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World renowned physicist Stephen Hawking says “science will win” in a recent interview with ABC news’ Diane Sawyer. From the interview:

But exploring the origins of time inevitably leads to questions about the ultimate origins of everything and what, if anything, is behind it all.

“What could define God [is thinking of God] as the embodiment of the laws of nature. However, this is not what most people would think of that God,” Hawking told Sawyer. “They made a human-like being with whom one can have a personal relationship. When you look at the vast size of the universe and how insignificant an accidental human life is in it, that seems most impossible.”

When Sawyer asked if there was a way to reconcile religion and science, Hawking said, “There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works.”

Near the end of the interview, Hawking offers up advice to his children and says “”One, remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Two, never give up work. Work gives you meaning and purpose and life is empty without it,” he said. “Three, if you are lucky enough to find love, remember it is there and don’t throw it away.”

But, at the outset of the interview, Hawking admits existence is a mystery to him. “When asked by ABC News’ Diane Sawyer about the biggest mystery he’d like solved, he said, “I want to know why the universe exists, why there is something greater than nothing.”

Hawking’s interview is just another example of the total cognitive dissonance that seems so prevalent among scientists who are also atheists. On the one hand, Hawking has no problem attributing everything in the cosmos to the blind, purposeless forces of matter and energy interacting through eons of time through chance and/or necessity. He gazes in amazement at the vast richness of the cosmos and wants to know the most basic of all questions: “why?” But then in the next breath, he dismisses as “most impossible” what is probably the only actual answer to the question.

The “why” question I would like to have answered is why scientists who are also atheists (or philosophical natrualists), ask “why?” On a worldview that explains everything in completely naturalistic terms as the end product of blind, purposeless forces, asking “why” seems almost silly. The only possible answer is “because, that’s how all those blind, purposeless interactions worked out.” As a scientist, surely even Hawking must know that science can only investigate the ‘how” and not the “why”.

This cognitive dissonance is also evident in his advice to his kids that work gives meaning and purpose to life. Has Hawking discovered some way that these same blind, purposeless forces can attribute meaning to life through work that heretofore no one knew about, or does he think he can give life meaning and purpose through work just because he says so? It is difficult to see what grounds his notion of giving life meaning and purpose apart from his own preference and say so.

Hawking, like so many others, claims the high road of science and scientific reasoning, and proudly proclaims “science will win!”, but seems to leave reason at the door when it comes to actually trying to make sense of the world. And all this time we’re told it is the religious “faith-heads” (as Dawkins so endearingly refers to theists) who have tossed reason out the window!

