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Readers may recall that Steve Fuller is a University of Warwick sociologist who has studied ID as a movement in science and said some insightful things. In response to Nathaniel Comfort’s recent essay against “scientism,” Fuller noted in a letter to Nature:

In my view, it is a misuse of history to oversee the future. What counts as good and bad in scientific practice or in science-based policies can be understood only in retrospect, because our judgement depends on witnessing the consequences. As we move forward in history, those judgements will change. It follows that the moral character of any action is indeterminate at the time it happens. Science itself is a quantum phenomenon — and ‘scientism’ is its observer effect.

Steve Fuller, “Science is a quantum phenomenon — ‘scientism’ is its observer effect” at Nature
Rob Sheldon, our physics color commentator and author of Genesis: The Long Ascent and The Long Ascent, Volume II, weighs in,

The Long Ascent, Volume 2

Steve Fuller is a historian of science, and as such, takes umbrage when others redefine the technical terms in his field. It makes it rather difficult to discuss the history of ideas, if the words constantly mutate, and this is what he is objecting to in his comment. The word “scientism” is older than 1979, and has had a rather defined meaning over the years. I would further add that the word carries its pejorative connotation because it says that the perpetrator of “scientism” has made science and/or the practice of science into an “-ism” by being ideological, and hence, irrational.

Fuller’s short comment is illuminated by their respective biographies.

Nathaniel Comfort, a BS in marine biology at Berkeley in 1985 but PhD in history from SUNY in 1997, is now a historian of biology at Johns Hopkins.

Steve Fuller, a BS in history at Columbia in 1979 and a PhD in the “history and philosophy of science” at Pittsburgh in 1985, is currently a professor of sociology and social policy at the University of Durham.

The first thing to notice is that Comfort got his history degree some 12 years after Fuller, which may account for their differing definitions.

A second thing is that Fuller has been in the field of history all his career, whereas Comfort moved from biology to history. Which is to say, that Comfort imbibed Methodological Naturalism long before he had a word to describe it, whereas Fuller learned the word before he encountered it.

And finally, a third thing that is now becoming more of a nuance, is that Comfort did all his history work in trendy North-East schools where Derrida is name-dropped in every lecture, whereas Fuller moved from a BS at a trendy NE school to a PhD at Pittsburgh (rather more gritty) and now is a prof at a prestigious British school (where Derrida is French, after all.)

So when Comfort launches into his “scientism” = bourgois-Derrida-racist-reductionism rant, he expects applause from his peers, whereas Fuller is quite annoyed. Not only does Comfort destroy the previous meaning of the word, but he hijacks it for a jeremiad against racist science masquerading as cognition research. That is, he glomms onto one of the great mysteries of materialist science—the sense of self—and proceeds to vivisect research programmes with self-righteous post-Modern ridicule.

Now I may be reading into Fuller’s short rebuttal, but I sense that Fuller detests post-Moderns because even when they have a valid point, they abuse it so shamefully that one hesitates to even agree, lest one be found complicit in the damage. Post-modernists, which Comfort seems to identify with, have a valid point about scientism’s ideological foundation on MN, but rather than rationally correct the error, as Phillip Johnson spent 29 years doing, they treat it as an ethical lapse justifying their own ideological, irrational behavior.


See also: Nathaniel Comfort, Fresh Off An Op-Ed In Nature, Skewers Pop Darwinian Steven Pinker

and

Is there life Post-Truth? (a review of Fuller’s recent book)

