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Nietzsche was wrong and tragic and, in the end, insane. But at least he was brave and honest. Brave enough to stare into the abyss and honest enough to report back what he saw there. He would be disgusted by the puerile, simpering cowardice that characterizes atheism in the 21st century.

In Beyond Good and Evil Nietzsche writes of those who have cast off the restraints and bonds of the past: “Need I say expressly after all this that they will be free, VERY free spirit . . .” And from their vantage point of freedom these new philosophers will look down with contempt on those who espouse the ideals of Christianity and liberal democracy:

What [those espousing love and the equality of man] would fain attain with all their strength, is the universal, green-meadow happiness of the herd, together with security, safety, comfort, and alleviation of life for everyone, their two most frequently chanted songs and doctrines are called “Equality of Rights” and “Sympathy with All Sufferers”—and suffering itself is looked upon by them as something which must be done away with. We opposite ones, however, who have opened our eye and conscience to the question how and where the plant “man” has hitherto grown most vigorously, believe that this has always taken place under the opposite conditions, that for this end the dangerousness of his situation had to be increased enormously, his inventive faculty and dissembling power (his “spirit”) had to develop into subtlety and daring under long oppression and compulsion, and his Will to Life had to be increased to the unconditioned Will to Power—we believe that severity, violence, slavery, danger in the street and in the heart, secrecy, stoicism, tempter’s art and devilry of every kind,—that everything wicked, terrible, tyrannical, predatory, and serpentine in man, serves as well for the elevation of the human species as its opposite . . . such kind of men are we, we free spirits!

Nietzsche identifies two types of moralities: The Master-Morality, which he advances as superior, and the Slave-Morality, which he despises. To understand what Nietzsche is saying it is important to keep in mind what he means be the words “master” and “slave.” He is not talking about institutional slavery. When he uses the word master, he means the natural aristocrat, the strong man, the one who has the ability to impose his will. When he uses the word “slave,” he means simply the opposite of master, the natural servant, the weak man, the one who if nature were to take her course would serve the master. He describes the Master-Morality as follows:

The noble type of man regards HIMSELF as a determiner of values; he does not require to be approved of; he passes the judgment: “What is injurious to me is injurious in itself;” he knows that it is he himself only who confers honour on things; he is a CREATOR OF VALUES. He honours whatever he recognizes in himself: such morality equals self-glorification. . . . one may act towards beings of a lower rank, towards all that is foreign, just as seems good to one, or “as the heart desires,” and in any case “beyond good and evil”

In contrast to master-morality, slaves attempt to alleviate their condition by inducing the natural aristocracy voluntarily to cede their birthright, their right to impose their will on those who are too weak to resist:

It is otherwise with the second type of morality, SLAVE-MORALITY. Supposing that the abused, the oppressed, the suffering, the unemancipated, the weary, and those uncertain of themselves should moralize, what will be the common element in their moral estimates? Probably a pessimistic suspicion with regard to the entire situation of man will find expression, perhaps a condemnation of man, together with his situation. The slave has an unfavourable eye for the virtues of the powerful; . . . THOSE qualities which serve to alleviate the existence of sufferers are brought into prominence and flooded with light; it is here that sympathy, the kind, helping hand, the warm heart, patience, diligence, humility, and friendliness attain to honour; for here these are the most useful qualities, and almost the only means of supporting the burden of existence.

Nietzsche is especially contemptuous of democracy, which is the political expression of slave morality, and Christianity, the religion by which slaves conquered their masters. For Nietzsche nature is cruel and indifferent to suffering, and that cruel indifference is a good thing. The strong rule the weak and that is as it should be. And why should the strong rule the weak? Because that is the natural order of things of course. In a world where God is dead, objective morality is merely an illusion slaves have foisted on masters as a sort of self-defense mechanism.

When Nietzsche urges us to go beyond good and evil, he is urging us to recognize the implications of God’s death for morality. God is the only possible source of transcendent objective moral norms. If God does not exist then neither do transcendent objective moral norms. And if transcendent objective moral norms do not exist, neither do “good” and “evil” in the traditional senses of those words. There is only a perpetual battle of all against all, and “good” is a synonym for prevailing in that battle, and “evil” is a synonym for losing. In the story of the madman Nietzsche explored the profound loss felt at the demise of our comforting God-myth:

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: “I seek God! I seek God!” — As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? — Thus they yelled and laughed.

