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We’re not your lab rats any more: Convoy update III

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Updates from February 24, 2022, forward may be found at We’re not your lab rats any more: Convoy update IV

So much news worldwide now. I’ll just keep adding to it, putting new items at the top so you can keep checking back. I will try to group them loosely by topic where possible. This post is stickied for now so news added on other topics is below this post:

Canada February 23, 2022

Breaking: Trudeau has revoked the Emergencies Act:

Trudeau made his announcement while Senate was still in session to debate the use of the Act after the House of Commons voted on Monday to keep it.

Had the vote been rejected against Trudeau’s demands, the Emergencies Act would have been immediately ended. If it passed, it would have been in place for 30 days before returning to another vote in Parliament.

Conceivably, his handlers have told him that Hitler is not a good look and that the Convoy is not a good stand-in for the Reichstag Fire.

Developing …

Hmm: Government to Withhold Classified Information Justifying Emergencies Act From Parliamentary Review Committee — probably because it’s garbage. That may be related to revoking the Act, of course (assuming that’s what’s really happening).

Still developing…

Canada’s Trudeau Revokes Use of Emergencies Act

“There never was an emergency that required these extra-judicial powers,” said Alberta Premier Jason Kenney on Twitter.

“What a humiliation for those who were defending the indefensible 5 minutes ago. Alberta intends to proceed with an application for judicial review of the EA [Emergency Act] invocation to address this abuse of power.”

And, of course, Nova Scotia to Lift All COVID-19 Restrictions in March Thank a trucker and those journalists and others that the police horses trampled and the police beat up. After we are done thanking them, let’s go after the thug culture that made all that okay in Ottawa. Don’t let the perpetrators get away without an accounting. If so, they’ll all be back.

There are rumours of a run on the banks after Trudeau started freezing accounts: “Five of Canada’s largest banks mysteriously went offline this week after the government announced it was freezing assets of people supporting the Freedom Convoy, sparking rumors of a bank run or computer hacking.” That would make sense. People who had any reason to fear that the government was out to get them would want to have a big stash of cash. Note: Think about that when your own government starts to make noises about moving to all-digital currency…

Canada: February 22, 2022

For all you assorted Karens, male and female, who live to see the lockdown, smackdowns, and crackdowns (because what else have you got in your life?):

Thanks for making crystal clear who you are and what you stand for. We shall not forget.

It gets worse: This is what happens when the government pays media, as in Canada: Canadian journalists are enraged at foreign journalists reporting facts on the ground that they refuse to see:

The New York Times reported last weekend that police in Ottawa had arrested protesters at gunpoint, a claim that was quickly challenged and denounced by prominent Canadian journalists.

“This is wrong,” tweeted freelance reporter Justin Ling, who had been covering the police action from Ottawa. CBC News TV host Ginella Massa called the Times headline “false and incredibly dangerous rhetoric” and CBC radio host Piya Chattopadhyay asked “where are you getting this bs from?” …

Yet truckers were indeed arrested by police in Ottawa at gunpoint, says New York Times reporter Sarah Maslin Nir, who shares a byline on the contested piece with colleague Natalie Kitroeff.

“We saw these [arrests] transpire first hand,” Maslin Nir told Canadaland via Twitter DM, “and in addition have multiple interviews from people this happened to, including David Paisley, quoted in the article…what really is blowing my mind is the wave of JOURNALISTS saying we didn’t see what we saw.”

But, of course, Ms. Nir, they aren’t real journalists. If they were, they would want the story themselves instead of trying to suppress it to suck up to the government that pays them.

Also, these are the kinds of politicians you get if you don’t vote:

Lawyers Urge Parliamentarians Not to Pass Emergencies Act Motion, as Senators Debate the Matter Uselessly, probably: The Canadian Senate has little real power.

From the actual medical data stream:

Do Epidemiological Data Support the Case for Vaccine Mandates?

Discrimination on the Basis of Vaccination Status is Unjustifiable

The vaccines do not provide strong and lasting immunity and, consequently, do not stop transmission of the virus.

This allows vaccine-resistant variants to arise and incubate in infected vaccinated people as a result of the inevitable processes of mutation and natural selection. Because infected vaccinated people have peak viral loads that some research has shown to be equal to those of infected unvaccinated people, they transmit the virus efficiently. Because other vaccinated people have similar immune system environments, the vaccine-resistant or -evading variants arising in infected vaccinated people spread easily to other vaccinated people.

Omicron appears to be such a vaccine-resistant or -evading strain. Based on the information from Ontario, the effectiveness of the current vaccines against this variant is, for all intents and purposes, zero. Ontario’s entire population is now effectively unvaccinated. Moreover, it has become impossible to reach herd immunity even with 100 percent vaccination.

But it has certainly become more possible in Ontario to be injured by a police horse or pepper spray…

Punditry Glenn Greenwald lays out how Justin Trudeau’s actions are part of a broader plan to criminalize and crush dissent: For an admirer of Xi sand Castro, that is the route to a better society. Because “Once Western elites realized the depth of rage and contempt for them, they embarked on a strategy to criminalize dissidents and outlaw protest movements.”

United States February 22, 2022

Convoy! It looks like one is getting started in the United States:

At least they know what to expect from the government and the Karens. We’re told, Democrats overwhelmingly approve of Trudeau’s crackdown on freedom protestors, freezing of bank accounts: Poll

Meanwhile, at a university paper, a columnist has been fired for challenging a fellow columnist to debate mask mandates. Progressives don’t want to debate, they want to Cancel the debate. You heard that when it was just ivory tower stuff; now you are seeing it on the ground.

Another toxic environment classic: A physician who alerted the Maryland state medical board about controversial scientist Robert Malone’s alleged promotion of COVID-19 misinformation has been harassed online, faced a retaliatory complaint to his own medical board, and received complaints to his institution after Malone publicly disclosed his identity. Presumably, people have the right to be anonymous complainers if they are the COVID righteous.

On the other hand, one prof survived: Professor protested — but not canceled — for his COVID ‘scamdemic’ syllabus comments

Meanwhile, “A new study from Johns Hopkins University’s Institute for Applied Economics supports what I and others have long maintained: lockdowns do not work, and their economic, social, educational, and psychological costs far outweigh any health benefits they might bring.” But, of course, the people harmed don’t matter and the elite who do matter can, famously, break the rules when they feel like it.

Speaking of which, “School Board Fireworks as Fearless Mom Shows Maskless Photos of Chairwoman and Almost Gets Arrested”

Notice all the empty chairs. That’s what’s REALLY wrong with this picture. Every one should be filled with a parent prepared to canvass the neighbours to vote for Recall of school board members.

Canada: February 21, 2022 pm

Emergencies Act — a form of martial law — now ratified in Canada: Voting Along Party Lines, Canada’s House of Commons Passes Liberal Government’s Emergencies Act Motion. He is talking in terms of keeping it for two to three months:

Predictably, Trudeau Doubles Down on Use of Emergencies Act After Ottawa Protest Cleared: “More than once, he referenced ‘misinformation and disinformation’ in society when discussing justification for his use of the act.” (His next target may well be independent media.)

And of course: Ottawa police block independent press from filming inside perimeter. Police prevented Alexa Lavoie from entering inside their perimeter to film, but granted exceptions to state-funded reporters. Lavoie was also reportedly physically attacked by Ottawa police

Not surprisingly, Ottawa Mayor Says Can Sell Protest Trucks Using Emergencies Act; Freeland Affirms Cities Have Certain Powers.

Emergencies Acts will be a boon to free-spending, cash-strapped governments because they will give them powers to seize and sell the private assets of persons who have transgressed whatever rules the governments make.

Expectedly: Lawyers Concerned About Ottawa Police’s Threat of Criminal Prosecution of Those ‘Involved in This Protest’

Unexpectedly: Group Involved in Ottawa Protest Asks Court to Halt Federal Use of Emergencies Act: “In submissions to the Federal Court on Feb. 18, Canadian Frontline Nurses (CFN) and its member Kristen Nagle are seeking an injunction to stay the Liberal government’s use of the Act and associated measures while their full case plays out in court… The group said they are opposed to unreasonable COVID-19-related mandates and restrictions that have been implemented by various levels of Canadian governments, and they want a court declaration that Ottawa strayed beyond its jurisdiction in declaring a state of emergency on Feb. 14, saying the move was unconstitutional.”

Punditry:

The Spectator sure got this one right: Trudeau’s totalitarian turn: The Canadian PM is desperate for his own 6 January moment

Judging by his behaviour, Trudeau has been hoping for some kind of violence ever since the truckers’ movement started. He needed something, anything that could serve as a Canadian 6 January moment so as to arrogate even more dictatorial powers than Canada’s existing state of emergency allowed. But despite constant provocation, truckers gave him nothing to work with. Even the efforts of Canada’s finest state-subsidised creative writers (the mainstream media) couldn’t spin this thing — in all its bouncy-castle, dance-party, hot-tubbified glory — into a believable insurrection.

As it happens, the Convoys will likely be punished, in part, all the more severely for not providing Trudeau with his glory moment. It’s all the working class are really good for in the elite view.

At Spiked Online, Brendan O’Neill focuses on another factor fuelling the government’s undisguised hatred of the Convoys: Woke activists who turned out to oppose the Convoy started shouting about transgender rights:

‘I don’t think they are at the right protest’, said one observer. Memes emerged, saying: ‘Truckers: Freedom for all! Counter-protest: Trans rights are human rights. Truckers: What??’ What indeed. And yet, at another level, at a deeper level, this weird, disjointed counter-revolt against the ‘revolting’ truckers actually makes sense. For what we had here was the shrill, noisy reassertion of high-status opinion against the supposedly low-status demands of the truckers for more freedom and better working conditions. This was the correct-thinking set staking its moral authority over the irritated truckers; the upper-middle-class guardians of approved ‘progressive’ thought pushing back against a pesky, old-fashioned, grassroots demand for liberty and respect. There was at least a semi-conscious element to this spectacular non-sequitur on the streets of Ottawa – the elite counter-revolters were essentially saying that identity is now more important than class, that issues like trans rights now thoroughly trump workers’ rights, and that being ‘left-wing’ no longer means supporting the masses against the state, but rather is about reprimanding the masses for their supposed wrongthink and siding with the state against the people…

In other words, that strange ‘trans rights’ counter-protest captured a larger truth about the truckers’ uprising. Which is that wokeness has enabled the Canadian state’s exceptionally intolerant and violent assault on this working-class uprising.

Indeed, O’Neill notes, it is largely progressives who have sanctioned state tyranny against the working class, with whom they no longer even try to empathize.

The Emergencies Act is shaping up as the beginning of a Chinese-style social credit system, says David Sacks,

Banks, according to this new order, have a “duty to determine” if one of their customers is a “designated person.” A “designated person” can refer to anyone who “directly or indirectly” participates in the protest, including donors who “provide property to facilitate” the protests through crowdfunding sites. In other words, a designated person can just as easily be a grandmother who donated $25 to support the truckers as one of the organizers of the convoy.

Because the donor data to the crowdfunding site GiveSendGo was hacked—and the leaked data shows that Canadians donated most of the $8 million raised—many thousands of law-abiding Canadians now face the prospect of financial retaliation and ruin merely for supporting an anti-government protest.

Already, a low-level government official in Ontario was fired after her $100 donation came to light. A gelato shop was forced to close when it received threats after its owner was revealed to have donated to the protest. On Wednesday, Justice Minister David Lametti went on Canadian television to say the quiet part aloud, namely that anyone contributing to “a pro-Trump movement” should be “worried” about their bank accounts and other financial assets being frozen.

When these protestors or those that supported them end up in financial hardship because they lose their job, business, or bank account, what will happen to those who try to help them? Will Canadian financial institutions be forced to play Six Degrees of Deplorables? The fear of being ensnared in the dragnet will surely have a chilling effect on the commercial prospects of those suspected of “unacceptable views,” creating a caste of untouchables whom no one will dare to transact with or help.

One hopes few delude themselves that once such a system is in place, it will stay with the Convoys. Many people disagree with the government on many things. The pickings will be rich, once they can be demonized.

Canadian journalist Jonathan Kay reminds us,

But Trudeau’s extreme rhetoric does have an audience. In fact, it’s very much in tune with the apocalyptic narrative about the protest that’s been crowdsourced over the last few weeks by thousands of influential Canadian public figures. Many journalists, in particular, have convinced themselves that the Ottawa protest signalled a sort of white supremacist political revolution. And it is this social panic, not the question of whether an increasingly discredited Trudeau cobbles together another minority government in the next election, that concerns me most…

In fact, as an eastern Canadian urbanite who’d initially bought into the idea that the convoy was basically just a means for western yahoos to spread an anti-vaxxer message, I was pleasantly surprised by how moderate and multicultural the whole thing turned out to be. In Toronto, the convoy’s supporters held a massive street rally that featured, among other amazing sights, Sikhs blasting Bhangra music while holding aloft Canadian flags and hockey sticks.

But the media people believe what they need to believe to justify their position, which is no longer conveying news to the people but helping the government shape a narrative it needs.

Kay offers some interesting embeds:

This vid says it all about their (in)ability of the government-funded media to even want to get the story:

More Kay:

Trudeau’s former right-hand man, Gerald Butts, told Canadians they were witnessing an “insurrection,” and then gushed enthusiastically over the doxing of those who’d given money to protesters. The claim went around that references to truck horns comprise a form of Nazi salute, since the term “honk honk” is a stand-in for “Heil Hitler.” (Naturally, a columnist wrote that we need to ban horns altogether.) Doctors tweeted out invented claims that protesters were running around attacking medical workers. An Edmonton journalist dramatically announced that he was taking the identifying corporate stickers off his car because he feared being set upon by feral yobs (though he couldn’t have been too scared, as he included photos of his car in his announcement). At one point, the CBC devoted a whole story to two Indigenous women who stayed inside their Ottawa apartments because they were terrified of going outdoors lest they be set upon by racist violence—this despite the fact that Indigenous drummers had led the Ottawa protest corps in a rendition of O Canada.

One gets the impression that the Woke don’t so much care about Indigenous people as that they hate working class people.

Canadian media figures were also complicit in spreading ridiculous hoax stories:

Kay concludes: “If those imaginary “insurrectionists” ever do show up, it’s hard to imagine they could do more to harm this country than the progressive hysterics who claim to be protecting it.”

Public intellectual Jordan Peterson and senior Canadian journalist Rex Murphy discussed the situation recently:

Canadian commentator Mark Steyn writes:

At the suggestion of some Steyn Clubbers, I caught this discussion between Jordan Peterson and Rex Murphy. I have been watching Mr Murphy on telly for almost as long as I can remember, but for the first time ever I barely took in a word he was saying because his ashen devastated face seemed to be telling the story just as profoundly. The programme was called “The Catastrophe of Canada” and it was etched into the visages of both guest and host. As I’ve been saying, and as Ms Freeland confirms, things are moving very fast.

United States, February 21 2022

Finally, an American gets it:

Trudeau’s dangerous not just because he’s abusing Canadians, but because he is providing the wish list for crackdowns by Democrats in the U.S.: “every single bank, credit union, investment broker and insurance provider in the country has been deputized to figure out if they have a blockader as a client, and to immediately freeze their accounts if so.” “The goal is not just to crush political dissent, it’s to crush the opposition’s spirit by depriving them of their livelihoods, ability to survive financially, and even taking their pets*.

(*Euthanasia was an implicit threat in that case because the Ottawa Humane Society has the power to do that with animals it gains control of.)

It’s not something about Canada. It’s something about who you and your neighbours vote for, if you bother to vote.

Now U.S. health bureaucrats are changing definitions to do damage control about the delay in children’s development due to the COVID crazy.

For the first time in decades, the CDC has changed many of the recognized milestones for childhood development in terms of speech and cognitive functions. These markers are considered important in terms of recognizing when children aren’t progressing quickly enough, suggesting the potential need to determine if some sort of impairment is being observed and if the child may require greater medical attention. The curious thing about the changes instituted by the CDC is that in a majority of the cases, they have lowered the standards rather than raising them.

Also: “One of the authors of this study, Jennifer M. Zubler, said that the changes were made to the guidelines ensure that it reflects milestones that at least 75 percent of children can reach. Since children are no longer able reach these previously attainable milestones, they have been lowered.”

Karen likes seeing toddlers in cute little masks, trying to form words when they can’t see anyone’s lips moving. That makes it all worthwhile, right?

A U.S. senator, Rand Paul, offers: “If I could, I would give the truckers some bitcoin.”

That bring us to another shift: Bitcoin is starting to seem like a reasonable idea to many (provided it can be made government-proof):

But some warn, Bitcoin can’t help: “In fact, the IRS is already imposing reporting requirements on crypto exchanges, demanding that users verify their identity or have their accounts restricted. Signed into law in November 2021, HR 3684 extends cash reporting requirements to digital currency exchanges, and those exchanges have already started to require increased compliance. In other words, if you aren’t operating directly on the blockchain, crypto is really no different than any other type of banking.”

Meanwhile, a change in political alignments: The Right Is Starting to Represent Workers Outside of Unions:

Rubio and Banks argue that many Americans don’t want to join a union, but do want a collective voice at work and should have a legal path to getting it.

Their argument prompted loud criticism from several prominent voices on the political left, who dismissed the proposal as a bad-faith effort to undercut American workers. This is odd, given that new options for voice and representation are exactly what workers say they want.

If so, it makes sense. Progressives no longer mainly represent workers; they mainly represent civil servants. Workers who want freedom will be seen and portrayed by leftists as “white supremacists,” even if they are, like the lady with the walker who got mowed down by a horse, Mohawks or belong to another Indigenous nation. The progressive term of art is “white adjacent,” meaning that they value freedom and human dignity as much as white people are, lamentably, supposed to do and feel that they have the right to demonstrate for it.

In the background, US Agencies Quietly Studying Reports of Post-Vaccination Neurological Issues

The last word this time out is from Canuck in the Coal Mine:

Or anyway, more practically, look to your defenses.

Canada February 21, 2022

The Convoy is going to peacefully (as always) withdraw from Ottawa rather than continue to expose people to being punching bags for police. Then there’s the government’s hit jobs:

The ruling class in Canada are hoping that people will somehow unsee this:

A U.S. House rep is introducing a bill to offer asylum to Canadian truckers. ““Just as we provide asylum for political prisoners, we should do the same for truckers who have been subjected to violence, had their property confiscated, and their bank accounts frozen by a government that is quickly becoming the embarrassment of the free world,” Herrell said in a statement on Twitter on Saturday.”

So “Karen”’s gloat in the combox below that the truckers might lose their licenses may not matter so much. Everyone needs truckers now. Most goods can’t be sent by the internet.

The Ottawa Convoy might want to consider the Victoria option. Jam the roadways waving flags. Every few times people do that, another one of Mask Karen’s Crazies gets relaxed. Yes, Karen is in catfits. But the guys who really make the decisions — and are indifferent both to her catfits and to citizens’ well-being — see votes going elsewhere, come next election. = Hmm. Maybe kids shouldn’t be made to keep the masks on outside at recess and forbidden from playing with those outside their Social Bubble… Will that pacify the gutter dwellers out there… ?

Meanwhile, as Canadian commentator Mark Steyn observes, “Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s ever more sinister and ghoulish Deputy Prime Minister (and simultaneous board member of Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum), is quite upfront about making “emergency” powers permanent:”

Chickens. Starting. Come. Home. Roost.

Karen has far more assets than some single mom in a smalltown. Any time Karen steps out of line, finding herself somehow on the wrong side of some insane Woke persecution or something… karma!

And:

Straight talk in the House of Commons about the real emergency now in Canada:

The real emergency is that Karen is out of control, there are millions of her, and she is bearing down hard on people who actually know how to live, given a chance.

Perhaps significantly: The willing self-degradation of government-funded legacy media, shown most ripely in this Convoy confrontation, may be filtering down to average people. Expect the internet-literate (an increasing number) to abandon the historic legacies even more as the problem becomes glaringly obvious: It’s one thing to be paid by a tycoon who doesn’t care what you write if you’re still profitable. It’s another to be paid by a government that does care and just expects you to write what Trudeau needs:

Punditry:

From the Wall Street Journal editorial board:

Mr. Trudeau justifies the “public-order emergency” by inflating the protest into a terrorist plot to overthrow government. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association disagrees and sued Thursday. It says the standards for an emergency—“threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property” that “seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians” beyond “the capacity or authority of a province to deal with it”—are not met.

Protests aren’t emergencies, and Western leaders had better get used to handling civil disobedience firmly without traducing civil liberties. Mr. Trudeau criminalized a protest movement, deputizing financial institutions, without due process or liability, to find and freeze personal accounts of blockaders and anyone who helps them. These extraordinary measures are a needless abuse of power. . . .

Weak responses to civil disobedience have hurt Canada for years. New gas pipelines are increasingly stymied by blockades, often by green or aboriginal activists. On Thursday men wielding axes attacked a pipeline drill site and its workers in British Columbia. That’s worse than anything the truckers have done. Via Instapundit

Perhaps the Wall Street Journal editors are politely pretending not to know that the axe-wielders are the militia of progressive government, thus largely exempt from crackdowns. The Convoy is a menace because it represents the dreaded insistence on accountable government.

From the New York Post: Justin Trudeau’s Canadian injustice is just a naked grab for power. Yes. And it’s not lost on the elite where you live, guys. Already, they are probably thinking about all the things they can make you do on pain of losing everything…

“You need not go to war. War is coming to you.”

Canada February 20, 2022

Victoria Convoy on February 19, 2022

Yesterday, I (O’Leary for News) went down to the local Convoy again here in Victoria.

For those just joining us, Victoria, the capital city of the westernmost Canadian province British Columbia (BC), is a small city on the southern tip of Vancouver Island, just off the coast.

I reported on the Convoy on January 5 from roughly the middle of the stream, then later on January 12 from where it first began to form way up at Douglas and Saanich (search on “Victoria” below for details).

Yesterday, I took a route that brought me right down to the Legislative Assembly, where the Convoy turns around and heads back up Douglas.

It’s a typical Convoy of the sort that is helping to force governments to abandon COVID Crazy rules across Canada. Take notes; you may need to do the same where you live.

As before, it was a huge parade of cars and SUVs draped in Canadian flags, honking horns, laughing and shouting. I saw only a few rigs. Makes sense; we can pack more people into cars and more cars into the same road space.

Many pedestrians were displaying or even wearing Canadian flags. One driver had painted her car to look like one. A clown, dressed in what appeared to be a flag, was blowing enormous bubbles out of a giant soap bubble contraption, to amuse children. Many drivers and pedestrians had brought their dogs.

A number of police were standing around chatting because there was really nothing for them to do. It’s not illegal to honk horns in general. (What if the Vancouver Canucks won the Stanley Cup in hockey? There’d be honking all night.) Nor is it illegal to display Canadian flags or create a traffic jam on account of numbers alone.

Note: The traffic jam was due to stoplights, not because the bumper to bumper traffic was doing an intentional slow roll.

I observed no hostility and the only bad language was on signs referencing Justin Trudeau.

Almost no one on the sidewalk offered any opposition and many people were smiling quietly to themselves.

Opposing views

The British Columbia government had, just days earlier, relaxed the ban on social interactions. So I got to hear some opposite views I don’t usually encounter. It was disquieting, to say the least.

Some expressed a great deal of anger over the idea that the Convoys want Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to resign. That, they felt, merits a harsh crackdown.

Well, the harsh crackdown is certainly happening in Ottawa (scroll down) but it’s not likely to make Trudeau’s position more stable. He has helped put his party underwater in the polls. Stories about people getting trampled by police horses will only help him with individuals whose support he could not decently want.

But wait. There’s a bigger point here. I can write to Trudeau myself and request him to resign. I can get (probably could get, at this point) 6,000 people to sign the letter. And — at least in Canada as I have known it for over 70 years — no one can do a thing about that, nor is it considered problematic or treasonable. Trudeau can ignore the letter, though he would be wiser to pay attention to the numbers.

The Convoy participants are free to do the same thing, individually or collectively.

And yet some people who have lived here all their lives are astonished to realize that?

In some ways, the Convoy is thus illuminating a historically significant divide between people who would settle comfortably into totalitarian rule and people who are used to traditional freedoms and will peaceably defend them.

Meanwhile, “On Wednesday The Mark Steyn Show delved further into Trudeaupian totalitarianism. Jacob Wells, founder of GiveSendGo, joined Mark to reveal that it was an individual with close connections to Canadian intelligence services who hacked into his site, and then made the names of donors to the truckers available to the media for doxing”:

Also from Steyn: “Freedom”‘s Just Another Word for …er, ” White Supremacism:

In any previous Canadian media environment, it would be the behaviour of the Mounties that would be abnormal and under scrutiny. But physical lockdown seems to have inculcated in the citizenry a psychological lockdown that will be far harder to lift. So, on the CBC’s Cross-Country Check-Up (a show once hosted by Rex Murphy), the word “freedom” is now suspect.

