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In a recent post over at Why Evolution Is True, Professor Jerry Coyne repeats the tired old canard that science progresses but theology doesn’t:

When lecturing on their incompatibility, I always mention that although science has progressed enormously in the past few hundred years, theology has not. That is, we know no more about the nature or existence of God than we did in, say, 800 C.E. Hell, theologians aren’t sure whether there’s one god or many gods (as Hindus believe), or a red-horned devil, not to mention more trivial issues like whether the wine and crackers at communion are wholly Jesus’s blood and body (“transubstantiation”) or only partly Jesus’s blood and body (“consubstantiation”). The only “progress” theology has made has been forced upon it by science, which made it abandon time-honored tenets of belief like Adam and Eve, Noah’s Flood, and the Exodus. Theology is like postmodern lit-crit: it wobbles from pole to pole but never arrives anywhere…

One need consider only this: if theology has arrived at “some truth concerning the world,” then that “truth” is flatly denied by adherents of other faiths. There is in fact no unanimity among religions about how many Gods there are, what God is like, what God’s commands are, whether there’s a hell or an after life of any sort, how you get saved, whether you’re reincarnated, and so on. There are, for example, more than 34,000 denominations of Christianity alone, and that doesn’t include all those other religions. And all of them differ not only in claims about the nature of God and how one is saved, but about things like divorce, sex, gay rights, and birth control…

There is, of course, no schism like this in science, which would be pretty much a straight line. There is no Hindu science, no Muslim science, no Catholic science — there’s just science, which does apprehend real truths (albeit, of course, provisional ones), and ones agreed on by scientists of all stripes, faiths, and ethnicities.

First, Coyne is making an apples-and-oranges comparison here. Certain rules of exclusion apply within the scientific community: to borrow one of Coyne’s examples, if you question the scientific truth that the chemical formula for benzene is C6H6, you will be treated as a crank or an ignoramus, and shunned by any self-respecting scientist. The term “theology,” by contrast, is used by Coyne to include religions of all stripes. No-one can get kicked out of Coyne’s “theology” – except by becoming an atheist! So it is hardly surprising that absurd and bizarre opinions continue to proliferate within the field of “theology,” as defined by Coyne.

Second, it would have been fairer of Coyne to compare the scientific enterprise with a religion that possesses (and sometimes wields) the power to excommunicate people whose views are deemed unacceptable – because that is, after all, what the scientific establishment does. Within any given religion, one usually finds that over time, teachings do progress. To see what I mean, try comparing what the Nicene Creed defined about God in 325 A.D. with what the Fourth Lateran Council decreed in 1215 A.D., or for that matter, what the Westminster Confession declared in 1647. Within Judaism, Moses Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Faith, which were drawn up in the 12th century, are now widely accepted by Jews today as a fundamental statement of Jewish belief. One thousand years ago, there was no such common statement.

Third, if one looks at the world’s major religious groups, one finds that the about two-thirds of the 85% of the world’s people belong to one of the three Abrahamic faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Another 15% or so of the world’s religious adherents are Hindus, most of whom believe in one ultimate Divinity, Brahman. (Coyne’s claim that Hindus are polytheists is sheer nonsense.) So if one looks at the consensus view of the majority of the world’s religious adherents, once can discern major shifts in religious opinions over the course of time.

As an example of progress in theology, I’d like to list the following propositions, which are currently accepted by a solid majority of the world’s religious adherents, but which were accepted only by a tiny minority 2,000 years ago, and by almost nobody 3,000 years ago. I invite readers to add to the list as they see fit.

1. There is one God.

2. God does not have a body or bodily passions. God is a spirit.

3. God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipresent. That is, God can do anything within reason; God knows everything in the past, present and future; God is compassionate and all-merciful; and God’s power extends throughout the cosmos.

4. God is infinite.

5. God is immutable. God does not change.

6. God is not capricious.

7. God is the sole Creator and Sustainer of the universe. Everything in the cosmos is upheld by God’s command.

8. God is not a blind force, but a personal Deity. God has a personal relationship with each and every individual.

9. God is just. God rewards the good and punishes the wicked.

10. God is merciful. God is always ready to pardon a repentant sinner.

11. God is impartial. Distinctions of rank, race, sex, color or creed mean nothing to God. All individuals are equal in God’s sight.