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. “Whither is God?” he cried; “I will tell you. We have killed him — you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

“How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us — for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.”

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out.

I feel like my ears are going to bleed at the bleating of the new atheists who write in these pages. They go on and on and on and on about how morality is rooted in empathy and the avoidance of suffering. Nietzsche would have spit his contempt on them, for they are espousing the “herd animal” Christian slave-morality he disdained and which, ironically, they claim to have risen above. How many times have the atheists insisted, “we are just as ‘good’ as you”? Why have they failed to learn from Nietzsche that “good” means nothing. Why do they insist that they conform to a standard that they also insist does not exist?

The answer to these questions is the same: They refuse to acknowledge the conclusions that are logically compelled by their premises. And why do they refuse? Because they are simpering cowards.

I can respect while disagreeing with a man like Nietzsche, a man who follows his premises where they lead, even if they lead to asking questions such as “Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us?” I have nothing but contempt for smiley-faced, weak-kneed, milquetoast atheism that insists that God is dead and all is well because we are just as nice as you.

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Phinehas:
What I don’t get is why they think anyone else ought to care about what they subjectively feel is WRONG any more than about what they subjectively feel about ice cream.
Nobody asked anyone to CARE. Are you so obtuse that you don't understand that a person can have a moral position without insisting that it be inflicted upon others? Take gay marriage. A person can believe that it's moral and work to change laws to allow it on constitutional grounds. That does not entail convincing anyone else that it is moral. Morality and civil rights are not necessarily congruent.Daniel King
February 9, 2015
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Isn't it ironic that while materialists defend subjectivism with so much obstinacy they have no theoretical basis whatsoever to accommodate the mind - the SUBJECT?
FOR SOLID EVOLUTIONARY REASONS, WE’VE BEEN tricked into looking at life from the inside. Without scientism, we look at life from the inside, from the first-person POV (OMG, you don’t know what a POV is?—a “point of view”). The first person is the subject, the audience, the viewer of subjective experience, the self in the mind. Scientism shows that the first-person POV is an illusion. Even after scientism convinces us, we’ll continue to stick with the first person. But at least we’ll know that it’s another illusion of introspection and we’ll stop taking it seriously. We’ll give up all the answers to the persistent questions about free will, the self, the soul, and the meaning of life that the illusion generates. The physical facts fix all the facts. The mind is the brain. It has to be physical and it can’t be anything else, since thinking, feeling, and perceiving are physical process—in particular, input/output processes—going on in the brain. We can be sure of a great deal about how the brain works because the physical facts fix all the facts about the brain. The fact that the mind is the brain guarantees that there is no free will. It rules out any purposes or designs organizing our actions or our lives. It excludes the very possibility of enduring persons, selves, or souls that exist after death or for that matter while we live. Not that there was ever much doubt about mortality anyway. This chapter uses the science of Chapter 8 to provide scientism’s answers to the persistent questions about us and the mind. The fact that these answers are so different from what life’s illusions tell us from the inside of consciousness is just more reason not to take introspection seriously. THE GRAND ILLUSION DOWN THE AGES AND UP FROM BIRTH The neural circuits in our brain manage the beautifully coordinated and smoothly appropriate behavior of our body. They also produce the entrancing introspective illusion that thoughts really are about stuff in the world. This powerful illusion has been with humanity since language kicked in, as we’ll see. It is the source of at least two other profound myths: that we have purposes that give our actions and lives meaning and that there is a person “in there” steering the body, so to speak. To see why we make these mistakes and why it’s so hard to avoid them, we need to understand the source of the illusion that thoughts are about stuff. [A.Rosenberg]
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Daniel King:
You can’t be that thick, Murray. By their own subjective moral standards, being banned for disagreement is WRONG. And that’s what they’ve been saying all along.
What I don't get is why they think anyone else ought to care about what they subjectively feel is WRONG any more than about what they subjectively feel about ice cream.
Being banned for disagreement is WRONG.
Chocolate ice cream is GOOD.
Why should one statement elicit a different kind of reaction than the other? Why shouldn't others just nod and smile and then go on about doing whatever they personally feel is RIGHT and GOOD when someone shares their subjective feelings on either morality or ice cream? What difference should another person's preferences make? Why should it make any difference at all? It appears that there is an expectation that it should make a difference, but why?Phinehas
