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Nietzsche was wrong and tragic and, in the end, insane. But at least he was brave and honest. Brave enough to stare into the abyss and honest enough to report back what he saw there. He would be disgusted by the puerile, simpering cowardice that characterizes atheism in the 21st century.

In Beyond Good and Evil Nietzsche writes of those who have cast off the restraints and bonds of the past: “Need I say expressly after all this that they will be free, VERY free spirit . . .” And from their vantage point of freedom these new philosophers will look down with contempt on those who espouse the ideals of Christianity and liberal democracy:

What [those espousing love and the equality of man] would fain attain with all their strength, is the universal, green-meadow happiness of the herd, together with security, safety, comfort, and alleviation of life for everyone, their two most frequently chanted songs and doctrines are called “Equality of Rights” and “Sympathy with All Sufferers”—and suffering itself is looked upon by them as something which must be done away with. We opposite ones, however, who have opened our eye and conscience to the question how and where the plant “man” has hitherto grown most vigorously, believe that this has always taken place under the opposite conditions, that for this end the dangerousness of his situation had to be increased enormously, his inventive faculty and dissembling power (his “spirit”) had to develop into subtlety and daring under long oppression and compulsion, and his Will to Life had to be increased to the unconditioned Will to Power—we believe that severity, violence, slavery, danger in the street and in the heart, secrecy, stoicism, tempter’s art and devilry of every kind,—that everything wicked, terrible, tyrannical, predatory, and serpentine in man, serves as well for the elevation of the human species as its opposite . . . such kind of men are we, we free spirits!

Nietzsche identifies two types of moralities: The Master-Morality, which he advances as superior, and the Slave-Morality, which he despises. To understand what Nietzsche is saying it is important to keep in mind what he means be the words “master” and “slave.” He is not talking about institutional slavery. When he uses the word master, he means the natural aristocrat, the strong man, the one who has the ability to impose his will. When he uses the word “slave,” he means simply the opposite of master, the natural servant, the weak man, the one who if nature were to take her course would serve the master. He describes the Master-Morality as follows:

The noble type of man regards HIMSELF as a determiner of values; he does not require to be approved of; he passes the judgment: “What is injurious to me is injurious in itself;” he knows that it is he himself only who confers honour on things; he is a CREATOR OF VALUES. He honours whatever he recognizes in himself: such morality equals self-glorification. . . . one may act towards beings of a lower rank, towards all that is foreign, just as seems good to one, or “as the heart desires,” and in any case “beyond good and evil”

In contrast to master-morality, slaves attempt to alleviate their condition by inducing the natural aristocracy voluntarily to cede their birthright, their right to impose their will on those who are too weak to resist:

It is otherwise with the second type of morality, SLAVE-MORALITY. Supposing that the abused, the oppressed, the suffering, the unemancipated, the weary, and those uncertain of themselves should moralize, what will be the common element in their moral estimates? Probably a pessimistic suspicion with regard to the entire situation of man will find expression, perhaps a condemnation of man, together with his situation. The slave has an unfavourable eye for the virtues of the powerful; . . . THOSE qualities which serve to alleviate the existence of sufferers are brought into prominence and flooded with light; it is here that sympathy, the kind, helping hand, the warm heart, patience, diligence, humility, and friendliness attain to honour; for here these are the most useful qualities, and almost the only means of supporting the burden of existence.

Nietzsche is especially contemptuous of democracy, which is the political expression of slave morality, and Christianity, the religion by which slaves conquered their masters. For Nietzsche nature is cruel and indifferent to suffering, and that cruel indifference is a good thing. The strong rule the weak and that is as it should be. And why should the strong rule the weak? Because that is the natural order of things of course. In a world where God is dead, objective morality is merely an illusion slaves have foisted on masters as a sort of self-defense mechanism.

