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To recognize design is to recognize products of a like-minded process, identifying the real probability in question, Part I

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“Take the coins and dice and arrange them in a way that is evidently designed.” That was my instruction to groups of college science students who voluntarily attended my extra-curricular ID classes sponsored by Campus Crusade for Christ at James Madison University (even Jason Rosenhouse dropped in a few times). Many of the students were biology and science students hoping to learn truths that are forbidden topics in their regular classes…

They would each have two boxes, and each box contained dice and coins. They were instructed to randomly shake one box and then put designs in the other box. While they did their work, I and another volunteer would leave the room or turn our backs. After the students were done building their designs, I and the volunteer would inspect each box, and tell the students which boxes we felt contained a design, and the students would tell us if we passed or failed to recognize their designs. We never failed!

Granted, this was not a rigorous experiment, but the exercise was to get the point across that even with token objects like coins and dice, one can communicate design.

So what is the reason that human designs were recognized in the classroom exercise? Is it because one configuration of coins and dice are inherently more improbable than any other? Let us assume for the sake of argument that no configuration is more improbable than any other, why then do some configurations seem more special than others with respect to design? The answer is that some configurations suggest a like-minded process was involved in the assembly of the configuration rather than a chance process.

A Darwinist once remarked:

if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, given your qualification (“fair coin”), that is outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins,

Law of Large Numbers vs. Keiths

But what is the real probability in question? It clearly isn’t about the probability of each possible 500-coin sequence, since each sequence is just as improbable as any other. Rather the probability that is truly in question is the probability our minds will recognize a sequence that conforms to our ideas of a non-random outcome. In other words, outcomes that look like “the products of a like-minded process, not a random process”. This may be a shocking statement so let me briefly review two scenarios.

A. 500-fair coins are discovered heads up on a table. We recognized it to be a non-random event based on the law of large numbers as described in The fundamental law of Intelligent Design.

B. 500-fair are discovered on a table. The coins were not there the day before. Each coin on the table is assigned a number 1-500. The pattern of heads and tails looks at first to be nothing special with 50% of the coins being heads. But then we find that the pattern of coins matches a blueprint that had been in a vault as far back as a year ago. Clearly this pattern also is non-random, but why?

The naïve and incorrect answer is “the probability of that pattern is 1 out of 2^500, therefore the event is non-random”. But that is the wrong answer since every other possible coin pattern has a chance of occurring of 1 out of 2^500 times.

The correct answer as to why the coin arrangement is non-random is “it conforms to blueprints”, or using ID terminology, “it conforms to independent specifications”. The independent specification in scenario B is the printed blueprint that had been stored away in the vault, the independent specification of scenario A is all-coins heads “blueprint” that is implicitly defined in our minds and math books.

The real probability at issue is the probability the independent specification will be realized by a random process.

We could end the story of scenario B by saying that a relative or friend put the design together as a surprise present to would-be observers that had access to the blueprint. But such a detail would only confirm what we already knew, that the coin configuration on the table was not the product of a random process, but rather a human-like, like-minded process.

I had an exchange with Graham2, where I said:

But what is it about that particular pattern [all fair coins heads] versus any other. Is it because the pattern is not consistent with the expectation of a random pattern? If so, then the pattern is special by its very nature.

to which Graham2 responded:

No No No No. There is nothing ‘special’ about any pattern. We attach significance to it because we like patterns, but statistically, there is nothing special about it. All sequences (patterns) are equally likely. They only become suspicious if we have specified them in advance.

Comment, Fundamental Law of ID

Whether Grahams2 is right or wrong is a moot point. Statistical tests can be used to reject chance as the explanation that certain artifacts look like the products of a like-minded process. The test is valid provided the blueprint wasn’t drawn up after the fact (postdictive blueprints).

A Darwinist will object and say, “that’s all well and fine, but we don’t have such blue prints for life. Give me sheet paper that has the blueprint of life and proof the blueprint was written before life began.” But the “blueprint” in question is already somewhat hard-wired into the human brain, that’s why in the exercise for the ID class, we never failed to detect design. Humans are like-minded and they make like-minded constructs that other humans recognize as designed.

The problem for Darwinism is that biological designs resemble human designs. Biological organisms look like like-minded designs except they look like they were crafted by a Mind far greater than any human mind. That’s why Dawkins said:

it was hard to be an atheist before Darwin: the illusion of living design is so overwhelming.