12. God disapproves of the deliberate killing of innocent people.

13. God disapproves of infanticide.

14. God disapproves of killing girls.

15. God disapproves of euthanasia. In particular, God disapproves of killing the sick and elderly.

16. God disapproves of suicide.

17. God disapproves of ritual human sacrifices.

18. God disapproves of slavery.

19. God disapproves of domestic violence.

20. God disapproves of child abuse.

21. God disapproves of cruelty to animals.

22. God disapproves of compulsion in matters of religion.

23. God expects us to treat others as we would like them to treat us.

24. God expects us to bury our dead, instead of leaving their corpses lying in the street to be eaten by animals.

25. God expects us to not only be faithful to our spouses, but to love them as well.

26. God expects us to educate our children, both boys and girls.

27. God expects us to be honest and truthful in our dealings with friend and foe alike.

28. God expects us to be kind to strangers.

29. God expects us to help the poor, sick and needy.

30. God expects us to donate money to charity.

31. People who die in a state of friendship with God will enjoy happiness in Heaven with God for all eternity.

32. There will be a future resurrection of the dead and judgment will be pronounced on every human being.

33. God has at various times spoken to the human race through various prophets. God has communicated messages to these prophets, not only about God’s nature, but also about our duties to others.

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Most of the world’s religious people living today believe in the above propositions. The proportion of people who believed in these propositions 3,000, 2,000 or even 1,000 years ago was much smaller than it is now. I’d call that progress. Wouldn’t you?

And now, four questions for Professor Coyne.

First, can you name even ONE scientist who was instrumental in getting large numbers of people to accept any of the ethical propositions listed above?

Second, do scientists have an agreed position on things like “divorce, sex, gay rights, and birth control,” to quote from your own list?

Third, is there a scientific method for reaching agreement on ethical matters?

Fourth, are there any ethical facts? (If I understand Coyne correctly, his answer to the last question is negative.)