When Nietzsche urges us to go beyond good and evil, he is urging us to recognize the implications of God’s death for morality. God is the only possible source of transcendent objective moral norms. If God does not exist then neither do transcendent objective moral norms. And if transcendent objective moral norms do not exist, neither do “good” and “evil” in the traditional senses of those words. There is only a perpetual battle of all against all, and “good” is a synonym for prevailing in that battle, and “evil” is a synonym for losing. In the story of the madman Nietzsche explored the profound loss felt at the demise of our comforting God-myth:

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: “I seek God! I seek God!” — As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? — Thus they yelled and laughed.

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. “Whither is God?” he cried; “I will tell you. We have killed him — you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

“How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us — for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.”

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out.

I feel like my ears are going to bleed at the bleating of the new atheists who write in these pages. They go on and on and on and on about how morality is rooted in empathy and the avoidance of suffering. Nietzsche would have spit his contempt on them, for they are espousing the “herd animal” Christian slave-morality he disdained and which, ironically, they claim to have risen above. How many times have the atheists insisted, “we are just as ‘good’ as you”? Why have they failed to learn from Nietzsche that “good” means nothing. Why do they insist that they conform to a standard that they also insist does not exist?

The answer to these questions is the same: They refuse to acknowledge the conclusions that are logically compelled by their premises. And why do they refuse? Because they are simpering cowards.

I can respect while disagreeing with a man like Nietzsche, a man who follows his premises where they lead, even if they lead to asking questions such as “Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us?” I have nothing but contempt for smiley-faced, weak-kneed, milquetoast atheism that insists that God is dead and all is well because we are just as nice as you.