Richard Dawkins

Dawkins erred by saying “illusion of living design”, we know he should have said “reality of living design”. 🙂

How then can we reconstruct the blueprints embedded in the human mind in such a sufficiently rigorous way that we can then use the “blueprints” or independent specifications to perform statistical tests? How can we do it in a way that is unassailable to complaints of after-the-fact (postdictive) specifications?

That is the subject of Part II of this series. But briefly, I hinted toward at least a couple methods in previous discussions:

The fundamental law of Intelligent Design

Coordinated Complexity, the key to refuting single target and postdiction objections.

And there will be more to come, God willing.

NOTES

1. I mentioned “independent specification”. This obviously corresponds to Bill Dembksi’s notion of independent specification from Design Inference and No Free Lunch. I use the word blueprint to help illustrate the concept.

2. The physical coin patterns that conform to independent specifications can then be said to evidence specified improbability. I highly recommend the term “specified improbability” (SI) be used instead of Complex Specified Information (CSI). The term “Specified Improbability” is now being offered by Bill Dembski himself. I feel it more accurately describes what is being observed when identifying design, and the phrase is less confusing. See: Specified Improbability and Bill’s letter to me from way back.

3. I carefully avoided using CSI, information, or entropy to describe the design inference in the bulk of this essay. Those terms could have been used, but I avoided them to show that the problem of identifying design can be made with simpler more accessible arguments, and thus hopefully make the points more unassailable. This essay actually describes detection of CSI, but CSI has become such a loaded term in ID debates I refrained from using it. The phrase “Specified Improbability” conveys the idea better. The objects in the students’ boxes that were recognized as designed were improbable configurations that conformed to independent specifications, therefore they evidenced specified improbability, therefore they were designed.