It’s suspect mainly among progressives and their followers, actually. Worldwide, the Canadian flag is becoming a symbol of freedom but — in a historically remarkable development— the symbol does not represent the government of Canada or its government-funded media minions but those of the people of Canada who oppose them.

And all we “convoy” Canadians ever say is, use our flag — if you want — for creative, non-violent demonstrations against the COVID Crazy. Please remember, many of your neighbours are still cowering in government-induced terror and be kind to them. They can’t help what they have been subjected to. We’ll deal with that later.

Our main point is, countries belong to the peoples of those countries, not to assorted pols, crats, tyrants, minions, etc., for whom the people are either lab rats or an impediment in the drive for absolute power and zero human environment footprint.

To sum up: Our flag’s appeal, as currently understood, is for those who do not share the progressive totalitarian vision of humanity.

Now some fun with Brit comic Russell Brand:

Exit: Here’s a disgusting attempt at National Geographic to defend masking schoolkids. Rethink your science subscriptions.

Canada, February 19, 2022 pm

Justin Trudeau’s idea of keeping people safe:

LEAKED RCMP MESSAGES: “Time for the protesters to hear our jackboots on the ground”

In what appear to be authentic screenshots of the RCMP Musical Ride team currently in Ottawa to assist in the crackdown on peaceful protesters in the capital city, members brag about using brutal force.

Over the last 24 hours in Ottawa, police have deployed pepper spray and canisters on demonstrators, arrested dozens and trampled two people with horses.

Rebel News’ Alexa Lavoie was brutally struck with a baton, shot at close range with a pepper canister which then broke, burning her face and eyes.

In the chat, RCMP Musical Ride member, Andrew Nixon sends a picture of a pint of beer hoping for his chance to abuse protesters:

I’ve always loved the Musical Ride but now think it should be disbanded. – O’Leary for News

Alberta to File Court Challenge Against Ottawa’s Use of Emergencies Act, Kenney Says

Here’s a live stream of a Convoy in Quebec:

Leaving you with this thought from an American:

U.S. February 19, 2022

Montana attorney general launching investigation into GoFundMe for shutting down Freedom Convoy

The platform then state it would redistribute the funds, but did not provide automatic refunds to donors until widespread outrage on social media forced the company to revise its position.

[Montana Attorney General Austin] Knudsen told the publication that he wants to know why GoFundMe wanted to appropriate funds from donors without their permission and wants to investigate whether the company has done so in the past.

Yes, that’s what should attract the attention of investigators. When people have that cavalier an attitude to money given to them in trust, there’s a good chance that there is way more corruption underneath. Maybe not but… let’s see.

Meanwhile, Boston abruptly lifts vaccine mandate “Boston’s new mayor, Michelle Wu, took the city by surprise yesterday when she announced that Beantown’s requirement for proof of vaccination to enter most indoor businesses was being lifted “immediately.” This was particularly good news for bars and restaurants in the city which have struggled to enforce the mandate and seen their customer traffic (and profits) tanking over the course of the pandemic.”

Vaccine mandates are being abandoned “across America”:

But, and this is going to be one of the bigger challenges now: MSNBC Reporter Admits Democratic Base Doesn’t Want to Go Back to ‘Normal’:

A recent poll showed a whopping 65% of Democrats who believe it “too early to rescind mask mandates” as opposed to just 20% of Republicans who think that way.

Seitz-Wald is correct. Urban Democrats especially have taken mask-wearing to a whole other level, making the kind of mask you wear sort of like gang colors. That’s not an easy identifier to lose under any circumstances.

In fairness, not all are Virtue signallers; many have been just plain terrified for years by irresponsible context-free propaganda. Getting them out of the cult will not be easy.

Apparently, a writer lost a column at Forbes: for talking about Fauci’s salary: “It’s an unchallengeable fact that the Sun appeared over the horizon this morning. It’s also a fact that Dr. Anthony Fauci is paid more than any other federal employee, ever. Publish the former in Forbes, hey, no problem. But if your name is Adam Andrzejewski and you publish the latter fact on the digital pages of Forbes, you get terminated by spineless editors who fear offending the powerful in government.”

Hmm. Americans might be well advised to worry less about Justin Trudeau and more about what is happening where they live. It’s ripening; it’s just not quite ripe yet.

Canada, February 19, 2022

BREAKING: Rebel News journalist Alexa Lavoie attacked by Ottawa police: “Rebel News CEO Ezra Levant has spoken with Alexa and with legal counsel. We will sue the police on Alexa’s behalf.”

Disturbing live feed.

Breaking: Turns out the lasting image of the Freedom Convoy protest at Parliament Hill will not be bouncy castles but that of a woman with a walker being trampled by a police horse.

But that was not the only troubling incident.

Another saw a protester behind a police line repeatedly being smashed with an officer’s rifle.

And convoy organizer Benjamin Dichter also told the Toronto Sun “one of drivers had his truck windows smashed by Ottawa Police (with) guns drawn and (he was) dragged out of his vehicle by force.” – Joe Warmington

And yet, while noisy, they had never been violent.

Warmington, an actual journalist in a sea of poseurs, is making enquiries, noting “No matter how it’s spun at the end of the day, a majority of these protesters merely didn’t want to take a vaccine, parked illegally, honked their horns and disobeyed Trudeau. It’s not enough to hurt them.”

Yes it is, if you want an authoritarian naturalist atheist state.

Thank you, combox Darwinians, for making clear what sort of system you actually support.

Canada, February 18, 2022

Hundreds of Police Determined to Break Ottawa Protesters

Mounted Police Knock Protesters Down, as Over 100 Are Arrested in Ottawa

Ez Levant: The protesters are resisting passively.

They fired the Ottawa Police chief the other day. No reasons given. I think I know why — he wasn’t prepared to get violent against peaceful protesters

So the new chief will follow orders. He’ll do whatever needs doing.

Like cancelling Parliament.

How is this going to end? Well, the protesters are offering passive resistance. They’re not fighting. They’re doing it the way Mahatma Gandhi did it — just not cooperating. Just not obeying — but not resisting. They’ll be charged. They’ll be abused. And given how the courts have been these past two years, I’m sure this latest, most outrageous assault on our liberties will be upheld by the authorities — and the media party will write a false history of it, how Trudeau and his brave police saved the country from the bouncy castles.

Yeah. We went into a national emergency for that.

What’s the point of Parliament, if this was done without waiting? What’s the point of an opposition, if they agreed to flee when police told them to flee.

What’s the point of a media if they are cheerleaders of the regime.

The significance of the House of Commons fleeing the scene is coverred by Mark Steyn here:

Canada’s descent into banana republic (the banana being the one in Trudeau’s pants when he does his blackface “Day-o” routine) continues hour by hour: Today was the day the House of Commons was required by statute to give legislative endorsement to his “emergency” but instead Parliament is “closed” for a police operation related to the “emergency”. So implementation of Trudeau’s “emergency” has made it impossible to give legal approval of his “emergency”.

The Opposition voluntarily fled so it would appear that Trudeau does not need Parliament’s approval.

Meanwhile, Canadian columnist and commentator Andrew Lawton has been pepper sprayed

Bakery facing threats and harassment over leaked convoy donation:

Employees at a Burlington, Ontario bakery are being harassed online and at their place of business after it was revealed that one of the owners donated to the Freedom Convoy fundraiser…

“The staff on shift at the time were all young women, girls basically under the age of 25, so for a man to come in and aggressively verbally assault our staff members is shocking.” …

The owners’ donation to the Freedom Convoy was publicly linked to the business on Monday after hackers illegally obtained and leaked a list of all donors who gave through a GiveSendGo fundraiser… Anonymous Twitter accounts immediately began doxxing convoy donors, and prominent members of the legacy media and the Liberal Party of Canada were sharing the illegally hacked materials online.

No, it is not shocking. It is the laptop class’s Canada coming into full bloom. The big prize, of course, is the United States.

Seizing the Convoy’s pets is threatened:

My (O’Leary for News’s) experience with the Ottawa Humane Society is that, under normal circumstances, they try not to euthanise animals. But who knows where zeal to please the government may lead them, once animals are “relinquished”?

and

Convoy protesters link arms to prevent Ottawa police from arresting lone trucker.

Some commentators (and commenters) raise the fact that violent protest is tolerated in Canada. For example, ‘Masked and violent attackers’ armed with axes and flare guns attack Coastal GasLink drill site in BC. “The alleged attackers, whom the Royal Canadian Mounted Police say engaged in a “violent confrontation with employees of Coastal GasLink” also assaulted attending police officers, injuring one.”

Axe-Wielding Assailants: In Handling Long-Running BC Pipeline Protests Vs Ottawa Anti-Mandate Protests, the Double Standard Is Obvious “Millions of dollars in damage were wrought in the attack on the Coastal GasLink (CGL) site and a police officer was injured. Security personnel were threatened by axe-wielding assailants while trees were downed across the road and traps were placed in order to block police from attending the scene. With such a bold and dangerous attack, it is fortunate that nobody was killed.”

No, wait. It is not a double standard. The axe-wielders are the militia of the internationalist laptop class. The laptoppers don’t like oil even though Canada’s prosperity depends on selling natural resources. So their axe-wielders will be largely ignored and forgiven. It is only those who stand against the laptop class who are treated as a crisis.

While tens of millions of dollars from foreign sources have been pumped into environmental groups opposing pipeline projects, there has been no effort on the part of the government to track and seize those funds, much less the bank accounts of the donors.

Remember, it is an internationalist laptop class. They and their foreign friends like playing with Canada and Canadians. The Convoys have done the unthinkable in actually confronting them. And it won’t be the laptoppers’ fault if the Convoys and anyone who supports them doesn’t pay dearly.

Punditry:

An American observer at Reason comments:

Part of Canada’s problem is that the country has rarely seen large numbers of people take to the streets in opposition to government actions. As a consequence, officials and some members of the public are wigging out over what would cause people elsewhere to shrug.

“By the standards of mass protests around the world, the ‘Freedom Convoy’ snarling Downtown Ottawa ranks as a nuisance,” The New York Times editorial board pointed out last week. “The number of protesters, about 8,000 at their peak, is modest; there have been no serious injuries or altercations, the truckers stopped blaring their horns after residents got a temporary court injunction against them.”

But that’s not how the country’s government sees it. After first going into hiding while issuing snarky communiques about the “unacceptable views” of Freedom Convoy protesters opposed to vaccine mandates and lockdowns, Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act for the first time ever against those he not long ago characterized as a “small fringe minority.”

Maybe. But some think that if Americans try convoying for freedom from mandates, masks, and lockdowns, they will face the laptoppers’ goon squad too. We shall see.

At Spiked: The truckers’ protests have exposed liberals as authoritarians and leftists as enemies of the working class:

It’s a terrifying development for a country that calls itself a democracy to use such excessive means to quash dissent. Even going by Canada’s own laws, Trudeau’s invocation of the Emergencies Act is surely unconstitutional, as it requires a ‘national emergency’ so serious that it cannot be resolved by any other means. Trudeau has not met with the truckers even once to attempt to defuse the situation, so how could he possibly know that he couldn’t resolve the emergency any other way?

Actually, It’s been a long while since leftists represented the working class. Mostly, they represent civil servants. Huge political realignments may be expected in decades to come.

At Spectator:

An op-ed in the Washington Post about the Canadian truckers’ protest tells us that the idea of freedom is “White” with a capital W and that the truckers’ belief in freedom is “a key component of White supremacy.” This is about as sensible as saying that the idea of gravity is “English” or that the Post reports the news. True, Newton’s apple fell in England and the Post looks like a newspaper, but gravity is universal. The same goes for stupidity, though that takes many forms, and for the impulse to be free, though that too takes many forms, some of them stupid.

In fairness to the author of the op-ed, “a white PhD student at private Ivy League university,” it has likely never occurred to him that the Canadian proletariat (who are mostly white, now that he mentions it), should expect to be free, like he is. So he interprets the story in the only way he knows how. And the problem isn’t the stupidity, actually, it is the viciousness.

At The Stream: “Enough Already With the Swastika Comments” The swastikas were, of course, intended as an insult to Trudeau’s government (a poorly chosen tactic on the part of those who used the emblem):

But that didn’t stop the Foreign Policy website from claiming, “Not unlike the U.S. Capitol riot, the movement has attracted a diverse array of self-described patriots waving Canadian flags alongside Confederate battle flags, swastikas, symbols related to the Quebec sovereignty movement, and QAnon conspiracy banners.”

What a misleading and exaggerated picture, whether or not one supports the Convoy. A much different picture is painted by Pastor Jim Garlow here, as Christian truckers were singing Martin Luther’s famous hymn, “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God.”

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Note: It’s possible that the people at Foreign Policy, who face no penalties for getting it wrong, assumed that the Fleurdelise flag of Quebec or various fleur-de-lis emblems for an explicitly separatist emblem.

Nigel Farage’s view:

At The Stream: When Trudeau said he admired China, Canadians should have believed him.


United States February 18, 2022

Capitol Girding for Potential Trucker Protest at State of Union “In a statement Friday, the Capitol Police said local, state and federal law enforcement agencies as well as the District of Columbia National Guard are “aware of plans for a series of truck convoys” arriving in the city around the time of Biden’s March 1 address and are coordinating security planning.”

Given current economic woes, the administration should probably welcome the distraction but that would depart from the Narrative.

EXCLUSIVE: ‘The People’s Convoy’ Heading to Washington, Organizers Unveil Their Plans “At the start of the convoy, an estimated 500 to 1,000 trucks will gather [at the Barstow area in California] and depart eastward for Kingman, Arizona. The next morning, they will depart from that location and head east on Interstate 40 toward Lupton, Arizona. On Feb. 25, they plan to arrive at Glenrio, Texas… Multiple groups will be joining the convoy as they drive toward the capital.”

Punditry:

When spreading ‘misleading narratives’ becomes a crime:

Meanwhile, south of the border, President Joe Biden’s Department of Homeland Security has issued a “National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin”, suggesting that if a citizen opposes mask and vaccine mandates, they may be a “domestic violent extremist”.

According to the bulletin, released earlier this month, the United States is experiencing a “heightened threat environment”. It warns that “threat actors seek to exacerbate societal friction to sow discord and undermine public trust in government institutions to encourage unrest, which could potentially inspire acts of violence.”

In describing the sorts of “false or misleading narratives” that could motivate people to commit violent acts, the bulletin lists “widespread election fraud” at the 2020 election, and the perceived harms of “5G cellular technology”.

The DHS dispatch likewise cautioned that “COVID-19 mitigation measures — particularly COVID-19 vaccine and mask mandates — have been used by domestic violent extremists to justify violence since 2020 and could continue to inspire these extremists” to carry out attacks.

Americans may be closer than they think to where their cherished civil rights are confetti. It’s not just Canada.

All Sides Alert compares positive media responses to the George Floyd riots with negative responses to the Convoys. Most interesting.

Rod Dreher, author of Live Not By Lies, offers

I’m at Day Two of a conference at MCC in Budapest. At lunchtime, I was talking with an American journalist. When I mentioned that the Canadian government has threatened to freeze the bank accounts of protesting truckers, her jaw literally dropped. And now, the Trudeau government is using emergency legislation to cut even people who are indirectly involved with the truckers’ protest — such as those who donated to them — from the financial system. You may not be able to buy, sell, or access your money, apparently, if you are in any way suspected of aiding the truckers. From the CBC:

“Under the regulations, the banks have a “duty to determine” who among their customers is considered a “designated person” who should be denied financial services. The regulations stipulate it is up to the banks to “determine on a continuing basis whether they are in possession or control of property that is owned, held or controlled by or on behalf of a designated person.”“ “Banks will be working with law enforcement to decide who should be “de-banked.””

“When are we going to face that we are headed towards totalitarianism?” she said.

“Well, I wrote a book about that,” I said.

He gets what time it is: “Every single day there is another sign that we must, must, must start preparing ourselves for the day when they will come after us, simply for dissenting. ”

Fun:

Man Donates To Truck Convoy Under Name ‘Hunter Biden’ So Washington Post Won’t Dox Him

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Update: Ottawa police arrest convoy organizers. Freedom Convoy Organizers Chris Barber and Tamara Lich Arrested in Ottawa. Meanwhile, Civil Liberties, Constitutional Rights Groups Launch Legal Challenges Against Ottawa’s Invocation of Emergencies Act

Ottawa now has armed checkpoints:

“The secured area includes almost 100 checkpoints that will have police presence to ensure that those seeking entry to that secure area for a unlawful reason, such as joining a protest, cannot enter the downtown core,” acting Ottawa Police Chief Steve Bell said Thursday.

Canada’s capital, operating under the Emergencies Act, now has ‘no go zones” similar to a police state. Authorities set up checkpoints with armed police officers in downtown Ottawa on Thursday — from Highway 417 (Queensway) to Parliament Hill, where dozens of trucks have been parked for three weeks.

Also, Police Issue Arrest Notices to Protesters Blockading Canadian Capital

The reaction from protesters was that they seemed to be underwhelmed by the threats—as many of the pieces of paper were immediately crumpled up and tossed away.

The notice was not the only move made by authorities against the protestors.

With an estimated one in four of the 500 or so trucks and vehicles in the occupied zone containing at least one child, the emergency act—just declared by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government—has made it illegal for children to be there.

If the government chose to end the COVID crazy, they’d all just drive away…

Former top Toronto cop Bill Blair is tipped to superintend the crackdown.

Meanwhile, in Parliament, Jewish Tory MP Demands Apology After Trudeau Says Her Party Stands With People Waving Swastikas

“I am a strong Jewish woman and a member of this House, and a descendant of Holocaust survivors, and it’s never been singled out and I’ve never been made to feel less, except for today when the prime minister accused me of standing with swastikas. I think he owes me an apology, I’d like an apology, and I think he owes an apology to all members of this House,” she said.

Trudeau won’t have to apologize for that any more than he need worry about damaging his reputation by repeated bouts of blackface. The rules are different for the Woke.

Even so: Parliament Jeers Prime Minister Trudeau During Speech About “Emergencies Act “

The National Post is liveblogging the debate on continuing the emergency:

Senior commentator Rex Murphy offers a thought on Trudeau’s motive for invoking the Emergencies Act even though most provincial premiers have stated that it is unnecessary: “Has he even talked with the drivers who came across this wide country in the deep of mid-winter? Does he ever hear what he himself is saying? Better still, did he watch the widely shared video of the protesters in Coutts when they ended their demonstration, with protesters and police hugging each other?”

No, because the prolonged COVID crackdown is Trudeau’s Reichstag Fire — the event he needs to crush opposition to his rule, even though almost nothing is happening like he claims.

Glimmer: Laura Rosen Cohen exults at fellow Canadian Mark Steyn’s site:

Justin Trudeau has actually caused some pretty positive things to happen. In being so terrible, he has brought together Canadians of all races, creeds, religions, sexual orientations and dispositions. He has brought together Albertans with Quebecers! I mean, the guy’s a miracle worker! And he has also done the truly impossible, something I never thought I would experience in my lifetime: he has made me agree with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

Like I said last week, we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Covid era. However, there is a battle we still need to win and that is about mask mandates – particularly for children. As you can imagine, I have some thoughts on this, so let me know what you think.

The truckers are keeping their cool, G-d bless each and every one of them. And I hope that Tinpot Tantrum Trudeau has overplayed his hand. Things will likely get even crazier this week so keep all of us Truckistanis in your prayers. Have a good week and I’ll see you in the comments.

Debanking proceeds apace:

CONFIRMED: Bank accounts are being frozen under Justin Trudeau’s Emergency Economic Measures Order “Shaun Zimmer recently travelled from Winnipeg to Ottawa to show his support for the trucker’s convoy, and now he no longer has access to his funds.”

Banks Have Started Freezing Accounts of Some Involved in Protests, Canada’s Deputy PM Says “The RCMP have started sharing names of individuals and corporations, as well as their cryptocurrency wallets, with financial institutions to freeze the accounts of some people involved with convoy blockades and protests, federal ministers say.”

Canada’s Justice Minister Threatens to Seize Bank Accounts of ‘Pro-Trump’ Convoy Donors

“A lot of folks said, ‘I just don’t like your vaccine mandates and I donated to this, now it’s illegal, should I be worried that the bank can freeze my account?’” Evan Solomon, host of CTV’s Power Play, asked Lametti on Feb. 17.

Lametti answered that yes, some donors’ accounts would be targeted.

“If you are a member of a pro-Trump movement, who’s donating hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars to this kind of thing, then you ought to be [worried],” Lametti said in response.

It’s a curious threat. Lametti may have more trouble freezing the accounts of Americans.

Ottawa’s Power to Freeze Protesters’ Bank Accounts Under Emergencies Act Sets Dangerous Precedent: Critics “Freezing protesters’ bank accounts ‘a form of social death,’ one expert says”

Yes, and that’s the intention. The people gloating over Trudeau’s actions will likely find that he and his successors will use emergency powers to debank them when they disagree with the laptop class about one of its next unfathomable Crazies down the road.

Ottawa’s Power to Freeze Protesters’ Bank Accounts Under Emergencies Act Sets Dangerous Precedent: Critics “Freezing protesters’ bank accounts ‘a form of social death,’ one expert says”

Yes, and that’s the intention. The people gloating over Trudeau’s actions will likely find that he and his successors will use emergency powers to debank them when they disagree with the laptop class about one of its next unfathomable Crazies down the road.

Fired: Vancouver-area radio loses popular host Kid Carson after speaking truth about Freedom Convoy


Despite Carson knowing that speaking out in support of freedom on Z95.3’s Kid Carson Show would mean his contract with the station wouldn’t be renewed, and thus his days in mainstream radio would be numbered, Carson says he’s “received thousands and thousands of messages of people just saying thank you for saying it somewhere publicly, in mainstream media where it hasn’t been spoken about.”

Wethinks that the station he migrates to will do well out of this. The station he left can be stuck with the Correct.

Meanwhile, “A group of leading scientists, doctors, and policy professionals has declared Canada’s COVID-19 pandemic officially over as of Feb. 16.” Of course the viral epidemic is declining. That always happens with these things. But the Crazy isn’t over until the very concept of human dignity is simply not understood.

Fun:

Trudeau is not having much luck teaching Mounties to goose-step:

As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau continues his effort to impose authoritarian rule in Canada, he is beginning to face some challenges. “The Royal Canadian Mounties are just not that good at goose-stepping,” said a disappointed Trudeau. “For some reason, it doesn’t come naturally to them, which is such a shame since goosestepping is very intimidating to racist, homophobic insurgents calling for ‘freedom,’ whatever that is.”

Goosestepping is really hard on horseback:

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EXCLUSIVE: Former Harvard Prof. Martin Kulldorff: ‘Science and Public Health Are Broken’ “Dr. Martin Kulldorff is one of the most qualified public health pandemic experts in the United States. To the narrative-shapers, he’s a pariah… ”

Kulldorff said he attempted to publish a paper both in U.S. medical journals and mainstream newspapers stating that while anyone could contract the virus, the focus should be on protecting the elderly and those at high risk. His paper was knocked back from all directions.

“I was able to publish in Sweden, in the major daily newspapers there during the spring of 2020, so that was not a problem,” he said. “But the United States was not allowed to have a debate, which is very troubling.”

A public enquiry is needed in order to establish why a clearly reasonable perspective was anathema.

Could this situation play a role? A whistleblower talks:

FDA Executive Officer Exposes Close Ties Between Agency and Pharmaceutical Companies: ‘Almost a Billion Dollars a Year Going into FDA’s Budget from the People we Regulate’

At Nature re Omicron:

Studies have shown that the variant can outwit immunity induced by vaccination. Now Abu-Raddad and others are revealing how well Omicron can evade antibodies produced during previous SARS-CoV-2 infections. “The ability of Omicron to infect people with either vaccine- or infection-derived immunity is a key part of what made the recent surge so large,” says Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

We’re told that vaccination makes the symptoms of COVID that one gets anyway less severe. We must hope that that, at least, turns out to be true.

The mask Karens have finally found meaning in their lives, taking out their bitterness on everybody:

In general, the Chinese Coronavirus pandemic empowered large numbers of truly awful and unhappy people to unleash their most obsessive health-related neurosis onto the general population and expect others to comply with their every hypochondriacal whim. It emboldened miserable and terrified masses of people and gave them public license and approval to scold strangers for not covering their faces, to normalize dystopian “public health” rules that had no basis in science and to generally consider themselves exceptionally good people for doing so, and certainly they were better than you and knew better than you what was good for your health. Their lives became meaningful in direct proportion to the number of rules they imposed upon themselves and demanded of others.