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There is a serious lack of logical consistency in the minds of the people that purport to be leading the last assault against theism. I think that the actual war is materialist science against philosophy (logic, epistemic certainty, etc.). And it comes down to materialist science trying to pull itself out of the mud by pulling on its own shoelaces. Irrational behavior is only a property of mind. The laws of nature will not bend to accommodate materialist science. The significance of this is portrayed by Antony Flew's change of heart and Jerry Fodor's critique of natural selection.mullerpr
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Every time I read about an atheist trying to instill meaning into materialism it just confirms the existence of God. Materialism can have no purpose. Purpose can not evolve. Intelligences can invent new purpose out of thin air, but it is just a contrivance. Just think about all the brouhaha over the World Cup. Its a game. But rules are invented and a great purpose "Win the World Cup" can seem really real. But we know the truth that, in the end, it's still just a game. Hawking wants badly for there to be a "why". Does he not see that this is extremely strong evidence for God. Why should there be a being that can argue in the abstract?. Why should their exist a being who can contemplate God? Why should their be beings that make and remember moral judgments? Is not this the very image of God on display for all of us? Its definitely not a proof, but it is strong evidence.JDH
June 9, 2010
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Donald, When you reuse the line, don't credit me, I'm afraid I plagiarized it, but don't remember who I stole it from. I just remember the last time I heard it, the university was Yale.Granville Sewell
June 9, 2010
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well at the risk of being boring I have to comment on this: "When you look at the vast size of the universe and how insignificant an accidental human life is in it, that seems most impossible." But really how insignificant is a human life in the cosmos?: Here we see that the earth is central in the universe: The Known Universe by AMNH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U Though this is a vast step up from being completely insignificant for the earth, Materialists, I've pointed this centrality out to, are quick to say every 3-D point is central in the 4-D expanding space-time universe. But this is still a very interesting point and turns the Copernican principle of mediocrity on its head for the earth. We do appear to have some significance after all even from the materialists point of view though they are loathe to admit it for some reason. But it gets even more interesting once we get into the details. It turns out that a limited 3-D universe of 10^79 atoms is unable to maintain centrality for every point in the 4-D expanding space-time of the universe, from radically points of observation in the 3-D universe, without breaking the symmetry for the 3-D 10^79 atom universe. Thus 4-D space-time is insufficient to account for the centrality we observe i.e. to maintain 3-D symmetry of centrality, from radically different points of observation in the universe, what quantum mechanics is telling us is true must in fact be true. i.e. In order for us to maintain consistent 3-D symmetry in the universe, from different points of observation in the universe, the non-local quantum information waves, as photons are known to travel in space, must indeed collapse to each point of "observation" in the universe. The centrality we see in the video is not really the earth that is central, it is in fact the exact point of observation of the WMAP satellite orbiting the earth that is central in the universe. Another satellite, in another part of the universe, would have given its own unique point of centrality. What is more interesting is that the different satellite would give its unique point of 3-D centrality with a very interesting "rearrangement" of the 10^79 atoms so as to maintain its centrality.bornagain77
June 9, 2010
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Granville
When you look at a world map, Cambridge University is really a tiny, tiny place, why would anything that is said there be considered significant?
Thanks. I really needed a good laugh today, Granville, and you just gave me one! I am definitely going to using this line in the future with various institution names substituted as required, of course.DonaldM
June 9, 2010
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Granville: A great point about Cambridge Uni's physical comparison to the Earth! In the same vein, how about Stephen Hawking's own physical space as just another human being of the nearly 7 billion of us on Earth. Considered as such, he and any commentary he makes should be considered as just another 1/7 000 000 000 utterance. I wonder if he sees it that way?AussieID
June 9, 2010
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When you look at the vast size of the universe and how insignificant an accidental human life is in it, that seems most impossible.
When you look at a world map, Cambridge University is really a tiny, tiny place, why would anything that is said there be considered significant?Granville Sewell
June 9, 2010
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Christy Brown (accomplished author of "My Left Foot" fame) who suffered from cerebral palsy and couldn't walk and had great difficulty talking, once wrote that he enjoyed watching people getting drunk. Seeing them slur their words and lose control of their bodies made him feel comfortable. It also seems to me, at least, that misrepresenting religion and attempting to deprive others of the gift of faith seems to make some atheists feel comfortable and perhaps feel less vexed that others can experience something that they - for whatever reason - cannot.steveO
June 9, 2010
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Phaedros @ 2, If you were born and bred in Tehran or in an idigenous tribe in the Amazon basin do you think the truth of Jesus Christ would be revealed in your heart? For that matter, if you had been deposited on a deserted island as a baby and spent your whole life there with no contact with any other people, do you think you would know anything about Jesus? And if not, why not? It seems to me obvious that all religions are man made and based on authority. Otherwise why do people (almost without exception) grow up believing in the religion of those around them?zeroseven
June 9, 2010
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How tragic is this? As uolfcord notes, Hawking is probably more capable of really understanding, at a fundamental level, God's creation than more than a handful, if that, of people in human history. And what does he do with that amazement and wonder? Throw it in the trash. The thing is, it's not about religion vs. science, it's about WHAT IS TRUE. Religion isn't about revelation, either. Well, religion may be but Christianity is about the person of Jesus Christ, who lived in space and time and was witnessed (I think in science that's what they call empirical evidence) by thousands of people. Read the book of Acts and time after time after time references to witness (see, hear, touch, i.e. empirical data) are made. Christianity isn't about the authority of revelation, either. The Bible records the reasons, the evidences, why we believe the truth of Christ's claims. John 20:31 says, of itself, "but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name." Well, one thing is for certain. He is either Messiah or he is not. Place your cosmic all in bets, sports fans. But I'd investigate carefully before I rejected the claims of Jesus. The consequences for getting this one wrong are pretty significant.tgpeeler
