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Some Problems Can Be Proved Unsolvable

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Here are two mathematical problems for you to work on in your spare time, and one problem from biology:

  1. Find positive integers x,y, z and n>2, such that xn+yn=zn.
  2. Remove two diagonally opposite corner squares from a chess board, and cover the remaining 62 squares with 31 dominoes, each of which covers two adjacent squares.
  3. Explain how life could have originated and evolved into intelligent humans, through entirely natural (unintelligent) processes.

You can spend a lot of time trying different solutions to mathematical problem #1. After a while you might begin to wonder if it can be done, but don’t give up, there are an infinite number of integers you can try for x,y,z and n.

For problem #2, get out your chess board and some dominoes, cut out two diagonally opposite corner squares, and start covering. If your first try doesn’t work, keep working, there are a huge number of ways you can lay out the dominoes.

A number of theories as to how life could have originated through entirely unintelligent processes have been proposed, but none are plausible, and this problem is generally considered to have not yet been solved. But new theories are constantly being proposed, and it would be unscientific to give up and declare the problem to be unsolvable…wouldn’t it? Charles Darwin felt he had explained how intelligent humans evolved from the first living organisms though entirely unintelligent processes. Today his theory is doubted by an increasing number of scientists, and most of those who still support it would probably agree with microbiologist Rene Dubos that “its real strength is that however implausible it may appear to its opponents, they do not have a more plausible one to offer in its place” [The Torch of Life, 1962]. Most of these doubters have proposed modifications to his theory or alternative theories of their own, but there are always serious problems with the alternative theories too. However, scientists should never give up, even if none of the theories proposed so far are plausible…right? French biologist Jean Rostand [A Biologist’s View, 1956] says “However obscure the causes of evolution appear to me to be, I do not doubt for a moment that they are entirely natural. We have ample time to discover them; biology is in its infancy.”

Well, mathematicians sometimes do give up, after we have proved a problem to be impossible to solve. How can you prove a problem is impossible to solve, if you can’t examine every possible solution? Often you say, assume there is a solution, then using that assumption you prove something that is obviously false, or known to be false. Pierre de Fermat claimed in 1637 to have a simple proof that problem #1 has no solution, but the proof was “too large to fit in the margin” of a document he was working with. Did Fermat really have a short, correct proof? Not likely, because no one else could find a rigorous proof until 358 years later, when Andrew Wiles produced a very long, complicated proof of Fermat’s last theorem. Whether or not Fermat’s short proof was valid may never be known, but at least his conclusion was correct.

After trying a long while, you may get the idea that mathematical problem #2 is also impossible to solve, but if you try to prove it is impossible, you may start to think that this one may also take years to prove impossible. But in mathematics, you can often prove an apparently difficult theorem in a surprisingly simple way once you look at it from the right perspective. For this problem, all you have to do is notice that each domino will cover one black and one red square, so if you could solve the problem, you would have to conclude that the board consists of the same number (31) of black and red squares. But this conclusion is false: the original chessboard had an equal number of red and black squares, but the diagonally opposite corners you removed were the same color!

Well, I have a very simple proof that the biological problem #3 posed above is also impossible to solve, that does fit in the margin of this document. All one needs to do is realize that if a solution were found, we would have proved something obviously false, that a few (four, apparently) fundamental, unintelligent forces of physics alone could have rearranged the fundamental particles of physics into libraries full of science texts and encyclopedias, computers connected to monitors, keyboards, laser printers and the Internet, cars, trucks, airplanes, nuclear power plants and Apple iPhones.

Is this really a valid proof? It seems perfectly valid to me, as I cannot think of anything in all of science that can be stated with more confidence than that a few unintelligent forces of physics alone could not have rearranged the basic particles of physics into Apple iPhones. Unfortunately, most biologists and other scientists don’t seem to be impressed by such simple proofs; they don’t believe it is possible to refute all their solutions to problem #3 without looking at the details of each.

For the first mathematical problem, it didn’t take too many years of failed attempts before mathematicians realized their time was better spent proving this problem unsolvable than continuing with attempts to solve it. Maybe after another 358 years of failed attempts to solve problem #3, someone will finally produce a proof that convinces even biologists that they didn’t fail because they just never hit on the right solution, but because the problem doesn’t have a solution.