And especially on kids:

Cruelty to children has been rebranded and normalized by the credentialled “public health” masses in lockstep with an increasingly corrupted medical and educational establishment. Cruelty to children is fashionable and positioned as virtuous. And while adults now dine and conduct their daily business in regular fashion, go to the Super Bowl (70,000 fans), and live the good life, a hard core of despicable humans still insists that children must remain masked, seemingly indefinitely. And the proponents of masking children deliver their imperatives with such stubborn, sneering insistence and such glee, that one can only wonder if this obsession has crossed the rubric into sociopathic fetish territory. Follow the (political) science, they said.

Meanwhile, In Leaked Audio, CDC Director Walensky Privately Confirms She Won’t Relax School Mask Guidance. But at least governors can overrule her.

Meanwhile, Francis Collins, formerly of NIH, has been appointed one of two people to replace science czar Eric lander: “Biden names Francis Collins and Alondra Nelson to act as White House science leadership.” Recall “NIH Director Francis Collins Resigns After FOIA Disclosure Showed Wuhan Lab Gain of Function Funding” Keep an eye on this file.

And Anthony Fauci won’t commit to any particular number as to when the Crazy should end:

White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci was interviewed by ABC News’ Linsey Davis on Wednesday and was asked how we’ll know when the pandemic is over.

Unsurprisingly, Fauci refused to define a threshold.

“In those months ahead, our country, right now, at least, is still seeing about 147,000 new cases of COVID per day,” Davis said. “But what would that threshold be in the future for you to say, okay, the pandemic has passed?”

“You know, there’s no magic number,” Fauci replied.

A defining social rift of our time is that there are people who really get off on the Crazy and then there are people who want to live again.

Fun:

Indisputable, Irrefutable, Unquestionable, Unchanging Science Changing Again

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Trudeau Mum on When Emergency Measures Will Be Debated

3 Maritime Premiers Say Emergencies Act Unnecessary, Joining Prairies and Quebec in Opposition to Measure “The premier of Nova Scotia has joined the leaders of two other maritime provinces, along with those of Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Quebec to oppose the Emergencies Act invoked by the federal government.” They say they don’t need additional powers (so they wonder why Trudeau wants them).

Alberta, Saskatchewan Premiers Co-Sign Letter With 16 US Governors Calling on Feds to Drop Vaccine Mandates for Truckers

Civil Liberties, Constitutional Rights Groups Say Standard Not Met to Invoke Emergencies Act. “In a reaction to Trudeau’s announcement on Feb. 14, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said the government “has not met the threshold necessary” to invoke the act, since the protests do not seriously threaten the ability of the government to “preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada” as stated in the act.”

The province of British Columbia, which has kept quiet about all the above, has just relaxed restrictions on social gatherings and capacity limits. Masks and vaccine passports will still remain in place (For now… they must drag it out… more flags, more cars, trucks, and horses, more honking needed, wethinks.) Note: The rally at the B.C.–Washington border crossing is now ended but it may start up again if B.C. fails to stay on track.

In other news, Ottawa is dropping the pre-arrival COVID test for fully vaccinated travellers and Quebec has announced plans to end the COVID passport system.

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau has announced plans to seize bank accounts of customers without any due process. “He’s weaponized banks against his vague list of his own personal political enemies. This is an unprecedented political risk to the most stable banks in the world.”

Now, back to the convoys:

Firearms May Be Planted in Ottawa to Discredit Protest, Convoy Organizers Warn “In a video posted on social media on Feb. 14, Daniel Bulford, a former RCMP officer who is helping the protest organizers with security, said they have received information from sources they consider to be “reliable” that the weapons may be planted. The information, Bulford said, correlates with the more than 2,000 firearms that were stolen in Peterborough, Ont., on the morning of Feb. 13… Bulford urged demonstrators to inform the police immediately if they witness any suspicious activities. ” (Just what were 2000 weapons doing in a trucking yard in Peterborough (about 200 km from Ottawa) anyway?)

Public Safety Minister Doesn’t Substantiate His Claim Ottawa Protest Tied to Extremist Group “Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino claimed today there are links between the individuals arrested on serious criminal charges in Coutts, Alberta, with the leaders of the protest in Ottawa, but when pressed on the nature of those ties he did not substantiate them… When pressed by reporters on the nature of the group in Coutts and the alleged ties to Ottawa, Mendicino responded these questions should be directed at law enforcement.” (Well then, shouldn’t he just keep quiet?)

Over in Coutts, Alberta: Three Coutts protesters charged with conspiracy to commit murder “The RCMP described them as a small cell within the peaceful protest. Since this development, the truckers who were then blocking the border have since left after releasing a statement.”

The standoff at the Alberta-Montana, Canada-U.S. border crossing has come to an end. “A pair of the protests spokesmen spoke to Rebel News’ Sydney Fizzard last night, telling him that following the arrests of 11 people involved at the Coutts border blockade, those still remaining at the crossing would be leaving to maintain the peaceful nature of their demonstration.” They are, of course, urging everyone to start protesting peacefully somewhere else.

The donors to the Freedom Convoy at GiveSendGo are getting doxed and terrorized

Commentator Mark Steyn:

Among the guests on Wednesday’s Mark Steyn Show was Jacob Wells, whose GiveSendGo began collecting donations for the Canadian truckers after GoFundMe decided to steal the money. As you know, GiveSendGo got hacked, and the names of donors were passed on to Justin’s court eunuchs at the CBC and elsewhere. When I asked Mr Wells if he’d identified the hacker, he responded that it was a person with connections to Canadian intelligence agencies.

On the leaked list of donors, I saw two hundred names I knew and then stopped counting: friends, readers, viewers, listeners… It’s five years since I first posited my “last photocopier in the woods” scenario, but the schedule is being accelerated: I thought Justin Trudeau was Al Jolson, but it seems he’s Idi Amin.

From Wall Street Journal

On Feb. 5, the owner of Ottawa’s Stella Luna Gelato Café made a $250 donation to the protest. When this became public, callers threatened to throw bricks through her store window. She ordered the shop closed. On Tuesday she recanted her support for the truckers to the Ottawa Citizen newspaper.

Twitter users are posting names, jobs and locations of donors—from corporate executives and civil servants to masseuses and taekwondo instructors. One account doing the “doxxing,” itself anonymous, clarifies: “If you disagree with the views of businesses listed here, do the Canadian thing: Do not patronize them, or write a sternly worded letter. That’s it.” …

Major news outlets in Canada, the U.S. and the U.K. are contacting the donors, asking them to justify their contributions. Many donors feel pressure to recant or desist from further financial expression of their views. For many journalists, that is no doubt the goal.

The hacker taking credit claims to have worked with intelligence agencies.

Everything that is happening in Canada will happen in the United States if Americans do not turn out to peacefully demonstrate.

Punditry

Why Are Canada’s Unions Siding With the Government Against Workers?

You can see in these statements how union leadership has repeated the government’s smears and outright falsehoods, which took one Confederate flag and one swastika flag and ballooned them into the lie that the protest was full of white supremacists.

Even the leader of Canada’s Federal NDP, which profess to be the party of “workers,” has denounced the Freedom Convoy. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh went so far as to denounce those provincial premiers who conceded to the Convoy’s extremely reasonable demand and have begun to drop their COVID restrictions and mandates.

Because these groups no longer represent workers. They represent progressives, using workers as a natural resource.

An interesting comparison is offered between the Convoys and Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s, especially with respect to the media relaying undocumented smears: ““Another Politburo member suggested using the media to smear the independent Polish union to win the public relations battle: “Both in ‘Pravda’ and in other newspapers we must organize statements of this sort.””

Last Living Premier Who Signed Canada’s Charter in Speech to Freedom Convoy: Section 1 of Charter Being ‘Illegally’ Used by Governments Brian Peckford: “Establish an inquiry, an independent inquiry, to determine what went wrong here, as the doctors point out, how did we get off on this wrong course and try to destroy our freedoms and rights…”

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Police updates

Ottawa police chief Peter Sloly resigns. Officers supporting Ottawa protest to be “dealt with accordingly,” interim chief says.

Too early to say for sure what’s going on but here is a bit of background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uCc3y8pUnI

Meanwhile: Police officer Nick Motycka went viral for vid saying politicians using Ottawa cops as ‘hired goons’


Also, former Detroit Police Chief James Craig Backs Canadian Trucker Protests, Infuriating Michigan Democrats

and

In an Emotional Video, Edmonton Police Officer Expresses Support for Trucker Protest

The police in Canada are being used to head off demands for accountability in what has got to be the biggest public health disaster in modern Western history, involving hundreds of thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, and the laptop class who have nothing but contempt for the people to whom they have subjected their costly and useless regimes. If it isn’t happening elsewhere, that’s either because governments have hastily dumped the lockdown crap or the public is now too inert to care.

If you want to say what’s happening where you live, sign in and use the combox below.

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Banks and donation sites

TD Bank Freezes Bank Accounts Connected to Freedom Convoy Protest “TD Bank confirmed that it has frozen two bank accounts that held $1.4 million in Canadian currency (US$1.1 million) in deposits to support the trucker-led protests in Canada.” Note: “Debanking” has entered the lexicon and some of us are going to have to start writing about it more. You may think it;s your money but maybe the bank doesn’t.

GiveSendGo’s Website Hosting Freedom Convoy FundraiserReportedly Hacked (February 14, 2022): “Leak site Distributed Denial of Secrets (DDoS) announced on its website that it had 30 megabytes of donor information from GiveSendGo, including names, email addresses, zip codes, and internet protocol addresses.” More data on Canadian ‘Freedom Convoy’ donors leaked -website “Tuesday’s leak contains donor information about a similar “Adopt-a-Trucker” campaign, which says it is operating “in partnership with the Freedom Convoy.”” One American has already been contacted by a CBC [= arm of Trudeau’s government] reporter to “discuss” the donation and wisely refused.

Meanwhile, GiveSendGo questions the authority of the province of Ontario to grab donations: “Based on GiveSendGo’s actions in response to the court order, as well as co-founder/CEO Jacob Wells’ statements regarding high-level attempts to shut down the fundraising page for the Freedom Convoy, this company gets it:”

“Big Tech really has taken it upon themselves to be the arbiters of truth. And it’s a place that they were never intended to be, and it’s caused more damage than good,” Wells told Fox News Digital in a phone interview Monday. “We are now stepping into that place because there is a natural pushback from many people because America was founded on these ideas of freedom.”

“This is like the tip of the spear and what is coming in a tsunami of technology that is pushing back against this authoritarian style of social platforms where it’s like these people just think that they get to control the narrative,” he said. “It’s mind-blowing to me that they actually think that is the way that it ought to be, because in my perspective, it only breeds more distrust and more vitriol, more divide.”

But (more at the link) the bigger issue may be with third party payment processors.

Remember all this when your friendly local bank blathers on, PR-style, about helping you meet your goals. If one of your goals is to be freed from crackpot authoritarianism, maybe they won’t help because the Top People don’t want to help you do that. Remember to make your vote count. It’s all you’ve got now.

US updates February 15 2022

The majority of American Likely voters in a recent Rasmussen poll support the Canadian freedom convoys:

Canada’s prime minister has invoked emergency powers in an attempt to shut down a protest by truckers seeking an end to COVID-19 restrictions, but most American voters support the so-called “Freedom Convoy” – and think a similar protest here would be a good idea.

A new national telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports finds that 59% of Likely U.S. voters support the Canadian trucker protest, including 42% who Strongly Support the “Freedom Convoy.” Thirty-three percent (33%) of voters oppose the trucker protest against Canada’s COVID-19 restrictions, including 21% who Strongly Oppose the protest. (

Well, no one is stopping the ones who think a similar protest in the U.S. would be a good idea.

The stark truth is beginning to leak into science media: CDC: COVID-19 Booster Effectiveness Wanes After Four Months “The agency also finds that third shots prevented hospitalizations during the Omicron wave.” Fine about the reduced hospitalizations but if it’s not a one-and-done, there’s no room for the high-handedness about the whole thing many people have experienced.

Annual shots may be mandated:

A woman who might have been the top button at Levi’s was hounded into quitting when she questioned the COVID-19 crazy shutting down Frisco schools:

Early on in the pandemic, I publicly questioned whether schools had to be shut down. This didn’t seem at all controversial to me. I felt—and still do—that the draconian policies would cause the most harm to those least at risk, and the burden would fall heaviest on disadvantaged kids in public schools, who need the safety and routine of school the most…

I wrote op-eds, appeared on local news shows, attended meetings with the mayor’s office, organized rallies and pleaded on social media to get the schools open. I was condemned for speaking out. This time, I was called a racist—a strange accusation given that I have two black sons—a eugenicist, and a QAnon conspiracy theorist.

More stark truths from Robert Zimmerman, to be faced in the coming months:

All research now consistently shows that the effort to shut down economic activities at all levels did nothing to slow or stop the spread of COVID.

During the last two years I’ve cited time after time the many different studies demonstrating these facts. A recent review of 34 research papers [pdf] on the impact of lock downs however drives the point home even more dramatically.

and

At no time during the entire epidemic has there been any valid research that successfully challenged the more than a century of research that showed masks are a useless protection against viruses. The science here has never changed. All that has changed have been the politically-driven policies of politicians and incompetent government health officials, who from month-to-month reworked their mask rules over and over, without ever citing any research that justified the changes. This video of Anthony Fauci illustrates this incompetence beautifully:

Governments know this, of course, but they also know that they don’t have to care if people don’t speak up and then repay them at the ballot box.

The Bee stings: Celebrities Assure Nation They Were Wearing High-Tech Invisible Masks Only Rich People Know About

Brilliant: L.A. Schoolchildren Dress Up As Super Bowl Celebs So They Won’t Have To Wear Masks

Israel February 15, 2022

Israeli ‘Freedom Convoy’ Blocks Main Highway in Protest of COVID Measures (February 14, 2022) “I”m here for my children, so that they can have a better world,” one of the protesters explained. “Rights are being taken away from citizens with no real justification, and we need to fight that.” She added, “We are no one’s enemies.”

Israel Starts Canadian-Inspired ‘Freedom Convoy’ Against COVID-19 Mandates “Thousands of Israeli protesters have joined a Canadian-inspired “Freedom Convoy” on Monday, with vehicles flying Israeli and Canadian flags while driving along the main highway linking Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.”

In a remarkable turn of events, the Canadian flag is seen as the flag of the people of Canada and not of its government. In that case, may all who wave our flag remember to let the laptop class, their media consorts, and their goons be responsible for all the viciousness and violence.

https://youtu.be/-G6nzMDBYYY?t=21

A key goal for us now is to help badly frightened neighbours see the COVID Crazy for what it is: A huge and very costly global public health disaster (in terms of the damage done to the lives of the many people who were never at serious risk). And now, those governments that are still fomenting panic and demanding lockdowns, masking, crackdowns, and mandates are simply trying to put off a reckoning until they find a scapegoat — some vulnerable group, probably. Let’s not let them.

Canada February 14 2022 pm

Trudeau declares Emergencies Act, never before tried — developing …

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland announced a number of measures to reduce funding to the protests. These include broadening anti-money laundering measures to crowdfunding platforms and digital currencies. Banks will also be able to freeze accounts of entities involved in the protests.

Freeland also said that for companies whose trucks are used in blockades, their corporate accounts will be frozen and their insurance suspended.

At least four premiers are against it:

Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Quebec said they don’t support the prime minister’s use of the act.

“We have all of the legal tools and operational resources required to maintain order. The Act would add no relevant additional powers or resources,” Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said on Twitter on Feb. 14.

“The illegal blockades must end, but police already have sufficient tools to enforce the law and clear the blockades, as they did over the weekend in Windsor,” Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe tweeted.

Truckers: We Will Hold the Line’: Freedom Convoy Organizers Say They’re Not Deterred by Emergencies Act Conservative motion to end mandates defeated. Truckers moving from residential areas to main protest area.

If You Want to Judge the Freedom Movement, Go See it for Yourself

What critics of the Freedom Convoy seem to hate most, what just about drives them around the bend, is seeing the protesters enjoying themselves. The sputtering Jim Watson, mayor of Ottawa, seemed almost overcome with indignation when describing the bouncy castles, barbecues, dancing and music on Parliament Hill. The insolence. The effrontery. Intolerable. This is an occupation, after all, or perhaps an insurrection, or even sedition. It isn’t supposed to be fun. In any event, it must be illegal. Why, just the other night there were unauthorized fireworks over the House of Commons!

In his own blustering way, and certainly without meaning it, Watson was onto something. There is a lot of joy among the Freedom Convoy protesters in Ottawa and at the ongoing Freedom Rallies, marches and slow-rolls all over Canada. Anyone looking at this nationwide phenomenon with open eyes and an open mind – if they can see past the oceans of Canadian flags, themselves a joyful sight if ever there was one – can’t help but notice the pure, natural, unforced and unrestrained joy. It is everywhere and all around. In this article, Cassandra Navarette recounts making this discovery for herself, stunned yet exhilarated that the reality proved so different from the official reports…

So is waving that flag. I never thought I would thank Justin Trudeau for anything, but I must say, he has handed Canadians a priceless gift. Through his trashing of our nation’s history, his claim that our country has no identity, his portrayal of Canada as a place of racism and oppression, his open sympathy for those who hate Canada and would burn it to the ground, his implication that our flag is dirty and shameful, Trudeau has made the Maple Leaf itself a symbol of opposition and, yes, even rebellion. He has handed the Freedom Movement a beautiful, stirring, unmistakeable emblem, a single unifying banner for everyone to rally round: Canada’s flag. Who but the hard-left, the bitter, the haters, can be against that? Have you noticed all the flags popping up on vehicles, roadside fences, homes and businesses? Thank you, Justin!

It won’t be Trudeau’s fault if that laughter and those smiles aren’t rubbed out.

Here’s Ez Levant’s view for Rebel News (his reporters are embedded with the truckers, not the police): “And Trudeau left announcing the worst details to Chrystia Freeland, about how crowdfunding will be subject to anti-terrorism measures.”

From abroad, public intellectual Douglas Murray:

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau must go and his government “should fall” amid a list of “absolutely criminal” things the government is doing, says author Douglas Murray.

It comes as a state of emergency has been declared in Ontario, the province which includes Ottawa, after protests entered their third week in the capital.

Protesters have been warned they face large fines or even prison time for their continued demonstrations.

Mr Murray condemned Mr Trudeau for his treatment of the protesters, saying he called them “racists, misogynists and homophobes”.

“He and his appalling supporting paper, the Toronto Star, pump out the most vicious propaganda against these truckers.” 1 “The Canadian government has put pressure on some of the Canadian banks to freeze the accounts of truckers – this is just unbelievable banana republic behaviour.”

One wonders if Murray realizes that the once-venerable Toronto Star accepts funds from Trudeau’s government to stay in business…

Note: The Emergencies Act could possibly hamper the ability to report news from Canada; it will not affect the international sources that are watching the scene except that they are not on the ground. We’ll do our best to keep you posted. International news next.

U.S. updates February 14, 2022

New Homeland Security bulletin targets non-approved COVID-19 information: “The proliferation of false or misleading narratives, which sow discord or undermine public trust in U.S. government institutions. For example, there is widespread online proliferation of false or misleading narratives regarding unsubstantiated widespread election fraud and COVID-19. Grievances associated with these themes inspired violent extremist attacks during 2021.”

Hmmm.What’s mainly undermined public trust in “U.S. government institutions” is their own behavior around COVID-19. It was a self-inflicted injury. So far, in Canada, where the convoys started (for what it’s worth), “the only “violent extremist attack” that hit the screen was a hit-and-run mowing down demonstrators in Winnipeg. But the demonstrators did not start it. Asked at The Federalist: “Why Aren’t Corporate Media Talking About The Car That Crashed Into The Freedom Convoy?”

Answer: Because 1) those people don’t matter, a fact of which they are themselves well aware. 2) most Canadian media are paid by the federal government to stay in business because so few readers depend on them and they know well which side their bread is buttered on. Yes, there’s good coverage out there. But it is probably just the sort that Homeland Security would like to stifle in the U.S.

Here’s a laptop class classic from Gizmodo: “Attempts to bring Canadian truckers’ ‘freedom convoy’ to the U.S. are mired in dysfunction.” The authors are obviously delighted. If so, that’s too bad. It certainly does not need to be that way.

Along the lines of slowly beginning to question the government’s COVID crazy:

According to the commercial lab study, between 33.1% and 34% of the population have circulating antibodies following a COVID infection as of 12/26/2021. For children 17 and under, approximately 44% show evidence of antibodies from prior infection. To emphasize, nearly half of the children under 17 express recovered immunity, and in two years, less than 1,000 have died. Yet Pfizer and Dr. Fauci are talking about giving toddlers and infants three doses of an experimental vaccine. And teachers’ union president Randi Weingarten wants 80% of school-age children to be vaccinated before masks come off.

There are vast masses of material out there that should raise warning flags about government demands and raise demands for inquiries. Expect efforts to prevent people getting hold of it.

It’s not as if the people supporting and promoting the lockdowns, mandates, and masks necessarily even believe it: “VIDEO: Not a Single Celebrity Is Wearing a Mask at Super Bowl Including Hypocrite Mayor Eric Garcetti” What they believe in is ordering their inferiors around while they strut and preen.

Oh, and Bill Maher sounds off on on Justin Trudeau: “Bill Maher on Canada’s ‘Freedom Convoy’: They’re ‘not wrong’ to be ‘p—ed off’ at elites. The HBO star blasts Canadian PM Justin Trudeau, comparing his attacks of the unvaccinated to ‘Hitler’”

“Hitler” seems a bit harsh for Trudeau. Eva Braun maybe… Or, no, Leni Riefenstahl.

Canada updates February 14, 2022

BREAKING: Ontario to Lift Vaccine Passport and All Capacity Limits March 1 Capacity limits lifting for restaurants and gyms this week. (We will need to be sensitive to the needs of the many fragile people crazed senseless with fear by the COVID ‘crats. Extra patience required.)

Just in, from an Ottawa area MPP (member of the provincial Parliament):

(If your government isn’t doing this, try Canadian flags, Canadians, rigs, horses…)

Police Make Arrests to Clear Protest Blockade at Major Canada–US Border Crossing “More arrests were made on Feb. 13. Police say they have made more than 25 arrests, mostly on mischief charges.”

BREAKING: Police sabotage heavy equipment sabotage heavy equipment at Coutts sabotage heavy equipment at Coutts: “Police confirmed that they were behind the damage caused to vehicles on private land in Coutts, Alberta.” [border crossing town]

RCMP had allegedly asked the owners to move the vehicles so they wouldn’t be visible from the highway. The owners obliged, and sometime after moving the vehicles found the damage.

Damage reportedly included the cutting of electrical and control cables. And an expandable foam was sprayed inside the vehicle causing additional damage.

People are beginning to expect this sort of things from the police. Which isn’t helping.

Demos spread to British Columbia, the westernmost province, bordering Alberta: ‘Here for the Long Haul’: Convoy Protest Digs In at BC–Washington Border Crossing

Meanwhile,

Facts Matter (Feb. 11): Six Provinces Lift Mandates After Protests Continue; Secret Phone Recording of Ontario Premier

and

Victory for Charter rights and freedoms as Québec scraps punitive tax against vaccine-free

Also: Town of La Crete, Alberta overrides the health bureaucrats and ends the pandemic

But now, here’s the BIG problem as we slowly emerge from the worst public health policy debacle in our history: As certain provinces begin to drop COVID-19 mandates, those who’ve been propagandized to fear normalcy, need help. See this:

Many people in our society were always fragile like that but we didn’t used to stoke their fears like this. Shame on those who do!

Meanwhile, notice the way governments in various places are subtly deplatforming the very concept of “freedom” which has come to be symbolized beyond Canada’s borders by the flag of Canada (not as displayed by the government but as displayed by the people):

“Freedom”‘s Just Another Word for …er, “White Supremacism”:

Canadian truckers are such an obviously genuinely naturally “diverse” group that one would have thought the Canadian media’s wholesale support for Jacinda Trudeau’s libel of them as Nazi white supremacists would have been too insulting to the intelligence of even CBC viewers. The general vibe of what’s happening isn’t hard to discover: Convoy supporters play street hockey under the watchful gaze of a fully armed RCMP tactical unit, whose colleagues are busy preemptively destroying private property on private land.

In any previous Canadian media environment, it would be the behaviour of the Mounties that would be abnormal and under scrutiny. But physical lockdown seems to have inculcated in the citizenry a psychological lockdown that will be far harder to lift. So, on the CBC’s Cross-Country Check-Up (a show once hosted by Rex Murphy), the word “freedom” is now suspect.

That’s the main reason many Canadians want to defund the CBC.

