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UD Editors:  No one has come close to refuting UB’s thesis after 129 comments.  We are moving this post to the top of the page to give the materialists another chance.

I take the following from an excellent comment UB made in a prior post.  UB lays out his argument step by step, precept by precept.  Then he arrives at a conclusion.  In order for his argument to be valid, the conclusion must follow from the premises.  In order for his argument to be sound, each of the premises must be true.

Now here is the challenge to our Darwinist friends.  If you disagree with UB’s conclusion, please demonstrate how his argument is either invalid (as a matter of logic the conclusion does not follow from the premises) or unsound (one or more of the premises are false).  Good luck (you’re going to need it).

Without further ado, here is UB’s argument:

1.  A representation is an arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system (e.g. written text, spoken words, pheromones, animal gestures, codes, sensory input, intracellular messengers, nucleotide sequences, etc, etc).

2.  It is not logically possible to transfer information (the form of a thing; a measured aspect, quality, or preference) in a material universe without using a representation instantiated in matter.

3.  If that is true, and it surely must be, then several other things must logically follow. If there is now an arrangement of matter which contains a representation of form as a consequence of its own material arrangement, then that arrangement must be necessarily arbitrary to the thing it represents. In other words, if one thing is to represent another thing within a system, then it must be separate from the thing it represents. And if it is separate from it, then it cannot be anything but materially arbitrary to it (i.e. they cannot be the same thing).

4.  If that is true, then the presence of that representation must present a material component to the system (which is reducible to physical law), while its arrangement presents an arbitrary component to the system (which is not reducible to physical law).

5.  If that is true, and again it surely must be, then there has to be something else which establishes the otherwise non-existent relationship between the representation and the effect it evokes within the system. In fact, this is the material basis of Francis Crick’s famous ‘adapter hypothesis’ in DNA, which lead to a revolution in the biological sciences. In a material universe, that something else must be a second arrangement of matter; coordinated to the first arrangement as well as to the effect it evokes.

6.  It then also follows that this second arrangement must produce its unambiguous function, not from the mere presence of the representation, but from its arrangement.  It is the arbitrary component of the representation which produces the function.

7.  And if those observations are true, then in order to actually transfer recorded information, two discrete arrangements of matter are inherently required by the process; and both of these objects must necessarily have a quality that extends beyond their mere material make-up. The first is a representation and the second is a protocol (a systematic, operational rule instantiated in matter) and together they function as a formal system. They are the irreducible complex core which is fundamentally required in order to transfer recorded information.

8.  During protein synthesis, a selected portion of DNA is first transcribed into mRNA, then matured and transported to the site of translation within the ribosome. This transcription process facilitates the input of information (the arbitrary component of the DNA sequence) into the system. The input of this arbitrary component functions to constrain the output, producing the polypeptides which demonstrate unambiguous function.

9.  From a causal standpoint, the arbitrary component of DNA is transcribed to mRNA, and those mRNA are then used to order tRNA molecules within the ribosome. Each stage of this transcription process is determined by the physical forces of pair bonding. Yet, which amino acid appears at the peptide binding site is not determined by pair bonding; it is determined  by the aaRS. In other words, which amino acid appears at the binding site is only evoked by the physical structure of the nucleic triplet, but is not determined by it. Instead, it is determined (in spatial and temporal isolation) by the physical structure of the aaRS. This is the point of translation; the point where the arbitrary component of the representation is allowed to evoke a response in a physically determined system – while preserving the arbitrary nature of the representation.

10.  This physical event, translation by a material protocol, as well as the transcription of a material representation, is ubiquitous in the transfer of recorded information.

CONCLUSION:  These two physical objects (the representation and protocol) along with the required preservation of the arbitrary component of the representation, and the production of unambiguous function from that arbitrary component, confirm that the transfer of recorded information in the genome is just like any other form of recorded information. It’s an arbitrary relationship instantiated in matter.