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JVL is confused. There isn't any substance to origin of life research. There isn't anything to respond to. Imagination is not science. Also Dr Sewell did NOT say the the 3rd problem pertained to mathematics. Learn how to read. All he said was it is an unsolvable problem.ET
February 9, 2021
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Well JVL, Dr. Sewell's argument is quite simple and gets to the heart of the matter quite beautifully
All one needs to do is realize that if a solution were found, we would have proved something obviously false, that a few (four, apparently) fundamental, unintelligent forces of physics alone could have rearranged the fundamental particles of physics into libraries full of science texts and encyclopedias, computers connected to monitors, keyboards, laser printers and the Internet, cars, trucks, airplanes, nuclear power plants and Apple iPhones.
Are you saying the laws of physics are not up to the task of rearranging the fundamental particles of physics into libraries full of science texts and encyclopedias, computers connected to monitors, keyboards, laser printers and the Internet, cars, trucks, airplanes, nuclear power plants and Apple iPhones? Are you suggesting that intelligent minds might be necessary to do all that? If so, you are not a Darwinist! According to the reductive materialism that undergirds Darwinian thought, everything that exists on the face of the earth MUST somehow be reducible to physical laws and material particles. Intelligence is NEVER allowed as an explanation. Perhaps the reason Dr. Sewell's illustration rubs you the wrong way is because it simply, and beautifully, encapsulates just how absurd the claims of Darwinists actually are.bornagain77
February 9, 2021
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Oh my. What Dr. Sewell said is supported by the total lack of evidence to the contrary. You called his argument a straw man but failed to support that claim. Get over it. There isn't any evidence that nature can produce coded information processing systems. You have nothing.ET
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Bornagain77: Read what Dr Sewell wrote AGAIN as you, typically, seem to want to respond to things you think I said or wanted me to say. Dr Sewell made ZERO mathematical arguments for his 'proof'. He expressed a lot of disbelief but that's not even an argument. That's why I called him on it. It was not representative of what scientists working in the field are saying, it had no substance to it whatsoever. If you think an assertion not even addressing the real research is a 'proof' . . . . well . . . that explains a lot. ET: Like Bornagain77 you seem determined to respond to things I didn't say or challenge. Read AGAIN what Dr Sewell actually wrote that I responded to. He did not make the argument you put forth, he did not make any kind of mathematical statement. He just asserted. If you think that's a sound argument . . . well . . . good luck with that.JVL
February 9, 2021
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JVL, I'm all ears, let me go get my popcorn. Since mathematics is integral to all fields of science that consider themselves to be rigorously established sciences, (i.e. Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, etc..,,,,) then why shouldn't Dr. Sewell, a professor of mathematics, be able to comment on OOL research and Darwinism in general? Math simply has not been kind to Darwinian speculations in the least,,,
HISTORY OF EVOLUTIONARY THEORY - WISTAR DESTROYS EVOLUTION Excerpt: A number of mathematicians, familiar with the biological problems, spoke at that 1966 Wistar Institute,, For example, Murray Eden showed that it would be impossible for even a single ordered pair of genes to be produced by DNA mutations in the bacteria, E. coli,—with 5 billion years in which to produce it! His estimate was based on 5 trillion tons of the bacteria covering the planet to a depth of nearly an inch during that 5 billion years. He then explained that the genes of E. coli contain over a trillion (10^12) bits of data. That is the number 10 followed by 12 zeros. *Eden then showed the mathematical impossibility of protein forming by chance. http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/20hist12.htm
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Biology and abiogenesis are two different things. So Sewell isn't talking to biologists on point #3. Living organisms are ruled by coded information processing systems. There isn't any evidence that nature can produce coded information processing systems so the assertion can be dismissed. There isn't even a way to test the claim that nature is up to the task. So again, the assertion can be dismissed. There is ONE and ONLY one known cause for coded information processing systems and that is via intelligent agency volition (TELIC processes). That means that the only scientific inference to be had with respect to the genetic code is that it arose via intelligent design. JVL's whining will only continue to expose his scientific illiteracy.ET
