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UD Editors:  No one has come close to refuting UB’s thesis after 129 comments.  We are moving this post to the top of the page to give the materialists another chance.

I take the following from an excellent comment UB made in a prior post.  UB lays out his argument step by step, precept by precept.  Then he arrives at a conclusion.  In order for his argument to be valid, the conclusion must follow from the premises.  In order for his argument to be sound, each of the premises must be true.

Now here is the challenge to our Darwinist friends.  If you disagree with UB’s conclusion, please demonstrate how his argument is either invalid (as a matter of logic the conclusion does not follow from the premises) or unsound (one or more of the premises are false).  Good luck (you’re going to need it).

Without further ado, here is UB’s argument:

1.  A representation is an arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system (e.g. written text, spoken words, pheromones, animal gestures, codes, sensory input, intracellular messengers, nucleotide sequences, etc, etc).

2.  It is not logically possible to transfer information (the form of a thing; a measured aspect, quality, or preference) in a material universe without using a representation instantiated in matter.

3.  If that is true, and it surely must be, then several other things must logically follow. If there is now an arrangement of matter which contains a representation of form as a consequence of its own material arrangement, then that arrangement must be necessarily arbitrary to the thing it represents. In other words, if one thing is to represent another thing within a system, then it must be separate from the thing it represents. And if it is separate from it, then it cannot be anything but materially arbitrary to it (i.e. they cannot be the same thing).

4.  If that is true, then the presence of that representation must present a material component to the system (which is reducible to physical law), while its arrangement presents an arbitrary component to the system (which is not reducible to physical law).

5.  If that is true, and again it surely must be, then there has to be something else which establishes the otherwise non-existent relationship between the representation and the effect it evokes within the system. In fact, this is the material basis of Francis Crick’s famous ‘adapter hypothesis’ in DNA, which lead to a revolution in the biological sciences. In a material universe, that something else must be a second arrangement of matter; coordinated to the first arrangement as well as to the effect it evokes.

6.  It then also follows that this second arrangement must produce its unambiguous function, not from the mere presence of the representation, but from its arrangement.  It is the arbitrary component of the representation which produces the function.

7.  And if those observations are true, then in order to actually transfer recorded information, two discrete arrangements of matter are inherently required by the process; and both of these objects must necessarily have a quality that extends beyond their mere material make-up. The first is a representation and the second is a protocol (a systematic, operational rule instantiated in matter) and together they function as a formal system. They are the irreducible complex core which is fundamentally required in order to transfer recorded information.

8.  During protein synthesis, a selected portion of DNA is first transcribed into mRNA, then matured and transported to the site of translation within the ribosome. This transcription process facilitates the input of information (the arbitrary component of the DNA sequence) into the system. The input of this arbitrary component functions to constrain the output, producing the polypeptides which demonstrate unambiguous function.

9.  From a causal standpoint, the arbitrary component of DNA is transcribed to mRNA, and those mRNA are then used to order tRNA molecules within the ribosome. Each stage of this transcription process is determined by the physical forces of pair bonding. Yet, which amino acid appears at the peptide binding site is not determined by pair bonding; it is determined  by the aaRS. In other words, which amino acid appears at the binding site is only evoked by the physical structure of the nucleic triplet, but is not determined by it. Instead, it is determined (in spatial and temporal isolation) by the physical structure of the aaRS. This is the point of translation; the point where the arbitrary component of the representation is allowed to evoke a response in a physically determined system – while preserving the arbitrary nature of the representation.

10.  This physical event, translation by a material protocol, as well as the transcription of a material representation, is ubiquitous in the transfer of recorded information.

CONCLUSION:  These two physical objects (the representation and protocol) along with the required preservation of the arbitrary component of the representation, and the production of unambiguous function from that arbitrary component, confirm that the transfer of recorded information in the genome is just like any other form of recorded information. It’s an arbitrary relationship instantiated in matter.