Comments
timothya:
After the test the outcome is “determined”...
Regardless of the outcome. Que Sera, Sera
The specific outcome “is determined by” the randomising process...
You should be laughed off this site. No one here at UD has any reason to take anything you say seriously.Mung
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CR: What explanation does ID present as to how this knowledge, found in the genome, was created? Joe: Programmed by the designer(s). CR: ...It’s unclear how your answer and different that saying, “A magician did it”? In other words, you still haven’t explained how the knowledge found in the genome was created. Joe: Nope, it is as vague as it needs to be given the fact that no one knows how to program an organism. I'm not following you. Are you suggesting there can be no explanation for how the knowledge to build biological adaptations, as found in the genome, was created? Joe: And no one can explain how the laws that govern this universe were created. So Steve Hawking sez “They just are (the way they are)” Again, this is unnecessarily vague. We have yet to explain, cannot currently explain in practice or cannot explain in principle?critical rationalist
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gpuccio: Well, the problem is exactly that: how can an “adaptation”, without any intent, generate a system like the one we consider here (information in the DNA gene and its translation by the translation apparatus, both of them linked, in different ways, to a symbolic genetic code)? There is no way to explain that, except by wishful thinking and myth. Please see my comment above. Biological adaptations represent transformations of matter that occur when the requisite knowledge is present. Furthermore, knowledge is independent of anyone's belief. Nor do all conjectures occur in response to a particular problem. Do you have any detailed criticism of the above? Gpuccio: IOWs, a complex plan, including knowledge and intent, was implemented. I cannot "plan" an army of nanobots that kill cancer cells merely because I intend to do so. The transformations of matter that result in nanobots that actually kill cancer cells only occur when the requisite knowledge is present. The origin of that knowledge is the origin of the system of nanobots. To clarify, I'm not asking where the knowledge now in the genome was previously located in some other form, but how the knowledge to adapt matter into biological features was it created. The knowledge of how to build a microprocessor cannot be encoded into 8bit ASCII form before that knowledge has been created. Nor can encoding occur merely because I intend it to occur. The encoding process is a transformation of matter that occurs when the requisite knowledge is present.critical rationalist
August 24, 2012
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It is simple: in tossing a coin, the future outcome is still "undetermined" (could be head, could be tail). After the test the outcome is "determined" (either head or tail happened). The specific outcome "is determined by" the randomising process of tossing the coin. Got it? By the way, I think you are overloading the word "determined".timothya
August 24, 2012
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timothya:
In this case, “random mutation” means a mutation determined by chance (which is covered by the first definition). What’s your problem with that?
Maus != Mung "Determined by Chance" is any Oxymoron. That's my problem with that. Why you would believe that something could be determined by a non-deterministic process escapes me. Care to explain? You're in over your head. Stop. Pause. Take a breath. Think. Reflect. Ask. If it's arbitrary, can it be deterministic?Mung
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steveh:
Loads of information, none designed, none intended, all material, all subject to the laws of physics and certainly not arbitrary.
That's a lot of "not so" packed into a single sentence. How much of it can you actually support? You assert that there is "loads of information." Yet you also assert: 1. No information is intended. 2. All information is material. 3. All information is subject to the laws of physics. 4. No information is arbitrary. You have given no reason to believe you.Mung
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Maus: In this case, "random mutation" means a mutation determined by chance (which is covered by the first definition). What's your problem with that?timothya
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It never ceases to amaze me the positions our opponents are willing to assume to "win" an argument against us.Mung
August 24, 2012
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OK, never-mind. Who needs science and evidence when one can baldly declare evolutioncandoit? Earth to Al- "That which can asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." HitchensJoe
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timothya,
The only arbitrary component arises when random mutations result in a different replicant, or mis-transciption results in a different protein output.
What is "arbitrary" about a random mutation? Surely you do not mean to argue that a random mutation is based on or subject to individual judgment or preference. Surely you do not mean to argue that a random mutation is established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute. Surely you do not mean to argue that a random mutation is not limited by law. I assume you're left with: 1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle. So now you want to argue that random mutations are determined? And this is your argument against the meaning of arbitrary? lol.Mung
August 24, 2012
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timothya @2:
Presumably not 3 or 4.
Why presume? 3 and 4 seem to me to be exactly what Upright BiPed has in mind. Why do you think otherwise?
The only arbitrary component arises when random mutations result in a different replicant, or mis-transciption results in a different protein output.
Oh. So you are familiar with the meaning of arbitrary, when you want to use the term.Mung