Note: The world’s peoples are welcome to use our Canadian flag. But in the long run they might be best to use their own in the same way.

Australia update February 14, 2022

MASK OFF: Canberra reveals its nasty side:

Over the course of the two weeks that the Australian protest has been in Canberra, it has evolved from a protest against vaccine mandates and into a general rejection of Covid health orders and the over-governing seen during the two years of pandemic politics…

Meanwhile, several road rage incidents in Canberra have been recorded as locals hurl profanity and hate-fuelled abuse as protesters…

As for Labor, the traditional ‘voice of the working class people’ – when faced with a sea of blue-collar workers outside Parliament House begging for the right to return to their jobs and feed their families, the official comment from Anthony Albanese was to to ‘go home’.

One such road rage incident where a demonstrator’s car was rammed was pretty serious but then the demo, at 20,000 people, was “is understood to be the biggest public demonstration ever held in Canberra”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO53BKU4qag

Another account:

As of February 13, Canberra police have not charged this woman for driving her car into (and upending) the car of a demonstrator: “The Canberra woman speeds off, misjudges, and drives straight into the side of the protester’s car, almost tipping her own vehicle over with the force of the collision. Her car ends up suspended on two wheels, leaning against the car she has just struck.”

Australians have been surprisingly tolerant of government lunacy and overreach in the past few years and many residents may simply never have encountered fellow Australians who say, “Enough.”

Europe update February 14, 2022

Here’s an interesting hit piece from Associated Press: “Canada protests sound common refrain: ‘We stand for freedom’” The piece goes on then go on to shovel irrelevant dirt — irrelevant, that is, if you were on the ground, as I (O’Leary for News) have been. And conspiracy theories as well*. Some useful information though:

In Paris, police prevented a threatened blockade of the French capital on Saturday. But a few dozen vehicles were able to disrupt traffic on the famed Champs-Elysees, prompting police to fire tear gas to disperse the crowd.

“The convoys are for the restoring of our liberties,” said Pierre-Louis Garnier, a 64-year-old who attended a protest in Paris on Friday to welcome an anticipated convoy that never materialized. In the Netherlands, dozens of trucks and other vehicles, some waving Canadian flags, have descended on The Hague, the historic Dutch parliamentary complex.

“We are living now in police state,” said Hans Evenstain, a 76-year-old protester said Sunday. “That’s not a good life anymore. We want to move freely and that’s why we are here for us and for our children and our grandchildren.”

In Belgium, federal police were urging people to avoid Brussels on Monday, when a convoy is expected to gather in the country’s capital, and the headquarters of the 27-nation European Union.

  • Note: Contrary to claims in the story linked above, which hints at an attempt to overthrow Trudeau, Trudeau was not nearly as unpopular a month or so ago as he became when he responded to the demonstrations by going into hiding and lobbing insults at the demonstrators — actions unworthy of a leader. At this point, it is a reasonable inference that even his own party, the Liberals, would like someone else to be in charge. But no one had realized before how immature he actually is.

And, as with New Zealand, it’s fairly simple, really. Either Europe belongs to the peoples of Europe or Europeans are one of the many possessions of their government(s). They must decide. Yes, there will be social division as a result. But a conflict like this cannot be put off any longer. There is no science justification for the lockdowns/masks/mandates. It is pure government overreach, gratefully accepted by some, opposed by others.


New Zealand Update February 14, 2022

AP: New Zealand tries old earworm hits to flush out protesters

The protesters, who have been voicing their opposition to coronavirus vaccine mandates, responded to the soaking from the sprinklers by digging trenches and installing makeshift drainpipes to divert the water.

When a downpour hit Saturday, their numbers only grew. Protesters brought in bales of straw, which they scattered on the increasingly sodden grounds at Parliament. Some shouted, others danced and one group performed an Indigenous Maori haka.

By evening, Parliament Speaker Trevor Mallard had come up with a new plan to make the protesters uncomfortable: using a sound system to blast out vaccine messages, decades-old Barry Manilow songs and the 1990s earworm hit “Macarena” on a repeat loop.

Protesters responded by playing their own tunes, including Twister Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It.”

It’s not all fun: Police arrest convoy protesters at New Zealand’s Parliament: “The protest began on Tuesday after more than 1,000 people driving cars and trucks from around the country converged on Parliament in a convoy inspired by protests in Canada and elsewhere around the world.”

New Zealand needs Canadian flags. And horses. Lots and lots of horses.

https://youtu.be/os8iiCuLHu0?t=277

It’s fairly simple, really. Either New Zealand belongs to the people of New Zealand or New Zealanders are one of the many possessions of their government. They must decide. Yes, there will be social division as a result. But a conflict like this cannot be put off any longer. There is no science justification for the lockdowns/masks/mandates. It is pure government overreach, gratefully accepted by some, opposed by others.

Victoria update February 13, 2022

Freedom convoy in Victoria, B.C., Saturday, February 12, 2022

Saturday February 5, I (O’Leary for News) went downtown to near the harbour to see whether there was any Freedom Convoy activity. There certainly was, just masses of convoyers on Douglas Avenue, a major artery, and here’s an account of that.

Yesterday, I went back again to see if anything had changed. I went myself because I have learned not to trust government-funded media in this matter and there aren’t many embedded indies out here. (Victoria is a small city at the southern end of Vancouver Island, off the west coast of North America. It is the capital of the westernmost Canadian province, British Columbia.)

This time, I changed my route. I wanted to know approximately where the convoying was starting to become a traffic jam so, instead of going right downtown to Fort Street, I went to Saanich and Douglas (much higher up) to wait for the southbound bus. As I waited, a little after noon, a number of cars and trucks rolled through the stream of traffic, sporting Canadian flags. I saw few of them coming back, so I guessed they were headed to the main rally point that afternoon.

I got a seat on the bus’s upper deck, at the front, and by the time we got to Hillside Avenue, roughly between Saanich Avenue and Fort Street, the entire middle lane was jammed with cars and small trucks bearing flags, with some honking. I observed no big rigs; that might be due to police action or it might be a strategy; one can fit two or three smaller vehicles in the same space and more people in the vehicles.

The bus driver suggested we get off if we were near our destination. His problem was that Victoria allows people to park in the right lane for two hours on Saturday. It was extremely frustrating for him to keep weaving in and out between the right lane and the middle lane every time he encountered a parked car. (He is not allowed to use the left lane unless he is making a turn.)

So I got off and continued walking south. I had brought a little Canadian flag with me and waved it at passing cars. The drivers of a number of cars that bore no flags honked in recognition.

One young fellow was running along the sidewalk, shouting “Freedom!” I stopped him and gave him a little flag and he appeared very grateful, “Yeah, I’ve got to get me one of those!”

Well, it would certainly save him having to yell “Freedom!” because everyone knows that that’s what the Canadian flag means now, in the context. Even the French are using the Canadian flag as a signal.

I saw little evidence of actual disapproval from the public at large, despite the uproar. Apart from scurrilities on signs directed at Justin Trudeau, I heard no hostile or bad language; people seemed to be enjoying their freedom, having a great time. Doubtless, we will be hearing from bureaucrats, however, that they are not at all pleased.

The police were rampaging up and down the left lanes and sometimes even in front of oncoming traffic in the opposing lane. I thought, “If you want to give out tickets, you would be better off to park at the head of a side street to spot actual violators of traffic rules.”

The traffic was probably slow rolling all the way to near the harbour, but I didn’t repeat the survey walk from last week; I had already seen what I wanted to know: The jam began way up at Hillside/Gorge and Douglas.

If this is happening in staid little Victoria, I wonder what is happening in other smaller Canadian cities that we hear little about?

Europe updates February 13 2022

It didn’t have to be this way “A bioethicist at the heart of the Italian coronavirus crisis asks: why won’t we talk about the tradeoffs of the lockdown?”

There’s no such thing as a value-free model. Self-isolation and quarantine are much heavier physical and mental burdens for those who live alone. John Ioannidis, the professor of medicine at Stanford University who exposed the ‘replication crisis’ in social psychology and beyond, has argued since the beginning of the pandemic that the economic, social and mental health implications of lockdowns must be accounted for in cost-benefit public health calculations – including the deaths caused by disruption to the social fabric. We might end up looking back on coronavirus, Ioannidis said, as a ‘a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco’. There’s currently little evidence that the most aggressive measures work, and if they continue, they could end up causing more harm in the long term than riding an acute epidemic wave. However, discounting the future is a typically human bias – as health economists know well from studies of how people think about the consequences of smoking, drinking or failing to exercise.

We are told that Italian flags are beginning to pop up everywhere… A Canadian can’t help wondering what’s next …

French “freedom convoy” protesters merge ahead of planned rally in Paris, February 11, 2022

French police fire tear gas:

Well, at least the government is leaving people in no doubt that it is more comfy with lockdowns and crackdowns than the people are. Science, ya know.

Canada Updates (February 12 2022 evening)

Police are clearing/have cleared the blockade at the Ambassador Bridge, between Windsor and Detroit:

Heavily armed Ontario Provincial Police are at the scene, as well as an armoured police vehicle.

Most of the protesters have been dispersed, with a few still remaining at the main protest site. Most of the big trucks are gone.

but

Protester Domenico Pelle says some demonstrators are telling the police they may leave today, but if the province doesn’t lift its COVID-19 mandates in two days, they’ll be back.

Meanwhile:

Timeline to lift all COVID-19 measures in Ontario coming soon, top doctor says

and

Ontario’s Vaccine Passport to Go Under Review for Reopening Plan: Chief Medical Officer

The Top Doctor had better not be kidding. More and more Canadians are beginning to ask, why are we putting up with this when the theories about how to contain COVID-19 are in shreds?

And people do not need a truck either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51Xehjtuso

Part of the problem is that government today — this may be a worldwide problem — is viscerally connected with the laptop class, full of mask Karens, lockdown Larries, jab Jills, and COVID Crazies. Top ‘crats maybe don’t even know many of the sort of people on whom they have inflicted the Crazy for years — the rest of the people of Canada, who are gradually waking up.

Also in the tray, Ottawa Will Soon Announce Changes to Border Measures as Omicron Recedes: Health Minister

The big question for many Canadians is, do they mean it? That would mean standing up to the mask Karens in their own civil service ranks. Maybe they would just as soon face off against China or Russia. We understand. And we will help them grow backbones.

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau is doubling down on the crazy (casting doubt on his Health Minister’s claim):

That’s Candice Bergen above, the interim leader of the Opposition, the Conservative party, which just ousted their useless leader Erin O’Toole (one good thing to come out of the uproar). No, Candice can’t run for leader this time out. Party by-laws don’t permit the interim leader to be a candidate. But we will doubtless hear from her again later…

Last night, the block party continued at Parliament Hill

GiveSendGo is mocking the Ontario government, which ordered the donations collected for the truckers frozen. But, as noted earlier, money, while gratefully accepted, isn’t really what is most needed now. What is most needed is, do whatever you can to politely and peacefully turn up the heat on COVID crazy where you live and help anyone else to do so.

Meanwhile, punditry:

Trucker Protests the Tipping Point of Frustration With Two Years of Botched Pandemic Responses “The two main ingredients of it are manifestly the collapse in trust in institutions and the astonishing lack of self-awareness of our politicians that continues to fuel it.”

Now here’s an interesting thought: Might Trudeau be ousted over his utter failure as a leader in this situation?

We’re Used to Dissenting Tory MPs; When Liberals Dissent,We Should Take Notice. Cory Morgan wonders if the Liberals are looking to sideline Trudeau, who is as useless as O’Toole but more destructive:

Principled politicians within the Liberal caucus are clearly becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the prime minister’s ongoing campaign to vilify a segment of Canadian citizens. Most people enter politics with a personal vision and ideal to make the world a better place though they differ on the path to getting there. It has to be dismaying to watch your own leader purposely pitching Canadian citizens against each other for the sake of political gain…

Trudeau has been leading the Liberal Party for nearly 10 years now. Ambitious party members are surely beginning to chafe under his leadership and want to make their run for the top job before they age out. The only real protection Trudeau had against challengers to his throne was his ability to win elections. Last fall’s electoral stalemate bought him some time, but it may not have saved his hide.

That’s worth watching. Alberta province’s Jason Kenney and Ontario province’s Doug Ford — both of whom are lockdown Larries — have one thing going for them: They are Conservatives and the opposition progressive parties would be, if anything, much more unhinged and ferocious. Trudeau lacks that advantage. His opponent would be someone more like Candace Bergen.

U.S. commentator Tucker Carlson notes that governments are panicking:

And now some fun:

Trudeau Orders All Geese Rounded Up And Shot For Honking In Solidarity With Truckers

And a bit of karma:

CNN Analyst Backtracks After Calling for Canadian Convoy to Have Tires Slashed. Advisedly, one might say:

But her Twitter post was quickly derided by other users, including some who claim to be truckers. Some noted that if the trucks’ gas tanks were drained, it would be difficult to move them. Others remarked that commercial trucks generally have their tires inflated to around 100 PSI, meaning that if someone tried to slash one of the truckers’ tires, it could lead to significant bodily harm.


Apart from a few people in office who need replacing, Canadians (so far) haven’t had to live with many people like the CNN analyst. But Americans, unfortunately, do.

Australia update (February 12, 2022):

Australia’s biggest convoy so far descends on the capital:

Australia has actually been far more subject to goon policing, in general, during the COVID-19 crazy than Canada was. They appear to have been hit by a collective nightstick, however, and remembered that Australia is, in principle, a free nation in the English Common Law and Parliamentary tradition. Australia belongs to the people of Australia, not to laptop class bureaucrats and their goons. And if they keep it peaceful, they are not the ‘crats’ lab rats either.

Wonder what’s happening in New Zealand…

US updates (February 12, 2022):

Although a number of American governors, perhaps with the mid-term elections in mind, are dumping or scaling back mask mandates, the White House seems to be urging their retention:

“Well, our guidance is consistently – has consistently been this,” Psaki replied. “When you are in a high transmission area, which is everywhere in the country, you should wear a mask in indoor settings, including schools.” The reporter followed up by asking if the CDC risks “becoming irrelevant in the minds of many Americans, given that their states are moving along without them?”

CDC [Center for Disease Control] is irrelevant to the governors because masks have not been shown to significantly reduce transmission.

In other news, a mask Karen is exposed: As various states dump masking rules,

”But in California, Barbara Ferrer, the top public health official in Los Angeles County, expressed her concern to elected officials this week: “We should not be lifting the masking mandate when we are reporting thousands and thousands of new cases every day. That doesn’t make sense.”

Some would say Ms. Ferrer is drawing the wrong inference. If we have mask mandates and are still seeing hundreds of thousands of new cases per day, maybe that means mask mandates don’t work.

She’d best go back to the war on head lice among schoolchildren. It’s dangerous to give such people too much power.

But Silicon Valley is in her camp: YouTube Removes, Then Restores, Video of Mom Fighting Mask Mandates in School:

“I guess you’ll have to ask YouTube why it considers basic science like this, shared by a mom at a school board meeting, to be dangerous to its viewers,” he said.

Why? While learning how to be the Pravda of social media, YouTube and others sometimes move too quickly, that’s why. Later, they will — ideally in their own view — ban all non-approved discussion whatsoever.

Somehow related to the story just above? CDC Struggles to Maintain Public Trust, Leader of House Doctors Caucus Says.

Probably related to the CDC’s PR problem: Now that the true medical situation is becoming more generally recognized: “The dismissal of hydroxychloroquine as a possible Covid-19 treatment, however, was never based on solid science. The Los Angeles Times article reveals a fundamentally authoritarian worldview: medical claims are “unproven,” and dangerous for the public to discuss, until some official body endorses them—an approach that threatens public health and science alike.”

Meanwhile, New York’s governor, Kathy Hochul, “ not ready to lift mask mandate for schools”: Maybe she will after the February break… Convoy? Convoy? Come in Convoy. Are you reading us?

Here are Nevada schoolchildren’s responses to the news that the mask Crazy is now shut down, by order of the governor. (severe jubilant noise warning)

International updates

Shot: Freedom Convoy Spreads Across the World, With Protests in the Most Unlikely Countries:

Even in far-flung New Zealand, which has mainly been praised for its handling of the pandemic and hasn’t managed to be divided by the virus in the same way as many other nations, supporters of the movement are taking to the streets to protest COVID restrictions. In the city of Wellington, police on Thursday arrested more than 120 people protesting coronavirus restrictions after closing a Freedom Convoy camp outside of parliament.

The writer of the above article strongly disapproves and regurgitates many government-funded media putdown talking points. But she’s right; even many New Zealanders have discovered that they are not lab rats. And their government does not own them.

Chaser: Around the world, authorities are cracking down on “freedom convoys”:

Something is happening in the world. At present, it’s a formless, shapeless mass, and barely discernible. But something wonderful—and scary and exciting and possibly earth-shattering—is happening in countries across the globe…

Mandates in the United States are dropping right and left as Democrats begin to pay a serious political cost for “following the science” when the “science” isn’t very “scientific.” If the radical left in America is forced—reluctant to give up their emergency powers, why not Canada? European nations are also slowly easing restrictions. The writing is on the wall: the COVID panic is over and it’s time to get serious about rebuilding the damage done by ruinous government policies.

Canada updates:

Shot: Ottawa citizens find creative uses for jerry cans to frustrate police seizure.

Chaser: Ottawa Will Soon Announce Changes to Border Measures as Omicron Recedes: Health Minister

It’s wise to be cautious — these bureaucrats seem honestly to think that they own Canadians and are enraged to find out that, actually, they don’t. Let’s see the ink on paper first.

Meanwhile: Manitoba (province) to lift mask mandates, COVID-19 vaccine passports in March.

Yes? Well, those of us who can get down to a demonstration venue had better keep doing so until the order comes down — and the mask Karens are screaming hysterically at the government, not at us.

Alberta (province): Truckers In Southern Alberta Hold the Line Despite RCMP Enforcement

For those unfamiliar with the situation, or perhaps those who have been misled about what is happening at this site, all vehicles are pulled off to the sides of the highway or parked in the ditch. The only vehicles impeding traffic at in fact RCMP and police vehicles. There are campfires, play areas, impromptu kitchens, coffee and snack stations, all of which is being shared for free. Aside from the fact that everything is set up alongside the highway, it feels entirely like a family reunion campout.

Everyone ensures newcomers have something to eat, and some of the organizers even joke that the only time anyone gets violent is when the coffee isn’t ready in the morning. You very much get the sentiment that you could leave your car unlocked and never see a single thing goes missing. Even when the RCMP seem to try to intimidate folks, the people simply respond by locking arms and singing the [national] anthem. Members of the RCMP and mainstream media commented on how respectful and kind everyone had been.

Meanwhile, an army major speaks out against government overreach.

And a veteran asks other veterans to support the truckers.

And now, rest your soul, Canadian style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGLonqpdh1Q

Just think: They thought they owned us… like we were their lab rats…

By the way, the national anthem

More soon.

Featured! Ontario Provincial Police are now cracking down on Facebook posts. Watch as one Canadian heroine draws a line in the snow:

More updates soon.

Government update — Ontario declares state of emergency

Note: Ottawa, the capital of Canada, is in the province of Ontario. Ontario’s capital is Toronto.

Ontario premier Doug Ford “will enact orders making it “crystal clear” that it is illegal and punishable to block and impede the movement of goods, people, and services along critical infrastructure.”

In other provincial news: “Ontario will soon announce when vaccine passports will end and the province may move up the reopening schedule that’s currently in place, according to Dr. Kieran Moore.”

A note about states of emergency in Canada vs. elsewhere from senior columnist Brian Lilley (discussing an earlier state of emergency declaration by Ottawa):

What it will do is give Ottawa residents, used to American news about states of emergency being declared, the false impression that Watson is doing something. Our laws differ greatly from the U.S., and having the city declare a state of emergency really just makes it easier for civic officials to buy stuff.

I’m not joking; it’s right in the city’s news release, which stated that the declaration, “could help purchase equipment required by frontline workers and first responders.” Even city solicitor David Evans told the emergency meeting of the police board on Saturday that the move wouldn’t give the city any extra legal authority.

Anything Ontario premier Doug Ford does will also have to past courtroom and constitutional tests as well.

So anyone looking forward to hearing the crack of truncheons on skeptical skulls may have to look elsewhere. One hopes so.

Media updates:

A CNN commentator:

The convoy protest, applauded by right wing media as a “freedom protest,” is an economic and security issue now. The Ambassador Bridge link constitutes 28% of annual trade movement between US and Canada. Slash the tires, empty gas tanks, arrest the drivers, and move the trucks ✔ https://t.co/nvRQTfPWir— Juliette Kayyem (@juliettekayyem) February 10, 2022

Kayyem is apparently too clueless to realize that the reason that Canada is known as a peaceful country is that we try not to do things that would simply escalate conflicts. But then the laptop class is usually insulated from the violence it advocates and enjoys viewing anyway. But who watches CNN these days? Eight percent of the U.S. public? Sure has fallen.

Don’t let the government start funding them. That’s part of how authoritarian government got out of control in Canada: Media are funded to spout nonsense and falsehoods because no one needs them for news.

Prediction from Ez Levant, a senior journalist in Canada and founder of indie Rebel News,

I can’t get over the fact that 57% of Green voters love the truckers. Trudeau’s smiley mask has slipped; he’s shown his rage. Voters will never un-see that…

Trudeau is polling as the worst politician to deal with the crisis according to BOTH pro- and anti-truckers! (How is that even possible?)

It’s a remarkable combination of insults, incompetence, and fleeing the city. Both sides blame Trudeau…

But the truckers are already changing the political climate. Half a dozen Democrat states just ended mask mandates. Democrats are looking for a graceful exit for Fauci. Biden doesn’t need this staring contest. And here, I predict, is how this ends:

18. Biden gets the CDC to announce that The Science™ has evolved again, and St. Fauci now says truckers don’t need to be vaccinated to cross the border. Biden’s policies are working so well, they can be retired already! Biden is a friend of the working man!

19. Biden saves the day. He saves jobs. He’s normalizing America! And the Teamsters will praise him. And because he didn’t demonize the truckers, he won’t lose face.

But all cross-border trucks do round trips. So if Biden ends the vaccine mandate, Trudeau has to, as well.

Let’s hope it ends as simply as that and school kids and teens can start living again.

Here’s a thought: Is it possible that Trudeau has COVID worse than he is letting on and is, in a classic symptom, “confused”? That would earn him some sympathy but only at the risk of making clear that his All Must Vax! policies lack any reasonable basis. He was vaxxed to the max and it happened anyway. We shall see.

Rebel is a great source on the Convoy, along with many upstart indies who are simply live streaming what’s really happening on YouTube. We suspect YouTube won’t shut them down because that would only benefit upstart Rumble, founded by… a Canadian.

Punditry:

How the Left betrayed the Truckers

They call it “The Honkening”. Ottawa, Canada’s capital city, is currently being besieged by a novel kind of protest. Honkening is a fairly appropriate name for what’s going on. Thousands of truckers have driven to the capital, and barraged the city with the noise of truck horns creating a cacophony of sound. Elsewhere, on the border between the United States and Canada, truckers, farmers and cowboys have blockaded traffic…

Many on the Left came to believe that without their corporatist union structures, and without their shop stewards and political organisers, the working classes were done for. They were little better, to paraphrase Marx, than a “sack of potatoes” …

Ottawa’s truckers are a symptom of the massive class divide that is opening up across the West. Marxists are sticking their heads in the sand about this generational moment, or papering it over with absurd topsy-turvy leaps. In one recent display of moon logic, the Canadian activist, writer and self-described socialist Nora Loreto complained that “labour” was invisible in the resistance to the “fascist” truckers that had occupied Ottawa. An exasperated comrade chimed in with a story of being a shop steward for a teamster (truck driver) union, and — horror of horrors — the painful truth was that many teamsters were more likely to be in the protest themselves than protesting against it.

It’s quite simple: It was one thing when the laptop class despised us “inferiors” silently; another when it made life intolerable for everyone else while indulging its pet theories.

Politicians are finding that medical totalitarianism is NOT a winning issue

Ontario’s hitherto intransigent premier Doug Ford is said to be set to abandon the vaccine passport scheme (according to a secretly recorded phone call).

Trudeau is beginning to sound like he is losing it. He got booed in the House of Commons for leaving during debate:

Reportedly pouting after being heckled and shouted down. He blames the problems on the Conservatives.

Some are calling this Trudeau’s “Ceausescu moment” where he reveals that he just isn’t getting it:

Trudeau fled the city, removing his family to what aides called a “secret location” for “security reasons,” a politically disastrous move denounced by just about everyone with a microphone or a Twitter account, including members of his own party. Liberal MP Joël Lightbound took things a step further. He ripped Trudeau’s politics as divisive, saying his government needs to recognize people have “legitimate concerns” while adding, acidly, “Not everyone can earn a living on a MacBook at a cottage.” This has been a theme in the States, too, where the people most dickishly insistent on the necessity of lockdowns or mandates have tended to be Zoomer professionals spending the pandemic in pajamas.