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Anti-teleological materialism is a contradiction in terms.Mung
January 28, 2013
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For those interested in the history of the debate between anti-teleological materialism and purposive creationism: Lucretius' On the Nature of Things is indispensable. ("Know thy enemy," if you will.) I read this version but there are many others, including a translation free on-line from the Internet Classics Archive. There are also prose translations -- but why would anyone want to read one of those?Kantian Naturalist
January 28, 2013
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Matzke: Regardless of the differences between Muslims and Christians which are and can be best discussed on other sites elsewhere there is one massively important thing we do share in common and that is that are common foe and enemy from an intellectual point of view is the scourge and falsity of atheistic/materialistic ideologies , scientism and methodological naturalism . U might enjoy the differences between us to your convenience but the belief that we share in a transcendent Creator God of the Universe is vastly and infinitely superior to that .JoeMorreale1187
January 28, 2013
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What Has Athens to Do with Jerusalem?: Timaeus and Genesis in Counterpoint When Athens Met Jerusalem: An Introduction to Classical and Christian ThoughtMung
January 28, 2013
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Matzke:
Too bad the split is so deep between the Christians and Muslims.
What are you supposed to do when someone claims your religious texts are a lie? Find a way to get along? Funny thing about Darwinism, it doesn't matter if it's true. That's science for you!Mung
January 28, 2013
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Did you see how little the theory of gravity changed over the decades? What a worthless theory.Mung
January 28, 2013
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F/N: I think the matter starts before we speak of faith in God. We need to work out the relationship between faith and reason with particular reference to the roots of our worldviews, e.g. here on. Actually, Craig and others speak of a key balance: a reasonable faith, in a context where all worldviews have clusters of first plausibles, i.e faith points, leading to comparative difficulties analysis. Then, we can compare major worldview alternatives and see whether generic theism and then any particular tradition makes sense. KFkairosfocus
January 28, 2013
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Of interest to the "odious William Lane Craig" Upcoming William Lane Craig debate this friday Feb 1 Is Faith in God Reasonable? Debate: Alex Rosenburg vs. William Lane Craig - video You may sign up to watch the live debate for free here http://live.biola.edu/ Overview of debate: What hath Jerusalem to do with Athens? Or what hath faith to do with reason? Drs. William Lane Craig and Alex Rosenberg will debate this all important and pervasive question concerning the reasonableness of faith in God. The nature of the question in this debate is no mere academic matter. The question of God is the most important question. One’s answer to it will impact nearly all other beliefs one holds from common notions of morality to politics and from our interest and investigation of our world to what we take to be our purpose(s) in life. Is “faith” foolish? By this, should it be understood to be blind? Or is it reasonable and, if so, by what measure and to whom is it foolishness? For many, Mark Twain is right on the mark when he said that “Faith is believing something you know ain’t true.” Yet the great thinkers of Judaism and Christianity like Philo, Moses Maimonides, Thomas Aquinas, and John Calvin considered faith to be an extraordinarily important virtue (moral and/or intellectual)! Indeed, it is not only the condition by which salvation is appropriated in these Abrahamic faith traditions (which are taken by insiders to actually be knowledge traditions), but it is the basis for movements from Mother Teresa’s compassion and our concern for the poor to Isaac Newton’s inspiration in science in light of God’s creation of the world and man being made in God’s image. Is faith in God reasonable? Ought we to have faith in God?bornagain77
January 28, 2013
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H'mm:
the odious William Lane Craig
Well poisoning . . . instead of facing the problem tha the leading New Atheist spokesman dares not get int eh same debate-ring with WLC. (And the rest of the cite is little better.) Telling. KFkairosfocus
January 28, 2013
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Wow, that was a devastating critique by Matzke. Might as well just remove this topic from the blog. LoL!Joe
January 28, 2013
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"one finds that the about two-thirds of the 85% of the world’s people belong to one of the three Abrahamic faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam" Eh?? "[A]bout two-thirds of the 85% of the world's people"? The wikipedia article you link to says Christians + Muslims + Jews = ~54% of the world, I guess you're saying 2/3 of the world's religious people... Too bad the split is so deep between the Christians and Muslims....NickMatzke_UD
January 28, 2013