Comments
This is getting tiresome. My reply at #79 is the best I can explain it.Graham2
December 21, 2013
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Sorry heres the link again! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-G6UkPS9YjU he can actually move the tail!Jaceli123
December 21, 2013
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Graham2 @79: Please define precisely which "random sequence" you have in mind that 500 heads would be just as probable as. ---- Then try re-reading #29. You are missing the boat. You are stuck on a simple statistical level 101. We've moved beyond that long ago. Everyone understands the point you are making and it (i) is entirely trivial, (ii) misses the point, and (iii) demonstrates that you are not willing to even think through your own acknowledgement as to why 500 heads in a row is suspicious. Since you can't seem to grasp our explanation, why don't you offer your own. Why does 500 heads in a row seem suspicious to you? Think about it carefully and once you've come up with a decent answer then our "incomprehensible" answers might suddenly make a lot more sense.Eric Anderson
December 21, 2013
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Guys I really hate to interrupt your discussion and would like you guys to check this video about a guy who can move his caudal appendage or tail does this show common decent?!?! m.youtube.com/watch?v=xnxzqeT466AJaceli123
December 21, 2013
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Sal: I understand the difference perfectly, and its really not subtle at all. My reply at #79 sums up my position as best as I can express it. I was trying to get UBP to come clean.Graham2
December 21, 2013
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so no answer okayUpright BiPed
December 21, 2013
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Graham2 asked: Out of interest, do you think 500 heads has the same probablility as other sequences or not?
It has the same probability as any other specific sequence, but that is not the question being asked, the question being asked is whether a chance process can be expected to make 500 fair coins heads reasonably speaking. They are subtly two different questions, and you are equivocating one with the other. Here are the questions:
do you think 500 heads has the same probablility as other sequences or not?
Answer: yes
do you think fair coins 500 heads (100% heads) can emerge out of a random process practically speaking?
Answer: no, it deviates from expectation of 50% heads by wide margin (on the order of 22-sigma or whatever) You said it's a psychological effect, and I actually agreed with you. Some IDists find that uncomfortable, btw. The problem however, is that with respect to all coins heads, the target has been well known throughout human history in as much as humans like simple repetitive patterns, and all coins heads is only an extension of a pre-existing fixed target. Thus, the objection of after-the-fact drawing of targets cannot be sustained, and thus you would suspect something was up if you saw 500 fair coins on a table all heads. Even you admitted you'd be suspicious, and all I'm trying to do is explain why you'd be suspicious. PS For what it's worth, I once arragned 50 fair coins all heads on a plate. The phenomenon isn't that improbable if intelligence is involved.scordova
December 21, 2013
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Thats the best I can express it. Its a bit like moving a target to fit the arrow. Do you think 500 heads has the same probablility as other sequences or not?Graham2
December 21, 2013
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#79 doesn't answer the question. Why would you “suspect [500 heads] wasn’t a fair throw” ?Upright BiPed
December 21, 2013
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Then you didnt read #79. Out of interest, do you think 500 heads has the same probablility as other sequences or not?Graham2
December 21, 2013
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I've been here all along. Why would you “suspect [500 heads] wasn’t a fair throw” ?Upright BiPed
December 21, 2013
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Youve come in a bit late, try reading from here backwards for a bit to get up to speed.Graham2
December 21, 2013
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So you are not going to say why you would "suspect [500 heads] wasn't a fair throw" ? Why not?Upright BiPed
December 21, 2013
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I think this has been done to death.Graham2
December 21, 2013
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#79
If 500 heads were thrown, we would suspect it wasnt a fair throw.
Why? You say it has the same probability as any other outcome.Upright BiPed
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jerry
So the difference is that one proportion is incredibly unlikely and the other is much more common. It is not a specific sequence but a specific proportion that is at issue.
Don't you mean this?: P(HTTT) = (0.5)^4 = 0.0625 P(HHHH) = (0.5)^4 = 0.0625 unless you talk about permutations, proportions don't make a difference to coins. P(HTTT) = 4!/1!3! = 4(0.0625)= 0.25selvaRajan
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I think Neil @ 58 got it: If we were to label coins with many different symbols, not just H/T, then ALL outcomes would look random and we would be surprised about none of them. What used to be all H would now appear random, just like the rest. Yep, I will buy that.
Nope. https://uncommondescent.com/computer-science/illustrating-embedded-specification-and-specified-improbability-with-specially-labeled-coins/scordova
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[...] may have escaped many, myself included, until Neil made this comment in another discussion, is that when the coin manufacturer created the a heads-tails coin (instead of a 2-headed or [...]Illustrating embedded specification and specified improbability with specially labeled coins | Uncommon Descent
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I have not followed this at all but haven't seen the real issue in my cursory reading. It is not that the 500 heads is a unique sequence (every sequence is unique), it is that it represents a specific proportion of heads versus tails which is very unique also. If it was 499 heads and one tail, we would still be highly suspect because there are only 500 possible combinations that give rise to this proportion compared to other proportions. So when one offers a different sequence of heads and tails, say it is 250 heads and 250 tails, there could be almost an infinite number of ways of getting this combination (well an extremely high number). So the difference is that one proportion is incredibly unlikely and the other is much more common. It is not a specific sequence but a specific proportion that is at issue. In DNA, it is those combinations that give rise to a folding protein versus those combinations that do not. The proportion of combinations that give rise to a folding protein is infinitesimally small compared to those combinations that do not. So how does one stumble on one of these incredibly small instances of a folding protein or how does one stumble on the incredibly small number of instances of 500 straight heads. It is not by chance or any naturalistic process known to man. As an aside someone did an experiment with dice that designed a machine that flipped the die to land on a table and give the same number each time. So 500 heads should be easy. Just that I said it was a machine that was designed.jerry