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well Joe the issues surrounding this question of 'mass' become quite complicated when discussing relativity as this following site illustrates:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/1686/why-does-the-mass-of-an-object-increase-when-its-speed-approaches-that-of-light
none-the-less, If you look on the site I listed, There you will see a equation that has the ubiquitous constant of the speed of light (c) in the denominator, thus when velocity of a object reaches c the entire denominator of the equation goes to zero and thus dividing by zero gives us infinity for a answer, In which the implications are not easy to fish out with the terms rest mass, relativistic mass, inertial mass all being bandied about by the geeks on the site..bornagain77
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So a car going over a bridge at 20 mph weighs less than if it went over the bridge at 55 mph? Do bridge engineers take this into account? (end sarcasm) bornagain- I thought that it was the energy required that makes the difference. IOW to get a particle with mass to accelerate to the speed of light, the energy required by the particle would make that particle infinitely massive. But perhaps they require more and more energy because they get bigger. But again this appears to be relevant only wrt the speed of light.Joe
September 22, 2012
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sigh. lol.
In everyday usage the term "weight" is commonly used to mean mass, which scientifically is an entirely different concept.
In science and engineering, the weight of an object is the force on the object due to gravity....The unit of measurement for weight is that of force, which in the International System of Units (SI) is the newton.... In the 20th century, the Newtonian concepts of gravitation were challenged by relativity. Einstein's principle of equivalence put all observers, accelerating in space far from gravitating bodies, or held in place against gravitation near such a body, on the same footing. This led to an ambiguity as to what exactly is meant by the "force of gravity" and (in consequence) by weight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeightMung
September 22, 2012
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Objects get heavier as they accelerate.- Allan Miller They do?
Yes they do, that is why they have had to build bigger and bigger particle accelerators/colliders so as to get ever closer to the speed of light. In fact particles can never be accelerated exactly to the speed of light, but can only approach it ever so closely (99.999...%) because the weight of a particle will become infinite at the speed of light.bornagain77
September 22, 2012
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Objects get heavier as they accelerate.- Allan Miller
They do? Have you actually weighed something that was moving and compared it to the weight when it is at rest? Just because you add force does not mean you add weight. F=MA Yes a moving baseball will hurt more than a stationary baseball but not because it weighs more. And yes a car with a full tank of gas will weigh more than the same car with an empty tank. That is because the fuel has mass.Joe
September 22, 2012
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Onlooker,
Excellent, we’re making a little progress finally
There are forty-two instances of "form of a thing" on this page. Not only does it appear in the OP, but several of those subsequent instances were in comments specifically directed to you. That being the case, the only real impediment to "progress" has been your transparent need to promote the contrived narrative that the argument is beyond your ability to understand it, and that I am unwilling to clarify. Both of those positions are demonstrably false, as is your continued narrative that Reciprocating Bill was not forced to concede that his objections at TSZ were invalid. Post hoc rationalization not withstanding. As for the your remaining issue with the phrase "materially arbitrary" regarding the relationship between a representation and its effect within the system, thus far on this thread I have said:
If there is now an arrangement of matter which contains a representation of form as a consequence of its own material arrangement, then that arrangement must be necessarily arbitrary to the thing it represents. In other words, if one thing is to represent another thing within a system, then it must be separate from the thing it represents. And if it is separate from it, then it cannot be anything but materially arbitrary to it (i.e. they cannot be the same thing). ...and The first object is a representation; an arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system, where the arrangement is materially arbitrary to the effect it evokes. The word “arbitrary” is used in the sense that there is no material or physical connection between the representational arrangement and the effect it evokes (i.e. the word “apple” written on a piece of paper evokes the recall of a particular fruit in an observer, but that recall has nothing whatsoever to do with wood pulp, ink dye, or solvent). … and [regarding the word "arbitrary"] It’s not really the word I rely upon; it the material observation which has been made. Proteins aren’t constructed from nucleotides. There is no inherent physical property in the pattern of cytosine-thymine-adenine which maps to leucine. That mapping is context specific, not an inexorable law. This has been shown in the lab.
