moves to the next step to find out if the defendant actually had a murder weapon (means). If not, there is no need to proceeed. If so, he begins to consider possible motives. This is the natural process of the human mind. This is roughly the same process that Dembski's explanatory filter uses. There is no reason to even consider design unless you have eliminated necessity and chance. Now suppose the presiding judge examines this logical process and says to the prosecutor, "what is it with all this negative methodology your are using?" The prosecutor say, "wait judge, it makes no sense to speculate WHY he did it if we don't first know IF he did it. Finally, the judge says, "away with this bigoted prosecuter, he is just trying to sneak in his Motive theory throught the back door. All this talk about eliminating other possibilities is just a cover for his ideology. We have already decided that there are never any motives, only the APPEARANCE of motives. Anyone caught checking for motives in the future will be lampooned, persecuted, and, if need be, held in contempt of court. Religious prof, stop being that judge.StephenB
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I'm not an atheist and not a deist, although I suppose many of us might be willing to allow for the possibility that God does not directly do things that God was in prior generations assumed to do. But if you see God's involvement in all things - even those that have natural explanations - then how is that atheism or deism? I accept that, on the level of biology, it is possible to describe what is going on in my body when I speak in natural terms ON THAT LEVEL. Speaking about my volition, like speaking about God, is not a competing explanation, but a different level of viewing the same things. Let's say we can know about the designer just as we know about the humans who produced artifacts that archaeologists have found. Would you conclude that the designer was inept for placing the wind and food pipes together? Would you conclude that the designer was sadistic for creating insects that kill one another in the mating process? Would you treat the designer as just plain weird for creating moles with non-functional eyes instead of no eyes at all? The design argument is not only scientifically troubling - it leads to a very troubling view of God.ReligionProf
October 3, 2007
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What troubles me most about ID is its message that it is appropriate to stop looking for explanations at that point.
This is a straw-man. I've never heard an ID proponent make this argument. Some Creationists, maybe. But ID is not Creationism.dacook
October 3, 2007
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godslanguage, Welcome to the blog. I understand your point, but I think it speaks past Behe's project, which was not so much an argument for design as an argument that Darwinist process were simply insufficient to account for these structures. As I mention in the post, this is an argument for design, but only indirectly soBarryA
October 3, 2007
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ReligionProf writes: “What troubles me most about ID is its message that it is appropriate to stop looking for explanations at that point.” I am so weary of the “ID is a science stopper” argument; for it has been answered again and again. See here for example: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/driving-down-the-piles/BarryA
October 3, 2007
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ReligionProf:
"There are plenty of unanswered questions about the early history of the language and its natural or supernatural origins."
This is erroneous in itself, because it supposes that "the language" might have natural origins. However we know that no coded information system can arise naturally. Languages do not arise without intelligence. Abstract code that represents something other than itself - like the genetic code - never arises from random processes in matter. Language implies symbolic convention which implies intelligence. The fact that DNA contains error trapping mechanisms implies knowledge. There is no such thing as 'error correction' without knowledge. But DNA does not have it's own knowledge therefore it was designed by someone with knowledge of what proper states are within the genome versus erroneous states. Only intelligently designed processes can detect error. The very existence of logical absolutes implies the existence of an absolute mind. Logic is conceptual, not physical. There is no absolute logic without mind. Information is not sugars and enzymes. Information is metaphysical and is thus different from the media in which it is stored. That alone ought to wake up any Darwinist to truth about the universe -> there is more than empirically verifiable, materialist constructs in existence!Borne
October 3, 2007
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Religion Prof. I get very tired of people saying ID is a science stopper! If an Intelligence did indeed intervene at certain points in the universe's march towards advanced carbon based life as is currently being indicated, then I want to know this with as much certainty as possible, and feel that science offers men the tools to detect and solidify these facts as such. Is science all the sudden going to stop it relentless pursuit of knowledge because of such revelations...NOT IN THE % !! Much like the cat that was too curious, science will continue to question and search out answers for exactly how did the Intelligence effect whatever cause was determined to be influenced...Indeed such questions as " Did the Intelligence somehow encode complex specified information in light so as to implant it on the DNA of matter? Is gravity intimately connected to matter or does it arise from a higher dimension? Do any specific thoughts of the human mind effect any type of matter in any way shape or fashion? etc. etc. etc. Indeed Prof. once this alchemy of evolution is finally tossed into the trash heap of human history where it belongs I see many possible breakthroughs in science...In all truthfulness Prof. materialism/evolution is the science stopper for it refuses to consider any other possibility other than a proven false one. And I ask you Prof. "What good is a proven end going to do for science?"bornagain77
October 3, 2007
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I am sorry that my typing went astray and the previous email was addressed to ReligionProf.jerry
October 3, 2007