Meanwhile, a second Liberal has split from Trudeau’s caucus and is publicly questioning the mandates and lockdowns.

So far, the trucks are winning out over the tweets:

If the last fortnight is anything to go on, this will only harden the demonstrators’ resolve. When police began seizing fuel from truckers, protesters saw the humorous side. They were soon seen carrying jerry cans en masse through the city — whether full or empty — to confound law enforcement officials, thereby turning the humble jerry into a symbol of Canadian dissent.

The propaganda war on Twitter will no doubt continue, but nothing beats the real world. And in the real world, the truckers are winning.

Even Alberta’s premier Jason Kenney is now talking about dumping the vax passort and other restrictions but may need some encouragement:

Meanwhile, the dramatically unpopular Kenney has had Pastor Artur arrested again so Artur is addressing the quiet revolution from behind bars.

Watching this disaster for Big Government (and Big Pharma and sellouts to China) unfold, U.S. talk show host Tucker Carlson comments that “crumbling regimes always resort to this”:

Constitutional lawyer John Carpay says that the accusations against the truckers, aired by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau among others, are ”vicious and baseless”:

Chief Sloly publicly accuses the truckers of engaging in “unlawful” and “harmful” activities, and of promoting “hatred” and “violence,” but provides no examples, facts, or arrests to support his accusations. The Chief calls for “order” to be “restored” even though “order” has not been lost. His fact-free rhetoric includes mention of an “increasingly volatile” and “increasingly dangerous” situation. As though speaking for an oppressive regime, Chief Sloly has repeatedly called for an “end” to the exercise of the fundamental Charter freedoms of expression, association and peaceful assembly by Canadians in their own capital city.

Yes, that is how the laptop class throughout much of the Western world does view things. And receiving a slap from reality doesn’t teach them anything very swiftly.

A cop who spoke out about politicians wanting police to be a goon squad fears he maybe in trouble. Actually, all of us lab rats are in trouble. That’s why this is happening.

Legacy media continue to reveal that their current mission is simply to protect authoritarian government by the laptop class

Perhaps no group has come off worse — to say nothing of ridiculous — in the Convoy battles against the COVID crazy than the government-funded media:

One legacy journalist in Ottawa mistook a ball weight attached to the end of a crane (to keep the chain from swinging wildly in the winter winds) for a wrecking ball aimed at the Parliament Buildings.

Trenchant critic of legacy media “[Ezra] Levant went on to boldly state that the elite members of the Canadian media are ‘intellectually and structurally incapable’ of understanding the working men and women of their country.” Remember this if your country is thinking of funding legacy media.

The once-proud Globe and Mail is now paid by the Canadian government to front this kind of stuff, with little inhouse opposition:
“How truck convoy supporters like Pierre Poilievre have weaponized ‘freedom’” As a matter of fact, it is called The Charter of Rights and Freedoms and it was intended to be “weaponized” peacefully against authoritarian government. The Globe and Mail’s National Affairs columnist Gary Mason should check it out it out some time.

The Globe and Mail is now also concern trolling: “Calling the Ottawa protests “peaceful” plays down non-violent dangers, critics say.” Jim Treacher responds,

“Non-violent dangers.” That’s right up there in the annals of liberal doublethink alongside “Fake but accurate” and “Fiery but mostly peaceful.”

I (O’Leary for News) have written for the Globe and Mail yay years ago (believe it or not, it was a story on… trucking). The paper now seems a sad relic of its honest years.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), wholly owned by the government in all senses and lavishly funded, featured a claim that the protesters were motivated by “Russian actors,” which only underlines how out-of-touch the largely unwatched CBC is:

Meanwhile, in a hilarious third-rate spoof version of American conventional wisdom — when Canadians try to imitate American pretensions, does it ever not end in a cringe-worthy self-own? — CBC announcer Nil Köksal went on air on January 28th and suggested the trucker protests were a Russian concoction. “Given Canada’s support of Ukraine in this current crisis with Russia,” she posited, to Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino, “there is concern that Russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this protest grows, or perhaps even instigating it from the outset.”

Here’s a reality check at upstart new medium Substack: from Rupa Subramanya: “I’ve spoken to 100 of the protestors gathered in the Canadian capital. What’s happening is far bigger than the vaccine mandates.”

The truckers were scared of running out of gas—freezing to death in their little truck beds in the middle of the night. The city threatened to arrest anyone who brought it to them. In response, hundreds of Ottawans did just that. The truckers stayed put.

They are a city inside a city whose inhabitants—there are an estimated 8,000 to 10,000—were outraged with a country that seemed to have forgotten they existed. This past Sunday, as if to confirm that suspicion, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who has yet to meet with Freedom Convoy leaders, took a personal day. On Monday, during an emergency debate at the House of Commons, he called them “a few people shouting and waving swastikas.”

I live in downtown Ottawa, within view of Parliament Hill, and have spent the past 10 days or so bundled up and walking around the protests. I have spoken to close to 100 protesters, truckers and other folks, and not one of them sounded like an insurrectionist, white supremacist, racist or misogynist…

The convoy is spearheaded by truckers, but its message of opposition to life under government control has brought onto the icy streets countless, once-voiceless people declaring that they are done being ignored. That the elites—the people who have Zoomed their way through the pandemic—had better start paying attention to the fentanyl overdoses, the suicides, the crime, the despair. Or else.

Remember, the media you hear spouting about swastikas and Confederate flags would be out of business if they depended on ordinary working Canadians to read and fund them. In that sense, they are desperate to hang on to the slush fund from the taxpayer that the elite has granted them.

And the gulf between the media and its former readers is widening to the extent that media don;’t really need to cover the news anymore:

My journey with this particular narrative began when I first learned from a social media post that an anti-mandate rally was being held in my city, Vancouver. When I tried to look for more information, there was no coverage in the mainstream media to be found. All I could locate were a couple posts in independent, online publications. Several thousand people attended the anti-mandate rally, yet one would never know this if one received their news from the mainstream press.


True. I (O’Leary for News) went downtown on a bet last Saturday and sure enough, there was an impressive convoy slow-rolling down Douglas Street. To find out much about it, I relied on social media and intuition.

In Ottawa, people are often just politely ignoring the police — as long as they can

Despite being forbidden to do so, they are bringing cans of gas to the truckers:

Gas can subterfuge:

With no end in sight for the entrenched protest, Ottawa police announced on Sunday they would be cracking down by arresting anyone giving “material aid” — such as fuel — to the protesters.

But on Tuesday, police revealed that demonstrators were trying to subvert officers by filling jerry cans with water, or just leaving them empty.

“It does provide a layer of logistical complexity to us,” said Steve Bell, Ottawa deputy police chief.

The police continue to take the cans but they don’t seem to be fazing the crowd.

The demonstrators now have constitutional lawyers on the case, though they really just want the politicians to ratchet down the COVID crazy:

Here, an elderly man is arrested for honking his horn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEPsuDLs0A

Added: 78-Year-Old Man Arrested for Honking in Support of Truckers’ Protest ‘Bruised’ and ‘Traumatized’: Lawyer Good. He has a lawyer. Legal counsel is one of the purposes of the funds the new totalitarian-lite governments are seizing.

The Ottawa police can’t immediately help the fact that they serve an elite that would be comfortable with an authoritarian/totalitarian state. But they had better address what that elite is turning them into soon.

Canada news

The Ambassador Bridge between Windsor (Canada) and Detroit (US) continues to be blockaded — “the truckers are peaceful but determined.”

“From Toronto and Quebec City to Alberta, truckers have assembled, demanding an end to the myriad useless COVID-19 lockdown mandates that are making all our lives miserable

The Emerson border crossing in Manitoba is also blocked.

And the border at Coutts, Alberta:

At Coutts, the government can’t find a towing company that is willing to tow the trucks away.

In Toronto (Canada’s biggest city):

Tensions grew between thousands of protesters and police at the intersection of Avenue Road and Bloor Street.

Big rig trucks approached police vehicles and subsequently blocked Bloor Street — a major artery in the city — for hours. Some expected to stay indefinitely. As more vehicles and big rigs joined, the streets and intersection became filled with supports chanting, “let them through,” and “we love you” to the few naysayers.

*(The threatened counter protest did not amount to much.)

Message: Stop. You don’t own us. We are not some of your many lab rats. By the way, while we are here, Canada belongs to the people of Canada, not to a privileged globalist elite who think they can make our lives hell for years on end and then shout insults and slanders, all the while evidence is mounting that their COVID strategies don’t really work any more.

US news

Governments are starting to backdown from mandates, lockdowns, and the useless mask crazy:

As recently as last month, when newly elected Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin ended mandatory mask rules in Virginia public schools, Democrats were calling him, essentially, a mass murderer.

But that was then. All of a sudden, we are told, “The science has changed.”

No, really, those were the words of CNN medical “expert” Dr. Leana Wen, leading Reason’s Robby Soave to ask, “Has anything fundamentally changed in the last six months, except for Democrats finally, belatedly realizing that militant masking is a political loser? The science didn’t change, the politics changed.”

Nevada ends the mask mandate, effective immediately

Masks on schoolkids are not a winning political cause:

Just recently, Democratic governors in New Jersey, Delaware, Oregon and Connecticut announced they would end their states’ school mask mandates. Even Randi Weingarten, head of American Federation of Teachers, signaled her willingness for masks to come off in schools. She admitted on MSNBC “no one wants masks in schools.” After years of threatening, suspending and holding back children from the classroom, Democrats and teachers’ unions are admitting that it is not science, but the politics that has changed.

Punditry in the U.S.

You Count Indiana:

This really has nothing to do with vaccines or vaccine safety, or vaccine mis/disinformation. It certainly has nothing to do with a commitment to truth. This is about money and power. Or money as an aspect of power. And it certainly has everything to do with totalitarianism and mass formation psychosis.

Karys Rhea at Newsweek:

Over the last two years, Canada has descended into the kind of mass-surveillance state you read about in dystopian novels. In December, the country’s public health agency admitted it has tracked data from 33 million devices monitoring people’s movement and activity during the lockdowns—and plans to continue doing so for the next five years. In a country of only 38 million people, that’s an extraordinary number. Other disturbing anecdotes of government overreach have emerged, from Canadian citizens being detained for weeks when entering the country with no ability to contact anyone, to Alberta police issuing tickets at unpermitted Christmas gatherings.

Now, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his state-sponsored media would have you believe that a fringe group of miscreants have hijacked the Canadian trucking industry. They’ve formed a violent convoy and stormed across the country to wreak havoc on the capital city of Ottawa. These odious, white supremacist truckers have been hurling abuse at small business workers, stealing food from the homeless and vandalizing sacred monuments. With the aim of spreading their anti-vaccine ideology and giving everyone COVID, these truckers simply have unacceptable views and share none of the higher ideals of the average Canadian citizen.

But none of this is true.


International news

French Convoyers are waving Canadian flags. “About 200 protesters assembled in a parking lot in Nice, on France’s Mediterranean coast, with many displaying Canadian flags in a nod to the truckers in Canada” (If interested in freedom from medical totalitarianism, be sure to secure a Canadian flag while you still can.)

Hockey Star Mike Fisher: Truckers Are Fighting for the Freedom of Every Single Person in Canada
Yes, and for everyone who waves a Canadian flag. Or would like to. 😉

Sweden is lifting restrictions: Swedish health minister says coronavirus is no longer classified as a danger to society

France, Greece, and Portugal have become the latest European countries to relax their COVID-19-related regulations, with the three nations easing travel restrictions.

The $8 million raised for the Canadian truckers in the Freedom Convoy by GiveSendGo has been frozen by an Ontario court: “The Ontario Superior Court of Justice ordered that all donations made through the “Freedom Convoy 2022” and “Adopt a trucker” campaigns on the Christian fundraising platform be frozen until further notice, according to a statement from Premier Doug Ford’s office.” “‘In a statement on Twitter, GiveSendGo wrote in an apparent response to the court order, “Know this! Canada has absolutely ZERO jurisdiction over how we manage our funds here at GiveSendGo.’”

When the elite is rebelling against the people, laws don’t matter. It was bound to happen and some truckers are looking into crypto or just cash. But money isn’t the big need. Determined, free people are.


You may also wish to read:

Let us listen to Dr. Robert Malone, dissenting expert, on the COVID-19 crisis

and, for what’s happening in suddenly famous Canada:

Convoy II : The police swoop in Ottawa: The Constitution? Old news now “Trust the science!” is starting to show its totalitarian face in Canada — but, as they slowly learn the facts, citizens are standing their ground, From the comments: “Canadians: ‘Be polite when you are being arrested.’ u guys rock!” (Sure, commenter. Canada belongs to the people of Canada. And this is how free people fight back. Serfs, by contrast, destroy things and attack people because they have no stake in a free and prosperous society.)

and

What I saw at the Freedom Convoy in downtown Victoria It was all friendly; people were having a good time. There was no violence; I heard no racial epithets and saw no racial insignia. So if media tell you that it is really about white nationalism, etc., remember that the legacy Canadian media are in fact supported to stay in business by the federal government. Because few depend on them for news any more.

506 Replies to “We’re not your lab rats any more: Convoy update III

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    BobRyan says:

    Their PM won’t even talk to a single trucker involved. He’s hiding, rather than showing up to work. It’s easy to claim all sorts of things when he hasn’t actually seen anything other than what his trusted new sources tell him. A leader addresses people like this. To at least find out what the truckers and those supporting them want and come to some sort of arrangement.

    Truckers are an important link in the supply chain of every country.

    If a leader loses the truckers to this extent, as in enough to shut of border crossing and other places outside Ottawa, the leader has already failed. With their busiest entry points shut down, they’ve effectively shut down most trade.

    Leaders acknowledge the problems and talk to those directly responsible for peaceful protests. A tyrant hides and refuses to speak to anyone who disagrees with him.

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    News says:

    BobRyan at 1, Trudeau is a manchild who is just not able to address these problems. The people calling for his resignation are not trying to overthrow the government. They think that we need a leader who listens and he needs a babysitter. Maybe someone in his cabinet is up to that first job.

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    Bob O'H says:

    Leaders acknowledge the problems and talk to those directly responsible for peaceful protests.

    That’s a really bad idea: the demonstrators have already shut down Ottawa and several car plants (by blocking the US-Canada bridges). If he validates their protests by speaking to them, it will encourage other protesters to do similar things. Would you really want to have your country shut down because of protesters?

  4. 4
    kairosfocus says:

    BO’H, there is such a thing as a right to petition for redress of grievances. It seems obvious that requests, letters, public objections etc have failed for want of responsiveness, so Canada is facing disruptive protests to get attention. At least, we are not looking at arson, mayhem and worse, did you object to that two years ago? KF

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    Bob O'H says:

    kf – yes, the protests are getting attention, but not in a way that’s likely to gain widespread support. The tactics look counter-productive. They’ve been talking about trying to stop the Super Bowl, which would be a well aimed metaphorical shot at their own feet.

    At least, we are not looking at arson, mayhem and worse,

    Except for where were are looking at arson, of course.

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    KRock says:

    @Bob O’H,

    The truckers are not attempting to stop the Super Bowl. My goodness! The hysteria being generated by some people concerning the Freedom Convoy is hilarious. And NO, Ottawa has not been shut down by the truckers. Any business downtown is free to open. In fact, some businesses have been the busiest they’ve been in two years.

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    kairosfocus says:

    BO’H:

    I glanced at the story:

    Munoz said there was a confrontation between some residents and a few anti-vaccine mandate protesters outside just hours before the fire.

    Police have not confirmed any link between their investigation into this incident and the ongoing convoy protest.

    At a special council meeting Monday afternoon, Mayor Jim Watson spoke about the alleged arson incident, including it among a list of harassment incidents against residents and disruptions in the city he blamed on the ongoing protest.

    KF

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    Seversky says:

    A lot of people have suffered economic, financial and personal hardship resulting from measures to try and contain the pandemic but this reads more like fanning the flames of class warfare and peddling conspiracy theories about global elites taking over the world. Requiring truckers, whose job by its nature means they could spread the disease far and wide, to be vaccinated and wear masks may be inconvenient but it’s no great hardship. They could still do their jobs and earn their money without putting others at unnecessary risk.

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    asauber says:

    “truckers, whose job by its nature means they could spread the disease far and wide”

    Sev,

    What percentage of the population do you think are truckers?

    Anyway the Experts tell us the SuperSpreader events occur when lots of people get together for lengthier periods of time. Truckers are isolated mostly. A Regular Person who travels between cities is just as risky or riskier.

    But anyway, I’m wasting my time Troll-Slumming.

    Andrew

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    Another one from Tucker Carlson:

    Tucker: Justin Trudeau is attacking human rights
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou5A8Glngr8

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    Striking for worker’s rights, something that the progressive Left is opposing, while siding with the big-corporate elites in management.
    It says a lot about the power of big corporations, the illusion that guys like Gates and Bezos give that they’re enlightened “friends of the people” and the reactionary response of the progressive rank-and-file to anything they fear might be “tainted” with whatever they don’t like. This will cause them to fight against the working-class (ridiculing them for being uneducated heathens).
    Mao Tse-Tung did the same thing. He killed millions of working class Chinese, all in the name of liberation for the lower classes.

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    😆 “When you scratch a liberal you discover a fascist”

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    jerry says:

    It’s finally coming out what this is all about. Money and Power.

    It has zero to do with the virus. That was just an extremely convenient pretext for control. When the virus disappears, it will pivot to something else.

    It’s all about something called ESG (Environment, Social (justice) and Governance) and everyone will have a ESG score on where they are rated. Right now businesses are rated which is why so many suddenly became woke in the last couple years.

    They were threatened by those controlling trillions of dollars of investment money.

    So truckers or protesters espousing freedom are anathema. They should know their place and do what their betters tell them.

    It’s interesting that some commenters here feel they are part of the betters. Little do they know that they too will be squelched as soon as they are no longer useful.

    But in the meantime, they are the “useful idiots” of old.

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    Scamp says:

    BobRyan:
    Their PM won’t even talk to a single trucker involved.

    There is no leader who would meet with protesters who’s stated demand is to overthrow the government.

    KF:
    BO’H, there is such a thing as a right to petition for redress of grievances.

    Shutting down businesses and putting thousands out of work is not petitioning for redress.

    It seems obvious that requests, letters, public objections etc have failed for want of responsiveness, so Canada is facing disruptive protests to get attention. At least, we are not looking at arson, mayhem and worse, did you object to that two years ago? KF

    There was plenty of responsiveness. They are just acting like spoiled children because they didn’t get the answer they want.

    KRock:
    The hysteria being generated by some people concerning the Freedom Convoy is hilarious. And NO, Ottawa has not been shut down by the truckers. Any business downtown is free to open. In fact, some businesses have been the busiest they’ve been in two years.

    There are plenty of businesses that can’t open because their staff are unwilling to deal with the protest. The biggest shopping mall downtown has been shuttered putting a couple thousand out of work. Truckers have also blocked the transborder bridges, putting thousands more out of work.

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    Seversky says:

    Being working class – or any other class – doesn’t mean you can ignore reasonable precautions to prevent the spread of a disease in a pandemic.

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    Scamp says:

    SilverAsiatic:
    Striking for worker’s rights, something that the progressive Left is opposing, while siding with the big-corporate elites in management.

    This is not striking for workers rights.

    Jerry:
    So truckers or protesters espousing freedom are anathema.

    I think hypocritical is the more appropriate word. In order to get freedom for everyone they are actively and intentionally denying the freedom of thousands.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, there are many forms of quite legitimate protest that do that, especially the general strike — look up the famous British one. We need to realise that whatever the merits and demerits, this comes after many lower levels of protest, argument and petition were blown off. There is clearly an emerging unaccountable elite and many things done by officialdom, the media and political leaders as well as science/medicine spokespersons have been highly dubious, damaging and economically dislocating for two years now. I am particularly struck by the way that for 1 1/2+ years a growing number of empirically warranted effective treatments [as opposed to cures, with viruses the trick is to buy time for the body to deal with the problem] have been marginalised on dubious grounds, where the course of events in Uttar Pradesh is a clear demonstration of what was blocked without good warrant under colour of the science etc. The its vaxxes and boosters forever [4th jab currently if you track Israel] vs you antisocial conspiracy theorist nazi antivaxxers is a clear false dilemma, there is need for rebalancing. To go with it, I am not impressed by how vaxx passports with QR codes were trotted out, which opens up surveillance and control state that uncomfortably echoes, “no man could buy or sell, save . . .” We are going to need to do a serious truth and reconciliation effort when this one is over, or else Governments and medicine as well as media are going to take a huge credibility hit for cause. KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, kindly explain to me therefore why officialdom, charged with just that, have sidelined the evidence coming from Uttar Pradesh especially on the third option, use of the growing list of treatments, joined to much more focussed measures similar to a bad flu year. Nor am I particularly impressed with the claims about masking, I personally think the best effect is to reduce hand to face contact, and that is marginal. I type this, sitting behind a mask in a Library where to come in, I had to sanitise hands [which I have been doing consistently]. KF

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    Bob O'H says:

    KRock @ 6- From NPR. There is literally a #ShutDownSuperBowl being used, and looking at it on twitter, yes some of the traffic is from people advocating, well, shutting down the super bowl (by blocking access). It may only be a portion of the trucking protesters, and in the end it might not happen, but it’s certainly being discussed.

    kf @ 7 – yes, the police have not confirmed a link, but the arson attempt did happen. It’s perhaps best to be a bit circumspect until the police say something more definitive than “we’re not saying anything”.

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    jerry says:

    I think hypocritical is the more appropriate word

    Now there is a hypocritical statement.

    Incredibile irony.

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    asauber says:

    So the historically statist commenters on this topic are in Us vs. Them mode, and surprisingly, they are falling on the totalitarian state side, regurgitating all the currently approved narrative points regarding the intended targets.

    I’d like to buy an argument, please.

    Andrew

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    KRock says:

    @Bob O’H

    I wouldn’t trust a word the NPR says. All they do is run cover for big media and the liberal elites. Let me repeat myself, NO convoy is shutting down the Super Bowl. Discussed maybe, but it’s NOT happening. Enough with the hysteria.

    @scamp

    You’re like a bad hemorrhoid that just won’t go away. Honestly, if employees don’t want to come into work because they refuse to deal with the protest, that’s on them, NOT the truckers and their supporters. There’s been zero incidences of violence, with crime in the inner part of city actually decreasing over the last few weeks. In reality, the businesses that have chosen to remain open are thriving and have also reported no incidences of intimidation or bullying from anyone affiliated with the Freedom Convoy. Again, the Rideau Center chose to close on its own accord—that’s on them, not the protest. Oddly enough, the same mall is usually open for much larger Canada Day celebrations. Yet, for some reason, the big meanie truckers have compelled them to close their doors.

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    Bob O'H says:

    KRock – OK, good, so you agree with me and NPR that it’s been discussed. I agree that it probably won’t happen, but we’ll see.

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    jerry says:

    they are falling on the totalitarian state side

    I have been trying to find a cartoon that I texted 6 weeks ago. In it had two drawings with the same hippie like character

    One side: 1971 – hippie in Volkswagen Bus with stickers “ down with CIA”, “screw the establishment” “resist authority” “free speech and free love” “peace symbol”

    Other side: 2021 – same hippie character in huge SUV with stickers “ obey establishment” “ no free speech” “do what you are told” “love CDC” “mask up”

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    Scamp says:

    Ontario declares state of emergency.
    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6347810

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    jerry says:

    Meanwhile in Nevada, kids learn no more masks

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1492149872513933322

    I wonder if Canada will try to prevent money from crossing the border to help truckers as it reveals its totalitarian inclinations.

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    jerry says:

    As I said I am on a cruise. Witnessed a lot of totalitarian behavior so far in places. And a lot of resistance too. I met a whole group of Canadians embarrassed at their government’s behavior.

    Bringing out my “Live Free or Die” mask as I pass the government apparatchiks. Some of these people would have fit in well in 1930’s Germany while others give you an approving wink.

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    KRock says:

    @Jerry

    Isn’t that the truth!

