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Gotta hand it to him: This is pretty risky in the age of non-binary. Harry Potter author J. K Rowlings got cancelled for saying that being a woman matters: And so now:

The Sunday Times condensed my words into the headline that I have adopted for this piece: Race is a spectrum. Sex is pretty damn binary. Unlike my wombat conjecture, this point really is childishly obvious. When a female and a male mate, each offspring is either female or male, extremely seldom a hermaphrodite or intersex of any kind. [2] Arusha really was a cow, not a half-way bull. But her intermediate colouring made us suspect that this “pedigree Jersey” was actually half Ayrshire—an artificial insemination screw-up. When two people of different races mate, their offspring is of mixed race and this shows itself in many ways, including skin colour. After generations of intermarriage, beginning with the exploitation of enslaved women and girls, African Americans constitute a rich spectrum such that some individuals, when required to tick the “race or ethnicity” box on official forms, might justifiably feel free to “identify as” whatever they choose.

Meghan (née Markle), Duchess of Sussex

The Duchess of Sussex identifies as “mixed race” but is frequently referred to in the press as black. Barack Obama sees himself (and is commonly described) as black although, having one white parent, he might equally well tick the white box. The “one-drop rule,” once enshrined in the laws of some segregationist states, asserted that one drop of African “blood” was enough to make a person count as black—thus making blackness the cultural equivalent of a genetic dominant. It never worked in reverse, and it still exerts a powerful hold on American discourse—while “African Americans” actually run a smooth gamut from those of pure African descent to those with perhaps one African great great grandparent. Were race not a spectrum, Rachel Dolezal’s critics should have spotted that she wasn’t “really” black, simply by taking one look at her. It’s precisely because black Americans are a spectrum that it wasn’t obvious. With negligible exceptions, on the other hand, you can unwaveringly identify a person’s sex at a glance, especially if they remove their clothes. Sex is pretty damn binary.

Richard Dawkins, “Race Is a Spectrum. Sex Is Pretty Damn Binary.” at Areo Magazine (January 5, 2022)

Dawkins is walking a road here. He’s interfering with a scam. Where people get rights or don’t get them based on “race” or claims about non-binary sex. Better wish him luck.

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The other question is, what role does Evolution play in a sudden expansion of genders? Survival advantage? Random mutations? Extinction? Andrewasauber
January 7, 2022
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I am all for freedom. Indeed it is none of my business as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else. However, Fasteddious #20 raises some alarming issues. Perhaps certain rules need to be reconsidered. The other day I read a news story about a male serial killer who targeted women, claiming to have killed nine, who is now housed in a women’s prison after being transgender.Origenes
January 7, 2022
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JS, Southern Poverty Law Center? Really??? They are far from a neutral arbiter of anything political, but are about as far left as you can get.
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered - 2019 After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/ The Southern Poverty Law Center vs. Prager University - June 19, 2018 "Antifa” is to violence what the Southern Poverty Law Center is to words. In short, it is a hate group on the left. The SPLC smears individuals and groups it differs with by labeling them as some form of “hater”: “racist,” “white supremacist,” “extremist,” and the like. That it is cited and even relied upon by the New York Times, Facebook, Amazon, Google, CNN, and others, and that Apple gave the organization a million dollars, is testimony to the moral state of mainstream media and corporate culture in America today.,, https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/southern-policy-law-center-hate-group-liberals/
Moreover, one of the papers I cited is fairly heavily referenced, so the accuracy of their claims can be easily checked if you so desire.
The Transgender Movement and ‘Gender Identity’ in the Law By Peter Sprigg Senior Fellow for Policy Studies https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF16B28.pdf
bornagain77
January 7, 2022
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Transgender people are free to dress and act as they please. They are not free to force the rest of us to accommodate their proclivities and abide by their wishes. They want to use cross-sex facilities, which confuses, embarrasses and sometimes endangers other users. They want us to know and use their "pronouns", they want to retroactively change their legal documents. They want (and now have) full support from government, schools, businesses, courts, and of course, the media for their delusions. Worse, they and their useful idiots are grooming youth and young children, confusing them about their own sex, in order to draw them into their transgenderism. This confuses children (and adults), alienates some children from their parents, leads to the use of dangerous medications to prevent puberty or block hormones, and eventually, to surgery that renders them sterile, and subject to future health problems. That is simply child abuse, and I have said before that a few years from now there will be a legal backlash (i.e. major lawsuits) by people sucked into this insanity, against the doctors, lawyers, schools, governments, etc. that talked them into becoming trans. Finally, these people want everyone else to pay for their drugs, surgeries, etc. All that is how they hurt others, including impressionable children. By tolerating and supporting all this, we are enabling serious mental illness and the growing chaos. My rant for today!Fasteddious
January 7, 2022
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Asauber points it out above, but this cuts to the heart of the issue: Who gets to decide whether harm is being done?
