Tell your boss this one: “Space and time are different for me. YOU gotta adjust”

'Why do people cling with such ferocity to belief in a mind-independent reality? It is surely because if there is no such reality, then ultimately (as far as we can know) mind alone exists. And if mind is not a product of real matter, but rather is the creator of the “illusion” of material reality (which has, in fact, despite the materialists, been known to be the case, since the discovery of quantum mechanics in 1925), then a theistic view of our existence becomes the only rational alternative to solipsism (solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one’s own mind is sure to exist). (Dr. Henry’s referenced experiment and paper – “An experimental test of non-local realism” by S. Gröblacher et. al., Nature 446, 871, April 2007 – “To be or not to be local” by Alain Aspect, Nature 446, 866, April 2007' Great, great quote, Phillip. Truly, it both describes a surreal epoch and is epoch-making in its clarity. I mean it couldn't set out the reality more clearly. The truth of the matter is that, despite appearances to the contrary, intelligence is a great leveller. As ever, a matter of our assumptions, they, in turn, often very purposefully locked into the individual's world-view. Somebody pointed out the other day that one would need to be pretty smart to be able to deploy arguments capable of obscuring from the individual what he really doesn't want to see, when the truth is unambiguous, glaringly obvious common-sense. We see it, again and again, in virtually all these threads in the posts of materialists. Christ identified the openness to the deepest truths, spiritual truths, as characteristically a quality of the poor, i.e. those of a less worldly, more modestly analytical intelligence in terms of the more superficial, material world we inhabit; poor (among the children of light - about those darkness there can be no rhyme or reason), let us remember, because their hearts are not set on ever-growing status and wealth. When they win a large amount on a lottery, more often than not, it brings misery. They and miss their friends, for one thing, but of course, there would be others - all, I should think due to their being primarily 'people' people. What then is worldly intelligence if it is not founded upon sensible assumptions? How often have jokes been made at the expense of the military, for example, casting them as duffers: military intelligence, an oxymoron, etc. Yet is there, could there ever be, a more obstinately die-hard enemy of knowledge than a professional establishment comfortably ensconced within a particular paradigm. And make no mistake, the more learned and powerful the professional body, the more brutal and savage the history of its obstructionism has been. Indeed, the worldly intelligence is worse than a leveller for its possessor, since he starts from a lower rank and simply descends from there, this latter, due to no other reason than his appropriation of what has been loaned to him by God, who pities him for his worldly avarice. Up to a point. The article, below, is not idle chit-chat, of course. The mercy we receive will be proportionate to the mercy we show. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/quotes-from-the-fathers-on-mercy-that-might-enlighten-or-offend-you Axel

Well, that Polish particle physicists findings on the Shroud seem to me to provide very compelling evidence of the Resurrection. Although atheists will not even accept logic as 'persuasive', never mind, 'binding', if their word-view might thereby be jeopardized. Axel

I should have said, 'their proper reference-frame', in case it's not obvious. Axel

I still think the reference-frame of photons is beyond space-time, and they merely interact with it. God done it. And that's the good oil. Axel

OT: per Justin Brierley: This week's Unbelievable? show is all about the "probability" of the resurrection having happened. Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne claims that the resurrection can be shown to have an approximately 0.97 probability Calum Millerler, a student of Swinburne (and frequenter of this group) debates atheist Chris Hallquist on whether probability theory supports the case for the resurrection. Listen: http://goo.gl/jeOqa MP3: http://ow.ly/2y9Dnr Haven't listened to the show yet but, from what I've seen of the evidence and in my own life, I'm at a probability of 1 myself! :) bornagain77

Watching shadows in Plato's cave anyone?

Plato's Cave (animated version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ

Music:

Greenday - I walk alone Lyric: ,,,I walk alone, my shadow is the only one who walks beside me,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHXwik6YPq8

Besides Plato's parable, the classical world of separate material particles has had the disparaging label of 'illusion' put on it more than a few times by the modern science of quantum mechanics:

Alain Aspect and Anton Zeilinger by Richard Conn Henry - Physics Professor - John Hopkins University Excerpt: Why do people cling with such ferocity to belief in a mind-independent reality? It is surely because if there is no such reality, then ultimately (as far as we can know) mind alone exists. And if mind is not a product of real matter, but rather is the creator of the "illusion" of material reality (which has, in fact, despite the materialists, been known to be the case, since the discovery of quantum mechanics in 1925), then a theistic view of our existence becomes the only rational alternative to solipsism (solipsism is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist). (Dr. Henry's referenced experiment and paper - “An experimental test of non-local realism” by S. Gröblacher et. al., Nature 446, 871, April 2007 - “To be or not to be local” by Alain Aspect, Nature 446, 866, April 2007 "As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." Max Planck - The Father Of Quantum Mechanics - Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944)(Of Note: Max Planck Planck was a devoted Christian from early life to death, was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God. Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