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As to the progress of science being antagonistic to Theism, I wonder which progress of science Coyne has been looking at? To dust my list off: 1. Materialism predicted an eternal universe, Theism predicted a created universe. - Big Bang points to a creation event. - 2. Materialism predicted time had an infinite past, Theism predicted time had a creation. - Time was created in the Big Bang. - 3. Materialism predicted space has always existed, Theism predicted space had a creation (Psalm 89:12) - Space was created in the Big Bang. - 4. Materialism predicted that material has always existed, Theism predicted 'material' (what is seen) was created from that which is unseen. - 'Material' was created in the Big Bang. 5. Materialism predicted at the base of physical reality would be a solid indestructible material particle which rigidly obeyed the rules of time and space, Theism predicted the basis of this reality was created by a infinitely powerful and transcendent Being who is not limited by time and space - Quantum mechanics reveals a wave/particle duality for the basis of our reality which blatantly defies our concepts of time and space. - 6. Materialism predicted that consciousness is a 'emergent property' of material reality and thus has no particular special position within material reality. Theism predicted consciousness preceded material reality and therefore consciousness should have a 'special' position within material reality. Quantum Mechanics reveals that consciousness has a special, even central, position within material reality. - 7. Materialism predicted the rate at which time passed was constant everywhere in the universe, Theism predicted God is eternal and is outside of time - Special Relativity has shown that time, as we understand it, is relative and comes to a complete stop at the speed of light. (Psalm 90:4 - 2 Timothy 1:9) - 8. Materialism predicted the universe did not have life in mind and life was ultimately an accident of time and chance. Theism predicted this universe was purposely created by God with man in mind - Every transcendent universal constant scientists can measure is exquisitely fine-tuned for carbon-based life to exist in this universe. - 9. Materialism predicted complex life in this universe should be fairly common. Theism predicted the earth is extremely unique in this universe - Statistical analysis of the hundreds of required parameters which enable complex life to be possible on earth gives strong indication the earth is extremely unique in this universe. - 10. Materialism predicted much of the DNA code was junk. Theism predicted we are fearfully and wonderfully made - ENCODE research into the DNA has revealed a "biological jungle deeper, denser, and more difficult to penetrate than anyone imagined.". - 11. Materialism predicted a extremely beneficial and flexible mutation rate for DNA which was ultimately responsible for all the diversity and complexity of life we see on earth. Theism predicted only God created life on earth - The mutation rate to DNA is overwhelmingly detrimental. Detrimental to such a point that it is seriously questioned whether there are any truly beneficial mutations whatsoever. (M. Behe; JC Sanford) - 12. Materialism predicted a very simple first life form which accidentally came from "a warm little pond". Theism predicted God created life - The simplest life ever found on Earth is far more complex than any machine man has made through concerted effort. (Michael Denton PhD) - 13. Materialism predicted it took a very long time for life to develop on earth. Theism predicted life to appear abruptly on earth after water appeared on earth (Genesis 1:10-11) - We find evidence for complex photo-synthetic life in the oldest sedimentary rocks ever found on earth - 14. Materialism predicted the gradual unfolding of life to be self-evident in the fossil record. Theism predicted complex and diverse life to appear abruptly in the seas in God's fifth day of creation. - The Cambrian Explosion shows a sudden appearance of many different and completely unique fossils within a very short "geologic resolution time" in the Cambrian seas. - 15. Materialism predicted there should be numerous transitional fossils found in the fossil record, Theism predicted sudden appearance and rapid diversity within different kinds found in the fossil record - Fossils are consistently characterized by sudden appearance of a group/kind in the fossil record, then rapid diversity within the group/kind, and then long term stability and even deterioration of variety within the overall group/kind, and within the specific species of the kind, over long periods of time. Of the few dozen or so fossils claimed as transitional, not one is uncontested as a true example of transition between major animal forms out of millions of collected fossils. - 16. Materialism predicted animal speciation should happen on a somewhat constant basis on earth. Theism predicted man was the last species created on earth - Man himself is the last generally accepted major fossil form to have suddenly appeared in the fossil record. - Since most of these are fairly recent findings which are due to the 'progress of science', I certainly see no conflict between the progress of science and Theism.bornagain77
January 27, 2013
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I wonder if next Coyne will be complaining about the lack of progress in arithmetic. By the way, how does one measure the "progress" of either science or religion? Scientifically, I mean.Mung
January 27, 2013
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There are few things on that list I agree with, but then i never claimed to be in the theistic majority. I don't think "disapproval" or "punishment" are terms I'd apply to God, which would conflict with many things on that list.William J Murray
January 27, 2013
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I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a little boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. - Isaac Newton
Far be it from today's "scientists" to know humility, eh Mr. Coyne?Mung
January 27, 2013
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The Dutchman Hans Lippershey invented the telescope in 1608. He owed his "aha" moment, at least according to legend, to children playing with lenses in his shop, where he made spectacles. (The Wonder of the Universe)
So, science apparently proceeds from childish activity. Out of the mouths of babes, Dr. Coyne.Mung
January 27, 2013