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timothya:
I must be a bit dim.
Not necessarily. Typically the "critics" are hardly dim. You should see the arguments that they can construct! Maybe obtuse.
DNA: 1. replicates itself more or less faithfully, except when it mutates at random
DNA does not replicate itself. I won't debate someone who either doesn't know the facts or willingly ignores them.
DNA: 2. transcribes protein sequences via RNAs more or less faithfully based on its specific nucelotide sequence
DNA doesn't transcribe protein sequences. Sheesh.
The information held in the original DNA sequence is preserved through both processes (though it may be modified in both by either base substitution or mis-transcription, which are both observed).
There's information in the DNA sequence? Do tell.
Mung
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Programmed by the designer(s).
This is unnecessarily vague.
Nope, it is as vague as it needs to be given the fact that no one knows how to program an organism.
In other words, you still haven’t explained how the knowledge found in the genome was created.
And no one can explain how the laws that govern this universe were created. So Steve Hawking sez "They just are (the way they are)"Joe
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Also, your #2 seems to be devoid of any relevant observations.
How so? You stated that it's not logically possible to transfer information without encoding it in matter; However generations of philosophers who knew nothing about photons have managed to conduct perfectly logical discussions based on the apparant fact that they could just see the information from afar. Some of them may have suspected some additional matter was involved, but I doubt anyone ever lost an argument for not doing so. Modern physicists tell us that information is carried in photons which sometimes act like particles (i.e matter) and sometimes are more strange. Also people here occasionally argue about Out of Body experiences. Apparently some immaterial soul/spirit/whatever floats out of the body of a technically dead person lying on an operating table, has a leasurely look around the operating theater, notices some object that the dead body below them has no way of seeing and brings knowledge of it back to the body using no apparent physical means. Nobody here tells them that have made a basic logical error, although the materialists amongst us will assume that they dreamt it all up. And a God who doesn't seem to be physically here with us, is often stated to have full knowledge about every thing about us and our surroundings. Is he reliant on photons travelling at the speed of light reaching him in heaven? It strikes me as a materialist as all being a bit silly, but again I don't think it's necessarily logically impossible. As I said, I think you've gone wrong aleady on point 2. You state on each subsequent argument that its truth depends of that of all that came before it. As for the shadow, I agree that my vision system uses a material representation of the shadow on the rock. However you imply in point 4 that a representation always requires an arrangement of matter which is not reducible to physical law. This may be true of my visual system, but I think that the shadow is also a representation of the robber and it is entirely explained by physical law, as are the footprints. That your visual system involves a arguably arbitrary component to see the footprint, does not require that the arrangement of matter in the footprint conveying information about the robber was not reducible to physical law as well. You didn't actually use the word "always" but I think it pretty much implied - otherwise you should have said "which is not (always) reducible to physical law".steveh
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UB: I understand your comment. My point is that the transfer of recorded information can occur when the protocol is present (within a system) as outlined above. 1. A representation is an arrangement of matter which evokes an effect within a system (e.g. written text, spoken words, pheromones, animal gestures, codes, sensory input, intracellular messengers, nucleotide sequences, etc, etc). An arrangement of matter that evokes an effect represents knowledge of how to bring that effect about. For example, I might want to build an army of nanobots that, when injected into a patient, hunt down and kill cancer cells. However, before raw materials could be transformed into said naobots, the requisite knowledge of how to perform that transformation would need to be present. My desire or intention isn't sufficient for this to occur. And, as a person, it's uncontroversial that people exhibit intent. Again, this isn't the case regarding knowledge present in the genome. UB: The argument above is that if the required protocol is instantiated in the system, then the information can be translated from its transcribed state into a functional effect. Again, by knowledge, I’m referring to information which when embedded in a storage medium tends to cause itself to remain there. And, I'm referring to Karl Popper’s definition that knowledge exists independent of anyone’s belief. So, it's unclear why intent must be present to "cause" an particular transformation of matter. For example, if you asked for the knowledge of how to build a car but received the knowledge of how to build a truck instead, the knowledge you possess still builds a truck regardless of what you believe it does. Nor does following the instructions result in a car merely because that's what you intended. CR: Furthermore, this knowledge is explanatory in nature, rather than merely being a useful rule of thumb. UB: I am uncertain of how this impacts the argument. Not all conjectures are intentional. For example, imagine I've been shipwrecked on a deserted island and I have partial amnesia due to the wreck. I remember that coconuts are edible so climb a tree to pick them. While attempting to pick a coconut, one falls, lands of a rock and splits open. Note that I did not intend for the