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In a world without God, who decides what is rational, moral or ethical, you or me? Yes. Look at history! The only difference between fifth and I is that I don't think my sense of right and wrong is divinely granted (and, therefore, by definition, I could be wrong). Or perhaps a committee? Perhaps. Or majority vote? Sure. In some societies. But what if I disagree with you or the committee or the majority? Welcome to a pluralist society. Someone has always been on the losing end when the world wakes up and decides slavery, or repression of women and minorities, or repression of gay rights wasn't right. UDEditors: Or when evil men wake up and decide that Jews are life unworthy of life; that some eggs must be cracked to make an omelette; or that 65 million Chinese must die for the sake of the revolution. Here's the difference. I know that Hitler, Lenin and Mao were evil. If they had prevailed, they would still be evil. I say the millions dead in the holocaust died in an evil venture. AND IT IS NOT JUST MY OPINION! IT IS GOD'S OWN TRUTH. You sniveling coward. You disgust me.REC
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REC @ 53: Who said anything about banning you? We want to keep you around as long as possible; you are Exhibit 1 demonstrating everything that is wrong with materialism, and we want to keep that exhibit on display as long as possible. BTW, our paraphrase of your statement was spot on. First you said you believe the holocaust was evil. Then you said, "I could be wrong." If that means anything, it means that you believe you could be wrong when you say the holocaust is evil. And that means you believe it is possible for the holocaust not to be evil. You are despicable. Your views are ugly. We intend to keep you around as long as you consent to stay. Warning. If you do stick around, expect to be reminded of this frequently.Barry Arrington
February 8, 2015
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Florabama. Amazing ain't it. He went straight to sniveling. Why won't they face the conclusions to which their premises must lead? As the OP declared, they are simpering cowards. It is oh so fashionable to deny objective reality. OK. Then deny it. And, as you point out, take what comes with that denial. Be a man. Don't try to have your case and eat it too. Don't spew your atheism while reclining comfortably in the Christian culture you inherited.Barry Arrington
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Jerad @ 2, I don't mean to be mean, but this is laughable because you miss the point so astoundingly: "And if God doesn’t exist then would you just throw in the towel and give up on trying to live rationally, morally and ethically?" If there is no God, there is no such thing as "rationally, morally and ethically?" We are just animals. For the umpteenth time, is the tiger immoral when it kills the cubs of rival male then rapes the female? There's only one answer and it's "no, the tiger is just being a tiger." The fact that you acknowledge, without even a hint of realizing your blind spot, that there is a universal human standard of morality that at least prohibits, "rape and kill[ing]..." and, "rampaging in the streets murdering and looting," should tell you that the standard is transcendent, and that can only mean one thing. In a world without God, who decides what is rational, moral or ethical, you or me? Or perhaps a committee? Or majority vote? But what if I disagree with you or the committee or the majority? You just assume that everyone agrees with what is rational, moral or ethical,, but if the only deciding factor is that it originates in your mind, then what originates in my mind is just as valid even if it includes raping, pillaging or any action I desire. The fact that modern atheists won't admit that a world with God is a very ugly place, is telling. You can't, because to do so invalidates your belief and is not very marketable.Nietzsche was at least consistent. He followed his worldview to its logical conclusion. Modern atheists are dishonest but honesty is one of those standards that loses its meaning without a transcendent standard, so why bother.Florabama
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"UDEditors: REC, you have no authority. You say it is possible the holocaust was not evil. Anyone who says that reeks of evil themselves. You’ve lost all credibility. Go away." So arguing morality is subjective is now grounds for banning? My exact quotes being paraphrased as: "possible the holocaust was not evil" are: "I know because it is literally unthinkable for the holocaust to be other than evil" and "I could never force myself to believe that the holocaust was anything than evil. I could be wrong, and in fact, the Nazi Protestants would say I am OBJECTIVELY wrong." Some Christians might say it was all part of God's plan. It did lead to the creation of Israel, end times, all that. Edit: possibly not banned.....just subject to big black text. UDEditors: Who said anything about banning you? We want to keep you around as long as possible; you are Exhibit 1 demonstrating everything that is wrong with materialism, and we want to keep that exhibit on display as long as possible. BTW, our paraphrase of your statement was spot on. First you said you believe the holocaust was evil. Then you said, "I could be wrong." If that means anything, it means that you believe you could be wrong when you say the holocaust is evil. And that means you believe it is possible for the holocaust not to be evil.REC
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Hanonasec asks What more is there to say? I say How about addressing my comment in 45? I really want to know what a subjectivist does once they realize that their "moral Sensibilities" can't be trusted to help them know what the right thing to do is. peacefifthmonarchyman
February 8, 2015
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Box:
It’s telling that after some tear-jerking whining the atheists in this thread run off as if emasculate hypersensitivity means something under materialism. It underscores the point that Barry was making:
Emasculate hypersensitivity? If you say so. What more is there to say? Sincere disbelievers who are not Nietszchian nihilists are simpering cowards whose arguments boil down to “We are nice. Really we are! You objectivists are poopyheads!”. Got it. The 'repeat your opponent's argument in a mincing manner' school of philosophy.Hangonasec
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REC asks, What in that passage tells that you are correct, and the protestant Nazis were wrong on the holocaust? I say, The protestant Nazis and slave holders did not listen to the Apostles (the us in verse 6). you say, What gives you guidance on the morality of gay marriage? I say, The Spirit of Truth in me verified by the testimony of the apostles. You say, It is a bit of a problem that many secular societies seem good, and many religions societies that read the same passages you do so seem so wrong. I say, Why? Reading passages does not make one morally right following the Spirit of truth makes one morally right. In fact we are warned of this very thing. another quote: "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and yet don't do what I tell you? (Luk 6:46) End quote: Apparently you did not take the time to digest the passage perhaps you should spend the time and think about it some more. You say, The South “defended the cause of God and religion,” I say, Quote: They profess to know God.... but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work. (Tit 1:16) end quote: Did you get that??? Just professing to know God is not enough. You need the Spirit of truth duly verified peacefifthmonarchyman
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fifth, What in that passage tells that you are correct, and the protestant Nazis were wrong on the holocaust? What tells you that you are right and theologians were wrong on slavery? What gives you guidance on the morality of gay marriage? It is a bit of a problem that many secular societies seem good, and many religions societies that read the same passages you do so seem so wrong. “Shortly after Lincoln’s election, Presbyterian minister Benjamin Morgan Palmer, originally from Charleston, gave a sermon entitled, “The South Her Peril and Her Duty.” He announced that the election had brought to the forefront one issue – slavery – that required him to speak out. Slavery, he explained, was a question of morals and religion, and was now the central question in the crisis of the Union. The South, he went on, had a “providential trust to conserve and to perpetuate the institution of slavery as now existing.” The South was defined by slavery, he observed. “It has fashioned our modes of life, and determined all of our habits of thought and feeling, and molded the very type of our civilization.” Abolition, said Palmer, was “undeniably atheistic.” The South “defended the cause of God and religion,” and nothing “is now left but secession.” http://www.civilwar.org/educat.....lding.html UDEditors: REC, you have no authority. You say it is possible the holocaust was not evil. Anyone who says that reeks of evil themselves. You've lost all credibility. Go away.REC
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REC asks How do you know if your morality is the objectively correct interpretation or if you are evil? I say Forgive the long quote, but according to Christianity this is how we know.. Quote: We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us....By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error... Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (1Jn 4:6-10) end quote: There is a lot packed into that passage please take some time to digest it. Then Let me know if you don't understand Peacefifthmonarchyman
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Box @ 46 "It’s telling that after some tear-jerking whining the atheists in this thread run off..." I'm still here. At least until comments are closed. On another thread, we were discussing Protestant Nazis who professed to objectively believe the holocaust was right. How do you know if your morality is the objectively correct interpretation or if you are evil? Barry cries oh god, what will come in a subjectivist world. This, when history cries of the pain inflicted by those who, like Barry, just knew they were objectively right. So, has one persistent transcendent moral standard ruled, or does history bear witness to the subjective fight Nietzsche saw? Also, try my comment @33 UDEditors: REC, you have no authority. You say it is possible the holocaust was not evil. Anyone who says that reeks of evil themselves. You've lost all credibility. Go away.REC
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It's telling that after some tear-jerking whining the atheists in this thread run off as if emasculate hypersensitivity means something under materialism. It underscores the point that Barry was making:
Nietzsche was wrong and tragic and, in the end, insane. But at least he was brave and honest. Brave enough to stare into the abyss and honest enough to report back what he saw there. He would be disgusted by the puerile, simpering cowardice that characterizes atheism in the 21st century.
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from the other thread hopefully not deemed too far off topic Mark Frank says, It means that you have are having an inner struggle about what your subjective opinion is – just as one has an internal debate and changes one’s mind about whether a novel is really good or picture beautiful. I say, I don't think you understand when faced with the realization that I recently condoned what I now condemn I am left with only three options 1) I was right then and wrong now therefore my "moral sensibilities" are not to be trusted 2) I was wrong then and right now therefore my "moral sensibilities" are not to be trusted 3) My "moral sensibilities" change quickly and often therefore they are not to be trusted The honest question I have for the Subjectivist What do you do once you are faced with the obvious fact that you can't be trusted to know what is the moral thing to do ? Arguing that no one can be trusted or that there is no one morally right thing will not pacify my conscience or help me when the next moral dilemma comes up. I want to do the right thing and I trust that the Subjectivist does as well. The problem is I have no way on my own of knowing what the right thing is even if I believe morality is based on my own "sensibilities". Hope that makes sense Peacefifthmonarchyman