Now perhaps for an average reader, they could pick up from those comments that there is no inexorable law that connects a material representation to its material effect; that such connections are context specific within a system, hence, they are “materially arbitrary”. However, you do not seem able to grasp this distinction, so I asked you to consider an example where I would separate the representation and its effect in time, space, and their material make-up:
Let’s say you take the genetic symbol C-T-A and put it in your pocket for safe keeping. And tomorrow, you will take it out and run it through a ribosome where it will evoke its specified effect. You can now ask yourself a simple question of logic … can the effect which will not even happen until tomorrow also be the arrangement of matter in your pocket today, even though that effect tomorrow will contain nothing whatsoever that is in your pocket today? Or are these two things necessarily not the same thing?
Yet you have steadfastly refused to enage this example, or the one given previous to it. Can a thing, separated by space, time, and material content, also be the effect it evokes within a system? The answer is “no” it cannot be the same thing. And if it is not the same thing as the effect, yet has a connection to it, then that connection must be materially arbitrary. But reaching this basic understanding is not your goal. Your goal is to keep asking questions and use it as an opportunity to to sling insults and perpetuate a dishonest narrative – which is all you've done. But your failing on this front has already been illuminated here, and nothing has changed. You need to present yourself as an interested opponent who simply cannot get a straight answer, and then to have me fear your ultimate conclusion that I am being evasive in answering you. What you cannot accomplish by evidence and argument, you will attempt to manufacture by rhetoric and deception. But, you assume too much. I am not afraid of anything you say with regard to the argument itself, nor do I fear your foregone conclusion that I am being evasive. - - - - - - - - - - - Now, Dr Liddle stated that she believes it is not even possible to transfer recorded information in a material universe without using “an arrangement of matter in order to represent that information”. Are you able to unass yourself from your rhetoric long enough to agee with her, or not?Upright BiPed
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onlooker:
your prose is impenetrable
a lie onlooker:
your refusal to answer simple, direct questions speaks volumes.
another lie and the height of hypocrisy to boot. onlooker:
I am simply trying to understand your argument.
There is a substantial body of evidence now in this thread that indicates otherwise.Mung
September 22, 2012
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onlooker:
You have yet to reply to my two proposed definitions of “arbitrary”:
liar He rejected them both, on numerous occasions. And he offered to help you understand why he rejected them, repeatedly. And you failed to respond, repeatedly. And you accuse him of bad faith. What a crock. Where's your integrity?Mung
September 22, 2012
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to onlooker and all evos- Are you guys really unable to plug in the standard and accepted definitions of the words Upright Biped uses in order to understand what he is saying? If that is true then how do you guys communicate? It should be impossible to communicate given your lack of understanding of the words used to communicate. That said, seeing that you have the ability to communicate that demonstrates the total lack of good faith on your part pertaining UB's semiotic argument.Joe
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Upright BiPed,
"information is the form of a thing" is exactly how I’ve used the term throughout the argument
Excellent, we're making a little progress finally. We now have two definitions and a premise agreed upon: D1. Representation: An arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system. Examples include: Written text Spoken words Pheromones Animal gestures Codes Sensory input Intracellular messengers Nucleotide sequences D2. Information: The form of a thing. P1. It is not logically possible to transfer information without using an arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system. Now, D2 is a bit vague, but we can see if that matters as we work through the rest of your argument. The outstanding issues that remain to get through your paragraph 3 are: - What is your precise definition of "arbitrary"? Does it correspond to either of the proposed definitions I offered? - Please restate your premise "If there is an arrangement of matter that constitutes information, that arrangement is necessarily arbitrary to the thing to which the information refers." to clarify exactly what you are trying to communicate. - What does "necessarily arbitrary" mean in that premise? You have yet to reply to my two proposed definitions of "arbitrary": D3. Arbitrary: Not connected by any direct physical mechanism. or D3. Arbitrary: In one configuration of many possible configurations. Once we have agreement on this definition, it should be possible to work on "necessarily arbitrary" in the context of your next premise. I look forward to more progress.onlooker
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I wonder if toronto ever heard of the conservation laws.Mung
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If “e=mc^2?, when m=0, the product “e” becomes 0 also.
OMG! that's a violation of the ^ operator!Mung
September 21, 2012