coconut to fall, let alone plan for it to fall because I guessed coconuts that fall on rocks might crack open. The coconut falling was random in respect to the problem I hadn't yet even tried to solve. Furthermore, due to my amnesia, I've hypothetically forgotten what I know about physics, including mass, inertia, etc. Specifically, I lack an explanation as to why the coconut landing on the rock causes it to open. As such, my knowledge of how to open coconuts is merely a useful rule of thumb, which is limited in reach. For example, in the absence of an explanation, I might collect coconuts picked from other trees, carry them to this same tree, climb it, then drop them on the rocks to open them. However, explanatory knowledge has significant reach. Specifically, if my explanatory knowledge of physics, including inertia, mass, etc. returned, I could use that explanation to strike coconut with any similar sized rock, rather than vice versa. Furthermore, I could exchange the rock with another object with significant mass, such as an anchor and open objects other than coconuts, such as shells, use this knowledge to protect myself from attacking wildlife, etc. So, explanatory knowledge comes from intentional conjectures made by people and have significant reach. Non-explanatory knowledge (useful rules of thumb) represent unintentional conjectures and have limited reach. Knowledge can be created without intent in the form of useful rules of thumb. The knowledge of how to build biological adaptations isn't explanatory in nature but a useful rule of thumb.critical rationalist
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CR @35: It is unclear whether you have a sincere question or are simply playing hyperskeptical semantic games due to a philosophical commitment. In order to identify which is the case and allow us to move forward with the discussion, please answer the following question: How was the knowledge in a detailed computer program or database created?Eric Anderson
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Through an interesting turn of events, I was given the opportunity to have an audience with a physicist that many would consider an authority on these specific topics. I can say this with some confidence because his peers have already honored him as such more than once. There is no need in asking for his name because (#1) I do not have his permission to give it and (#2) I wouldn’t anyway. This man is an ardent materialist who was kind enough to review the larger argument I am making here and give me his response to it. I have no intentions of dragging him out to be slaughtered by the ideologues whom have already shown what they will do to anyone who would stain themselves by agreeing with an ID proponent. It’s not going to happen. The reason I bring this up is because I do intend on sharing the first line of his response. However, I would like to take the opportunity to draw a specific contrast. This particular physicist is not the only one which I have encountered with my argument. There have been four or five others. Recently, I spent a little over two months on The Skeptical Zone arguing my case. In the gallery there was a retired physicist. This was my first encounter with this person. In his response to my argument, this physicist prepared himself to brow beat me at every turn. He did little else, which was a disappointment to me because as a non-specialist, I could have used the opportunity to hone my argument if only he was motivated by empiricism instead of ideology. Alas, that was not to be. What I really have taken from this is the UNBELIEVABLE DIFFERENCE that exists in speaking to someone who is actually motivated by evidence. In my exchanges with the physicist mentioned above, I never once had to re-explain (for instance) what “arbitrary “ meant, or any of the other linguistic gymnastic that are required (in fact absolutely necessary) when dealing with the ideologues that troll the Internet. Here is just a tip of the contrast. Below is Mr Elzning’s foray into core of the argument above and some of his last comments made (and trust me, I am being kind by only copying these):
What “representations and protocols” do atoms follow when they condense into stars? What “representations and protocols” do stars follow in building up heavier elements from hydrogen and helium? What “representations and protocols” do stars follow when they the go supernova and throw those new elements out onto space and generate additional heavier elements in the shock waves of the explosion? It’s probably useless to try to make any sense of UB’s word salads – and I am not going to waste time on it … Every important scientific concept in every field of science is mangled beyond recognition in order to “reason” against science When I read that, I see someone who has never had a course in physics or chemistry, let alone biology. He seems to be trying to invent a new vocabulary which, as near as I can tell, is constructed to let in the conclusion of “intelligent design.” The uses of words like “evoke” and “instantiate,” and then suddenly slipping in the word “protocol” are all anthropomorphic characterizations that clearly presume what is eventually going to be concluded
And in contrast, here is the first line in the response from a physicist motivated by evidence, without the emotional requirement to belittle and berate any perceived lesser person who holds a different opinion:
I agree with everything you say, although I often use different terms. I try to stick with the vocabulary of physics as much as possible. This is just one example of the arbitrariness …
Anyone who has ever read David Berlinski’s book “The Devils Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretentions” will recall the preface of that book where David talks about a public feeling oppressed by an ideology which has co-opted the institutions of science as their means. It is not in my particular nature to feel oppressed by a bully ass, but we see it on display all the same.Upright BiPed