February 8, 2015
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If Barry wants a perfect echo chamber, let him have one.
He said on a thread in which dissenters outnumber proponents. Translation: I've got nothing. OK. Thanks for playing. Bye bye.Barry Arrington
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Larry Moran at Sandwalk:
In addition to their ridiculous "problem of evil," it looks like Christians also have a "problem of good." They don't understand how you can be good without god. It's probably better if they keep believing in their gods because, otherwise, the streets would be full of ex-Christian mass murderers.
I agree with Larry. I need some fresh air, so I'll take leave too. If Barry wants a perfect echo chamber, let him have one.Piotr
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Jerad
Atheists have already accepted that there are no gods and yet are not rampaging in the streets murdering and looting.
Atheists inherited a culture. The culture they inherited already had reasons and rationale for a civil code. Society was based on the idea that there is a purpose - and essentially on the idea that God exists. If atheists had to build their own culture, things would be a lot different.Silver Asiatic
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The whining is getting platitudinous ... On Topic: what exactly are values under materialism?
Rosenberg: In a world where physics fixes all the facts, it’s hard to see how there could be room for moral facts. In a universe headed for its own heat death, there is no cosmic value to human life, your own or anyone else’s. Why bother to be good?
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UDEditors: Yes, 49 and out 49,000 have been banned.
How many of those 49 thousand have ever posted anything? UDEditors: 100%. Piotr
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Barry, an ad hominem repeated twice is still a fallacy.skram
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@Barry-sama:
We can discount everything you say as the rantings of an evil man.
Is that a "royal we"? I don't discount an argument because of it's user. An evil man can speak the truth. Why would anyone discount truth "as the rantings of an evil man"?JWTruthInLove
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Barry #31
I do not silence my opponents because they are my opponents. I ban trolls for trollish behavior. If I did not, this site would turn into a subjectivist paradise, i.e., the jungle. And the debate would be drowned out.
I too have been banned in the past for reasons I cannot understand. It it your site and your rules but it would be good if you had a bit more 'transparency' (is the current buzz-word). Who makes the call? What are your line-crossing violations? If you were clear about the rules (had an objective standard maybe?) then we might be better able to consider our responses . . .Jerad
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Comments closed on the other thread? Simpering coward. Also, could you remove the quotes around the crude paraphrase of my reply, or quote the whole statement.REC
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skram, you say it is possible for the holocaust to have been good. You are evil. We can discount everything you say as the rantings of an evil man.Barry Arrington
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"Nietzsche bears witness against them. They ignore him. “We are nice. Really we are! You objectivists are poopyheads!” That whirring sound you hear is Nietzsche spinning in his grave." Some level of discourse here. I'm not sure why it follows that: 1) We "simpering cowards" -your words-have to respect every word Nietzsche wrote (even those that seem internally inconsistent). One could be a subjectivist and let Nietzsche spin in his syphallitic grave. 2) Nietzsche's constructions call for the revaluation of values: "Umwertung aller Werte" not the abolition of all values. 3) I personally find Nietzsche's description of the emergence and refinement of moral values as an ongoing struggle more accurate than saying we all have obeyed one true transcendent standard from God across all time.REC
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Barry:
I do not silence my opponents because they are my opponents. I ban trolls for trollish behavior.
Explain why exactly you banned me. There was no notice. My comments simply stopped showing up. At any rate, the fact is that people have been banned, and not just in the past, but also now, after the much tooted "amnesty." Some academic freedom you have here! UDEditors: Yes, 49 and out 49,000 have been banned.skram
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skram, as I write this UD has 49,195 registered users. 49 users have been banned. If your behavior was egregious enough to put you among that 49, I wouldn't brag about it. And if you revert to the form that got you banned, you will be banned again. I do not silence my opponents because they are my opponents. I ban trolls for trollish behavior. If I did not, this site would turn into a subjectivist paradise, i.e., the jungle. And the debate would be drowned out. More irony: Seven opponents have jumped all over this post. Five proponents have defended it. Guess which side is mewling about being "silenced"?Barry Arrington
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Barry, do you wish to dispute that my home IP address is blocked? :) And is this not a form of silencing your opponents? :)skram
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AS: "I have been silenced" he said. :-)Barry Arrington
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skram @ 27. You've passed from simpering to mewling.Barry Arrington
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StephenB:
In fact, we are co-existing with you. No one has silenced you or edited your comments. If only your fellow subjectivsts who rule our culture would give us the same courtesy.
Aurelio Smith:
Technically untrue that I have not been silenced. I have to use a VPN as my home IP is blocked.
Same here. What are you afraid of, Barry?skram
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