If harm is so difficult to detect, perhaps the best course is to assume no harm. The benefit of the doubt should be in favor of freedom.Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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Joe assumes that there is no harm in transgender”ism”. He is wrong in his assumption.
Referencing an anti-gay activist from an organization declared an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center isn’t exactly a credible reference. But I didn’t assume anything. I just said that if they do no harm to others that they have the freedom to act as they choose.Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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Asauber points it out above, but this cuts to the heart of the issue: Who gets to decide whether harm is being done? In a liberal time, those wanting to expand the range of allowed behaviors say they should get to decide this. And, just like the debate over where morality comes from, this one could launch another 1000-thread discussion...EDTA
January 7, 2022
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Joe assumes that there is no harm in transgender"ism". He is wrong in his assumption.
The Transgender Movement and 'Gender Identity' in the Law By Peter Sprigg Senior Fellow for Policy Studies Causes and Treatment of “Gender Dysphoria” While causality is difficult to determine, those who identify as transgender are more likely to have been victims of child sexual abuse or to have a history of trauma, loss, and family disruption.[vii] Susan Bradley, M.D. and Kenneth J. Zucker of the University of Toronto, leading experts in gender dysphoria in children, have declared that “clinicians should be optimistic, not nihilistic, about the possibility of helping the children to become more secure in their gender identity.”[viii] Psychiatrists have reported that gender dysphoria often occurs with other mental health problems in adults, and that it “improved in parallel during treatment” for those conditions.[ix] “Gender Reassignment” Surgery Full transition involves hormone treatments, breast surgery (removal or implants), other cosmetic surgery, genital reconstruction, and a change of personal identification. However, not every person seeking to live as the other sex will undergo surgery.[x] These surgical procedures are not always successful and can be extremely painful.[xi] A lifetime of hormone treatments can also have profound physical and psychological consequences.[xii] Psychiatrist Jon Meyer concluded that “surgery is not a proper treatment for a psychiatric disorder and it is clear to me that these patients have severe psychological problems that do not go away following surgery.”[xiii] High rates of suicide exist even among those who have already received gender reassignment surgery, which suggests that suicidal tendencies result from an underlying pathology.[xiv] https://www.frc.org/transgenderidentity Click here to read the entire paper https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF16B28.pdf A Pediatrician Explains How ‘Dangerous’ Equality Act Would Force Doctors to ‘Do Harm’ – May 10, 2019 Excerpt: Doctors who are uncomfortable prescribing hormone treatments or doing gender reassignment surgeries could soon potentially be in violation of federal law, warns Dr. Michelle Cretella, a pediatrician and executive director of the American College of Pediatricians. And they’re not the only ones at risk: Parents, too, could find themselves unable to decide on their own child’s medical treatment. Read our interview with Cretella, posted below, or listen to it on the podcast: https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/10/a-pediatrician-explains-how-dangerous-equality-act-would-force-doctors-to-do-harm/ Changing the concept of “woman” will cause unintended harms - 2018 There are more things to consider than some trans activists would have you believe, argues Kathleen Stock, an academic https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/06/changing-the-concept-of-woman-will-cause-unintended-harms
bornagain77
January 7, 2022
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Should I be able to curse at a judge in a courtroom? What harm does it cause?
If allowed it would undermine the justice system, which harms everyone.Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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You are dodging the question. It’s obvious what they prefer. Why do they prefer the pretense and not the reality?
I don’t know. And I don’t care.
How did you determine they aren’t doing themselves harm or someone else harm?
Are you suggesting that we should ban everything that can possibly cause harm to themselves? With respect to harm to others, we would eventually see it.Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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Joe Schooner: You don’t have to like another person’s choices, but if no harm is being done, you have to support it if you truly believe in freedom. How do you define harm? If society allows people to openly dress in a manner that conflicts with their gender, then how will affect young boys and girls? If this confuses even a small proportion of our young and then produces long-term emotional difficulties, which could have otherwise been avoided, is this "harmful"? I sure think so. Should I be able to curse at a judge in a courtroom? What harm does it cause? By your logic, I should be free to do this. But this isn't permitted. So, why isn't it allowed?PaV
January 7, 2022
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JS “The point being made is that as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else, what does it matter?” Ask the UPenn's woman’s swimming team. I am an advocate for women’s rights if biological men who think they are woman are continued to be allowed in woman’s sports it will destroy title 9.which woman fought so hard to get passed. For the record I hope that biological men who think they are a women inundate women sports that is the only hope that we have IMO to return to some sanity. Vividvividbleau
January 7, 2022
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"as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else, what does it matter?" And all the girls forced to compete against biological males who pretend that they are girls said Amen.
