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Royal Society lecturer says what Richard Weikart has been saying for years?

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Weikart has written a number of books in his long academic career on the links between Darwinism and malign social trends like elitism and racism. See, especially, Darwinian Racism: How Darwinism Influenced Hitler, Nazism, and White Nationalism.

Now a friend writes to say that in this recent lecture at the Royal Society, Adam Rutherford is saying similar things:

It’s nice when people start getting the story right.

For an instance of a bunch of people getting the story all wrong, see RichardWeikart on the non-religious racism that anti-racists ignore: “While researching my book, Darwinian Racism, I examined the websites and publications of many neo-Nazi, white nationalist, and alt-right individuals and organizations. What I discovered was that most white nationalists and white supremacists today embrace a social Darwinist version of scientific racism and vehemently oppose Christianity.”

26 Replies to “Royal Society lecturer says what Richard Weikart has been saying for years?

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    kairosfocus says:

    We need to return to fair-minded objectivity in knowledge building, in education and in news and views media, also entertainment. This would also help to restore policy-making soundness.As it is, our civilisation is manifestly embarked on a voyage of folly as Plato warned against long since in The Republic.

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    Seversky says:

    Royal Society Lecturer Says What Richard Weikart Has Been Saying For Years?

    Not by what I’ve read in a couple of other articles he’s had published.

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    Seversky says:

    And even if it were true that the Nazis took their inspiration primarily from Darwin – which I doubt – it still would not reflect on the scientific quality of Darwin’s seminal theory.

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    Red Reader says:

    “…links between Darwinism and malign social trends like elitism and racism.”
    True. It’s as true as “the shortest distance between two points is a straight line”.

    There is also a link between Darwinism, racism, etc. and such illnesses as alcoholism, drug use, and gambling and sex addiction in that they share the same root of insanity.

    People choose what they want to believe and Darwinism, racism, etc. and alcoholism etc. are both rooted in a choice people make to believe “something comes from nothing” or “there is no all-powerful, Intelligent Creator” or however else you want to express it.

    It’s a choice people make by force of will rather than by logic and the point at which that decision is made is the point at which a person’s brain divides against itself and the person goes insane.

    Recovery from such insanity begins when a person “comes to believe” that the simplest explanation for the existence of all there is “the God who is there”.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    “And even if it were true that the Nazis took their inspiration primarily from Darwin – which I doubt – it still would not reflect on the scientific quality of Darwin’s seminal theory.“

    I mean it is true that their motivation for finding the super race was based of Darwins seminal work.

    And if we can ostracize Trump because some crazy crackhead racist said “I like trump” then we can certainly ostracize the scientist that created works that helps support racism and bigotry regularly.

    I mean the theory supports interspecies and species competition right out of the gate

    I really don’t even understand why people try to defend the old man. I think it’s because his teachings made it intellectually fulfilling for an atheist and if their hero is a giant piece of shit well how could they be intellectually fulfilled

    You can be an atheist and hate this man to you don’t have to worry about being forced to believe in God or creator

    His teachings were crap and they’re used to support crap even to this day Because honestly it’s philosophy it’s godless gaps is really what it is, with enough time anything can happen.

    The theory is a giant catchall and is capable of explaining anything just like the multi-verse

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    AaronS1978 says:

    Ya know I really never had an issue with evolution until the Dawkinites and their holy Darwinchrist was forced down my throat by his very insulting and vocal followers during college.

    I view these atheists no differently then aggressive Mormons, Jehovah witness, or Scientologists. The only difference is I can’t seem to avoid the aggressive atheists the same way I can avoid the other three. I think they also call them selves “humanist” which makes me wanna puke in my mouth when I hear that name.

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    bornagain77 says:

    Seversky states: “And even if it were true that the Nazis took their inspiration primarily from Darwin – which I doubt – it still would not reflect on the scientific quality of Darwin’s seminal theory.”

    No need for you to doubt Seversky, Hitler and the Nazis, as well as all the other murderous Atheistic tyrants of the 20th century, indeed took their quote-unquote ‘inspiration’ directly from Darwin’s theory.