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    Fasteddious says:

    I expect the main reason for Premier Ford’s “state of emergency” is the closing of the Windsor bridge, which affects many Ontario businesses badly. On the other hand, it is clear that he has been listening (only?) to the legacy media’s skewed reporting. One of the brainless things he said today was that the truckers were “holding a city of one million people hostage”, referring to the truckers in Ottawa.
    I drove someone into Ottawa this morning for a medical appointment on Laurier Ave., just six short blocks from Parliament hill. There were no loud trucks, no blocked roads and everything seemed normal enough: businesses open, people moving about their business, traffic moving fine everywhere. So much for a city under siege.
    If you look at the Ottawa map showing the blockages, there are only 28 or so streets with partial blockages (a few blocks each), all within six blocks of Parliament Hill. I expect that there are no more than a thousand people living in that area, and it is easy to walk out of it (downtown blocks are short). Thus, it seems the mayor, the police, Premier Ford, and of course, the legacy media have blown the whole thing way out of proportion.

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    polistra says:

    FWIW, the columnist who said that states of emergency are different was wrong. In the US, the ‘state of emergency’ is also a financial step. Cities start handling a tornado or flood with their own local resources. The ‘state of emergency’ comes several days later, and it just opens a channel for federal funding to help cover the local expenditure. It’s basically an insurance claim between government layers.

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    Scamp says:

    Now we will see if the protesters are law-abiding, as they claim.
    https://apple.news/AIwoyi44BTR27g4MM3U1Vwg

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, the first issue is what is the judge’s specific reasoning, is it just, fair, balanced and judicious? Especially when governments have been blockading the general economy on dubious scientific claims about masks and the officialdom’s marginalisation of credibly effective treatments for 1 1/2+ years; i.e. the pandemic policy is itself arguably a lawless blockade on economic and social life threatening livelihood and opening the doors to a lawless surveillance and control state. Where, one-sidedness and inconsistency undermines the ruling. So, we are credibly at threshold of a revolutionary situation with a long train of abuses and usurpations on the table. In such a situation, lawfare can easily become an instrument of oppression and frustration of normal means of petition for redress. The question then becomes withdrawal of the consent of the governed. In absence of addressing the underlying issue, overreaction to civil disobedience and one sidedness become hallmarks of abuse of means of defending the civil peace of justice, including policing power, courts and means of petition. I am not sure of the degree of support in parliament for motions of censure and no confidence, but that is the ultimate platform for at minimum airing remonstrance. Ironic to see the reactions when civil disobedience is now on the other foot. Maybe I should ask the question, were slave rebellions justified, why or why not? Were Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King and others? KF

    PS, I again point to Uttar Pradesh in India and how it broke the surge of CV-19 through resorting to the marginalised treatments.

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    BobRyan says:

    It is fascinating to watch perception played out by supporters and opponents. It reminds me of Israel defending herself against Hamas, an Iranian backed terrorist group, rockets. Those who paid attention to what was really happening supported Israel. Those who never looked at the facts condemned Israel.

    The truckers, if anyone does research, are not demanding Trudeau to step down. They are not rushing into government buildings to take over. They are calling for an end to the mandates, which have been proven ineffective. When two months turns into two years, it is not an effective solution.

    They have broad support inside Canada and out. Locals are bringing them gas and food. The police have started confiscating gas cans, but locals continue to bring them to the truckers. People who honk in support were so loud throughout the city that Ottawa banned honking. An elderly man was arrested for honking.

    10% of Canadians are truckers and many are involved throughout the country. Game theory shows what they are doing is working. All they have to do is hold out longer than the government. Tow truck drivers throughout Canada are refusing to tow the trucks.

    If they arrest the drivers, the trucks will still be in place. There are not enough drivers to move them. Trudeau has the only option of losing, since even a draw is a loss. It is just a matter of how badly he loses.

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    Eugene says:

    This could easily turn into another Jan 6th, albeit on steroids. The entire event was obviously pre-planned by TPTB, with the vax mandates for truckers announced to justify the event. The event is obviously being guided by professional actors. It remains to be seen – what this event is going to be used for.

    Sure, it could be used (by TPTB that is) to stage “an uprising which topples the existing government”, but it is a lot more likely this event will be used as a justification for rolling out military checkpoints “to save our supply lines from white supremacist terrorists sabotage”.

    Sadly people have not learned anything from Jan. 6th. There is no real competing force to the Cabal, or at least that competing force is well hiding. History teaches that peasant uprisings are futile, and this isn’t even a real uprising. It is a “stimulated” one.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Eugene, yes the issue of false flag action, entrapment and use of lawfare and agit prop are things we all need to ponder, given the history of the Reichstag fire as a telling case of what can be done by lawless officials. I rather doubt that this protest is as a whole such a trap, it is too big. But doubtless there can be such involvement. What I think needs to happen in Ottawa and Washington DC is a sober pondering of the Reichstag fire and drawing out of pointed public lessons in warning. Then, we need to take a sober rethink on what has been happening, hearing grievances seriously. Then, onward we need to rebalance policy and find ways to prevent what has gone wrong from happening again. KF

    PS: There are two key successful uprisings, the American and Haitian revolutions. The later is the most successful slave uprising but of course in the aftermath the powers did huge damage starting with 26 French warships lined across the waterfront of the capital, cannon at the ready (British connivance was obvious a decade or so after Waterloo) and forcing a huge payment that broke Haiti economically.

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    jerry says:

    So are all these Canadian officials complicit in crimes against humanity as they use misinformation to drive legal powers against the truckers?

    https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/breaking-president-trump-mrs-trump-ms-hicks-are-positive-for-cv-19/#comment-746766

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    jerry says:

    The virus is spreading. No I don’t mean C19 but the trucker virus

    MASSIVE: A bird’s eye view of the convoy heading to Parliament House right now in Canberra

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1492287670223253506

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    jerry says:

    Tweet by Dan Crenshaw

    The good guys are the ones demanding universal freedoms for all.

    The bad guys are the ones restricting freedoms, while claiming moral superiority as their basis for doing so.

    #CanadianTruckers

    https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1492269790324477956

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    Scamp says:

    Police have started to move in.
    https://apple.news/AFR45b8KJT8miN-JTGS6LDA

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    Scamp says:

    KF:
    The question then becomes withdrawal of the consent of the governed.

    Yes. It’s called an election.

    The protesters are just acting like babies because they didn’t get their way. They are not acting on the behalf of the majority of Canadians. They have labeled this the Freedom Convoy yet they have acted in ways that have removed the freedom of thousands.

    One of the head organizers is on record of saying that the only way this will be resolved is with bullets. Those are not the words of a peaceful protest.

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    jerry says:

    The Science is with the truckers. The Canadian government calls them fascist but it they who are acting as fascists.

    Open Letter to the Canadian Truckers

    Benito Mussolini once said “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of the state and corporate power.”

    Dr. RW Malone

    https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/open-letter-to-the-canadian-truckers

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    William J Murray says:

    Scamp said:

    They have labeled this the Freedom Convoy yet they have acted in ways that have removed the freedom of thousands.

    Unintentionally ironic comment of the year.
    The freedom of hundreds of millions has been removed in much more severe ways by governments around the world for two years now, but what the truckers are doing in resistance and protest against that is, to you, over the line?

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    jerry says:

    One of the head organizers is on record of saying that the only way this will be resolved is with bullets

    This is the strategy of the left.

    If they do such egregious things, their hope is that someone will react so they then can say they are protecting the people and use force to shut down dissent.

    It was done all throughout 2020 by allowing massive demonstrations that both killed and destroyed. But with no success. Then a bunch of unarmed people, mostly harmless, stormed the Capitol. The left got their wish though no one was armed.

    It’s what they desperately want in Canada. A game of Chicken in which one side provokes the other side to violence and then feigns indignation that they have been reasonable.

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    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    Unintentionally ironic comment of the year.
    The freedom of hundreds of millions has been removed in much more severe ways by governments around the world for two years now, but what the truckers are doing in resistance and protest against that is, to you, over the line?

    No. The comment was made to intentionally point out the irony of “protestors” attempting to gain their “freedom” by intentionally removing the freedom of thousands of others.

    Everybody wants a return to normality but we have also seen what happens when you make pandemic decisions based on ideology, ignoring the advice of public health officials. Last summer Alberta’s Premier lifted all restrictions. The result was a Delta wave proportionately larger than any other province. The health care system was so overwhelmed that they were forced to have physiotherapists work in their ICUs.

    The protesters’ demands are ridiculous. A reasonable demand would be to ask the government to present a reopening plan with the triggers that would have to occur to move it from one stage to the next. But that is not what they are demanding. They are demanding the immediate lifting of all restrictions regardless of the consequences.

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    William J Murray says:

    Scamp @44:
    Have you never been involved in a negotiation process? You never start with what is “reasonable.” You begin by demanding the moon. You do what it takes make sure you get the other side’s attention, make it so they cannot just ignore you, and to let them know you are serious.

    Do you think it is reasonable to force people to take a series of injections for which no long-term studies have been done, or else they lose their jobs?

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    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    Do you think it is reasonable to force people to take a series of injections for which no long-term studies have been done, or else they lose their jobs?

    How would you define “long-term”? Years? Decades?

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    William J Murray says:

    Scamp said:

    How would you define “long-term”? Years? Decades?

    That’s your point of contention? How long we studied the potential side effects?

    Let’s just remove that part, then. Do you think it is reasonable, with what we currently know about COVID-19 and what we currently know about the effects of the injections, to force people to take those injections under threat of losing their job?

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    William J Murray says:

    So far, the truckers and others rallying to their cause are engaging in a textbook example of peaceful protest and civil disobedience. It doesn’t matter if they represent the majority or not; this is how people are supposed to protest and engage in civil disobedience against what they consider to be bad practices/laws/mandates enacted by the government.

    If we can’t appreciate how they are doing what they are doing regardless of whether or not we agree with their point, even if it represents an inconvenience or a disruption in our lives, we don’t deserve our own freedoms. I am 100% supportive of any peaceful protest and acts of peaceful civil disobedience carried out by those who believe they are being harmed or oppressed by the actions or laws of any government, whether I agree with their point or not.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, a pivotal point is that on the table — or it would be if it were not being marginalised dubiously — is a third option, the growing number of credibly effective antivirals. Already, it is clear (though marginalised) that with rather low vaxx rates and crowded poor urban population, Uttar Pradesh in India [240+ mns] used a modified Zelenko protocol to break what seems to be the Delta wave there; based on what was widely slandered by lockstep officialdom and media as toxic horse worm medicine with a substitute for Azithromycin, with vits C, D and Zn. That’s a population level result, and it means officialdom has been locking us into a false dilemma for 1 1/2+ years. That needs to reshape how we think going forward. KF

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    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    That’s your point of contention? How long we studied the potential side effects?

    Nope. I just wanted to understand what you would accept as “long enough”.

    Let’s just remove that part, then. Do you think it is reasonable, with what we currently know about COVID-19 and what we currently know about the effects of the injections, to force people to take those injections under threat of losing their job?

    I am fine with employers requiring either vaccination or frequent testing. The choice they opt for should be the employee’s. But I have no problem at all with employers requiring masking for employees at risk of loosing their job, except when they have a medical exemption. But only for as long as the public health experts believe they are still needed.

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    Seversky says:

    And the Christian Nationalist right although, unsurprisingly, it’s not usually covered here.

    New report details the influence of Christian nationalism on the insurrection

    A team of scholars, faith leaders and advocates unveiled an exhaustive new report Wednesday (Feb. 9) that documents in painstaking detail the role Christian nationalism played in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and calling it an unsettling preview of things to come.

    Christian nationalism was used to “bolster, justify and intensify the January 6 attack on the Capitol,” said Amanda Tyler, head of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, which sponsored the report along with the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Tyler’s group is behind an initiative called Christians Against Christian Nationalism.

    […]

    The report, written chiefly by Andrew L. Seidel, an author and director of strategic response at the Freedom From Religion Foundation, details Christian nationalist rhetoric and symbols that cropped up at events that preceded the insurrection, such as the Million MAGA March and Jericho Marches that took place in Washington in Dec. 2020 and Jan. 2021.

    Christian nationalist symbols and references, Seidel writes, were ubiquitous at those gatherings, as well as the insurrection itself: flags with superimposed American flags over Christian symbols; “An Appeal to Heaven” banners; prayers recited by members of the extremist group Proud Boys shortly before the attack or by others as they stormed the Capitol.

    Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Seidel highlighted what he called the preponderance of “openly militant” rhetoric that conflated religion and violence. He pointed to William McCall Calhoun Jr., a Georgia lawyer who reportedly claimed on social media that he was among those who “kicked in Nancy Pelosi’s office door” on Jan. 6. (Calhoun later claimed in an interview with the Atlanta Journal Constitution that he did not personally enter any office.)

    “God is on Trump’s side. God is not on the Democrats’ side,” Calhoun allegedly wrote in a social media post. “And if patriots have to kill 60 million of these communists, it is God’s will. Think ethnic cleansing but it’s anti-communist cleansing.”

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    BobRyan says:

    The truckers are not seditious. They have not demanded an overthrow of the Canadian government or even for Trudeau to step down. It is a peaceful protest to demand Trudeau give up his power as a dictator. By ending the mandates, he looses his power to dictate to Canadians whatever he wishes.

    Internal poling has been done by the Canadian government. Common procedure to get an idea of how effective propaganda is, which is what much of the Canadian media is. If it were working on the majority of Canadians, even a small majority, they would release the data as proof Canadians side with Trudeau. The only reason not to release is most do not object to the truckers.

    The truckers in any nation will always have the advantage, when close to unified. Without truck drivers, nothing gets moved. Most people who drive have no idea the skill required. If they lock up all the drivers, they won’t find enough people who know what they are doing to move trucks, which would mean the trucks remain right where they are.

    Another aspect to the protest, beyond the truckers, are the tow truck drivers who specialize in moving semis. It takes specialized equipment to move a semi. An average tow truck isn’t moving a semi anywhere. Those tow truck drivers who have the specialized equipment and know what they are doing are not helping move a single truck.

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    BobRyan says:

    The truckers have more than support of tow truck drivers, but locally. The locals are the ones bringing fuel and honking their horns. If there were only minimal support, why have they made both illegal in Ottawa?

    The only reason to make an action illegal is if enough people support bringing fuel and honking their horns. Again, those are not people from outside Ottawa coming to support, but mostly those who live there.

    The only flag I have seen on a truck or held by a supporter is the Canadian Maple Leaf, which looks nothing like a Swastika. There are people from all backgrounds and nations, including Iranian who fled the brutality of Iran.

    There are no white nationalists that anyone can find. There have been no reporters talking to anyone who sounds even close to racist, when the reporters bother to interview anyone involved in the protest.

    Trudeau is from a very wealthy family and has nothing but contempt for workers, like the truck drivers he will not even meet with.

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    William J Murray says:

    Scamp said:

    The choice they opt for should be the employee’s.

    So, do you agree that it’s reasonable to object to being put in the position of “take the shots or get fired?” … or, “Take the shots, keep your “vaccine passport” updated, or you cannot do your job any more?” You agree that there should be another option – testing – that should be offered?

    By the way you worded your response, I assume you agree that the alternative should be an option.

    If the option is not given to a large number of people who will lose their livelihood if they refuse the shots, what do you think a reasonable course of action would be? Do you think it is unreasonable to protest such a state of affairs?

  57. 57
    William J Murray says:

    Scamp said:

    But only for as long as the public health experts believe they are still needed.

    Is there a reason I should trust public health officials? Let’s look at what the CDC has known at least since 12-09-2020:

    From the CDC:

    This table shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death.

    That’s an average of 3 co-morbidities involved in 94% of all Covid-19 deaths reported.

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to issue a health warning to people with co-morbidities to self-isolate, wear masks, advise them to get vaccinated, etc., instead of forcing vaccines and masks on the vast majority of the population who have no co-morbidities, and so are at very little risk of being hospitalized or dying from COVID-19?

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, you are in danger of falling victim to a Reichstag Fire agit prop narrative and agenda. On Jan 6 2021, you manifestly had a riot on the fringes of a protest rally with associated trespass [much of which was peaceful and respectful of the Capitol], not an insurrection, especially, not an armed insurrection. There is also evidence of over-reaction by police leading to fatalities, plural; I have in mind IIRC a Ms Boyland. A good test is, what did you think and say across 2020 while riots and mayhem, arson and murder were stalking the streets, under the colours of Black Lives Matter and Antifa? What is the declared agenda of the Marxist founders of BLM for example and what was your reaction to it? Bringing back to focus on the very different Canadian truckers protest movement, what is your response to the imposition of the dominant narrative of vaxxes and repeat boosters vs you antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers, why? What is your response to the Uttar Pradesh case of low vaxx rates but strong use of a modified Zelenko protocol and its impact? Do you think that those who have concerns about a relatively high incidence of adverse events associated with these vaxxes as compared with others of recent years, including say the Vaxx withdrawn c 1976 due to several dozen adverse reaction incidents? KF

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    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    So, do you agree that it’s reasonable to object to being put in the position of “take the shots or get fired?” … or, “Take the shots, keep your “vaccine passport” updated, or you cannot do your job any more?” You agree that there should be another option – testing – that should be offered?

    Yes.

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    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    Wouldn’t it make more sense to issue a health warning to people with co-morbidities to self-isolate, wear masks, advise them to get vaccinated, etc., instead of forcing vaccines and masks on the vast majority of the population who have no co-morbidities, and so are at very little risk of being hospitalized or dying from COVID-19?

    I prefer to do what is necessary to allow people with co-morbidities to enjoy their lives with minimal risk. If that means that we all wear masks when in close proximity to others, what is the harm?

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    Scamp says:

    KF:
    A good test is, what did you think and say across 2020 while riots and mayhem, arson and murder were stalking the streets, under the colours of Black Lives Matter and Antifa?

    And what did you think and say about the vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests that were peaceful?

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    Scamp says:

    BobRyan:
    The truckers are not seditious. They have not demanded an overthrow of the Canadian government or even for Trudeau to step down.

    What would you call an attempt to bypass parliament?

    https://canada-unity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Combined-MOU-Dec03.pdf?

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, my comment at the time was that this was in key part predicated on misunderstanding of the circumstances and that while there are many things to be improved it is unfair and inaccurate to project the notion that our civilisation and especially Caucasians in it are so hopelessly caught up in racism essentially across the board that the lot need to be discredited, dismissed, overthrown or “transformed” and replaced by state formations based on Frankfurt School derived culture form marxist thinking. I took note of the founders of BLM, the cases that were used to launch it, positions taken (especially by founders) and also similarly for Antifa. In addition, I pointed out significant parallels to colour revolution pushes and to the way people were used as red guards by Mao et al. Of course, I was concerned about the spreading of riots, looting, arson, mayhem and murder across the continental scale and how the media reported it by and large. The push of calls to abolish the police, I saw as anticivilisational, and more. As the situation evolved to January 6th and aftermath, I for cause highlighted the dangers of patterns set by the Reichstag fire in Germany, and have noted disturbing mistreatment of the detained. KF

    PS: As race has now become a “qualification” to speak (itself a sobering sign of what has gone ever so wrong), I note I am of predominantly afro-caribbean stock. One whose Father could not study Actuarial math in the 1950’s because of entrenched racism [so he did Economics], but whose son has — without knowing that snippet of history — chosen to study Actuarial Science in the 2020’s, with that not even being an issue.

  64. 64
    William J Murray says:

    Scamp said :

    If that means that we all wear masks when in close proximity to others, what is the harm?

    The only kind of mask that is reported effective is the N95 when properly utilized.

    First: how many people are using N95 masks? Second, how many are properly using them? Are people being advised about the problems associated with extended mask usage?

    Use of N95 masks has been shown come with a host of “physiological burdens:” Did you know that every healthcare worker is supposed to be medically cleared before prolonged use of N95 masks because of these potential burdens and physiological affects, which can impair various cognitive functions and abilities?

    https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/06/10/ppe-burden/

    Were you aware of any of this? Was the general population aware of this back when we were led to believe that cloth masks were effective, which we now know were not? Have we had any studies done on potential dangers of long-term mask usage? Have we been advised on how to properly manage our mask usage as per the information in the paper I linked to? Do we know what the short and long-term psychological effects are?

    Again, why should I trust what public health officials say, when I can research it for myself? I’d estimate that virtually NO average layperson is properly using an N95 mask. Even the people demanding we wear them don’t wear them when they should be, and don’t use them properly. Why on Earth would I think wearing masks is effective if, in order to be effective, they have to be worn and used correctly, which virtually no one other than fully trained medical personnel does, or even knows how? Why, then, should I comply with what “public health officials” say?

  65. 65
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, you obviously failed to recognise a form of petition for redress of grievances and to see that it does not “bypass” parliament, as the Senate in Canada would be a relevant house of Parliament, I believe that the Queen would be ex officio a member of parliament if Canada follows typical Commonwealth praxis so the GG would be also a member as acting for HM:

    Canada Unity (CU) offers this “Memorandum” to the Senate of Canada and the Governor General of Canada, the highest authorities representing the Federal Government (SCGGC) as “The Government of Canada”. Acceptance by endorsement of this “Memorandum” and its valuable considerations, will solidify our mutual accord as further detailed in the understanding

    So, sorry, you have set up and knocked over a strawman.

    KF

    PS, MoU’s have no legal force as a rule, simply reflecting a gentleman’s agreement. They may of course have moral force and force of what they purport to be, mutual agreement.

  66. 66
    Scamp says:

    KF, neither the Senate nor the GG can impose law without approval of the House of Commons, nor can they revoke laws already passed. So they have no authority over changing the COVID mandates in this fashion.

    However, there is one way the trucker’s MOU could possibly affect a change to the COVID mandates. The GG has the power to remove the Prime Minister. Effectively overthrowing a democratically elected government.

    Which brings us to another option proposed by the truckers. In this, they are pressuring the opposition parties to form a coalition government. Which, again, would result in an overthrow of the government.

    But BobRyan claims that they are not demanding the overthrow of the government or the removal of the Prime Minister when, clearly, they are.

    So, sorry, you have set up and knocked over a strawman.

    In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya “I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”

  67. 67
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, this is a toxic distraction, reflective of undue polarisation. This is in the form of a gentleman’s agreement but in reality is a petition of protest for redress of grievance, for cause. The context is that people are finding basic liberties and livelihood threatened under colour of pandemic response. Where, we have a clutch of vaxxes that are significantly more prone to adverse reactions than established, normal vaccines. They are looking like being of rather short effect and requiring multiple boosters mere months apart. The effect is highly limited, not being sterilising. Masks have a lot of serious questions, whether typical ones or the N95s. A growing number of effective treatments are being sidelined and maligned, even though for instance Uttar Pradesh shows the path not taken. Lockstep officialdom and media claiming to have settled science in hand do not help. In that context, a lot of people are increasingly dubious about the official, conventional wisdom and the unresponsiveness of officialdom. Things like that are not good and it is time for serious rethinking. BTW, officialdom would do well to heed the Nuremberg Code, especially given its context. KF

  68. 68
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, this is a toxic distraction, reflective of undue polarisation. This is in the form of a gentleman’s agreement but in reality is a petition of protest for redress of grievance, for cause.

    And the only redress possible by this MOU is for the GG to overthrow the government. Perhaps the organizers weren’t aware of this and that is why they withdrew the MOU.

  69. 69
    Scamp says:

    WJM:
    The only kind of mask that is reported effective is the N95 when properly utilized.

    No, the N95 is the mask reported as being the most effective. Surgical masks have also been shown to reduce rates of infection.
    https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_Second_Stage_Paper_20211108.pdf.pdf

  70. 70
    kairosfocus says:

    PS, I see this article:

    https://torontosun.com/news/national/convoy-plans-to-replace-canadas-elected-government-the-stuff-of-fantasy

    Convoy plans to replace Canada’s elected government the stuff of fantasy

    Canada Unity doesn’t want a violent overthrow of the Trudeau administration, they are looking for help from the Senate and Governor General.
    Author of the article:
    Brian Lilley
    Publishing date:
    Jan 28, 2022 • January 28, 2022

    One of the groups organizing people to join the convoy headed to Ottawa wants more than just an end to vaccine mandates, they want an end to the current government.
    Article content

    The organization calling itself Canada Unity doesn’t want a violent overthrow of the Trudeau administration, they are actually looking for help from the Senate and Governor General.

    A document posted on the group’s website entitled the “Memorandum of Understanding” seeks an agreement with Canada Unity representing the people of Canada, the Senate represented by speaker George Furey, and Governor General Mary Simon. Some things the document does not mention include Parliament, the elected House of Commons, cabinet or Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

    The agreement states clearly that “the purpose of achieving the various aims and objectives relating to the no mandatory vaccine, no vaccine passport, no discrimination, no fine regulations/programs and no segregation initiatives et al on Private and Government bodies, institutions et al citizens and people and or entities.”

    There is nothing in Canadian law that would allow such an agreement to override the duly elected government represented in the Commons. That doesn’t appear to raise cause for concern for the people behind Canada Unity, who refer to the Senate and Governor General as “the highest authorities representing the Federal Government.”.

    Now, again, whatever the form or phrasing, we are looking at an obvious petition for redress, appealing to basic human rights (and sadly Courts have a rather mixed record on rights, across time.)