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ReligionPtog, Do you believe in God? If you do and by the way personal experience has taught me that religion professors do not necessarily believe in God, then did God ever do anything? If God did something to affect the way of the world, would that be an example of God intervening to change the natural flow of things. As such would science be at a standstill to explain this intervention since the natural flow was interrupted. I think the answer is obvious. So if you admit the possibility of God and you then admit the possibility that God intervened in the world somehow, then you have to admit that there may be some instances where science would not be able to explain the event in question. So to continue to rely on the God of the Gaps argument which is what you seem to be doing is to admit that you are either an atheist or some form of Deist that said God may have acted once but that was it and He then took a hike. So which are you, an atheist or a deist?jerry
October 3, 2007
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Carl Sachs, There is no attempt to lay out each other's arguments in a systematic basis. Twice I have gone through UC Berkeley's evolution class in their first year biology series. It is on the internet for all to see. At best circumstantial evidence is provided in support of neo Darwinism while depending upon the professor disingenuous shots are taken at ID. The best circumstantial evidence I have seen in support of a naturalistic mechanism is the geographic isolation data which shows that geographically isolated areas have very different species. How is not supported by any evidence. Thus, this does not point to a gradualistic approach just that different environments brought forth different species. It would be consistent with some other naturalistic approach that is more abrupt. Using the negative argument, the naturalistic supporters always point out the unlikelihood of some intelligence creating all these variants in different isolated geographical areas. By the way I believe the geographical argument is the strongest in the naturalistic bag of explannations. However, these same proponents always fail to mention the lack of evidence that should be there. It is the classic "dog barking in the night" scenario. Why didn't the dog bark; why aren't the expected transitions there? There are no transitions barking at us anywhere. So they wave it away.jerry
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BarryA, I would include in my response to these students a reference to origin of information. As we all know, there is nowhere in this Universe a source of information that is purely materialistic. An information source is ALWAYS a mind. And we all know that a cell is “teaming with information”, as a stored information, and also as a processed information. There is – within the cell – a huge database AND a great computing capability. Can that evolve from scratch? … I don’t think so, that was never observed in nature…Sladjo
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ID does not dispute evolution as the observed progression of biological forms over hundreds of millions of years. - magnan
Just to clarify, ID neither affirms nor denies this.russ
October 2, 2007
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Showing that we do not have the explanation for something just shows that we do not have the explanation (yet). What troubles me most about ID is its message that it is appropriate to stop looking for explanations at that point. I also find the focus on notions like 'complex specified information' troubling not so much in and of themselves, but because those who actually study the CONTENT of the information found in DNA agree that it contains a wealth of information about the history of humankind, our relatedness to other species, and the way our organism functions. There are plenty of unanswered questions about the early history of the language and its natural or supernatural origins. But we have the book in front of us, and what it says when we read it seems pretty clear to most scientists.ReligionProf
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In re: (13)
I would define ID as the theory that some aspects of living things are best explained as the result of intelligent agency.
I think that this needs to be supplemented with the claim that intelligent agency is either independent of, or at least irreducible to, causally closed system as deterministically understood. Or no? In re: (14), Jerry, I think you're really onto something there -- that each side has largely (if not entirely) negative arguments. More and more I'm coming to think that (a) each side is wrong precisely because it fails to acknowledge the truth of the other side and (b) this is a general feature that underlies all conflicts (intellectual, scientific, social, political, personal, etc.)Carl Sachs
October 2, 2007
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There are several explanations for the appearance of new species. Each essentially lacks any positive evidence supporting it. We resort to negative information to disprove the other theories. That is essentially what Darwin did and it still remains the strongest argument against intelligence based explanations. It is also essentially what ID does best, namely showing that the other explanations cannot possibly happen and by default we are left with an intelligence based explanation which could explain life's origin and its changes over time. That is essentially what the Edge of Evolution was about. So each side adds up the negative arguments for the other explanations and then proclaims victory. So who has the best negative arguments? I personally think ID does.jerry
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StephenB writes: “I am inclined toward ID because it is liberating to the intellect.” Good point. I considered throwing in a comment about how ID allows us to be open minded and follow the evidence wherever it might lead; whereas most Darwinists seem bent on ignoring or distorting any evidence that may lead them off the straight and narrow path illuminated by Saint Charles. This is, of course, another double-edged sword, because we really must face the fact that Darwinism is supported by some evidence (unimpressive evidence in my view), and we must be prepared to deal with that sometimes uncomfortable fact. “Certain assumptions are necessary as a rational starting point.” Indeed, as C.S. Lewis said in the Abolition of Man, “You cannot go on ‘seeing through’ things for ever. The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it . . . It is no use trying to ‘see through’ first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent . . . To ‘see through’ all things is the same as not to see.” Magnan writes: “You need to explain that “Intelligent Design” is most definitely not Biblical creationism, but is the scientific theory that some form of intelligence is behind evolution.” I agree. Perhaps I assumed that Mr. X would already understand what ID is, but that is a risky assumption given the desperate lengths our opponents go to in order to conflate ID with creationism. I would not, however, define ID in the way you do. I would define ID as the theory that some aspects of living things are best explained as the result of intelligent agency.BarryA