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Yes, Jesus wasn't only the 'gentle Jesus meek and mild of happy infants' school memory.' It's time you got over the shock, isn't it?Axel
February 9, 2015
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@110 Casting pearls before swine? How kind.REC
February 9, 2015
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Silver Asiatic, ///But any idea whatsoever can be speculated and that’s simply not convincing./// Let's stop it here, because I don't think anything is ever going to convince you. You've already made up your mind.Evolve
February 9, 2015
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///If moral good and bad is subjective then you are contradicting yourself when you morally judge others, either they decide for themselves what is right or wrong (subjective) or they don’t. /// That's always the case. What's moral for one could be immoral for another and vice versa. Some communities encourage flogging and spanking, some consider that a violation of human rights. Some communities oppress and suppress women, some advocate for equal status of men & women. Some religions encourage animal sacrifices, some hold those same animals as sacred. Some communities consider consumption of non-vegetarian meals and alcohol as immoral, some don't. There's no universally applicable good and bad, only subjective takes on various issues.Evolve
February 9, 2015
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To my fellow Christians, take heed of Matthew chapter 7, verse 6. I was recently reminded of this, and it is something that I have failed to properly acknowledge in my followership of Jesus.OldArmy94
February 9, 2015
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There is a lot of self-hoisting with petards going on in this thread. I must say, bravo, Barry, for you have punctured the inner tube of the pseudoatheist's tire, and all of the escaping air is just that..air from an empty, hollow philosophy.OldArmy94
February 9, 2015
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Evolve
All I said was that the meaning of good and bad is context-dependent and subjective, and that it has no objective meaning. In the case of a population, its survival is good for it, but that same thing may be bad from someone else’s perspective. I don’t understand why you guys are messing up such a simple point!
The meaning of the term 'good' is universally understood no matter what the context. It always refers to a polarity from what is 'bad'. Every human society and individual knows and accepts this. The concept of good exists. It means 'not what is bad'. The concept of bad exists as the antithesis of good. These concepts cannot emerge from evolution since there is nothing good or bad in nature itself. Good and bad are transcendent - they cannot be found in nature. There can be no 'success' for chemicals. They're blind matter. There's no 'progress' or 'goodness' in carbon or hydrogen or ammonium. Whether such things exist or survive or not is neither good nor bad.
You’re just fitting the data to your desired conclusion.
I'm looking at the data and recognizing that there is no evidence of this thing 'good' in nature - and yet every human being recognizes what it is.
I did not say that termites think their survival is good for them.
You claimed their survival is good for them. That's imposing your understanding on them. But you can't speak for termites - they don't tell us anything about 'good' or 'bad'.
Of course, there is NO universal good or bad, only subjective interpretations of events.
Good, universally, is 'not bad'. But that exists nowhere in nature. It's a transcendent value.
That’s wrong. What’s good for humans maybe bad for something else.
What is good for humans is related to purpose. Other things, like carbon or hydrogen don't show evidence of good or bad anything.
But there’s zero evidence for any God to invoke him wherever you please.
There is zero physical, natural evidence that 'good' exists but you invoke it all the time also. You're referencing a transcendent value.
Evolution proceeds by chance and contingency.
That's why it's not predictive. Even after the fact, we don't know.
Perhaps there were constraints in humans developing the physical prowess to tackle prey on their own. Humans evolved from monkeys and apes, most of which are not known for their physical power, but many of which have social structures in place. So perhaps, finding a social solution was much easier for evolution.
Ok, but this is guesswork. Explaining why anything evolved more complicated and fragile means of survival, when the simpler and more robust means worked very well is difficult. But any idea whatsoever can be speculated and that's simply not convincing.Silver Asiatic
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Things I have learned Atheists claim morality as subjective and the idea that people decide for themselves what is right or wrong and yet they contradict themselves and tell other people that they are wrong even though according to them there is no real correct standard and people are meant to decide for themselves. I learned that they bleat about evil even though to talk about evil is to assume that there is an objective standard of how things are meant to be and also pressuposes that humans are not just meat puppets determined by the laws of physic and chemistry in a meaningless universe.mrchristo
February 9, 2015