    Also, it looks like there is need for a civics lesson on Westminster Government. Governments and their officers are subject at any time to censure and to vote of no confidence. The latter takes down a Government. Actually, in May 1940 a Debate on adjournment in London, the Norway Debate, turned into a no confidence issue. The Govt actually won the vote but felt its credibility fatally weakened. It resigned and that is how Churchill became PM on May 10, 1940 just as Guderian’s Panzers rolled.

    So, PM’s are subject to recall, and Governments may fall between Elections. BTW, in WWI, that happened too and that’s how Lloyd George rose to Office. IIRC in the 1870’s another Govt fell like that. Go brush up on Erskine May.

    Parliament is the senior arm of govt and Cabinets are accountable to parliament. Indeed, standard definition of PM is s/he who has support of the parliamentary majority. Other ministers generally serve with the PM.

    So, the real issue is not whether a petition for redress has been given or drafted but that there are strong signs of public loss of confidence. As, in Westminster style systems a 5% shift in support for parties in close balance can shift elections dramatically, leading to far wider swings in seats, parties are very sensitive to loss of public confidence. It is possible to see vote of no confidence or far before that a simple resignation and replacement, even within a PM’s own Party. That happened with Thatcher.

    So, we shall see.

    The one thing I am highly confident of is that essentially nobody including truckers wants to overthrow parliamentary democracy in Canada. I am pretty sure those painting the petition in lurid colours know that too, but it is convenient to have a toxic distractor.

    It is even working here at UD, making me (as base drafter of a motion of no confidence some years back who later had to help put together a defence against another similar motion) have to take up some civics issues when far more relevant and serious matters on gross and in some parts dangerous mismanagement of a pandemic should instead be our focus.

    KF

    PS, such collapse of Govt and swearing in of a new Cabinet would go through the living rubber stamp, GG acting for HM. Here, the Governor actually has far more power, more than a C18 monarch in Britain. The joys of being an OT.

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    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Now, again, whatever the form or phrasing, we are looking at an obvious petition for redress, appealing to basic human rights (and sadly Courts have a rather mixed record on rights, across time.)

    Then the petition to redress was addressed to the wrong party. The Senate cannot make any changes to law without commons approval. Neither can the GG, however she does have the authority to remove a Prime Minister if he does something in violation of the constitution. Something that has never been done in Canada.

    Also, it looks like there is need for a civics lesson on Westminster Government. Governments and their officers are subject at any time to censure and to vote of no confidence.

    Thanks for the condescension.

    Yes, but this can only be done by the House of Commons. The MOU was not addressed to them.

    You also haven’t addressed the fact that this MOU has been withdrawn.

  72. 72
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, are you someone who grew up under a Westminster parliamentary system? If not (and in many cases if so) you may not be familiar with the implicit dynamics of the system, especially as typical first past the post seats multiply small margins so seats shift far more than votes, typically. That means, parties are very sensitive to shifts in popular support. Further to which, significant protests or rising opposition can drastically shift balance in parliament. As such, expressions of grievance with obvious support — and Brexit was a very recent reminder — have potentially formal implications and informal influence. Recall, I already noted that one’s own party can take down a failed leader before things reach to stirring a vote of no confidence or censure. So, the sorts of flaws in the structure of the petition, which was obviously drafted by people lacking in understanding of the detailed civics — unsurprising — are almost irrelevant; as is the withdrawal you talk about, the point is, protest. Though, they are handy hooks for those only too eager to stereotype, scapegoat and polarise. So, I steeply discount pretended horror over oh these extremists want to overthrow: OVERTHROW IS BUILT INTO THE STRUCTURE OF PARLIAMENT, REQUIRING ONLY A SIMPLE VOTE ON A MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE. Ask the ghost of Neville Chamberlain. Technically, loss of a vote of confidence has the same effect, too; and Govt’s call for that to forestall the more dangerous no confidence vote, IIRC Churchill called one in 1943, he lost in 1945 and it was 1951 before he ever won a popular election. Then, there is the good old three week notice snap election, often taken to ride a wave of popularity or more riskily, to thy to extinguish erosion of support before it is fatal. Note, in typical five year systems, average terms are like 3 – 4 years. I read this storm in a teacup — complete with histrionic hand wringing over those barbarians at the gates — as cynical spin doctors trying to save an administration and fairly likely to fail. Hey, it’s CANADA, so well governed and so stable politically it’s boring. This begins to sound like BREXIT 2, Canada style. Meanwhile all of this including the above exchange is a distraction on mismanagement of a pandemic. Try another gambit. KF

  73. 73
    Scamp says:

    JF:
    Sc, are you someone who grew up under a Westminster parliamentary system?

    Please stop the patronizing attitude. I have spent 65+ years in Canada, over thirty of them in Ottawa. I am very familiar with our system of government, minority governments, votes of non-confidence, and the powers of the senate and the GG.

    If you are as familiar with parliamentary democracy as you claim to be, you will also realize that many of the rules that govern them are a matter of tradition, not written rules.

    There is nothing stopping a member of the opposition party proposing a bill to end all restrictions (private members bill). And, even if successful, that would not be a vote of non-confidence. But as I mentioned, the MOU never took that stance. Instead, they approached the Senate and the GG.

    The current opposition party in Canada just turfed their leader. They are a divided party, which works well for liberals. The third party is the Bloc Québécois, a party who’s sole purpose is to break up Canada. So much for your claim of Canadian politics being boring.

    You have repeatedly taken my comments out of context and blown them out of proportion. I am opposed to the vaccine mandate. However, I support mask mandates under certain circumstances simply because they are not infringing in anyone’s freedoms and provide a level of limiting the spread of COVID.

    My problem with the trucker convoy is their tactics, not all of their demands. If you want support from a populace that, for the majority, was opposed to your demands, you don’t win them over by direct actions that cost them their jobs and increase everyone’s costs. You don’t do it by occupying a downtown core of a city negatively impacting those that work and/or live there. All this does is detract from any valid message you are trying to convince people of.

  74. 74
    Scamp says:

    It appears that the people of Ottawa are starting to take things into their own hands.
    https://twitter.com/riverwardriley/status/1492954561002233859?s=21
    From a town commonly referred to as “the town that fun forgot”, this is a big step.

  75. 75
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, I am not being patronising, I needed clarification. So you should have familiarity with the point and there is no further need for expansion. The government has a problem because of its tin ear and the PM may be fatally wounded politically or close. The issue is to rethink the blunder laced pandemic policy and change. Uttar Pradesh is a lesson to be heeded. KF

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Scamp
    I have spent 65+ years in Canada

    I bet you watch only canadian state television and CNN . Did you know 40% of covid deaths are from nursing homes? Klaus Schwab boasts about getting Justin Trudeau and most of his cabinet on his WEF team

  77. 77
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    The government has a problem because of its tin ear and the PM may be fatally wounded politically or close. The issue is to rethink the blunder laced pandemic policy and change.

    The PM has serious problems, but they have little to do with his COVID restrictions. The feds restrictions are limited to vaccine and mask requirements requirements to fly or use the train, pre-flight testing for those returning to Canada, vaccine or quarantine requirements for Canadian truckers returning to Canada, and vaccine requirements for federal workers. They have no jurisdiction over business lock-downs, masking requirements in public and private spaces, vaccine requirements by employers, indoor and outdoor gathering limits, etc.

    Apart from a slow start with vaccine availability, he gets high marks on the roll-out of vaccines, to the point that Canada has one of the highest vaccination rates. In fact, truckers are over 90% vaccinated.

    But don’t get me wrong. I think that Trudeau us an idiot, and the sooner he is gone, the better. Unfortunately, there is little alternative at this point.

    LCD:
    I bet you watch only canadian state television and CNN . Did you know 40% of covid deaths are from nursing homes?

    And one of the classes of diseases with the largest increase in seniors homes are STDs. But what does any of this have to do with the trucker occupation in Ottawa.

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    But what does any of this have to do with the trucker occupation in Ottawa.

    😆

    KF.
    Uttar Pradesh a lesson to be heeded.

    Now you get what is the connection?

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    Seversky says:

    William J Murray/57

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to issue a health warning to people with co-morbidities to self-isolate, wear masks, advise them to get vaccinated, etc., instead of forcing vaccines and masks on the vast majority of the population who have no co-morbidities, and so are at very little risk of being hospitalized or dying from COVID-19?

    My understanding was that the message to those with co-morbidities to take precautions was already out there.

    The message that was more difficult to get across – and apparently still is – is that even those who show no symptoms can still spread the disease so taking precautions is still the responsible thing to do.

    That said, I suppose from an idealist perspective there is no need to do anything since there is no reason to think there is an objective reality – including COVID-19 – actually out there.

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    Viola Lee says:

    At 76, LCD writes, ” Did you know 40% of covid deaths are from nursing homes?”

    That statistic is from June 2020, barely three months into the pandemic, because covid killed older and ill people first. It is not an accurate statistic now.

  81. 81
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Is this true?
    Pfizer Stonks Down After Court Ruling Forces Them to Release Their Data
    Documents:
    https://phmpt.org/

    Viola Lee
    That statistic is from June 2020, barely three months into the pandemic

    😆 You missed the point .Again. When started porn fear and why?

  82. 82
    Seversky says:

    Kairosfocus/58

    Sev, you are in danger of falling victim to a Reichstag Fire agit prop narrative and agenda

    And you appear to have fallen for the Trumpican narrative of “Insurrection? What Insurrection? Nothing to see here. Move along, please! Oh, and by the way, the election was stolen from us!”

    On Jan 6 2021, you manifestly had a riot on the fringes of a protest rally with associated trespass [much of which was peaceful and respectful of the Capitol], not an insurrection, especially, not an armed insurrection. There is also evidence of over-reaction by police leading to fatalities, plural; I have in mind IIRC a Ms Boyland.

    No, we can be grateful it did not escalate into a full-blown firefight but a number of those there were clearly prepared for trouble. There is evidence now of co-ordination through social media and a number of those involved were dressed in full tactical gear. Given the number of serving and ex- military and police who took part, I’m wondering just much we can rely on the loyalty of the military and police. If there are a significant number of Trump sympathizers in their ranks then we could find ourselves in the outright civil war, the prospect of which Mr Calhoun and his ilk are plainly salivating over.

    A good test is, what did you think and say across 2020 while riots and mayhem, arson and murder were stalking the streets, under the colours of Black Lives Matter and Antifa?

    Nobody is condoning riot, looting, arson or murder today. On the other hand, the white communities in Tulsa in 1921 or those involved in the many other similar attacks around the country which black people have endured over the years, apparently had no objections to such offenses at the time. And they are more than sufficient to account for the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement today. Also, I don’t remember BLM or Antifa storming the Capitol to try and overturn Trump’s election.

    What is the declared agenda of the Marxist founders of BLM for example and what was your reaction to it?

    What is the declared agenda of the increasingly militant Christian nationalist groups who are strongly supportive of the Trumpican program? Oh, yes, it’s God’s will that patriots kill 60 million communists.

    Bringing back to focus on the very different Canadian truckers protest movement, what is your response to the imposition of the dominant narrative of vaxxes and repeat boosters vs you antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers, why?

    They are being asked to get vaccinated and wear masks. How is that such an intolerable imposition? It’s not as if they’re being sent en masse to gulags or concentration camps.

    Bringing back to focus on the very different Canadian truckers protest movement, what is your response to the imposition of the dominant narrative of vaxxes and repeat boosters vs you antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers, why?

    I’m curious about this claim. Is there a source you can cite?

    Do you think that those who have concerns about a relatively high incidence of adverse events associated with these vaxxes as compared with others of recent years, including say the Vaxx withdrawn c 1976 due to several dozen adverse reaction incidents? KF

    If you set the bar for the approval of medical treatments at being 100% effective with 0% side-effects you are going to have to throw out just about every drug, every surgical intervention and every other therapy in the medical inventory because none of them can meet that standard. Should we have abandoned the programs that eradicated smallpox or nearly eradicated polio because a small number were unfortunate enough to have adverse reactions to the vaccines? Should we throw out all the antimicrobials we use to treat bacterial and viral infections because a few suffer side-effects? If you have a problem with this, take it up with the Designer who must have designed all these viruses and bacteria which cause so much suffering and death and which we’re doing our best to treat without and help from him/her/it.

  83. 83
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Seversky you asked for 😆
    “6 jan” vs BLM ?

    Media BLM and 6 jan

  84. 84
    News says:

    Scamp, Kairosfocus, and all: About Justin Trudeau, there are reasons for thinking that his own party may wish to be rid of him. Whatever one may think of the trucker uproar, he has behaved as anything but a leader. There are more competent people on the Liberal benches.

    That’s why some of us smiled when we learned that many, not overly familiar with the Canadian scene, fear that the truckers wish to “overthrow the government.”

    If the truckers truly hate the current government, the best strategy is to encourage Trudeau to remain leader as long as possible – especially now that the Conservatives have got rid of the nice-but-useless Erin O’Toole (by an internal vote of no-confidence) and may soon have a serious contender who could make Trudeau look even worse by comparison. Already, interim leader Candice Bergen is doing that (but she can’t, due to Party by-laws, run for leader if she is the interim leader.) Never mind. They have others.

  85. 85
    Scamp says:

    News:
    Scamp, Kairosfocus, and all: About Justin Trudeau, there are reasons for thinking that his own party may wish to be rid of him. Whatever one may think of the trucker uproar, he has behaved as anything but a leader. There are more competent people on the Liberal benches.

    That is an understatement. If he were serious about doing what is best for the liberal party and the people of Canada, he would step aside and let Freeland step in. She would be a great leader, and make short work of the Conservative hopefuls. I say this having voted conservative in the last election.

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    zweston says:

    Scamp, what moral standard do you apply to get your political convictions?

    Are you pro-“choice” and why?

    Are you for big government, and why?

    Are you for socialistic policy and why?

    Just curious how you put it all together and where you ground it?

  87. 87
    Scamp says:

    Zweston:
    Scamp, what moral standard do you apply to get your political convictions?

    Are you pro-“choice” and why?

    Are you for big government, and why?

    Are you for socialistic policy and why?

    Just curious how you put it all together and where you ground it?

    When I comment on these subjects, you can ask. Until then, feel free to do what others do and assign whatever label you want to me so that you can feel justified in discrediting me by association rather than by the arguments I make. 🙂

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, attempted turnabout fails. The polarisation is a typical part of a Reichstag fire game as I recall from June 1976 and then from 1980. I have seen a marxist influenced power seizure attempt on the ground. KF

  89. 89
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, I do not have a dog in the fight in Canada, but it is clear there has been global mismanagement of the pandemic and part of that has led to marginalising those who object to infringement of liberty and livelihood and those who propose alternatives. The false dilemma tactic is a red flag, I repeat Uttar Pradesh is a lesson on the possibilities in alternatives being locked out’ notice just how little readily accessible serious discussion of that is going on, itself a clue. Another is polarisation against, marginalising, deplatforming etc of well qualified people raising cogent concerns and alternatives. And more. KF

  90. 90
    kairosfocus says:

    News, thanks. The imposition of a caretaker lockout on voting for a new opposition leader sounds odd but I guess there is assumption of a deep talent pool. looking on from a distance it seems that a parliamentary leadership crisis looms. KF

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Finally! Trump was caught ! Trump-Russia connection is a reality. 😆

  93. 93
    Seversky says:

    Maybe Trump’s been doing a deal with his buddy Putin. If he’s re-elected he’ll hand over Ukraine in return for permission to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

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    Scamp says:

    Trudeau to invoke the Emergencies Act.
    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6350734
    This act replaced the War Measures Act that his father invoked in response the the FLQ crisis.

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    KRock says:

    This is insane! So Trudeau has decided to go full Hitler on the truckers, who have peacefully (save the horns) protested the federal mandates and all the other nonsensical restrictions imposed on Canadians for the last two years. Canada is living under the rule of a de facto tyrant.

  96. 96
    Scamp says:

    Things just keep getting more interesting.
    https://apple.news/AXQgRgPv-TnCk7aIo35U9UA

    Police executed a search warrant in the early morning hours Monday and searched three trailers. As a result, they seized 13 long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition as well as high-capacity magazines.

    And

    As an example of what police say was the group’s “militant mindset”, RCMP outlined a scenario where a large farm tractor and semi truck involved in the blockade attempted to ram a police vehicle on a previous evening.

  97. 97
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Started with “Just 2 weeks”…now: “just a vaccine mandate.” Truckers can’t do the job for all .
    “it’s just a protest”

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    jerry says:

    This is all a minor side show. One man supposedly controls 10 trillion dollars and Is affecting policy in every large corporation and press organization in the country and a lot of the world.

    His name is Larry Fink and runs BlackRock funds. He is apparently enforcing all the woke policies that we see in the news and corporations.

    BlackRock CEO Larry Fink Is Trying to Change the World Using Other People’s Money

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/02/12/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-is-trying-to-change-the-world-using-other-peoples-money-n1558658

    See my comment on ESG at #13 above.

    How much of this is hyperbole and how much is true?

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    KRock says:

    Claims of the RCMP seizing guns from so-called militants, as well as the attempted ramming of police vehicles, are said to be complete fabrications, as per those in attendance at Coutts. It would not surprise me if this was a set up, or at the very least, an orchestrated effort to demonize the protesters.

    Meanwhile, several counter protesters in Ottawa were photographed carrying signs that called for the open extermination of the unvaccinated; one of the signs said “Gas the Unvaccinated.” We indeed live in some very scary times. It would seem that history may not be too far from repeating itself.

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    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    Meanwhile, several counter protesters in Ottawa were photographed carrying signs that called for the open extermination of the unvaccinated; one of the signs said “Gas the Unvaccinated.”

    Do you have a link? I tried looking online but couldn’t find it but there were a couple signs I liked. “Honk if you can’t get it up” and “Make Ottawa boring again.”

    Although I did get a laugh yesterday when counter protesters blocked intersections preventing truckers joining the downtown trucker protest. A couple of the truckers complained that the counter protesters shouldn’t be allowed to block traffic. I guess they don’t understand irony.

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    KRock says:

    @scamp

    There’s a difference. The truckers are not completely blocking traffic in Ottawa. They may be restricting traffic in some parts of the city, but they’re not outright blocking it. I thought you would have known that, you know, considering you live in Ottawa.

    I haven’t seen the photographs myself; I’ve just been told several protesters had such signs. What I do know, however, is that this call to gas the unvaccinated appears to be a reoccurring theme around the world. Who knew that the left could be this tolerant (sarcasm all mine).

    https://twitter.com/ThorDeplorable/status/1492897425308229632

    https://twitter.com/cjhopkins_z23/status/1425935224265904129?lang=en

    There was also this lunatic, who decided to steal a flag from someone’s 13 year old daughter—this did happen in Ottawa. Just another example of tolerance (warning: expletives in video).

    https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562

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    Seversky says:

    More on IVM and Uttar Pradesh https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-unmistakable-ivermectin-miracle-in-the-indian-state-of-uttar-pradesh

    Here, on mechanism https://twitter.com/RMConservative/status/1429914193956950016

    I would prefer to see something better than unsubstantiated claims in a conservative legal blog.

    There is evidence that ivermectin has antiviral effects in vitro but what is left out of some reporting of that research is that those effects were only achieved at concentrations that were far higher than those that been approved for use in humans and that plasma concentrations at the level needed to achieve the antiviral effects could not be sustained in humans.

  104. 104
    Querius says:

    Most of this can be seen far more clearly in the light of using “Ideologically Determined Interpretations of Reality” (IDIRs). However, an essential component of any IDIR is the complicity of mass media in determining Officially Sanctioned Headlines (OSHs) and Selective Celebrity Outrage (SCO). Dissenters to any current narrative are, by definition, quacks and charlatans (Q&Cs).

    Thus, my protest in which buildings are vandalized, looted, and burned down, where people are injured and killed is a fine example of a “mostly peaceful protest” and the highest form of patriotism that should be mindfully tolerated.

    However, your peaceful protest is a seditious grab for Fascist power threatening the very Foundations of Democracy and needs to be forcefully eradicated and punished to the fullest imaginable extrapolations of the Law (as we make it up)!

    All others are simply rare and complex cases–bumps in the road that can be safely ignored.

    Hope you enjoy your world of political fantasy and be sure to elect the smoothest liars that money can buy! That is, until it all comes crashing down, in which case you can blame bad luck or its not being TRUE socialism.

    -Q

  105. 105
    Scamp says:

    Government freezes givesendgo crowd-surfed funds for trucker protest.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/ontario-court-freezes-millions-in-freedom-convoys-givesendgo-fund.amp

  106. 106
    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, here we go on the fallaciously “settled” often lab coat clad question-begging “consensus” vs the marginalised, yet again. It is some time since Dr Robert Mallone — y’know a key inventor of the mRNA technology, vaccine specialist and stuff — took time to sit down for a 3+ hour interview with Mr Rogan (to break through the lockouts)., and we featured it here at UD as just linked, where from months back, Dr John Campbell had broken the story, also featured here. But, it is so easy to marginalise using no true scientist tactics, something we ID supporters and theorists have become all too used to. The facts are there though, the numbers for UP have stayed low from the time they broke the wave and the pictures sent to Dr Mallone and put up otherwise clearly document the IVM based, modified Zelenko protocol kits. I suspect now that Dr Campbell may be a bit off on costs of the obviously more upscale kits that have electronics but the pattern is clear. Yes, the falsely maligned IVM has clearly been documented as a credible relevant antiviral for over 1 1/2 years AT REASONABLE DOSAGES IN LIVING PEOPLE (so notice the Indian dosage levels as pictured, implicitly 12 mg x 2 times per day for 5 days) and officialdom, their lab coat spokesmen and media mouthpieces have set out to marginalise it. Where, as the August comment and embedded podcast document, we are dealing with strong readily observed effects in a population that is quite large. Truth is, that marginalisation has been happening with a growing list of drugs and supplements, including even quercetin. Do you see why I am saying that after this, we are going to need a huge truth and reconciliation commission initiative, if reasonable confidence is going to be restored? KF

    PS: Here, from comment 3 also headlined in the updated OP is Mallone on IVM etc and UP, recall, this is coming on six months after August 2021:

    Joe Rogan 37:52 So were they [= China, v. early in the pandemic, in its protocols] using Ivermectin as well? No. But other countries have, like Japan and India.
    Dr. Robert Malone 38:00 Uttar Pradesh, as you know, has crushed COVID.
    Joe Rogan 38:05 Can you explain what they did to do that? Because it’s kind of fascinating.
    Dr. Robert Malone 38:08 It’s not clear. What are the drugs. So what they did do what we do know. And there’s some backstory to this that we could go into if you want to. But the observation is there was a decision made. The virus was just ripping through Uttar Pradesh. It has almost the same population as the United States. It’s huge. Okay. Dense, urban, poor, all the characteristics of the stereotypes of the Indian countryside. And the virus is just ripping through there and causing all kinds of death and disease. And the decision was made out of desperation in that province to deploy early treatments as packages widely throughout the province, and it included a number of agents. The composition has not been formally disclosed. It was done in coordination with WHO and whatever was in those packages was rumored to include Ivermectin. But there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi, and a decision was made in the Indian government not to disclose the contents of those packages that were being deployed in Uttar Pradesh, which they’re still there. And Uttar Pradesh is flatlined right now. The rest of the world is yelling about Omicron and hospitalizations. Well, South Africa isn’t, but UDA Pradesh is still flatlined in terms of deaths.
    Joe Rogan 39:41 So they were visited by someone in the Biden administration, is that what you’re saying?
    Dr. Robert Malone 39:44 I just know there’s a meeting between Joe Biden and Modi.
    Joe Rogan 39:48 And you believe that out of that meeting?
    Dr. Robert Malone 39:51 I don’t know what they said. I wasn’t invited. All I know is that immediately afterwards there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed in Uttar Pradesh.
    Joe Rogan 40:01 It’s so crazy to imagine that in the middle of a pandemic, there’s one place, one area of India that’s extremely successful in combating the virus, and they’re not going to say how they did it. That’s nuts.

    Dr. Robert Malone 40:16 That’s where my stance in all of this is to say, here are the facts. Here are the verifiable data draw your own conclusion.

    Notice, the marginalisation by officialdom. There is a name for that, suppression of potentially life-saving reasonably credibly true information, to promote an official narrative. Where, no, with a growing range of treatments out there, we are not locked up to the false dilemma, vaxxes and boosters forever vs you antisocial lawless antivaxxers daring to resort to civil disobedience when lesser protests and alternative voices were ignored or marginalised.