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Bornagain77: On the other hand, If OOL research, (and Darwin’s theory in general), are not subject to mathematical analysis, (as JVL is implying), That's not at all what I'm implying or saying. And since JVL apparently believes that OOL research should not be subject to mathematical analysis, as all other fields of science are subject to mathematical analysis, then perhaps JVL will, at least, listen to Dr. James Tour, one of the top ten synthetic chemists in the world, who is more than qualified to speak in this area of research? Explain to me why I should bother to respond when you can't even represent what I said correctly?JVL
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JVL complains that Dr. Sewell, a professor of mathematics, "dismisses another field’s research (a field he is not trained in)",,,, (and since Dr. Sewell is not trained in OOL) JVL further comments that, "I don’t think any serious origin of life researcher needs to bother taking Dr Sewell’s ‘proof’ seriously." Interesting comment. So is mathematics applicable to OOL research of not? If mathematics is applicable to OOL research, then the OOL, via naturalistic processes, is proven to be mathematically impossible.
Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA ,,, "The probability of getting a properly folded chain of one-handed amino acids, joined by peptide bonds, is one chance in 10^74+45+45, or one in 10^164" (Meyer, p. 212)
On the other hand, If OOL research, (and Darwin's theory in general), are not subject to mathematical analysis, (as JVL is implying), then OOL research, (and Darwin's theory in general), don't even qualify as rigorous sciences in the first place.
Oxford University Seeks Mathemagician — May 5th, 2011 by Douglas Axe Excerpt: "Grand theories in physics are usually expressed in mathematics. Newton’s mechanics and Einstein’s theory of special relativity are essentially equations. Words are needed only to interpret the terms. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection has obstinately remained in words since 1859." … http://biologicinstitute.org/2011/05/05/oxford-university-seeks-mathemagician/ WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? Evolution is True - Roger Highfield - January 2014 Excerpt: If evolutionary biologists are really Seekers of the Truth, they need to focus more on finding the mathematical regularities of biology, following in the giant footsteps of Sewall Wright, JBS Haldane, Ronald Fisher and so on. The messiness of biology has made it relatively hard to discern the mathematical fundamentals of evolution. Perhaps the laws of biology are deductive consequences of the laws of physics and chemistry. Perhaps natural selection is not a statistical consequence of physics, but a new and fundamental physical law. Whatever the case, those universal truths—'laws'—that physicists and chemists all rely upon appear relatively absent from biology. Little seems to have changed from a decade ago when the late and great John Maynard Smith wrote a chapter on evolutionary game theory for a book on the most powerful equations of science: his contribution did not include a single equation. http://www.edge.org/response-detail/25468 Darwin and the Mathematicians - David Berlinski “The formation within geological time of a human body by the laws of physics (or any other laws of similar nature), starting from a random distribution of elementary particles and the field, is as unlikely as the separation by chance of the atmosphere into its components.” Kurt Gödel, - a preeminent mathematician who is considered one of the greatest logicians/mathematicians to have ever lived. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/11/darwin_and_the_mathematicians.html
And since JVL apparently believes that OOL research should not be subject to mathematical analysis, as all other fields of science are subject to mathematical analysis, then perhaps JVL will, at least, listen to Dr. James Tour, one of the top ten synthetic chemists in the world, who is more than qualified to speak in this area of research?
“We have no idea how the molecules that compose living systems could have been devised such that they would work in concert to fulfill biology’s functions. We have no idea how the basic set of molecules, carbohydrates, nucleic acids, lipids, and proteins, were made and how they could have coupled into the proper sequences, and then transformed into the ordered assemblies until there was the construction of a complex biological system, and eventually to that first cell. Nobody has any idea how this was done when using our commonly understood mechanisms of chemical science. Those that say they understand are generally wholly uninformed regarding chemical synthesis. Those that say “Oh, this is well worked out,” they know nothing, nothing about chemical synthesis – Nothing! Further cluelessness – From a synthetic chemical perspective, neither I nor any of my colleagues can fathom a prebiotic molecular route to construction of a complex system. We cannot figure out the prebiotic routes to the basic building blocks of life: carbohydrates, nucleic acids, lipids, and proteins. Chemists are collectively bewildered. Hence I say that no chemist understands prebiotic synthesis of the requisite building blocks let alone their assembly into a complex system. That’s how clueless we are. I’ve