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Things I've learned Even if there is a "objective transcendent morality," we subjectively interpret it. I learned @87 that Slavery is a "more complex" issue that is hard to answer. This destroys the idea that society only functions because we're on the same objective transcendent moral footing. History bears witness to the fact that there has never been a single transcendent moral standard. Go back 60 years, and there are elements of US society we'd find repulsive. Go back to George Washington harassing a runaway house slave till the end of her life. We've evolved past slavery, repressing women, and soon, gays will be an equal part of our society. You just cannot answer why there are secular societies that are near paradise on earth compared to many of religious ones. I also got several responses that holocaust was allowed for by an all-good God, so is could not be all evil. Must be part of God's plan? Endtimes. How terrifying and grotesque. UDEditors: And we've learned you think that Holocaust might not have been evil.REC
February 9, 2015
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"All I said was that the meaning of good and bad is context-dependent and subjective" If moral good and bad is subjective then you are contradicting yourself when you morally judge others, either they decide for themselves what is right or wrong (subjective) or they don't. You need to make up your mind.mrchristo
February 9, 2015
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///You’re assuming that survival of a population is ‘good’. /// But I never assumed that!! All I said was that the meaning of good and bad is context-dependent and subjective, and that it has no objective meaning. In the case of a population, its survival is good for it, but that same thing may be bad from someone else's perspective. I don't understand why you guys are messing up such a simple point! It's theists like you who're assuming that realization of good and bad must come from a transcendent being, when there's no evidence or reason to believe so. You're just fitting the data to your desired conclusion. ///You’re claiming to know how a termite community thinks about something/// Again, NO! I did not say that termites think their survival is good for them. ///If there is no intelligent design at work in the process, there can be no good or bad./// Of course, there is NO universal good or bad, only subjective interpretations of events. ///But we see humans recognizing good and bad universally. Humans also recognize a purpose – related to good and bad./// That's wrong. What's good for humans maybe bad for something else. What's bad for humans maybe good for something else (again from the perspective of the concerned parties). What's good for you may be bad for me. If we attend an interview which you win and I lose, it's good from your perspective but bad from mine. If a lion kills a zebra, it's good for the lion but bad for the zebra. ///The lake exists because of streams and rain. The streams and rain exist because of the lake./// Wrong again. Lakes can and do exist without streams and rains. Streams and rains don't require lakes for their existence either. In any case, lakes, streams and rivers are known entities. But there's zero evidence for any God to invoke him wherever you please. ///But physical prowess is a function of evolution. There is no reason why an individual human could not evolve to take down any animal it needed, by itself. Or, it could merely eat grass and not need to eat animals at all (a far simpler solution than having to form social bonds)./// Evolution proceeds by chance and contingency. It is constrained by several factors too. Perhaps there were constraints in humans developing the physical prowess to tackle prey on their own. Humans evolved from monkeys and apes, most of which are not known for their physical power, but many of which have social structures in place. So perhaps, finding a social solution was much easier for evolution.Evolve
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CA
“No finite point has meaning without an infinite reference point” — Jean-Paul Sartre.
Great quote. "Good" is a finite point on a scale of values. There is less good and more good. But you can't talk about those measures without having a sense of the maximum good.Silver Asiatic
February 9, 2015
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"No, “progress is good” is not my belief, it’s what’s causing a population to survive." This is such a ridiculous comment. How on earth do you get from "population survival" to "good"? These atheists are just so philosophically naive. They need to ween themselves from Dawkins' breastmilk and move on to something with a bit more flavour.Christian-apologetics.org
February 9, 2015
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"No finite point has meaning without an infinite reference point" -- Jean-Paul Sartre. I really like this quote because it it succinct and true. Indeed, the worldview that atheism hands us on a silver platter is one of meaningless and hopelessness. Yet our atheist friends continue to prattle on, telling us that we can solve these huge existential problems by creating our own temporary bubbles of meaning. For me that bubble popped long ago and the more time I spend nowadays listening to atheists like Stephen Fry, the more I think they are as blind as bats, or as Jesus said, they have scales over their eyes.Christian-apologetics.org
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Evolve
In the case of humans, our cognitive abilities rose during our evolution while our physical prowess remained pretty ordinary. We couldn’t bring down a powerful animal on our own, but could do it collectively as a group.
But physical prowess is a function of evolution. There is no reason why an individual human could not evolve to take down any animal it needed, by itself. Or, it could merely eat grass and not need to eat animals at all (a far simpler solution than having to form social bonds).Silver Asiatic
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Evolve
No, “progress is good” is not my belief, it’s what’s causing a population to survive.