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I take issue with Coyne's comment here: "The only “progress” theology has made has been forced upon it by science..." Has Coyne ever considered that the Bible makes mention of scientific facts? And that these facts were recorded hundreds, even thousands of years, before scientific progress caught up to what God had recorded in his Word? When the Bible was being written, many people believed that various gods inhabited the world and that those gods, not natural laws, controlled the sun, the moon, the weather, fertility, and so on. Those who believed in the one true God knew this: the true God revealed to them that he governs the universe by precise laws, or statutes. For example, more than 3,500 years ago, God asked his servant Job: “Have you come to know the statutes of the heavens?” (Job 38:33) In the seventh century B.C.E., the prophet Jeremiah wrote about “the statutes of heaven and earth.”—Jeremiah 33:25. So the universe is not governed by deities, but by rational laws. Consider also: the earth is suspended in space. “He is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing.”—Job 26:7, stated about 1613 B.C.E. And: the earth is round. “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.”—Isaiah 40:22, written about 732 B.C.E. Furthermore, water moves in a cycle. “All the winter torrents are going forth to the sea . . . To the place where the winter torrents are going forth, there they are returning so as to go forth.”—Ecclesiastes 1:7, written before 1,000 B.C.E. Tell me, Professor Coyne, when did science note that the earth was round, or note the water cycle's existence, or the physical laws of the heavens? Was it before the Bible was written? No? Then where exactly are you getting this (mis)information that science forces theology to progress, when the facts clearly show otherwise?Barb
January 27, 2013
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Precisely, JDH. But scientism is even below that, since its acolytes still cling to the brutish, metaphysical misapprehensions which mechanistic physics gave rise to in the minds of the atheistically-inclined; while, to earn their living, the latter today parasitically attach themselves to quantum mechanics, recently empirically proved to be the ultimate paradigm, which cannot be improved upon. As BA pointed out, the fact that it deals with particles proper to a reference-frame outside space-time, doesn't phase them one bit. Well, when nothing can turn itself into everything, what could possibly surprise them. Oh. There is one thing: the quixotically unpredictable behaviour of Evomalution, the ultimate 'garbage in - garbage out' hypothesis. A never-ending pageant of Forrest Gump chocolate surprises, unfortunately found to have melted down and become slightly decayed.Axel
January 27, 2013
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The real score: 1. Science progresses in actually giving answers to a few very easy questions. ( That extremely small set answerable by controlled repeatable experiments ). 2. Theology answers the questions that science can't even approach.JDH
January 27, 2013
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...too many qualifying adjectives for a scientis forum}msnyder
January 27, 2013
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At the end of the day the scientific evidence has not disproven the Adam and Eve pbut of scripture simple because it has not been proven that humans descended from chimp ancestors so Jerry Coyne's odious arrogance is in vain. The Quran makes it clear that the great Flood was regional and not Global and therefore does not contradict the archeological evidence that has shown for eg that Egyptian dynasty or kingdom of the time was not interrupted which logically it would have had the flood been global. If one visits the Cairo museum they will find the Pharoe of Moses pbuh time that God promised his body would be preserved as a SIGN to mankind which shows that the story of Moses , the exodus and parting of the sea happened.JoeMorreale1187
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You have to love how the global flood now took place before the earth was created. Even Young Earth Creationism is evolving!Mung
January 27, 2013
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Oh, so now Alan wants evidence.Mung
January 27, 2013
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Coyne is so freaking ignorant. It's pathetic really. I bet he's never even heard the term "progressive revelation." "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
...J. P. Moreland ... who has collaborated with the odious William Lane Craig ...
lolzMung
January 27, 2013
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I´d like to add that theology helps science development!. If you want to go slow in science think as an evolutionist, think that 80% of human genoma es trash...msnyder
January 27, 2013
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Someone must have spiked my cup of tea! That acronym should have been NTIIE: Nothing Turning Itself Into Everything!Axel
January 27, 2013
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No, we do tend to be a wild lot. Both sexual persuasions. We'll leave out the third fourth, fifth, etc, persuasions. But forget the drug business. You'd both already be high on ETIIN* And I wouldn't mind betting Greg is your pusher! *Everything Turning Itself Into Nothing.Axel
January 27, 2013
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Don't wait until Trinity Sunday, Gerald. And take Sean with you. He's been a bad boy, too. If you have to dragoon him by drugging him, so be it. A few slaps by a parish nun should bring him round and make him sit up. No need for hard, Tridentine slaps; just a few slaps hard enough to make him sit up and be a good Catholic boy. Well, we are over-represented in the prison population in the UK, but I expect that's the missionary spirit involved, as well.Axel
January 27, 2013
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Truth does not change. Revelation is truth. How many times does God have to speak it? Human reasoning of our observations is subject to revision. It can be reversed at a moments notice. Revelation cannot be pruned back but our understanding gets fuller.buffalo
January 27, 2013
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High time you went to Confession, Gerald.Axel
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