June 9, 2010
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1. Instead of offering positive evidence that God does not exist, evidently it’s much easier for Hawking to just redefine other people’s God to some ambiguous, make-believe Hawking-preferred definition. 2.What god or God is Hawking referring to? Is he making some argument against all gods, or just the Judeo-Christian God? His alluding to a God one can have a relationship with, I think he is alluding to the Judeo-Christian God. In which case, his following statement only demonstrates his own faith (yes! faith!) that human beings are a. accidental and 2. insignificant and 3. the vastness of the universe is some kind of cause in and of itself….which is kinda like saying we got lucky. That doesn’t sound very scientific to me, but maybe it’s sufficient for those who believe every word this gentleman (Hawking) says. 3. He needs to sit down with William Lane Craig and deal with the Resurrection. 4. The premise of Diane Sawyer’s question is faulty to begin with. T here is no need for science and religion to be reconciled. Modern science began and was motivated by religious thinkers, individuals who believed God existed and who was in general terms responsible for the entire creation. At present, it requires faith to believe that everything that exists does so on the basis of coming from nothing, for no purpose or reason and that the apparent design in the universe is simply chance, undirected natural causes. Looks to me like science and faith are getting along quite well these days. And besides…What about religion has “not worked", and, what positive evidence for unguided, natural processes has demonstrated itself to be exclusive of design? The master science popularizer is once again, using faith in his own personal, philosophical agenda. And he’s entitled to it. Just don’t try to cram that philosophical naturalist, atheism implying bunk down school children’s throats in public school science class at taxpayer expense. And lastly, Hawking says “science, which is based on observation and reason.” Many religions are based on authority, but Hawking continues to dodge and weave. He wants to subtly attack “religion” and then later alludes to it being a “relationship” (alluding to Christianity), and now claims it is based on “authority” ?? Authority or relationship? It can't be the Judeo-Christian faith he is referring to, since the Christian's so-called “relationship” with God is voluntary and based on love, not a coercion. I'm convinced that Hawking doesn't have a problem with faith. If he did, he wouldn't have faith in his own faith. Rather, he has a problem with the Judeo-Christian faith. If he insists on observation, may I suggest that he consider the eye-witness accounts of the Resurrected Jesus Christ, the dramatic, radical transformation of a small group of cowardly followers into individuals willing to boldly proclaim and subsequently die for the resurrection they claimed to have observed (remember, people don’t knowingly die for a lie, but they will for something they believe is true). I doubt Hawking would die for his present faith, but I know that faith in Jesus Christ would be worth proclaiming, once personally experienced.Bantay
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How one can base his/her entire worldview on simply observation and reason and then declare the inexistence of God based on this is beyond me:
When you look at the vast size of the universe and how insignificant an accidental human life is in it, that seems most impossible.
What observation, law, experiment, calculation or peer-reviewed article backs up this religious statement? Obviously it is not a scientific statement (even though "science will win" and it is the supposed foundation of an atheist's life, other than other vague, unfounded assertions, like "work gives meaning to life"). But beyond that, it does not even defy what many theists believe:
Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Mr. Hawking, you are fully aware of the brilliance and wonder found throughout nature, more so than nearly 100% of the rest of humans in history. You are certainly without excuse.uoflcard
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Phaedros in #3 - Hadn't thought of that - lol. Ekstasis
I did not realize that religion and science were like two teams competing in some sort of tournament, where one must win and the other lose? Wow, who would of thunk it.
Exactly. The trend of the past 20 years or so is for those on the atheist/naturalist/materialist side of the spectrum to couch the entire discussion in terms of some sort of competition. And, of course, we all know that science, being fact, will always trump religion, being values...the fact/value split so often mentioned. Hence, Hawking's triumphant "science will win" mantra. But note the inherent presupposition that undergirds that very notion - that only materialist, naturalist explanations will do when it comes to explaining any observed phenomenon in nature. Thus given some observation and given a naturalistic explanation for it alongside a supernatural explanation we must always A) choose between them as if they were competitors and B)always give preference to the naturalistic explanation. But where the actual evidence that grounds and justifies that competition and that preference lies, no one seems to know. As Hawking et.al. continue to proclaim the triumphant "science will win" mantra, the actual presuppositions behind the mantra go largely unnoticed.DonaldM
June 9, 2010
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By the way the philosophy that "work gives meaning to life" seems a bit close to "through work, freedom," doesnt't it?Phaedros
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Hawking, An atheist, can only misrepresent religion. At least, from my experience, christianity is not about the authority of the Church but based on the witness of my heart to the Truth of Jesus Christ and the knowledge based on the lives of Chrostian martyrs that they died for what they, and I, know to be true.Phaedros
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Hawking says "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works.” I did not realize that religion and science were like two teams competing in some sort of tournament, where one must win and the other lose? Wow, who would of thunk it. Maybe Hawking and others like him are getting on in age, and realizing that their spiritual life is a big zero, or close to it, they must rationalize that religion is empty. They don't know what they don't know, and are a bit afraid, and therefore play the sour grapes card. That is human nature, evolved or unevolved, for you. By the way, science has no authority, and religion is only about authority? Am I missing something? When I, at those quiet and open moments, am enraptured into the heavens in a manner that is as glorous as it is ineffable, I do not need an atheist to write it off as adherence to some authority that is obviously flawed, as is their inference. Sadly they don't get it.Ekstasis
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