I think Dr. Eben Alexander sums up the situation nicely here:

The Easter Question - Eben Alexander, M.D. - March 2013 Excerpt: More than ever since my near death experience, I consider myself a Christian -,,, On the level of our everyday consciousness, this is a world of separation -- one where people and objects move about, occasionally interacting with each other, but where essentially we are always alone. But this cold dead world of separate objects is an illusion. It's not the world we actually live in.,,, ,,He (God) is right here with each of us right now, seeing what we see, suffering what we suffer... and hoping desperately that we will keep our hope and faith in Him. Because that hope and faith will be triumphant. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eben-alexander-md/the-easter-question_b_2979741.html

In the 'life review' portion of near death experience, where every minute detail of a person's life is reviewed, the illusion of separateness is removed and our actions in this life, and how they effected others, are seen as they truly are.

Near Death Experience – The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review – video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4200200/ The NDE and the Life Review - Kevin Williams' - Research Conclusions (a) Instantly becoming everyone you came in contact with in your entire life (feeling their emotions, thinking their thoughts, living their experiences, learning their motives behind their actions). (b) Reliving every detail of every second of your life, every emotion, and every thought simultaneously. (c) Re-living the way you dealt with others and how others dealt with you.,, http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research24.html

The following comment and photo from the article are interesting,,

“Particles with mass not only experience different space-times than photons do, but each sees its own private version of space-time depending on the direction it moves in. This finding really took us by surprise,” says PhD student Andrea Dapor.

For although the comment touches on it, Special relativity (or even general relativity) has already, long ago, revealed two distinct realms of time for mass and photons. Moreover adding Quantum Mechanics to the mix reveals a third distinct level of time.

The 'Top Down' Theistic Structure Of The Universe and Of The Human Body Excerpt: i.e. Hypothetically traveling at the speed of light in this universe would be, because of time dilation, instantaneous travel for the person going at the speed of light. This is because time does not pass for them at the speed of light, yet, and this is a very big ‘yet’ to take note of, this ‘timeless’ travel is still not instantaneous and transcendent of our temporal framework of time as quantum teleportation and entanglement are, i.e. Speed of light travel, to our temporal frame of reference of time, is still not completely transcendent of our temporal time framework since light appears to take time to travel from our temporal perspective. Yet, in the quantum teleportation of information, the ‘time not passing’, i.e. ‘eternal’, framework is not only achieved in the speed of light framework/dimension, but is also ‘instantaneously’ achieved in our lower temporal framework. That is to say, the instantaneous teleportation/travel of quantum information is instantaneous to both the temporal and speed of light frameworks, not just the speed of light framework. Information teleportation/travel is not limited by time, nor space, in any way, shape or form, in any frame of reference, as light is seemingly limited to us in this temporal framework. Thus ‘pure transcendent information’ (in quantum teleportation experiments) is shown to be timeless (eternal) and completely transcendent of all material frameworks. Moreover, concluding from all lines of evidence we now have (many of which I have not specifically listed here); transcendent, eternal, infinite information is indeed real and the framework in which ‘It’ resides is the primary reality (highest dimension) that can exist, (insofar as our limited perception of a primary reality, highest dimension, can be discerned). “An illusion can never go faster than the speed limit of reality” Akiane Kramarik – Child Prodigy - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NhA4hiQnYiyCTiqG5GelcSJjy69e1DT3OHpqlx6rACs/edit

This following statement from the OP is 'not even wrong':

"As observers studying the behaviour of elementary particles, we are classical, rather than quantum, systems and in a sense we are “outside” the particles’ world. It is not then important what each particle “experiences” of its space-time."

Because we, at our most foundational basis, are holistic 'quantum systems', not 'classical systems':

Does Quantum Biology Support A Quantum Soul? – Stuart Hameroff – video (notes in description) http://vimeo.com/29895068 Quantum Entangled Consciousness (Permanence/Conservation of Quantum Information) – Life After Death – Stuart Hameroff – video https://vimeo.com/39982578

Music and verse:

The Police – Spirits in the Material World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq0KW-_48Cc&feature=player_detailpage#t=62s Matthew 6:19-21 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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