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I'm obviously not going to be able to read through 609 comments. I will say this, however: This argument is amateurishly formed. It is hard to follow the logic from one point to the next, and new terms are introduced and leaps are taken half-way through without obvious logical support. It would be helpful to all involved if you restated your argument as a list of premises and then follow each step from those premises. And further, it is not clear why this particular conclusion that you reach even matters. Why are you trying to prove that genome is like other information?BioTurboNick
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toronto replies:
I’m not sure what you mean here. If “e=mc^2?, when m=0, the product “e” becomes 0 also. Are you saying, that in this material world we occupy, we can have energy without mass?
Go weigh radio waves and tell me how much mass you have. The equation means if you have x amount of energy that = y amount of mass and if you have y amount of mass then x is the amount of energy that mass is equal to. It is an apples (energy) to organges (mass) converterJoe
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By the way, Onlooker, The owner of The SkepticalZone, Dr. Elizabeth Liddle was asked by me "if was even possible" to transfer recorded information in a material universe without using "an arrangement of matter in order to represent that information". Her answer was a direct "No" I agree with her. Do you?Upright BiPed
September 21, 2012
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#598 See aboveUpright BiPed
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Now Allan Miller thinks that codons represent amino acids is juts a metaphor. Only a moron would say something like that. The whole biological world uses codons represent amino acids because they do, Allan. It isn't a metaphor, it is reality.
A gene for dark colouration does not represent dark colouration
Nice bait-n-switch, a very cowardly thing to do.
there is a causal relationship between a codon and an acid in a peptide,
What causal relationship is that? Please be specific. I, and the rest of the world, say the causal relationship is a symbolic one. You alone say otherwise. BTW Allan, energy is not material until someone takes it and converts it. Until then energy is non-material. And there aren't any known principles for the emergence of irreducible complexity- that is none beyond design.Joe
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#597
You failed to answer the question about why you mentioned measurement at all if it’s not important.
I was responding directly to your original question in #223: “How exactly can information be measured?”
If we can eliminate the concept of measurement, your definition of “information” goes from D2. Information: a) the form of a thing b) a measured aspect c) a measured quality d) a measured preference to D2. Information: The form of a thing.
Three things. Firstly, you now have switched to a different instance of the word “measured” The first was your use in #223, and the second was my use in giving some examples of “the form of a thing”. Secondly, my examples of the “form of a thing” include: 1) a measured aspect. 2) a quality. 3) a preference. Thirdly, “information is the form of a thing” is exactly how I’ve used the term throughout the argument. Information is the form of a thing instantiated in a material medium. I have said that in #122, #134, #223, #223, #241, #243, #252, #259, #271, etc etc. Several of those comments were specifically addressed to you.
You also failed to list all of the open issues: - How exactly can information be measured? - Does information, by your definition, have standard units? - Does your definition correspond to any standard definitions?
I’ve answered this question for the last time, the last time I answered this question.
What is your precise definition of “arbitrary”? Does it correspond to either of the proposed definitions I offered? - Please restate your premise “If there is an arrangement of matter that constitutes information, that arrangement is necessarily arbitrary to the thing to which the information refers.” to clarify exactly what you are trying to communicate. - What does “necessarily arbitrary” mean in that premise?
I’ve given you two examples. The first of these you have yet to address. The second of these you refuse to engage. When you are prepared to engage those examples, I will re-engage this question.Upright BiPed
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#596
Onlooker: Fortunately, I was browsing TSZ before I read this and found that Reciprocating Bill has already answered you:
So, you do not intend on pointing out my misuse of the word (quoted directly from the text in full), is that correct? I can imagine not, given that I used the word, then followed it with the Merriam-Webster definition, then coherently re-stated the original sentence with the definition in place of the word. And this silliness was used as a reason to not engage the content of the argument. Regarding Bill, he was saving face (and continues to do so). His contemporaneous complaints mention nothing whatsoever about nouns and verbs (for crying out loud). If you feel otherwise, you may cut and paste them. Bill sought to idiosyncratically confine the word “entailment” to the product of a thing, not allowing that it also applied to the existence of a thing (which to all rationale readers, is exactly the way I used it). This is pedantic nonsense (definition derby) promoted for the purpose of ignoring the content of the argument. Nonetheless, his position on the matter has already been addressed:
What does he say?
RB: UB, your “entailments” cannot both be a “necessary result” of and “the required material conditions” for the transfer of recorded information.
Really? There are “required material conditions” for the transfer of recorded information, which are sufficient to confirm that such a transfer took place. If such a transfer did in fact take place, then these material conditions will be found as a “necessary result” of that transfer.