October 2, 2007
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Hi, I am new to the blog, not new to Intelligent Design. However, in reference to Behe's Irreducible Complexity I believe that even if a biological feature is reducible and still functions (efficiently or not), then it indicates more design then previously thought. Redundancy is a major part of any design, to correct errors such, one example in networks: when information or data is transmitted there is a CRC or field Checksum field header attached to the data packet so that if an error occurs, its re-sent etc...the number in the header would have to match the data size that was sent. Many biological features are irreducibly complex (ie: the bacterial flagellum), but even if they are reducible and still function, in my mind that would indicate tremendous more amount of specified information to include redundancy application.godslanguage
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DAWKINS' BLUNDER Richard Dawkins: It is as though the vault's door were to open another chink every time the number on the dials moved a little closer to the winning number. I'm labeling this "Dawkins' Blunder," because he has offered a perfect example of irreducible complexity in an attempt to defend Darwinian gradualism. The fact of the matter is that the vault's door does not open another chink every time a number on the dial moves a little closer to the lock's combination. The vault's door does absolutely nothing until all the numbers are exactly correct, and are entered in an exactly correct sequence. A professor of the public understanding of science should have been able to figure this out, one would think.GilDodgen
October 2, 2007
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I forgot to include this comment in my last post: Concerning the problem to Darwinism of complex specified information you say: "Darwinists attempt to explain this complex information by resorting to the “numerous monkeys typing” randomness. In other words, the theory goes, if you have enough monkeys pounding on enough typewriters, sooner or later they will pound out the works of Shakespeare." I know what you mean, but for the purpose of answering this French student this is incomplete. The Darwinists of course claim it is actually the combination of random genetic change and natural selection that rescues the process from pure randomness (and no increase in complexity). Natural selection is supposed to give evolution the magic creative and apparently directional touch. Dembski and Behe recognize natural selection as a real force, but show it to be ultimately trivial and even tautological.magnan
October 2, 2007
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Thank you for allowing me to repost. http://professorsmith.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/what-id-is-all-about/professorsmith
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[...] 3rd, 2007 · No Comments At Uncommon Descent, Barry A gives us a great post on what ID is really about.  [...]What ID is All About « Professor Smith’s Weblog
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Thank you for all of the comments. I give blanket approval to link to any of my posts. I'm going to chew on some of these and respond later.BarryA
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Very good, Barry. I would just make a couple of clarifications. Most important, you don't actually define ID, so you still leave this open to misunderstanding and distortion since it isn't clear that this is rigorously understood by the French writer of the email. You need to explain that "Intelligent Design" is most definitely not Biblical creationism, but is the scientific theory that some form of intelligence is behind evolution. ID does not dispute evolution as the observed progression of biological forms over hundreds of millions of years. Concerning irreducible complexity: This should probably be defined, perhaps as the intricate organization of a biological structure where all of the parts are required for it to function, and that this quality makes the gradual step-by-step evolution of it (per MET) vanishingly improbable. Concerning the "edge" of evolution: explain that this is where random genetic change + other circumstances + natural law (various versions of MET) fail to account for fundamental innovations and new forms in evolution.magnan
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Good idea Gil, think I'll do the same. (Not that I have a bunch of folks beating a path to my door asking what ID is, but at least I'll be prepared)Jack Golightly
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Excellent comment. When I get emails from someone in foreign country X, I usually assume it's a scam. I may have to check my email a bit more closely from now on for chances to educate others on what ID science really is about. Barry, do you mind if I link to this on my blog?professorsmith
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Barry, I’m going to save this, print it out, and give it to people who ask what ID is all about, and why I’m a proponent of it. The irony is that ID proponents are accused of resorting to pseudo-science, when it is Darwinists who are desperate to prop up an obviously failed hypothesis with illogical speculation (like co-option as an explanation for the origin of the bacterial flagellum), wild, unjustified extrapolation (like bacterial antibiotic resistance explaining the origin of new body plans and cellular information-processing machinery), ignoring or waving away colossally huge probability barriers and the counter evidence of the fossil record, and making up fanciful stories that have no basis in any evidence, just wishful speculation.GilDodgen
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Good thoughts and well stated.Eric Anderson
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