    How Has Darwinism Negatively Impacted Society?
    John G. West – January 11, 2022
    Excerpt: Death as the Creator,,
    As Darwin wrote at the end of his most famous work (Origin): “Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows.”
    https://evolutionnews.org/2022/01/how-has-darwinism-negatively-impacted-society/

    “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
    – Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

    “One general law, leading to the advancement of all organic beings, namely, multiply, vary, let the strongest live and the weakest die.”
    – Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species – 1861, page 266

    “A stronger race will oust that which has grown weak; for the vital urge, in its ultimate form, will burst asunder all the absurd chains of this so-called humane consideration for the individual and will replace it with the humanity of Nature, which wipes out what is weak in order to give place to the strong.”
    – Adolf Hitler – Mein Kampf – Chapter 4

    he (Hitler) once said. ‘We are probably the highest stage of development of some mammal which developed from reptiles and moved on to human beings, perhaps by way of the apes. We are a part of creation and children of nature, and the same laws apply to us as to all living creatures. And in nature the law of the struggle for survival has reigned from the first. Everything incapable of life, everything weak is eliminated. Only mankind and above all the church have made it their aim to keep alive the weak, those unfit to live, and people of an inferior kind.”
    – “Until the Final Hour” (subtitled “Hitler’s Last Secretary”)

    The film (The Biology of the Second Reich) quotes Hitler, who later set out to finish the work begun in WW I: “The law of selection exists in the world, and the stronger and healthier has received from nature the right to live. Woe to anyone who is weak, who does not stand his ground! He may not expect help from anyone.”
    – Adolf Hitler
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/cha.....rld-war-i/

    The Biology of the Second Reich – 14 minute documentary
    https://darwintohitler.com
    Explore the influence of Social Darwinism on German militarism in the years leading up to World War I in this fascinating 14-minute documentary featuring historian Richard Weikart.

    Recalling the Wannsee Conference – Michael Egnor – January 24, 2015
    Excerpt: Last week marked the 73rd anniversary of the Wannsee Conference, which was the meeting in 1942 held in a villa in a Berlin suburb where Nazi officials planned the Final Solution.
    The SS representative at the meeting was General Reinhard Heydrich, one of Himmler’s top deputies. Although genocide was already underway in the occupied portions of the Soviet Union and in Serbia, Nazi officials discussed the need for a more comprehensive program to exterminate European Jews. From the article published by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum:
    Heydrich announced that “during the course of the Final Solution, the Jews will be deployed under appropriate supervision at a suitable form of labor deployment in the East. In large labor columns, separated by gender, able-bodied Jews will be brought to those regions to build roads, whereby a large number will doubtlessly be lost through natural reduction. Any final remnant (of Jews) that survives will doubtless consist of the elements most capable of resistance. They must be dealt with appropriately, since, representing the fruit of natural selection, they are to be regarded as the core of a new Jewish revival.”
    Despite the evidence that Darwinism profoundly contributed to informing Nazism, Darwinists persist in denying the documented links between the Darwinian understanding of nature and man and the Nazi policies to take control of natural selection and breed a master race along explicitly Darwinian lines.
    SS General Heydrich was a key figure in the planning of the Holocaust, and was the leading voice at the Wannsee Conference. The argument that Darwinists have is not with modern critics of Darwinian anthropology, but with the Nazis themselves, who were clear about the Darwinian motivations for their policies.
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....92991.html