December 21, 2013
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Mapou, I think you too are confusing sequence with permutations of the sequence- P(HHHH) = (0.5)^4 = 0.0625 P(HTTT) = 4!/1!3! = 4(0.0625)= 0.25 P(HHTT) = 4!/2!2! = 6 X(0.0625) = 0.375selvaRajan
December 21, 2013
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Box , I will make this clear: Every sequence has same probability -I was talking about permutations of the sequence-because Sal talked about students arranging the sequence building their design (and Penny's Game in respect of pitting first sequence obtained against another): P(HHHH) = (0.5)^4 = 0.0625 P(HTTT) = 4!/1!3! = 4(0.0625)= 0.25 P(HHTT) = 4!/2!2! = 6 X(0.0625) = 0.375 so yes Paul,Graham2 and Cantor are right in saying sequence has same probability unless Sal meant something else.selvaRajan
December 21, 2013
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Graham2, you make no sense whatsoever. There is no use in arguing with you.Mapou
December 21, 2013
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Box: If 500 heads were thrown, we would suspect it wasnt a fair throw. If a (apparantly) random sequence was thrown, we wouldnt be concerned, yet both sequences have exactly the same probability. It appears counter-intuitive, but its not. Its a psychological effect, nothing to do with mathematics (the universe doesnt care). We are suspicious of the 500 heads because it matches a small pool of sequences that we carry round with us, that we regard as 'special'.Graham2
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Graham2, What is your comment on this article by Scordova? excerpt:
500 coins heads is (500-250)/11 = 22 standard deviations (22 sigma) from expectation! (...) Bottom line, the critic at skeptical zone is incorrect. His statement symbolizes the determination to disagree with my reasonable claim that 500 fair coins heads is inconsistent with a random physical outcome.
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EA #75 Your post at #29 was sort of incomprehensible. The probability of any sequence is (1/2)^n. Look it up. If you dont agree, then use just 3 coins as an example and tell us the probability of HHH and something else (eg: HTH), in other words, put your money where your mouth is. A number now, not all that waffle about 'specified' etc. An actual number. (Before you post it, just do a quick check that all 8 values add up to 1: this is a dead giveaway)Graham2
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Post 24 Paul GiemDecember 21, 2013 at 12:09 am Look not only at the number of ones and zeroes, but also at the two-dimensional pattern. Then get ready to defend your answer.
I got the right answer (B) without seeing the pattern. B has 85 heads. The probability of getting 85 or fewer heads with one random trial of 210 bits is about 0.3% A has 104 heads. The probability of getting more than 85 and fewer than 105 heads with one random trial of 210 bits is about 47% Assuming you didn't: 1) design A and then purposely add (or subtract) heads to make the number 104, and 2) randomize B until you got an outlier, then ... is it not valid to infer (with some geater than 50/50 probability) that B is the designed pattern?cantor
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Graham2 @70: C'mon. Neil's example doesn't change a single thing. This is all pretty simple. We are still dealing with a binary coin. And if you add more characters, we just end up with more possible combinations. Doesn't change a thing. In Neil's example are you saying that the probability of getting all the coins to fall with X mark upside is the same as the probability of getting a sequence that doesn't have all the X marks upside? Or are we going to be more careful with our use of "any other sequence" kind of language? Re-read my #29. That is the key.Eric Anderson
December 21, 2013
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Once we agree that humans can differentiate between random noise and patterns the next step is to understand that absent an reasonable explanation humans are hardwired to infer design to nonrandom patterns. It's just what we do from here: "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1136482/Brains-hardwired-believe-God-imaginary-friends.html So when we see something that is obviously not random like the rapid emergence of body forms in the Cambrian explosion the default explanation is Design. There is just no getting around that it's in our genes. It might not be fair but the burden of proof in such cases will always fall to the person denying design. It's human nature. Until a convincing explanation can be given that does not rely on chance people with out an axe to grind will always assume design once we rule out randomness. That is why ID will not go away no matter the efforts of the critics. peacefifthmonarchyman
December 21, 2013
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No doubt cantor, but what's really inexplicable -- or maybe just weird -- print up Pedro Giem's (yes, in that universe he's an illegal alien -- WHOOPS! I'll get in trouble in both universes talking that way -- I mean undocumented worker) on an 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper, default margins and fonts in MF Word (the meanings of "soft" and "fuzz" being flipped over there) and punch holes where the zeros are, staple it to a scroll, and run it through a 1923 Wrigley Player Piano, and it plays six measures of "Ode To Joy" backwards. But -- and here's the really weird part -- play it backwards to hear that piece forward and it plays the chorus of "Sgt. Pepper" instead; the same tune as that hit in this universe, except the Walrus is Ringo (how do you like those cucumbers? yes, over there cucumbers, not apples grow on trees, got to Eve, hit Newton, inspired Jobs, etc., etc., etc.). Which, you know, that's just like science, right? The multiverse makes duck soup of all the vexing OOL questions, but at the same time poses even more vexing questions. Go figure.jstanley01
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it spells “supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.” Using the same number of digits, no less. Go figure. 210 bits is more than adequate to code that word, with lots of bits left over.cantor
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