Transgender athletes don't belong in girls' sports. Let my daughter compete fairly. If boys identifying as girls left your daughter a spectator in her own sport, wouldn't you speak up? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/06/19/transgender-athletes-robbing-girls-chance-win-sports-column/4856486002/ “,,, sex is binary. Nobody denies this.” - Joe Schooner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh5C6WYl7Y
bornagain77
January 7, 2022
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People are different. Some prefer to dress differently. But those rare genuine intersex types (to the extent that we can extrapolate from the small sample) prefer to live as binary. I was halfway acquainted with one of them, who was a student in a department where I worked as a technician. He was just an ordinary male, not at all 'in-betweenish'. If you didn't know anything about him you wouldn't spot him as unusual.polistra
January 7, 2022
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'you can only speculate about what they believe and what they prefer" JS, You are dodging the question. It's obvious what they prefer. Why do they prefer the pretense and not the reality? "as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else" How did you determine they aren't doing themselves harm or someone else harm? Andrewasauber
January 7, 2022
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So they know they are pretending to be something they are not. Why, in your opinion, would they do that?
Unless you are transgender, transvestite, gay, etc. you can only speculate about what they believe and what they prefer. The point being made is that as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else, what does it matter?Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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I don't mean to be rude but it's been more that 48 hours since I've been allowed to post to another thread: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/if-math-is-a-reality-atheism-is-dead/#comments I keep getting a site generate 403 error. Do any of the site admins care? Oh, right, I can post to this thread. That means someone has chosen to restrict access to the other thread. Will anything happen about this? Probably not.JVL
January 7, 2022
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"people who prefer to dress and live as the opposite sex" JS, So they know they are pretending to be something they are not. Why, in your opinion, would they do that? Andrewasauber
January 7, 2022
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Joe Schooner, ",,, sex is binary. Nobody denies this." Have you been living under a rock?
Transgender Ideology Is Riddled With Contradictions. Here Are the Big Ones. - Feb 9th, 2018 Excerpt: People say that we live in a postmodern age that has rejected metaphysics. That’s not quite true. We live in a postmodern age that promotes an alternative metaphysics. As I explain in “When Harry Became Sally,” at the heart of the transgender moment are radical ideas about the human person—in particular, that people are what they claim to be, regardless of contrary evidence. A transgender boy is a boy, not merely a girl who identifies as a boy.,,, https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/transgender-ideology-riddled-contradictions-here-are-the-big-ones Biology Lecturer’s Comments on Biological Sex Draw Backlash - August 12, 2021 Excerpt: Human Evolutionary Biology lecturer Carole K. Hooven’s comments on a Fox News show last month maintaining the existence of two sexes and defending the usage of the terms “male” and “female” to refer to biological sex in medical classes sparked backlash on social media and within the department, with some arguing Hooven’s remarks set back Harvard and the department’s diversity and inclusion efforts.,,, https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/8/11/biology-lecturer-gender-comments-backlash/ etc.. etc.. etc... GEICO-What do u live under a rock??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh5C6WYl7Y
Of related note:
Born gay or transgender: Little evidence to support innate trait, Wednesday, August 24, 2016 Excerpt: "a report finds scarce scientific evidence to conclude that gay and transgender people are “born that way. The 143-page paper, published this week in The New Atlantis journal, combs through hundreds of studies in search of a causal, biological explanation for sexual orientation and gender identity, but comes up empty. “The belief that sexual orientation is an innate, biologically fixed human property — that people are ‘born that way’ — is not supported by scientific evidence,” says the report, written by a psychiatrist and a biostatistician at Johns Hopkins University. “Likewise, the belief that gender identity is an innate, fixed human property independent of biological sex — so that a person might be a ‘man trapped in a woman’s body’ or a ‘woman trapped in a man’s body’ — is not supported by scientific evidence,”" http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/24/born-gay-transgender-lacks-science-evidence/ The genetic difference between men and women,,, - 06 Nov 2017 Excerpt: a full third of our genome is behaving very differently in men and women. These new data pose challenges for science, medicine and maybe even gender equity. The human genome Men and women have practically the same set of about 20,000 genes.,,, They found that about one third of these genes (more than 6,500) had very different activities in men and women. Some genes were active in men only or women only. Many genes were far more active in one sex or the other. A few of these genes showed sex biased activity in every tissue of the body. More commonly, the difference was seen in one or a few tissues. Most of these genes were not on sex chromosomes: only a few lay on the Y or the X. How could a third of our genes be differently controlled in men and women? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/throughout-our-bodies-thousands-of-genes-act-differently-in-men-and-women How Men's Brains Are Wired Differently than Women's Male brains have more connections within hemispheres to optimize motor skills, whereas female brains are more connected between hemispheres to combine analytical and intuitive thinking By Tanya Lewis, December 2, 2013 Excerpt: "On average, men connect front to back [parts of the brain] more strongly than women," whereas "women have stronger connections left to right," said study leader Ragini Verma, an associate professor,,, https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than-women/
bornagain77
January 7, 2022
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Where is the risk about saying that sex is binary. Nobody denies this. Where people get into trouble is when they try to use this fact to impose restrictions on people who prefer to dress and live as the opposite sex. If a person's actions don't harm anyone else, they are free to do what they will. That is what freedom is about. You don't have to like another person's choices, but if no harm is being done, you have to support it if you truly believe in freedom.Joe Schooner
January 7, 2022
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Too funny, Dawkins is savvy enough to know that "Sex is pretty damn binary", but apparently he is not savvy enough to know that he actually exists as a real person, and that he is not a 'neuronal illusion'.