    Darwin on Marx – by Richard William Nelson | Apr 18, 2010
    Excerpt: Marx and Engels immediately recognized the significance of Darwin’s theory. Within weeks of the publication of The Origin of Species in November 1859, Engels wrote to Marx –
    “Darwin, by the way, whom I’m reading just now, is absolutely splendid. There was one aspect of teleology that had yet to be demolished, and that has now been done…. One does, of course, have to put up with the crude English method.”
    Marx wrote back to Engels on December 19, 1860 –
    “This is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.”
    The Origin of Species became the natural cause basis for Marx’s emerging class struggle movement. In a letter to comrade Ferdinand Lassalle, on January 16, 1861, Marx wrote –
    “Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history.”
    Marx inscribed “sincere admirer” in Darwin’s copy of Marx’s first volume of Das Kapital in 1867. The importance of the theory of evolution for Communism was critical. In Das Kapital, Marx wrote –
    “Darwin has interested us in the history of Nature’s Technology, i.e., in the formation of the organs of plants and animals, which organs serve as instruments of production for sustaining life. Does not the history of the productive organs of man, of organs that are the material basis of all social organisation, deserve equal attention?”
    To acknowledge Darwin’s influence, Marx asked to dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin.
    https://www.darwinthenandnow.com/2010/04/darwin-on-marx/

    “V.I. Lenin, creator of the Soviet totalitarian state, kept a little statue on his desk—an ape sitting on a pile of books including mine [The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle of Life], gazing at a human skull. And Mao Zedong, butcher of the tens of millions of his own countrymen, who regarded the German ‘Darwinismus’ writings as the foundation of Chinese ‘scientific socialism.’ This disciple mandated my works as reading material for the indoctrination phase of his lethal Great Leap Forward.”
    – Nickell John Romjue, I, Charles Darwin, p. 45

    Stalin’s Brutal Faith
    Excerpt: At a very early age, while still a pupil in the ecclesiastical school, Comrade Stalin developed a critical mind and revolutionary sentiments. He began to read Darwin and became an atheist.
    G. Glurdjidze, a boyhood friend of Stalin’s, relates:
    “I began to speak of God, Joseph heard me out, and after a moment’s silence, said:
    “‘You know, they are fooling us, there is no God. . . .’
    “I was astonished at these words, I had never heard anything like it before.
    “‘How can you say such things, Soso?’ I exclaimed.
    “‘I’ll lend you a book to read; it will show you that the world and all living things are quite different from what you imagine, and all this talk about God is sheer nonsense,’ Joseph said.
    “‘What book is that?’ I enquired.
    “‘Darwin. You must read it,’ Joseph impressed on me” 1
    1 E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin (Moscow: Foreign Languages Publishing house, 1940), pp. 8-12. ,,,
    http://www.icr.org/article/stalins-brutal-faith/

    Darwin and Mao: The Influence of Evolutionary Thought on Modern China – 2/13/2013
    Excerpt: Mao and his fellow Communists, “found in Marxism what seemed to them the fittest faith on Earth to help China to survive.” He concludes his article thus:
    “This was not, of course, all Darwin’s doing, but Darwin was involved in it all. To believe in Marxism, one had to believe in inexorable forces pushing mankind, or at least the elect, to inevitable progress, through set stages (which could, however, be skipped). One had to believe that history was a violent, hereditary class struggle (almost a ‘racial’ struggle); that the individual must be severely subordinated to the group; that an enlightened group must lead the people for their own good; that the people must not be humane to their enemies; that the forces of history assured victory to those who were right and who struggled.”
    Who taught Chinese these things? Marx? Mao? No. Darwin.
    https://nonnobis.weebly.com/blog/darwin-and-mao-the-influence-of-evolutionary-thought-on-modern-china

    Chairman MAO: Genocide Master (Black Book of Communism)
    “…Many scholars and commentators have referenced my total of 174,000,000 for the democide (genocide and mass murder) of the last century. I’m now trying to get word out that I’ve had to make a major revision in my total due to two books. I’m now convinced that Stalin exceeded Hitler in monstrous evil, and Mao beat out Stalin….”
    http://wadias.in/site/arzan/bl.....de-master/

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    bornagain77 says:

    Atheism’s Body Count *
    It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true; for if it were, it would produce a more humane world, since it values only this life and is not swayed by the foolish beliefs of primitive superstitions and religions. However, the opposite proves to be true. Rather than providing the utopia of idealism, it has produced a body count second to none. With recent documents uncovered for the Maoist and Stalinist regimes, it now seems the high end of estimates of 250 million dead (between 1900-1987) are closer to the mark. The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao’s Cultural Revolution produced 70 million casualties. These murders are all upon their own people! This number does not include the countless dead in their wars of outward aggression waged in the name of the purity of atheism’s world view. China invades its peaceful, but religious neighbor, Tibet; supports N. Korea in its war against its southern neighbor and in its merciless oppression of its own people; and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge kill up to 6 million with Chinese support. All of these actions done “in the name of the people” to create a better world.
    https://www.scholarscorner.com/atheisms-body-count-ideology-and-human-suffering/

    And that is not even counting the untold millions, upon millions, of abortions worldwide.

    How Darwin’s Theory Changed the World
    Rejection of Judeo-Christian values
    Excerpt: Only in the late nineteenth and especially the early twentieth century did significant debate erupt over issues relating to the sanctity of human life, especially infanticide, euthanasia, abortion, and suicide. It was no mere coincidence that these contentious issues emerged at the same time that Darwinism was gaining in influence. Darwinism played an important role in this debate, for it altered many people’s conceptions of the importance and value of human life, as well as the significance of death” (ibid.).
    http://www.gnmagazine.org/issu.....-world.htm

    Abortion is, by far, the leading cause of deaths each year in the USA – graph
    http://skepchick.org/wp-conten.....704889.jpg

    In short, instead of ‘benefiting society’, as true science normally does for society, Darwin’s pseudo-scientific racist theory has only had unimaginably horrid consequences for man.

    Verse and quote

    Matthew 7:15-20
    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

    “Of all signs there is none more certain or worthy than that of the fruits produced: for the fruits and effects are the sureties and vouchers, as it were, for the truth of philosophy.”
    – Francis Bacon – championed the inductive reasoning that lays behind the scientific method

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    Seversky says:

    And what is the body count for religious wars over the millennia?

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    bornagain77 says:

    Seversky, in case you missed it in my post at 8, “death as creator’ is central to your religion of Darwinism,

    How Has Darwinism Negatively Impacted Society?
    John G. West – January 11, 2022
    Excerpt: Death as the Creator,,
    As Darwin wrote at the end of his most famous work (Origin): “Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows.”
    https://evolutionnews.org/2022/01/how-has-darwinism-negatively-impacted-society/

    ,,, Thus when Darwinists killed, and continue to kill, untold millions of their fellow citizens in their concentration camps, gulags and abortion industry, etc.. etc.., they were/are merely reflecting the image of their creator. i.e. death

    Whereas in Christianity victory over death is central.

    1 Corinthians 15:55-57
    “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”
    The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Thus when Christians champion pro-life legislation, open orphanages, feed the poor, build hospitals, etc.. etc.. they are merely reflecting the image of their creator, i.e. Life.

    John 1:4
    In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

    5 Ridiculous Myths You Probably Believe About the Dark Ages – 2013
    Excerpt: Almost immediately after the church gained a foothold in Europe, they started introducing a widespread system of charity that distributed food, clothing, and money to those in need. Perhaps not by coincidence, the concepts of goodwill hospices, hospitals (mid fourth century), and shelters for the poor were also invented during the “dark” ages, paving the way for the public health care system.
    http://www.cracked.com/article.....-ages.html

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    relatd says:

    RR at 5,

    If there is a line of evidence, actual evidence, then the only conclusion rational people can draw is that you’re 100% wrong. I’m talking about science, by which I don’t mean Darwinism.

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    relatd says:

    AS1978 at 6,

    “some crazy crackhead racist” Get a grip man.

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    relatd says:

    AS1978 at 7,

    Really? A little self-control if you don’t mind. I’m a moderator on another forum. I understand this sort of thing from time to time but don’t make it a trend.

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    relatd says:

    Ba77 at 9,

    And atheists attempt to convince others that religion was the worst killer. I know one person who is so convinced, but by the grace of God, he returned to the Church.