To continue this line of pedantic justification is an embarrassment. But apparently that embarrassment has not done the work that it would do in most situations involving most people. So allow me again to give you Bill’s concession in its entirety:
UB: Jun 10 Bill, if a specific thing only exist under specific conditions, then does it existence entail the existence of those specific conditions? Reciprocating Bill: Jun 11 Yes, it does. So that would be a valid use of “entailment.” Not a very useful entailment, however, as you must already know that a phenomenon has both necessary and sufficient conditions, and what they are, before reaching your conclusion that those conditions obtained. But, I take your point.
The first paragraph is a begrudging agreement, and the second paragraph is a positioning statement intended to minimize the effect of that agreement. But please note the third paragraph there: “I take your point”. This is an unambiguous concession by Bill that he agrees with me that the use of the word “entailment” applies equally as well to the existence of a thing, as it does to the product of a thing. He does not mention anything whatsoever about two different uses of a word. He does not mention anything whatsoever about a noun. He does not mention anything whatsoever about a verb. All of that was post hoc rationalization. Please do not ask anyone on the surface of the planet to believe that the man (who tenaciously defended his objection for over two months in front of his colleagues) then wrote a post which included the isolated paragraph “I take your point” but he really meant to say: “While I agree to the above, it has nothing to do with the way you originally mis-used the word”. Give it a rest already.Upright BiPed
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Upright BiPed:
The word “arbitrary” is used in the sense that there is no material or physical connection between the representational arrangement and the effect it evokes (i.e. the word “apple” written on a piece of paper evokes the recall of a particular fruit in an observer, but that recall has nothing whatsoever to do with wood pulp, ink dye, or solvent).
onlooker:
Arbitrary: Not connected by any direct physical mechanism.
Nope. Not even close. onlooker:
Arbitrary: In one configuration of many possible configurations.
Nope. Not even close. These attempts at re-definition can't even be taken seriously. What a joke. No way are you (onlooker) making an honest attempt at clarity.Mung
September 21, 2012
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1) 2 + 3 = 6. 2) RB: No, that is not a valid use of the “+” operator.
LOL! Maybe it's not a valid use of the assignment operator. Maybe it's one of the values that isn't valid, rather than the operator. What a maroon. Even i know that 2 + 3 = 6 evaluates to 5 = 6. Nothing "invalid" about the use of the + operator. Upright BiPed, this is what you were dealing with at TSZ? I fee for you. Well, what can I say, I guess that's in the true Elizabeth Liddle tradition. And then onlooker comes over here and repeats it. Sheesh.Mung
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No one has come close to refuting UB’s thesis after 600 comments.Mung
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onlooker:
Here are the two potential definitions of “arbitrary” that I’ve extracted from what you’ve written in this thread
Does either of them include what Upright BiPed actually wrote?Mung
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What was that definition of insanity? Copy and pasting the same thing over and over expecting a different result?Mung
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Upright BiPed,
Onlooker: What does “necessarily arbitrary” mean in that premise?
The answer first given 454 comments ago:
The word "arbitrary" is used in the sense that there is no material or physical connection between the representational arrangement and the effect it evokes (i.e. the word "apple" written on a piece of paper evokes the recall of a particular fruit in an observer, but that recall has nothing whatsoever to do with wood pulp, ink dye, or solvent).
You are again repeating without clarifying. In response to that statement I offered two potential definitions of "arbitrary" as used in your argument: D3. Arbitrary: Not connected by any direct physical mechanism. or D3. Arbitrary: In one configuration of many possible configurations. Are either of these what you mean? If not, please provide a clear and precise definition.onlooker
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Upright BiPed,
Onlooker: The outstanding questions and issues are: - How exactly can information be measured? - Does information, by your definition, have standard units? - Does your definition correspond to any standard definitions?
The answer given to you 370 comments ago:
A measured content of information is of no consequence here, only the material conditions of the transfer.
You failed to answer the question about why you mentioned measurement at all if it's not important. If we can eliminate the concept of measurement, your definition of "information" goes from D2. Information: a) the form of a thing b) a measured aspect c) a measured quality d) a measured preference to D2. Information: The form of a thing. Is this how you use the word in your argument? If not, please provide a clear and precise definition. You also failed to list all of the open issues: - How exactly can information be measured? - Does information, by your definition, have standard units? - Does your definition correspond to any standard definitions? - What is your precise definition of "arbitrary"? Does it correspond to either of the proposed definitions I offered? - Please restate your premise "If there is an arrangement of matter that constitutes information, that arrangement is necessarily arbitrary to the thing to which the information refers." to clarify exactly what you are trying to communicate. - What does "necessarily arbitrary" mean in that premise? I look forward to your direct responses to those.onlooker