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Joe: Programmed by the designer(s). This is unnecessarily vague. For example, before a magic trick can be performed, the explanation of how to perform that trick must be known to the magician who invented it (and passed down to subsequent magicians who perform it). The origin of that knowledge is the origin of the magic trick. In the absence of said knowledge, it would not be a magic trick but actually magic, as the knowledge of how to bring about the desired outcome would have been spontaneously generated. So, It's unclear how your answer and different that saying, "A magician did it"? In other words, you still haven't explained how the knowledge found in the genome was created.critical rationalist
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critical rationalist: It’s uncontroversial that people exhibit intent. As such, it’s uncontroversial that intent plays a role in the explanation of how the list is ordered. However, this isn’t the case regarding adaptations in the biosphere. Well, the problem is exactly that: how can an "adaptation", without any intent, generate a system like the one we consider here (information in the DNA gene and its translation by the translation apparatus, both of them linked, in different ways, to a symbolic genetic code)? There is no way to explain that, except by wishful thinking and myth. What explanation does ID present as to how this knowledge, found in the genome, was created? A very simple explanation. One or more conscious agent planned the system. The symbolic code was chosen arbitrarily, although according to some logical requisites. Then necessary information about required proteins was generated and stored in protein genes, and the transaltion apparatus, including the 20 synthetase proteins, were included in the system. IOWs, a complex plan, including knowledge and intent, was implemented. Please, consider that the fundamental system that manages protein information, stores it in DNA, transcribes it in mRNA, and translates it into proteins by the 20 Synthetases, the tRNAs and the rybosomes, is universal in life. We have no evidence of any kind that life can exist without that.gpuccio
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Hello Larry, Biologists routinely view the information within the genome as only analogous to other forms of information. I have heard it said many times, "when we say 'information' we know what we mean". On the contrary, it can be shown that genetic information follows the same material realities as any other form of information. It requires: "two physical objects (the representation and protocol) [as described above] along with the required preservation of the arbitrary component of the representation, and the production of unambiguous function from that arbitrary component". How these demonstrated realities impact someone’s view depends, of course, on what they started with.Upright BiPed
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LarTanner, as to your question about how does Shannon information characterize mathematically to all of this, this short video, from a guy who works in the communication industry, Perry Marshall, where he talks about on 'shannon channel capacity' (i.e. mathematical theory of communication) and about how Hubert Yockey related DNA and proteins to all this may be of interest to you:
Shannon Information - Channel Capacity - Perry Marshall - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5457552/ “Because of Shannon channel capacity that previous (first) codon alphabet had to be at least as complex as the current codon alphabet (DNA code), otherwise transferring the information from the simpler alphabet into the current alphabet would have been mathematically impossible” Donald E. Johnson – Bioinformatics: The Information in Life
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Thank you GP! I am so happy to see you posting again. Thank you as well to Eric, KF, Joe, BA, and Sal. I’m very grateful for your input.Upright BiPed
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Hello CR,
All logically conceivable transformations of matter can be classified in the following three ways: transformations that are prohibited by the laws of physics, spontaneous transformations (such as the formation of stars) or transformations which are possible when the requisite knowledge of how to perform them are present.
I understand your comment. My point is that the transfer of recorded information can occur when the protocol is present (within a system) as outlined above.
Biological adaptations are transformations of matter of the latter category. Specifically, they occur when the requisite knowledge of how to perform them are present in an organism’s genome.
The source of the information does not change the necessary conditions with regard to the observations. The argument above is that if the required protocol is instantiated in the system, then the information can be translated from its transcribed state into a functional effect.
We can contrast this with, say, automobiles which, unlike biological organisms, do not contain the knowledge to build themselves. Placing a small chunk of metal and rubber in oil does not result in an automobile building itself. Rather, the knowledge of how to build automobiles exists in us and our books (or other storage media). Furthermore, this knowledge is explanatory in nature, rather than merely being a useful rule of thumb.
I am uncertain of how this impacts the argument.
What do I mean by “knowledge”? I’m referring to information which when embedded in a storage medium tends to remain there and is consistent with Karl Popper’s definition that knowledge is independent of anyone’s belief. While they serve many other purposes as well, both brains and DNA act as storage mediums
I am willing to agree to a certain extent, but again, I do not see a relation to the argument above.
What’s unclear is what you mean by arbitrary or it’s relevance. For example, as a software developer, one of the questions I often ask clients is how they want to display data in a list…