You're assuming that survival of a population is 'good'. The fact that you reference 'good' in this universal way, is evidence of a transcendent. Why is survival good? Evolution provides no reason for that.
If termites proliferate in my house, will I brand that “good” or “bad”? Of course for me that’s bad, but from the termite community’s perspective that’s really good!
You're offering even more evidence of transcendence. You're claiming to know how a termite community thinks about something. But there's no evidence that a termite community thinks anything is good at all. Life is merely a different form of inanimate things. Chemicals do not think there is anything good or bad. Bacteria are merely a different form of non-living chemical matter (according to materialism) and thus there is no good or bad, no reason for survival. Death means returning to non-living matter and there is nothing 'bad' about that. But you bring the concepts of good and bad into the discussion - pointing to transcendent values.
If elephant numbers increase in Africa, is that good or bad for me? Probably neither. But it’s definitely good for the elephants.
What evidence is there that elephants consider that 'good'? Why would elephants think that it is bad that they go extinct? Or that they evolve into some other form? If it was 'good' for them to survive, is adaptation and macro-evolution and extinction 'bad' - something to fight against? Why is the interest of one species, which evolved arbitrarily and blindly, 'good' at all, even for them? If there is no intelligent design at work in the process, there can be no good or bad. But we see humans recognizing good and bad universally. Humans also recognize a purpose - related to good and bad. These things cannot emerge from blind, unintelligent forces. The existence of good or bad is evidence of transcendent values - thus God. The existence of God is consistent with the evidence. That's not circular.
God exists because there’s good & bad. Good & bad exists because there’s God.
The lake exists because of streams and rain. The streams and rain exist because of the lake.
Likewise, if human societies evolve morality and ethics which help them beat the odds it’s “good” for them.
Again, this assumes that it is good for human societies to exist. This posits that existence is better than non-existence. That's the classic argument for the existence of God.Silver Asiatic
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///You’re still assuming an objective sense of good in that you believe that “progress and welfare” are good./// No, "progress is good" is not my belief, it's what's causing a population to survive. If termites proliferate in my house, will I brand that "good" or "bad"? Of course for me that's bad, but from the termite community's perspective that's really good! If elephant numbers increase in Africa, is that good or bad for me? Probably neither. But it's definitely good for the elephants. Likewise, if human societies evolve morality and ethics which help them beat the odds it's "good" for them.Evolve
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Evolve @95,
“Good” and “Bad” are dependent on the context. For a society, “Good” means things that ensure its welfare and progress, while “Bad” means the opposite.
No. You're still assuming an objective sense of good in that you believe that "progress and welfare" are good. Good cannot mean progress and welfare. "Pizza tastes progress and welfare. Oh, that guy is a really progress and welfare man." Um, no. It does no good to assume you haven't made an objective judgment that it is good for humans (or species of animals) to flourish. EDIT: Lest you baulk about changing the context, "That society is really a progress and welfare society."Brent
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Circular argument? No. These both just happen to be true. If God exists, then good and bad also objectively exist. If good and bad objectively exist, then God exists.Brent
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Silver Asiatic says: ///The fact that every human being recognizes what “good” means vs “bad” is evidence that these concepts are transcendent – thus God exists./// No, that’s a silly conclusion. “Good” and “Bad” are dependent on the context. For a society, “Good” means things that ensure its welfare and progress, while “Bad” means the opposite. Evolution doesn’t have to have any purpose for “Good” and “Bad” behaviour to evolve. As with many other traits, different individuals exhibit different degrees of a certain phenotype (in this case moral behaviour). These range of behaviours increase or decrease the chances of a given community to prosper or die out. When certain behaviours turn out to be more effective in ensuring success, natural selection automatically works to select for such behaviours. In the case of humans, our cognitive abilities rose during our evolution while our physical prowess remained pretty ordinary. We couldn’t bring down a powerful animal on our own, but could do it collectively as a group. This promoted formation of emotionally-bonded groups and societies. The behaviour of each individual, particularly selflessness, was critical to the success of the group as a whole. If one individual did anything that could harm other individuals in the group, everyone stands to lose. It’s quite clear how morality evolved this way. ///The fact that a species becomes extinct is not something ‘bad’. The species itself is not aware that it is being ‘successful’ or not. The term ‘success’ is also teleological./// But a species doesn’t have to know all this for morality to evolve! It happens automatically! Any trait that improves the chances of survival will spread through the population (we call that natural selection). Success is not teleological. When a bacterial population becomes antibiotic resistant, it does not have a goal of becoming antibiotic resistant. Natural selection works on the variation inherently present within the population. Resistant cells will automatically survive and spread their genes to succeeding generations, so that the whole population eventually develops antibiotic resistance. ///One evidence is the existence of “good” and “bad” – which you reference./// Circular argument. God exists because there’s good & bad. Good & bad exists because there’s God.Evolve