asked all of my colleagues – National Academy members, Nobel Prize winners -I sit with them in offices; nobody understands this. So if your professors say it’s all worked out, your teachers say it’s all worked out, they don’t know what they’re talking about. It is not worked out. You cannot just refer this to somebody else; they don’t know what they’re talking about.” James Tour – one of the top ten leading chemists in the world - The Origin of Life: An Inside Story - March 2016 Lecture with James Tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQXgJ-dXM4 Origin of Life: An Inside Story - Professor James Tour – May 1, 2016 Excerpt: “All right, now let’s assemble the Dream Team. We’ve got good professors here, so let’s assemble the Dream Team. Let’s further assume that the world’s top 100 synthetic chemists, top 100 biochemists and top 100 evolutionary biologists combined forces into a limitlessly funded Dream Team. The Dream Team has all the carbohydrates, lipids, amino acids and nucleic acids stored in freezers in their laboratories… All of them are in 100% enantiomer purity. [Let’s] even give the team all the reagents they wish, the most advanced laboratories, and the analytical facilities, and complete scientific literature, and synthetic and natural non-living coupling agents. Mobilize the Dream Team to assemble the building blocks into a living system – nothing complex, just a single cell. The members scratch their heads and walk away, frustrated… So let’s help the Dream Team out by providing the polymerized forms: polypeptides, all the enzymes they desire, the polysaccharides, DNA and RNA in any sequence they desire, cleanly assembled. The level of sophistication in even the simplest of possible living cells is so chemically complex that we are even more clueless now than with anything discussed regarding prebiotic chemistry or macroevolution. The Dream Team will not know where to start. Moving all this off Earth does not solve the problem, because our physical laws are universal. You see the problem for the chemists? Welcome to my world. This is what I’m confronted with, every day.“ James Tour – leading Chemist https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/origin-of-life-professor-james-tour-points-the-way-forward-for-intelligent-design/
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John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. NEEDTOBREATHE - Something Beautiful (Official Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1H3l7kyYU
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Well, I have a very simple proof that the biological problem #3 posed above is also impossible to solve, that does fit in the margin of this document. All one needs to do is realize that if a solution were found, we would have proved something obviously false, that a few (four, apparently) fundamental, unintelligent forces of physics alone could have rearranged the fundamental particles of physics into libraries full of science texts and encyclopedias, computers connected to monitors, keyboards, laser printers and the Internet, cars, trucks, airplanes, nuclear power plants and Apple iPhones. It's very sad when a person as highly educated as Dr Sewell stoops to this kind of straw man argument. In his own academic history he has had to grapple with many complicated and difficult scenarios that sometimes takes years just to understand let alone solve or even model. Why he chooses to dismiss another field's research (a field he is not trained in) with a ludicrous parrot of their basic premise is sad indeed. I'm quite sure that if a Biologist tried to tell Dr Sewell that his use of numerical methods for partial differential equations was clearly flawed and that he was delusional he would not take that person's criticism comment seriously. Likewise, I don't think any serious origin of life researcher needs to bother taking Dr Sewell's 'proof' seriously.JVL
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Polistra Rather than looking at grants as the solution, ask a different question. Why are there no Edison's today? Edison took credit for a lot of work done by others, which those who worked for him agreed when they took the job. He paid better than others and let them, for the most part, invent what they wished. Other than the AC DC arguments he had with Tesla, he generally left people alone. Without bureaucracy to stand in the way, as exists now, more innovation did come out. Scientists can work for universities, governments or private corporations, but none are free of bureaucracy that comes with each.BobRyan
February 9, 2021
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A more important problem: How do we make bigger grants available for sane helpful science than insane murderous science? The current situation is relatively recent. The trend started in 1946 with Vannevar Bush's NSF, and accelerated in the '70s as Deepstate took over more science funding. Before 1946 government was a minor contributor, mainly helping in areas like agriculture where industry wasn't rich enough or organized enough. We can't decrease government contributions now, but we can organize to increase money available for sanity.polistra
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