At the 23:33 minute mark of the following video, Richard Dawkins agrees with materialistic philosophers who say that: “consciousness is an illusion” A few minutes later Rowan Williams asks Dawkins ”If consciousness is an illusion…what isn’t?”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWN4cfh1Fac&t=22m57s Atheistic Materialism – Does Richard Dawkins Exist? Dr. Dennis Bonnette – video 37:51 minute mark Quote: “It turns out that if every part of you, down to sub-atomic parts, are still what they were when they weren’t in you, in other words every ion,,, every single atom that was in the universe, that has now become part of your living body, is still what is was originally. It hasn’t undergone what metaphysicians call a ‘substantial change’. So you aren’t Richard Dawkins. You are just carbon and neon and sulfur and oxygen and all these individual atoms still. You can spout a philosophy that says scientific materialism, but there aren’t any scientific materialists to pronounce it.,,, That’s why I think they find it kind of embarrassing to talk that way. Nobody wants to stand up there and say, “You know, I’m not really here”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCnzq2yTCg&t=37m51s Jay Richards: “Oddly, the scientific materialist has to deny the existence of scientists.” Sam Harris (a scientific materialist): “The self is an illusion.” – Michael Egnor Demolishes the Myth of Materialism (Science Uprising EP1) https://youtu.be/Fv3c7DWuqpM?t=267 – Naturalism requires us to believe that our minds are an illusion. But, as neurosurgeon Michael Egnor says, “if your hypothesis is that the mind is an illusion, then you don’t have a hypothesis.” https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/hush-the-universe-is-learning/ The Confidence of Jerry Coyne – Ross Douthat – January 6, 2014 Excerpt: But then halfway through this peroration, we have as an aside the confession (by Coyne) that yes, okay, it’s quite possible given materialist premises that “our sense of self is a neuronal illusion.” At which point the entire edifice suddenly looks terribly wobbly — because who, exactly, is doing all of this forging and shaping and purpose-creating if Jerry Coyne, as I understand him (and I assume he understands himself) quite possibly does not actually exist at all? The theme of his argument is the crucial importance of human agency under eliminative materialism, but if under materialist premises the actual agent is quite possibly a fiction, then who exactly is this I who “reads” and “learns” and “teaches,” and why in the universe’s name should my illusory self believe Coyne’s bold proclamation that his illusory self’s purposes are somehow “real” and worthy of devotion and pursuit? (Let alone that they’re morally significant: But more on that below.) Prometheus cannot be at once unbound and unreal; the human will cannot be simultaneously triumphant and imaginary. https://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/the-confidence-of-jerry-coyne/?mcubz=3
Quote and Verse:
"I think, therefore I am" - Rene Descartes - per wikipedia, The Latin cogito, ergo sum, usually translated into English as "I think, therefore I am",[a] is the "first principle" of René Descartes's philosophy. Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I Am Who I Am”; and He said, “You shall say this to the Israelites, ‘I Am has sent me to you.’”
bornagain77
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Stating the obvious is risky. This is where we are in the TheresNoTruth age. Andrewasauber
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Well, the one-drop rule doesn't still exert a hold on American thinking. It never did. It was an extreme reaction to Lincoln's extreme genocide. But that's a typical British misunderstanding of America, not a modern 'woke' thing. We can't grasp the real British views on nobility and caste, and they can't grasp our real views on race. His basic point is valid and expressed with admirable clarity.polistra
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