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Upright BiPed,
Onlooker:You used the term incorrectly in one case and Bill called you on it. You then managed to use it correctly and he recognized that. There was no “concession” and to suggest so is either delusional or dishonest.
My usage:
So here we have a series of observations regarding the physicality of recorded information which repeat themselves throughout every form – no matter whether that information is bound to humans, or human intelligence, or other living things, or non-living machines. There is a list of physical entailments of recorded information that can therefore be generalized and compiled without regard to the source of the information. In other words, the list is only about the physical entailments of the information, not its source. I am using the word “entailment” in the standard sense – to impose as a necessary result (Merriam-Webster). These physical entailments are a necessary result of the existence of recorded information transfer. Point out my misuse of the word “entailment”.
Fortunately, I was browsing TSZ before I read this and found that Reciprocating Bill has already answered you:
OK. First, you claim to have presented a definition of the noun "entailment," but instead reproduce a definition of the verb “to entail.” Statements imply or entail. That which is entailed is an "entailment." So much for philosophy by dictionary. Second, you once again conflate cause and result. You state, "These physical entailments are a necessary result of the existence of recorded information transfer" (my emphasis). But you elsewhere (at the moment of your great victory) also claim that "the physical entailments" are necessary and sufficient material conditions for the existence of recorded information.* But your entailments cannot arise both as a result of of the existence of recorded information and be the necessary and sufficient conditions for the existence of recorded information. So the above again exemplifies your muddled understanding of entailment, which I identified in my first post. *As an additional loop in the confusion you claim that to be "a necessary and sufficient material condition" of a phenomenon is not to be a necessary and sufficient cause of that phenomenon. The muddle deepens. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ub-sets-it-out-step-by-step/#comment-433991
I don't intend to keep copying and pasting from TSZ when you're quite able to post over there yourself, but I'm a giving kind of person and thought I'd save you the trouble this time.onlooker
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Onlooker: What does “necessarily arbitrary” mean in that premise?
The answer first given 454 comments ago:
The word “arbitrary” is used in the sense that there is no material or physical connection between the representational arrangement and the effect it evokes (i.e. the word “apple” written on a piece of paper evokes the recall of a particular fruit in an observer, but that recall has nothing whatsoever to do with wood pulp, ink dye, or solvent).
And the first attempt 252 comments ago to engage you in an addiotnal example:
Let’s say you take the genetic symbol C-T-A and put it in your pocket for safe keeping. And tomorrow, you will take it out and run it through a ribosome where it will evoke its specified effect. You can now ask yourself a simple question of logic … can the effect which will not even happen until tomorrow also be the arrangement of matter in your pocket today, even though that effect tomorrow will contain nothing whatsoever that is in your pocket today? Or are these two things necessarily not the same thing?
You have yet to answer.Upright BiPed
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Onlooker: The outstanding questions and issues are: - How exactly can information be measured? - Does information, by your definition, have standard units? - Does your definition correspond to any standard definitions?
The answer given to you 370 comments ago:
A measured content of information is of no consequence here, only the material conditions of the transfer.
Upright BiPed
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Onlooker:You used the term incorrectly in one case and Bill called you on it. You then managed to use it correctly and he recognized that. There was no “concession” and to suggest so is either delusional or dishonest.
My usage:
So here we have a series of observations regarding the physicality of recorded information which repeat themselves throughout every form – no matter whether that information is bound to humans, or human intelligence, or other living things, or non-living machines. There is a list of physical entailments of recorded information that can therefore be generalized and compiled without regard to the source of the information. In other words, the list is only about the physical entailments of the information, not its source. I am using the word “entailment” in the standard sense – to impose as a necessary result (Merriam-Webster). These physical entailments are a necessary result of the existence of recorded information transfer.
Point out my misuse of the word "entailment".Upright BiPed
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