    “In 1920, the Soviet Union became the first modern country to legalize abortion.[17] In 1933, during the Stalin era, views changed. In the Congress of Kiev in 1932, abortion was criticized for decreasing the country’s birth rate. Abortion was finally banned in 1933. In her book, “Sexual Politics”, the radical feminist Kate Millett criticized the Soviet regime for failing to support the social rights of women and homosexual people.[18] The number of officially recorded abortions dropped sharply from 1.9 million in 1935 to 570,000 in 1937, but began to climb just two years later, reaching 755,000 in 1939.[19] On November 23, 1955, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, under Nikita Khrushchev, legalized abortion. [20]”

    Stalin was committed to acquiring as much land and resources as possible, so he attacked Poland, fought a proxy war in Spain, and attacked Finland. Of course, before the final bullets of World War II were fired, the Soviet Union became the mortal enemy of the West. The war against Germany saw the country divided in half just after the war, and he got Eastern Europe. So instead of fighting for their Freedom, and Eastern Europe getting its freedom, the Soviets got what they wanted.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    Seversky
    September 12, 2022 at 8:09 am
    And what is the body count for religious wars over the millennia?

    Funny I did the math for this a while back and if you add all the religious wars together including the 100 year war, it’s still doesn’t equate to the number of lives lost because of Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Moa, and Pol Pot.

    So whatever the religious can do, atheists can do better, whatever the religious can atheists can do too.

    And your group beat the hell out of the religious in the Genocidal maniac category, a Trophy you can gladly keep

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @Relatd
    Lead by example other then that put a sock in it

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    JVL says:

    AaronS1978: Funny I did the math for this a while back and if you add all the religious wars together including the 100 year war, it’s still doesn’t equate to the number of lives lost because of Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Moa, and Pol Pot.

    Try recalculating the numbers as percentages of the population at the time.

    Also remember that during the crusades, for example, much of the killing was done at close range, personally, with the attacker getting doused in the blood and entrails of those they killed. All in the name of a loving and caring deity. Apparently the streets of Jerusalem ran with blood. All in the name of God.

    Also remember that, during Old Testament times the creator God commanded the wholesale slaughter of thousands of men, women and children.

    So, God-fearing Jews and Christians, who believe in a loving and caring God thought it fair and right to kill whole civilisations and enslave millions of people over hundreds of years? Because why? Should we condemn the religion because of their behaviour? If they misinterpreted their holy books then why do you condemn ‘Darwinism’ and atheism because some clearly sick individuals claim to follow those ‘beliefs’? I say they got it wrong just like you will say the Crusaders and the generations after generations of Christian slave owners got it wrong.

    For just about two millennia Christians treated some other human beings like property or even worse. And while that seems perfectly in line with Old Testament teachings it does seem to contradict what Jesus preached. But do you condemn those killers? Do you question their world view as somehow responsible for what they did? No, you do not.

    You have a gross and obvious double standard. Perhaps you should be a bit more consistent and honest in how you apply your ‘woke’ standards. Make no mistake: by 18th century standards you are ‘woke’. They would have laughed you out of the pub 300 years ago for what you claim to believe now: women get to vote! Crazy! Blacks are citizens! Insane! We can’t beat our own children to get them to learn? Society will collapse! Your beliefs will weaken and bring down what makes our civilisation great. It’s the strong who win, who make the rules. Who get to have the money. Why should the uneducated, the slaves, women, have anything to say about how things are done? They don’t understand, their brains are not capable of understanding. That what God intended. He made man first and primary. It’s obvious. To say anything different is just lunacy.

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    bornagain77 says:

    JVL, so your argument is not that Atheism is better than Christianity in creating a more just and humane society but rather that Christianity is ALMOST as bad as atheism is in its atrocities?

    You do see the fatal flaw in your entire line a reasoning do you not?