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Skram, while it is obvious that natural suffering appeals to a different kind of learning process than the man-made variety, it provides indeed an argument for a religious concept which entails that God uses 'evil' as part of his plan.Box
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Evolve: There’s absolutely no evidence that any God exists in the first place, (...)
How about the fine-tuning of the universe for one thing? Did you overlook VJTorley's rebuttal of Krauss ? No one here has even attempted to put up a coherent defense for Krauss! IOW the case seems to be settled: science makes the case for God.Box
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Box:
It’s probably more accurate to say that God has expected and allowed the Holocaust to happen, because – as I have argued – in the large scheme of things it serves a function.
In other words, it's like earthquakes: they are a great tragedy but they serve a function and that is why God may use them as part of his plan. Why we need earthquakes.skram
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Skram: Just to make sure I understand you right, Box. Do you mean to say that God can make evil a part of his plan?
The short answer is: yes. However I don't hold that God planned the Holocaust. I hold that God let's our learning process take it course. IOW we don't need God to come up with the Holocaust, we are 'creative' enough. It's probably more accurate to say that God has expected and allowed the Holocaust to happen, because - as I have argued - in the large scheme of things it serves a function.Box
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Evolve The assumptions you include in your response to deny evidence of transcendence are actually evidence of the same.
There’s absolutely no evidence that any God exists in the first place, let alone him entering the moral code of conduct into our brains.
One evidence is the existence of "good" and "bad" - which you reference.
And humans have been displaying a kaleidoscope of emotions – from the good end to the bad end of the spectrum – all throughout recorded history and across diverse cultures.
You've judged emotions as good and bad. This implies a standard and thus a purpose to human life. If life has no purpose or moral standard, then there can't be good or bad emotions. The fact that every human being recognizes what "good" means vs "bad" is evidence that these concepts are transcendent - thus God exists.
Humans evolved as highly social animals depending on each other for their success and survival. Cooperation, empathy, kindness, morality all stemmed from this social coexistence because it helped the success of human societies and thereby the success of individuals in those societies.
Here you're assuming that evolution has a purpose and that it communicated a purpose to humans. In this case, the purpose is "success and survival". You also assume that "human societies" received this purpose from evolution. But there is no reason for any 'society' of organisms to 'cooperate' for 'success' for itself. Species are accidental groupings based on reproductive differentials. Species do not self-identify as societies and evolution does not communicate this kind of identification to groups of organisms. The term 'success' is also teleological. The fact that a species becomes extinct is not something 'bad'. There's no moral value assigned to survival. The species itself is not aware that it is being 'successful' or not. The extinction of a species may be a good thing for other species - so kindness and cooperation to preserve one versus another would be harmful. There are multiple human societies that could compete with each other - just as there are multiple animal species that do not cooperate or show any kindness towards each other. So, things like morality, compassion, kindness and empathy -- and goodness itself, are evidences of transcendent values that don't make sense in evolutionary terms, but do make sense in theistic terms.Silver Asiatic
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Atheists are desperate to imagine humans evolved from some other animal not understanding that if they are right then whatever humans do is totally acceptable.Joe
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Barry says: ///God is the only possible source of transcendent objective moral norms/// Which is wrong. There's absolutely no evidence that any God exists in the first place, let alone him entering the moral code of conduct into our brains. And humans have been displaying a kaleidoscope of emotions - from the good end to the bad end of the spectrum - all throughout recorded history and across diverse cultures. It is easy to see why. Humans evolved as highly social animals depending on each other for their success and survival. Cooperation, empathy, kindness, morality all stemmed from this social coexistence because it helped the success of human societies and thereby the success of individuals in those societies. Theists are desperate to invoke their imaginary God anywhere possible, which is easy to do because their God is such an unknown and undefined concept that he can be fit into any scenario they wish.Evolve
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