Comments
This seems to be a very strange statement for a historian of science to make:
In my view, it is a misuse of history to oversee the future. What counts as good and bad in scientific practice or in science-based policies can be understood only in retrospect, because our judgement depends on witnessing the consequences. As we move forward in history, those judgements will change. It follows that the moral character of any action is indeterminate at the time it happens. - Steve Fuller
Contrary to what Steve Fuller may believe, it is easy to see that any scientific practice, such as methodological naturalism and/or reductive materialism, that presupposes the non-existence of God, is going to have horrid moral consequences for man in the future. As Adam Sedgewick warned Charles Darwin himself, ""There is a moral or metaphysical part of nature as well as a physical. A man who denies this is deep in the mire of folly.... Were it possible (which thank God it is not) to break it, humanity in my mind, would suffer a damage that might brutalize it—& sink the human race into a lower grade of degradation than any into which it has fallen since its written records tell us of its history.,,,"
From Adam Sedgwick – 24 November 1859 Cambridge My dear Darwin, Excerpt: "There is a moral or metaphysical part of nature as well as a physical. A man who denies this is deep in the mire of folly. Tis the crown & glory of organic science that it does thro’ final cause , link material to moral; & yet does not allow us to mingle them in our first conception of laws, & our classification of such laws whether we consider one side of nature or the other— You have ignored this link; &, if I do not mistake your meaning, you have done your best in one or two pregnant cases to break it. Were it possible (which thank God it is not) to break it, humanity in my mind, would suffer a damage that might brutalize it—& sink the human race into a lower grade of degradation than any into which it has fallen since its written records tell us of its history.,,, https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/DCP-LETT-2548.xml
Shoot, even Charles Darwin himself foresaw the horrid moral consequences of his own theory,
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked (18. ‘Anthropological Review,’ April 1867, p. 236.), will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. – Charles Darwin
Why Darwin did not recoil in horror at the devastating moral implications of his own theory, and reject his theory right on the spot, I have no idea. Indeed even Heinrich Heine, in 1831, poetically prophesied what would happen to Germany, and to the world at large, if the 'moral restraint' of Christianity were removed from Germany:
The 1831 'prophecy' of Heinrich Heine: "Christianity — and that is its greatest merit — has somewhat mitigated that brutal German love of war, but it could not destroy it. Should that subduing talisman, the cross, be shattered the frenzied madness of the ancient warriors, that insane Berserk rage of which Nordic bards have spoken and sung so often, will once more burst into flame. … The old stone gods will then rise from long ruins and rub the dust of a thousand years from their eyes, and Thor will leap to life with his giant hammer and smash the Gothic cathedrals. … … Do not smile at my advice — the advice of a dreamer who warns you against Kantians, Fichteans, and philosophers of nature. Do not smile at the visionary who anticipates the same revolution in the realm of the visible as has taken place in the spiritual. Thought precedes action as lightning precedes thunder. German thunder … comes rolling somewhat slowly, but … its crash … will be unlike anything before in the history of the world. … At that uproar the eagles of the air will drop dead, and lions in farthest Africa will draw in their tails and slink away. … A play will be performed in Germany which will make the French Revolution look like an innocent idyll." - Heinrich Heine - Religion and Philosophy in Germany, 1831
Thus, it is easy to see, contrary to what Steve Fuller may believe, that any scientific practice, such as methodological naturalism and/or reductive materialism, that presupposes the non-existence of God, is going to have horrid moral consequences for man. As Albert Einstein himself noted, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind,,"
"Conflicts between science and religion have all sprung from fatal errors. Even though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other, there are strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies ... science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind ... a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist." - Albert Einstein https://books.google.com/books?id=k0pLAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA149
Moreover, Einstein's observation that "Conflicts between science and religion have all sprung from fatal errors" is far truer that Einstein apparently realized at the time he wrote that statement. The widespread presupposition within science, i.e. that methodological naturalism and/or reductive materialism is the supposed 'ground rule' for doing science, itself is based on a lie, i.e. on a 'fatal error'. Contrary to what many people have been falsely led to believe about Intelligent Design being a pseudo-science, the fact of the matter is that all of science, every nook and cranny of it, is based on the presupposition of intelligent design and is certainly not based on the presupposition of methodological naturalism. From the essential Christian presuppositions that undergird the founding of modern science itself, (namely that the universe is rational and that the minds of men, being made in the ‘image of God’, can dare understand that rationality), to the intelligent design of the scientific instruments and experiments themselves, to the logical and mathematical analysis of experimental results themselves, from top to bottom, science itself is certainly not to be considered a ‘natural’ endeavor of man. Not one scientific instrument would ever exist if men did not first intelligently design that scientific instrument. Not one test tube, microscope, telescope, spectroscope, or etc.. etc.., was ever found just laying around on a beach somewhere which was ‘naturally’ constructed by nature. Not one experimental result would ever be rationally analyzed since there would be no immaterial minds to rationally analyze the immaterial logic and immaterial mathematics that lay behind the intelligently designed experiments in the first place. Moreover, although the Darwinist firmly believes he is on the terra firma of science, (in his appeal, even demand, for methodological naturalism), the fact of the matter is that Darwinists are adrift in an ocean of fantasy and imagination with no discernible anchor for reality to grab on to:
Basically, because of reductive materialism (and/or methodological naturalism), the atheistic materialist is forced to claim that he is merely a ‘neuronal illusion’ (Coyne, Dennett, etc..), who has the illusion of free will (Harris), who has unreliable, (i.e. illusory), beliefs about reality (Plantinga), who has illusory perceptions of reality (Hoffman), who, since he has no real time empirical evidence substantiating his grandiose claims, must make up illusory “just so stories” with the illusory, and impotent, ‘designer substitute’ of natural selection (Behe, Gould, Sternberg), so as to ‘explain away’ the appearance (i.e. illusion) of design (Crick, Dawkins), and who must make up illusory meanings and purposes for his life since the reality of the nihilism inherent in his atheistic worldview is too much for him to bear (Weikart), and who must also hold morality to be subjective and illusory since he has rejected God (Craig, Kreeft). Who, since beauty cannot be grounded within his materialistic worldview, must hold beauty itself to be illusory. Bottom line, nothing is truly real in the atheist’s worldview, least of all, beauty, morality, meaning and purposes for life.,,, - Darwinian Materialism and/or Methodological Naturalism vs. Reality – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaksmYceRXM
Thus again, although the Darwinian Atheist firmly believes he is on the terra firma of science (in his appeal, even demand, for methodological naturalism), the fact of the matter is that, when examining the details of his materialistic/naturalistic worldview, it is found that Darwinists/Atheists are adrift in an ocean of fantasy and imagination with no discernible anchor for reality to grab on to. It would be hard to fathom a worldview more antagonistic to modern science, (and indeed more antagonistic to the moral well being of man himself), than Atheistic materialism and/or methodological naturalism have turned out to be.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Supplemental note:
Hitler, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao – quotes - Foundational Darwinian influence in their ideology (Nov. 2018) https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/historian-human-evolution-theorists-were-attempting-to-be-moral-teachers/#comment-668170
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