    21 Positive Contributions Christianity Has Made Through the Centuries By D. James Kennedy (excerpted from “What if Jesus Had Never Been Born?”)
    (1) Hospitals, which essentially began during the Middle Ages.
    (2) Universities, which also began during the Middle Ages. In addition, most of the world’s greatest universities were started for Christian purposes.
    (3) Literacy and education for the masses.
    (4) Capitalism and free enterprise.
    (5) Representative government, particularly as it has been seen in the American experiment.
    (6) The separation of political powers.
    (7) Civil liberties.
    (8) The abolition of slavery, both in antiquity and in more modern times.
    (9) Modern science.
    (10) The discovery of the New World by Columbus.
    (11) The elevation of women.
    (12) Benevolence and charity; the good Samaritan ethic.
    (13) Higher standards of justice.
    (14) The elevation of common man.
    (15) The condemnation of adultery, homosexuality, and other sexual perversions. This has helped to preserve the human race, and it has spared many from heartache.
    (16) High regard for human life.
    (17) The civilizing of many barbarian and primitive cultures.
    (18) The codifying and setting to writing of many of the world’s languages.
    (19) Greater development of art and music. The inspiration for the greatest works of art.
    (20) The countless changed lives transformed from liabilities into assets to society because of the gospel.
    (21) The eternal salvation of countless souls.
    https://verticallivingministries.com/tag/benefits-of-christianity-to-society/
    Defense of all 21 claims: (Dec. 2019)
    1-5
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/historian-christianity-has-been-the-worlds-greatest-engine-for-moral-reform/#comment-690247
    8-11
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/historian-christianity-has-been-the-worlds-greatest-engine-for-moral-reform/#comment-690251
    12-16
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/historian-christianity-has-been-the-worlds-greatest-engine-for-moral-reform/#comment-690252
    17-21
    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/historian-christianity-has-been-the-worlds-greatest-engine-for-moral-reform/#comment-690256

    A Dehumanizing Ideology Unsurprisingly Catalyzes Violence – Michael Egnor – August 7, 2016
    Excerpt: Atheist governments murdered more than 100 million people during the 20th century. See here for a comparison of violence and political repression between nations with established Christian churches or cultures, Islamic nations, and nations governed by atheist ideologies during the 20th century.,,,
    Looking at modern history, we see: Christian culture creates reasonable and tolerant democracies. Islamic regimes create repressive theocracies. Atheist regimes create totalitarian hellholes.
    https://evolutionnews.org/2016/08/a_dehumanizing/

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    JVL says:

    Bornagain77: so your argument is not that Atheism is better than Christianity in creating a more just and humane society but rather that Christianity is ALMOST as bad as atheism is in its atrocities?

    No, that was not my point. I would try and correct your interpretation of what I said except that a) it’s pretty obvious to anyone what I actually said and b) you will continue to bend any arguments or conversational points in a way that you can then respond to in a way that you like.

    You don’t actually even try to converse fairly and honestly. I guess that is respected amongst your fans but I’m tired of dealing with it.

    When you’re ready to actually address the actual points made let me know.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @ jvl
    Lol That’s called lying with statistics
    And by the way the millions and millions of lives lost or not validated because the fact that you decided to lie with statistics

    That’s a swing and a miss

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @ jvl

    So there’s a couple ways I can go about this
    And I read your comment and I can sum up all of your complaints as trying to colorfully paint me a hypocrite

    You weave this beautiful Tapestry attempting to say that I don’t question my Bible but yeah I condemn Darwinism and all of its evils

    But at the same time I just see somebody that not only has misinterpreted so much of my belief but is one of those people that believes crap like the myth of the Spanish Inquisition because it supports your blind hate for religion

    Your whole commentary is that type of rubbish
    There’s literally so much rubbish that I have to spend extra time to try to shift through it and that’s why I’m giving you this comment right now so when I get back to you I will simply dissect everything you said because I’ll have the time

    Meanwhile I’m going to give you this site. I want you to present all of your grievances to the commentators there, they will happily answer every one of your little issues.