I believe your perspective is made clear here. You are talking about making arbitrary choices with regard to a program you write on top of a symbol system. I am talking about the symbol system itself. The fact that the letter “A” can be represented by “1000001” is arbitrary – not inexorable law.Upright BiPed
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LarTanner, DNA is only PART of the communication system.Joe
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What explanation does ID present as to how this knowledge, found in the genome, was created?
Programmed by the designer(s). How is the knowledge, found in computers, created? By the computer programmers.Joe
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What explanation does ID present as to how this knowledge, found in the genome, was created?critical rationalist
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Interesting. DNA in this account is a communication system such as Claude Shannon described in 1948/9, and so it therefore should be able to be characterized mathematically. Surely, characterizations along these lines have been done? As a literature guy, I'm not familiar with professional work in either genetics or math (excepting online/blog pieces that I forget quickly). If such studies have been done, what's the "new thing" we're talking about here and now? I think I'm missing the point. Or is it controversial that DNA acts like a communication system?LarTanner
August 24, 2012
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BTW: the shannon entropy of DNA conventionally is calculated from the general case, not the specific case you cite.
Correction, even this is a generous assumption because it presumes: 1. DNA will exist in the first place 2. DNA will polymerize 3. DNA will be readable and thus likely homochiral 4. There are reading mechanisms that can read a DNA polymer So the actual configurational entropy is far higher than the shannon entropy we usually use to estimate the information content in DNA. Upright's post is spot on.scordova
August 24, 2012
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Without further ado, here is UB’s argument: 1. .....
Perhaps a more succinct way of saying it.
Physical objects which represent information by definition must be physically improbable
Improbable, means from generalized boundary conditions, not specialized boundary conditions like DNA in living organisms.
Timothya: 1. replicates itself more or less faithfully, except when it mutates at random
That is a specialized boundary condition that doesn't take into account the possibility of the living organism existing in the first place that can make DNA. This is conflating general probability with conditional probability. If you compute the probability of polymerized homochiral DNA emerging from a chemical soup, you get a different answer than the probabilities you calculate after a cell is already living and replicating. BTW: the shannon entropy of DNA conventionally is calculated from the general case, not the specific case you cite. The way you calculate the shannon entropy would yield 0 bits per base pair, wherease the mainstream way would calculate 2 bits per base pair. Upright Biped is consistent with the mainstream notions of probability here.scordova
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All logically conceivable transformations of matter can be classified in the following three ways: transformations that are prohibited by the laws of physics, spontaneous transformations (such as the formation of stars) or transformations which are possible when the requisite knowledge of how to perform them are present. Biological adaptations are transformations of matter of the latter category. Specifically, they occur when the requisite knowledge of how to perform them are present in an organism's genome. We can contrast this with, say, automobiles which, unlike biological organisms, do not contain the knowledge to build themselves. Placing a small chunk of metal and rubber in oil does not result in an automobile building itself. Rather, the knowledge of how to build automobiles exists in us and our books (or other storage media). Furthermore, this knowledge is explanatory in nature, rather than merely being a useful rule of thumb. What do I mean by "knowledge"? I'm referring to information which when embedded in a storage medium tends to remain there and is consistent with Karl Popper's definition that knowledge is independent of anyone's belief. While they serve many other purposes as well, both brains and DNA act as storage mediums. What's unclear is what you mean by arbitrary or it's relevance. For example, as a software developer, one of the questions I often ask clients is how they want to display data in a list. Item's can be sorted by one or more specific properties of the data itself, or placed in an arbitrary order. However, since the term "arbitrary" can have different meanings, I often use a hypothetical list of colors to clarify the term. On one hand, colors can sorted alphabetically, by wavelength or even the number of characters. On the other hand, they can also be displayed by one's preference, starting with their favorite color and ending with their least favorite color. The latter represents an arbitrary order. However, once a user arbitrarily orders colors in a list and quits the application, they do not reappear in the order of the users preference on next launch merely because they prefer it. Behind the scenes, I add an additional property (usually an integer or flowing point number) as an index, indicating where the user placed that color in the list. Then, rather than sorting by the colors wavelength or name, I sort by that index property. In other words, the knowledge of the user's preference is embedded in some sort of storage medium and recalled at runtime. In the absence of this knowledge, the list does not reflect the user's preference. It's uncontroversial that people exhibit intent. As such, it's uncontroversial that intent plays a role in the explanation of how the list is ordered. However, this isn't the case regarding adaptations in the biosphere.critical rationalist
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