    Not only will they answer them for you, but there are plenty of resources that directly answer 90% of what you complained about already on the site

    So before you start swinging at me with the nonsense that you blathered out of your mouth why don’t you actually take some time to look at what the other side really does believe

    Because as you were accusing me of not understanding your side of things I certainly can see yours is a collection of the same mantra spewed out of every Dawkinites mouth which misunderstands everything which fuels your self righteous nonsense

    And you can take what you claim that I have a gross double standard and shove it where the sun don’t shine Hypocrite.

    https://www.catholic.com/

    All the answers to your bitching can be found on that site

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    bornagain77 says:

    JVL, you accuse me of not being fair and honest in comparing my Christianity with your Atheism.

    I beg to differ.

    As to the question of Religion vs. Atheism? Which Side Can Rightly Claim to be Reasonable and Tolerant? Let’s compare countries fairly and honestly shall we JVL?

    ,,, Let’s take a look at countries governed by different religious/irreligious ideologies and compare political freedoms. We’ll choose three categories: 1) Countries with established Christian churches or with long histories of cultural Christianity. 2) Countries with Islamic governments 3) Countries ruled by explicitly atheist political systems (for a significant portion of the 20th century).

    1) Countries with established Christian churches and/or with long histories of cultural Christianity:

    United States (cultural)
    Spain (cultural)
    Portugal (cultural)
    France (cultural)
    Italy (cultural)
    Switzerland (cultural)
    Denmark (cultural)
    Germany (cultural)
    Ireland (cultural)
    England (Established and cultural)
    Scotland (Established and cultural)
    Denmark (Established and cultural)
    Norway (Established and cultural)
    Finland (Established and cultural)
    Sweden (Established and cultural)
    Greece (Established and cultural)
    Costa Rica (Established and cultural)
    Liechtenstein (Established and cultural)
    Malta (Established and cultural)
    Monaco (Established and cultural)

    2) Countries with Islamic governments:

    Afghanistan
    Algeria
    Bangladesh
    Brueni
    Comoros
    Egypt
    Aceh
    Jordan
    Libyia
    Maldives
    Malaysia
    Mauritnia
    Morocco
    Pakistan
    Qatar
    Saudi Arabia
    Somalia
    Tunisia
    United Arab Emirates
    Oman
    Kuwait
    Yemen
    Bahrain
    Somalia

    3) Countries ruled by explicitly atheist political systems (for a significant portion of the 20th century).

    China
    Soviet Union
    Cuba
    Laos
    North Korea
    Vietnam
    Albania
    Angola
    Benin
    Bulgaria
    Czechoslovakia
    Ethiopia
    East Germany
    Hungary
    Kampuchea
    Mongolia
    Mozambique
    Poland
    Romania
    Yugoslavia

    So, let’s consider:

    Religion vs. Atheism: Which Side Can Rightly Claim to be Reasonable and Tolerant?

    1) Christian regimes create reasonable and tolerant democracies.

    2) Islamic regimes create repressive theocracies.

    3) Atheist regimes create totalitarian hellholes.
    http://egnorance.blogspot.com/.....dless.html

    So JVL, just ‘fairly and honestly’ looking over that list of countries, the comparison between Christianity and Atheism is not even close.

    Do you still think I am being unfair in my assessment of your atheism? If so, please tell me exactly which of those atheistic countries you would like to live in ond let’s see if we can start a gofundme page here on UD in order for you to move to the atheistic utopia of your desire. 🙂

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @21 correction “Are not invalidated”

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    AndyClue says:

    @Seversky:

    And what is the body count for religious wars over the millennia?

    Probably a tiny number in comparison with the tens of millions of children slaughtered by christianists at the altar of abortion.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @ AndyClue what are you talking about? They aren’t babies, humans, or children being terminated with abortion. It’s a human right to their bodily autonomy which trumps the bodily autonomy of the thing in their womb. It’s not human just a clump of cells…….

    Now I’ll drop the sarcasm

    It’s about 42 million a year are murder for population control dressed up as a human right that requires you to redefine human life at the embryonic stage to justify murdering an unborn child.

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