  107. 107
    kairosfocus says:

    PPS: on the 0.2 mg/kg in vivo dosage I have seen suggested, 12 mg implies a live weight of 60 kg, a reasonable adult size for India I think. Of course such a crude estimate is not a prescription, go see your trusted medical practitioner and avoid self dosing.

  108. 108
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, you have a sobering point. KF

  109. 109
    Querius says:

    Thanks, Kairosfocus.

    In the meantime, I’ve mixed up some more 1% PVP-I (Providone Iodine) for use as a gargle and nasal wash when I think I might have been exposed, if should I catch Covid-19, or for whatever the next world-wide virus emergency might be called. As I mentioned before . . .

    Swishing with a 0.5% PVP-I solution is what dentists typically require before any dental work. This kills all bacteria (even beneficial ones) and viruses after 30 seconds. Covid-19 infects mucus membranes in your upper respiratory passages where they can be treated every 2-4 hours. I make it for about a penny an ounce when purchasing in bulk (i.e. one part in 10 of 10% medical PVP-I).
    Please read the literature on this treatment and caveats.

    Here’s the German study on mouth rinses:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7454736/

    Here’s the one one done in Japan and published in the Japan Dental Science Review, Nov. 2021:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7959263/

    -Q

  110. 110
    Scamp says:

    From the PM’s office:

    “We are today serving notice if your truck is being used in these illegal blockades, your corporate accounts will be frozen. The insurance on your vehicle will be suspended,”

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2?amp

  111. 111
    jerry says:

    Will Trudeau now publish his little red book?

    He certainly has his adherents as we see here and in the news.

  112. 112
    asauber says:

    I think Adolf stole assets too.

    Andrew

  113. 113
    jerry says:

    Missed this news story.

    U.S. Border Overwhelmed With Refugees Trying To Escape Canada

    WINDSOR—ICE agents are overwhelmed as thousands of desperate refugees from Canada have flooded the U.S. northern border to claim asylum. The crowd, now numbering in the tens of thousands, is attempting to escape fierce political oppression by Fidel Castro’s tyrant son in Ottawa.

    “Hey, come on there buddy, just let us in, eh?” said asylum-seeker Tim Pokadoke. “So sorry to bug ya but Trudeau’s killin’ us up here, ya know?”

    Intelligence experts confirmed that Canadians are facing unprecedented political and religious persecution. They also confirmed early intelligence reports that indicated Trudeau is a “sad, scared little girly man who has to oppress working people to feel like a big boy.”

    Canadians at the border are hoping their requests for asylum will be granted so they may breathe the sweet, pure air of American freedom.

    UPDATE: U.S. officials informed the Canadian refugees that the border was closed and that they would have to sail down to the southern border and cross there like everyone else.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/us-border-overwhelmed-by-refugees-trying-to-escape-canada

  114. 114
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    Will Trudeau now publish his little red book?

    He certainly has his adherents as we see here and in the news.

    I haven’t seen any Trudeau fans commenting here. Or are you suffering from the same delusion that KRock is suffering from? i.e., that it is not possible to disagree with the approaches taken by both the truckers and Trudeau.

  115. 115
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, here is a little bit of classical protest that should give pause:

    Rev 16 Also it [the beast from the land] causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast [from the sea] or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666 [–> codes for the tyrant, Nero Caesar].

    We are seeing gross over-reaction to protest and petition for redress of grievance, here underscoring manifest disregard for life, liberty and livelihood. All, duly dressed up under colour of law.

    It is high time to stop and rethink.

    KF

  116. 116
    jerry says:

    that it is not possible to disagree with the approaches taken by both the truckers and Trudeau

    Has any other approach worked? No.

    Have the truckers pointed out the stupidity of Canadian regulations? Yes.

    Let’s here it for the truckers!!!

    I realize the real problem is not with Trudeau but with the people that voted him in. The voting population of the world are generally ignorant. The US and Europe are great examples of this and now Canada.

    Will the US buy into the Biden nonsense. Let’s see what he says in his State of the Union speech. The Democrats are terrified over the coming election. Will they claim victory? Accuse Republicans of obstruction? Will Putin back down? Will then Biden claim victory over an arch enemy?

    As someone once said, it easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.

    Hans Rosling has shown the more educated you are, the more ignorant you are.

  117. 117
    Querius says:

    The Canadian truckers accomplished their purposes:

    1. To make known their grievances against coerced medical experimentation. I’m sure truckers are worried as they sit alone in the cabs of their trucks hours on end about potentially infecting their steering wheels and radios with Covid-19.

    2. To expose the Canadian government as a Fascist police state.

    3. To set an example of a completely peaceful protest for the rest of the world without moving into the domain of violence, which is the sole right and primary recourse of the well-prepared state.

    So, this is what happens when the workers of the world rise up. The powerful and evil economic and political interests in maintaining a de factoslave class gets exposed despite the best efforts of the complicit media anesthesia.

    Here In the U.S., we also have a shipping crisis due to dramatically underpaid truckers and nurses. Nurses in particular are leaving the profession in droves for better paying jobs such as realtors.

    In response, the U.S. medical establishment is looking to import thousands of nurses from the Philippines as replacements to work at even lower pay. Fortunately, the Philippine government is wise to this.

    Inflation (the PPI is now rising to 9.7%) is currently necessary to deceive the masses into believing that they’re getting wage increases as their buying power decreases even faster. I don’t think anyone is fooled despite this: https://twitter.com/i/status/1492990482649133061

    But be sure to keep voting for these serial liars in power. Keep buying their low-quality and unneeded products, and enjoy the hellish environment of densely populated urban areas that result.

    -Q

  118. 118
    KRock says:

    @Scamp

    My only issue concerns the false claims you’ve made, such as, the truckers are protesting illegally in Ottawa. It’s simply not true. The truckers have a right to be there and they have a right to protest peacefully, which is exactly what they have been doing. To be perfectly honest, I think the truckers missed a big opportunity last week by not taking the high road; they probably should have left when Trudeau decided to double down on his slandering. By doing so, I believe this would have damaged Trudeau’s reputation even further (not that he needs any help), while also garnering more public support for the truckers, although this seems to be happening regardless.

  119. 119
    Scamp says:

    The Ottawa chief of police has handed in his resignation.

  120. 120
    Fasteddious says:

    News: this is getting rather long and often off topic. Might it be best to start a new thread with links back to this one? Just a suggestion.
    One major, unexpected outcome of the convoy: the Canadian flag, and by extension Canada, is getting a lot of world-wide publicity. And Trudeau must again have become the laughingstock of world leaders, either for his childish responses to the convoy, or for his seeming inability to deal with it as a head of government.

  121. 121
    Querius says:

    Here’s a direct interview with Peter Sloly. Unlike the “mainstream” U.S. news organizations, the interviewer asks incisive and relevant questions! Mr. Sloly’s answers are glaringly artificial in my experience and are somewhat belied by the occasional tremor in his voice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4_dhrh_Ids

    Anyone agree or disagree?

    P.S. Here’s Pelosi on record inflation: https://twitter.com/i/status/1492990482649133061

    P.P.S. Here’s a Freedom Convoy in Israel: https://twitter.com/i/status/1493225053236109315

    -Q

  122. 122
    KRock says:

    I agree with Fasteddious! It might be time to move on from this particular topic/thread.

  123. 123
    KRock says:

    @Querius (#121)

    It would appear that Chief Sloly was somewhat of a bully.

    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6352295

  124. 124
    Scamp says:

    Sloly has had issues from the day he started in the position. His inability (unwillingness) to do anything about the illegal protesters was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

  125. 125
    Querius says:

    Scamp,

    . . . inability to do anything about the illegal protesters . . .

    Such as doing what and to whom?

    Did you watch the interview with Peter Sloly?
    (https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6352295)

    Just wondering . . . if you held his position, what would you have done in his place?

    -Q

  126. 126
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Such as doing what and to whom?

    Not having a plan for dealing with the protest. It’s not like he didn’t have enough warning that it was coming. And I’m not talking about smashing heads or teargas. But when a protester is breaking the law, you write a ticket, move them along, tow a vehicle.

    Did you watch the interview…

    Yes. It impressed me as someone interviewing for a job. But, to give him credit, he is very articulate.

    Just wondering . . . if you held his position, what would you have done in his place?

    I don’t know. It is outside my bailiwick. But when you are the police chief, and the general public are more effective at impacting illegal protests than you are, you are the wrong guy for the job.

  127. 127
    asauber says:

    These progressive leaders get power-drunk. We need real leaders who are not so full of themselves.

    These are basics, but that’s where we are. To them, it’s implement and enforce policy no matter how stupid the outcome.

    Andrew

  128. 128
    bornagain77 says:

    I find it extremely ironic that atheistic secularists, (who mock, and bristle at, the notion of a ‘cosmic authority figure’, i.e. God, who may hold them morally accountable for their actions in this life),

    “I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.”
    (”The Last Word” by Thomas Nagel, Oxford University Press: 1997)
    – Thomas Nagel (born July 4, 1937), is University Professor of Philosophy and Law, Emeritus, at New York University,[3] where he taught from 1980 to 2016

    I find it extremely ironic that atheistic secularists, (who mock, and bristle at, the notion of a ‘cosmic authority figure’, i.e. God, who may hold them morally accountable for their actions in this life), are the ones who are most adamant that we all should just passively submit to, and never question, whatever ‘commands’ our fallible human authority figures may decree for us.

    – Atheism’s Tendency Towards Totalitarianism Rather Than Freedom
    What is so strange and odd that in spite of their outward rejection of religion and all its superstitions, they feel compelled to set up cults of personality and worship of the State and its leaders that is so totalitarian that the leaders are not satisfied with mere outward obedience; rather they insist on total mind control and control of thoughts, ideas and beliefs. They institute Gulags and “re-education” centers to indoctrinate anyone who even would dare question any action or declaration of the “Dear Leader.” Even the Spanish Inquisition cannot compare to the ruthlessness and methodical efficiency of these programs conducted on so massive a scale. While proclaiming freedom to the masses, they institute the most methodical efforts to completely eliminate freedom from the people, and they do so all “on behalf” of the proletariat. A completely ordered and totally unfree totalitarian State is routinely set up in place of religion, because it is obviously so profoundly better society. It is also strange that Stalin was a seminarian who rejected Christianity and went on to set up himself as an object of worship. It seems that impulse to religious devotion is present in all, whether that be in traditional forms or secular inventions.
    https://www.scholarscorner.com/atheisms-body-count-ideology-and-human-suffering/

    Well, to paraphrase Nagel, I certainly don’t want the world to be like atheists want it to be!

    I want leaders who fear God instead of thinking that they are gods unto themselves,

    2 Samuel 23:3
    The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spoke to me, He that rules over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

  129. 129
    Scamp says:

    BA77:
    February 15, 2022 at 3:03 pm
    I find it extremely ironic that atheistic secularists, (who mock, and bristle at, the notion of a ‘cosmic authority figure’, i.e. God, who may hold them morally accountable for their actions in this life),

    I’m having a hard time figuring out what this nonsense has to do with the trucker convoy.

  130. 130
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Bornagain77
    I find it extremely ironic that atheistic secularists, (who mock, and bristle at, the notion of a ‘cosmic authority figure’, i.e. God, who may hold them morally accountable for their actions in this life),are the ones who are most adamant that we all should just passively submit to, and never question, whatever ‘commands’ our fallible human authority figures may decree for us.

    🙂 You have to understand them , atheists bow to authority of the day because in case of persecution they have no place of relief( because they threw God).

  131. 131
    Silver Asiatic says:

    BA77

    I find it extremely ironic that atheistic secularists, (who mock, and bristle at, the notion of a ‘cosmic authority figure’, i.e. God, who may hold them morally accountable for their actions in this life

    It proves that they believe in a hierarchical order – contradicting evolution and materialism. They give the state a godlike authority. When the state acts unjustly, however, people will answer to “a higher power” and resist. That’s why atheistic communism works to remove religion, so that people will not have the strength or vision to fight back.

  132. 132
    Querius says:

    Scamp @126,

    Not having a plan for dealing with the protest.

    What sort of plan? Do you mean the public protest in front of the Parliament building in Ottawa, which I think is considered a legal right in Canada versus blocking a highway or bridge, which is not, right? The Conservatives in your Parliament kept hammering about a lack of leadership. Is this what you meant by Peter Sloly not having a plan?

    But when a protester is breaking the law, you write a ticket, move them along, tow a vehicle.

    Yes, I agree. But didn’t the police sometimes do this or did they instead refuse to ticket or arrest people?

    I believe that when the police asked a trucker in Ottawa to move a vehicle to open an emergency lane, that they politely complied. I even heard that the police negotiated some compromises with the truckers and other protesters but these agreements were canceled by your politicians.

    I watched live-stream videos as the Ottawa protesters shoveled snow, cleaned up garbage, gave away hot food even to the homeless population, and generally worked with your police. After watching protests in the U.S., I was truly amazed at the difference in civility in Canada!

    I also watched debates in your Parliament where your politicians excoriated each other, but I never saw any attempt by your city officials, MPs, or PM sit down with the truckers to listen to their grievances, try to understand why the truckers were driven to such extreme action, and maybe work out a compromise with them.

    It is outside my bailiwick. But when you are the police chief, and the general public are more effective at impacting illegal protests than you are, you are the wrong guy for the job.

    Sorry, I’m not sure I understand what you mean. What did the general public do that the police should have done?

    From what I saw and heard, it didn’t seem that Peter Sloly did such a poor job. Are you sure that Peter Sloly didn’t “resign” under pressure?

    The interviewer did a great job at asking questions in my opinion, but Peter Sloly’s answers at the beginning of the interview seemed to indicate that he had some irresistible opportunity available, but at the end, he talked about polishing up his LinkedIn profile hoping for some offers. Did you get the same impression?

    Having spent many years in industry, I’ve read many resignation emails and listened to the beautiful word salads that the outgoing executives prepared. Peter Sloly’s answers sounded a lot like them. Did you think he was being completely truthful?

    I’m not at all familiar with Canadian politics, Charter rights (a new term for me), and police interactions. Again, I’m only familiar what I’ve seen and read about regarding some police actions in the U.S. some of which are truly egotistical, confrontational, and sometimes brutal.

    Even a few blocks down the street where I live, a police officer pulled his gun on a disrespectful homeowner on his own property who was filming the officer. No one else was around. The video seemed like the angry officer was looking for an excuse to shoot him. This was all captured on his video, yet there were no significant consequences to this dangerous police officer. Does this ever happen in Canada?

    If you’re at all interested in some of the egregious behavior and ignorance of the law by some police in the U.S., you might want to look at some videos, which go into detail about the case law and Constitutional rights that are often ignored by the police.

    Here’s a charming example of a more firm response by U.S. police that perhaps could serve as an example of a more empowered type of policing . . .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViB_PoykWAw

    Certainly, Canadian police could have been more readily willing to use force immediately when someone doesn’t immediately obey them. What do you think?

    -Q

  133. 133
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    What sort of plan? Do you mean the public protest in front of the Parliament building in Ottawa, which I think is considered a legal right in Canada versus blocking a highway or bridge, which is not, right?

    Nobody is suggesting that they can’t protest in front of parliament. But blocking roads with their trucks, lighting fires, disobeying court orders, etc. is illegal. Sloly should have had a plan for the eventuality (inevitability) should they decide to encamp in the city core, which is illegal.

    Conservatives in your Parliament kept hammering about a lack of leadership. Is this what you meant by Peter Sloly not having a plan?

    No. The feds have no authority over city police. The conservatives are just using polarizing rhetoric, just as the liberals would if their roles were reversed.

    Yes, I agree. But didn’t the police sometimes do this or did they instead refuse to ticket or arrest people?

    Every truck parked on the streets is breaking the law. Every tucker honking his horn is breaking the law. Every protester setting a fire, or barbecuing is breaking the law. Every protester drinking in the streets is breaking the law. There have been very few tickets written over any of this.

    I even heard that the police negotiated some compromises with the truckers and other protesters but these agreements were canceled by your politicians.

    I hadn’t heard anything about this but I did hear that the mayor negotiated with some truckers to relocate from residential streets.

    I watched live-stream videos as the Ottawa protesters shoveled snow, cleaned up garbage, gave away hot food even to the homeless population, and generally worked with your police. After watching protests in the U.S., I was truly amazed at the difference in civility in Canada

    Then you missed the earlier reports of protesters strewing garbage and harassing volunteers at a homeless shelter, demanding that they be fed. The videos you saw were damage control.

    Are you sure that Peter Sloly didn’t “resign” under pressure?

    No, I’m pretty sure he was forced to resign. The police services board had scheduled a public meeting and then suddenly changed the first part to an in camera session, after which Sloly’s resignation was announced.

    With regard to his interview, you do realize that it had nothing to do with his resignation from the Ottawa police, don’t you?

    Certainly, Canadian police could have been more readily willing to use force immediately when someone doesn’t immediately obey them. What do you think?

    Controlling a situation doesn’t mean force. Strategic placement of barriers, intervening when necessary, recording their interactions, ticketing, discussions, etc.

    My daughter-in-law is a home-care nurse. She has a few patients living in the affected area that takes her much longer to support because she can’t park near their apartments. This means that she can’t see all of the patients she is scheduled to see every day. This puts patients at serious risk. She has not received any assistance from the protesters to ensure that she is not delayed. Maybe we will see this help on the next damage control video.

  134. 134
    Querius says:

    Scamp @133,

    Nobody is suggesting that they can’t protest in front of parliament.

    Ok, that seems reasonable to me.

    Since it’s mainly the truckers that feel they are not being listened to, I can see why they would bring their big rigs in front of the Parliament building. Sadly, the Canadian government is obviously not interested in hearing their grievances about the mandates. The truckers there seemed to be unified across political divides.

    From what I saw of Parliament, it seems like there’s been a lot of questions by the opposition that were not answered by the other side. They simply accused the opposition for abetting the truckers as if that were some horrific thing. Again, what’s so bad about MPs listening to the truckers and then addressing their complaints with a reasonable, and mutually acceptable solution?

    But blocking roads with their trucks, lighting fires, disobeying court orders, etc. is illegal. Sloly should have had a plan for the eventuality (inevitability) should they decide to encamp in the city core, which is illegal.

    Yes, I also saw live streams of the trucks blocking the border crossing points, but the only fires I saw were protesting truckers trying to keep warm or were being used for cooking.

    There weren’t any buildings set on fire, bricks and bottles being thrown at police, windows smashed, or shops being looted as typically has been happening in the U.S.

    It doesn’t seem unreasonable that the truckers should be allowed to sleep in their trucks. So, do the police arrest homeless people in Ottawa for illegal camping?

    No. The feds have no authority over city police.

    Do the Feds in Canada talk to your mayor or province governors? The RCMP showed up in some situations.

    The conservatives are just using polarizing rhetoric, just as the liberals would if their roles were reversed.

    Yes, I watched a bunch of interesting exchanges in Parliament and it seemed to me that your conservatives were lately asking embarrassing questions about the National Emergency Powers Act and your liberals were not answering them but instead gave general statements of how they were doing everything for the good of the people and how the conservatives were divisive.

    From an outside observer, it seems that the Canadian Parliament is essentially gridlocked and incapable of resolving even a complaint by Canadian truckers. I won’t say that the U.S. Congress is any different.

    My general opinion is that people elect representatives to work things out. If they cannot or will not find common ground, then the people they supposedly represent should be able to throw them out of office and find some better representatives who will.

    Every truck parked on the streets is breaking the law. Every tucker honking his horn is breaking the law. Every protester setting a fire, or barbecuing is breaking the law. Every protester drinking in the streets is breaking the law. There have been very few tickets written over any of this.

    Yikes, that seems pretty harsh to me. But it would effectively end all protests of any kind in Canada, or at least make them innocuous and ignorable.

    Then you missed the earlier reports of protesters strewing garbage and harassing volunteers at a homeless shelter, demanding that they be fed.

    Quite true. I ignored the press reports after I they said that the truckers were Nazis and white supremacists, and I scanned through a bunch of YouTube live streams every day.

    The live streams were mostly boring. A lot of people were very nice to each other, I saw clean streets cleared of snow and any trash, tents or stands set up to provide food for everyone, and people giving talks and performing music. The parties at night did look like a lot of fun and a lot of young people who didn’t look like truckers seemed to enjoy themselves a lot. The honking stopped when ordered*, although some people were banging red containers together and singing O Canada.
    * The honking seems to have resumed tonight.

    The videos you saw were damage control.

    No, I really don’t think so. That’s why I scanned through (forwarding to more interesting parts) the live streams. As I said, the press reports that I read didn’t bear much resemblance to what I watched happening on the streets. Canadians seem so polite and friendly to each other!

    No, I’m pretty sure he was forced to resign. The police services board had scheduled a public meeting and then suddenly changed the first part to an in camera session, after which Sloly’s resignation was announced.

    I see. Then why do you think Peter Sloly didn’t say this in the interview?

    Controlling a situation doesn’t mean force. Strategic placement of barriers, intervening when necessary, recording their interactions, ticketing, discussions, etc.

    Well, I did see police barriers and police vehicles blocking intersections and I saw a very few instances where the police did intervene. There were dozens of people recording all the interactions. Don’t Canadian police wear body cams? I did see a few ticketing occurrences and I was happy to see some police talking peaceably with the truckers. I did see one counter-protester act violently toward a man with a camera but the police were called and based on the complaints and witnesses, arrested the man.

    By the way, what did you think of the U.S. police video? Charming wasn’t it? Do you have any Canadian police acting this way?

    My daughter-in-law is a home-care nurse. She has a few patients living in the affected area that takes her much longer to support because she can’t park near their apartments.

    I’m sorry to hear that and I can definitely appreciate that this is not merely inconvenient, but dangerous. What did she do?

    -Q

  135. 135
    Bob O'H says:

    From what I saw of Parliament, it seems like there’s been a lot of questions by the opposition that were not answered by the other side.

    How does that differ from any Parliamentary session in any country? 🙂

  136. 136
  137. 137
    kairosfocus says:

    BO’H, was that not answered at all or evasively answered? Neither of which is justifiable during question time. KF

  138. 138
    News says:

    The politicians and bureaucrats in Canada – as in many other countries – know very well that they are staring at the jaws of the biggest public health disaster in modern history, largely inflicted by themselves.

    The only thing that distinguishes the Canadian lot was that the truckers and their hundreds of thousands of supporters here started to call them out on it.

    If you don’t want to spend the rest of your life in a useless mask, forbidden normal activities, and censored if you talk about side-effects of vaccines, etc., do something in your own environment.

    If you want to rescue kids, teens, mentally vulnerable people, people prone to substance abuse, people losing their jobs or businesses or suffering domestic abuse from the stupid lockdowns, do something.

    Start the discussion where you live.

    Force the pols and the ‘crats to confront their own failures. Demand enquiries and commissions. And don’t settle for lies and BS.

    If you cower, don’t be surprised if we are back here again – maybe it’ll be the upsilon variant or some brand new virus escaped from a lab – but there was no thorough inquiry into how the U.S. came to be funding gain-of-function research in China.

    That should be much more important to you than whether Canadian truckers are obeying by-laws in Ottawa.

    Hey, you can still choose between fear porn and public enquiries.

  139. 139
    jerry says:

    It happened before in Poland

    Why They’re So Afraid of the Truckers

    When real labor awakens to the true parasitic nature of the Left, the whole system comes crashing down

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/02/14/why-theyre-so-afraid-of-the-truckers-history/

  140. 140
    jerry says:

    Criticism from Chaiman XI

    BEIJING—Chinese President Xi Jinping has reportedly looked on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s handling of Canadian protesters with surprise, describing it as “monstrous” and “heavy-handed.”

    “I’m shocked by Trudeau’s horrific mistreatment of his own people,” said President Xi Jinping while helping himself to a jar of honey. “He’s being very heavy-handed with these protesters. It’s shameful!”

    Xi, who polices his own people for thought crimes, suggested that Trudeau try a more subtle approach. “I’m constantly throwing people in prison,” he said. “But I do so discreetly while silencing anyone who speaks of it.”

    “Please understand,” he continued. “I believe he should throw them all in camps to make shoes for the Americans. But he’s openly criticizing them—giving their cause a voice.”

    “It’s a rookie move.”

    Trudeau, who has referred to people sitting in their trucks as violent protesters sieging the city, has claimed that he only desires to crush his citizens under the jackboot of tyranny, revel in their cries of anguish, and scatter their wasted corpses to the wind.

    “I don’t see what’s so heavy-handed about that,” said Trudeau

    From the new American newspaper of record.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/xi-jinping-criticizes-trudeaus-heavy-handed-approach

  141. 141
    kairosfocus says:

    Folks, we are looking at in effect an entrenched ideology regarding the pandemic, which is being challenged from the margins and by working class people. The credentialled, chattering class elites by and large disdain hoi polloi and likely perceive only failure of information and education efforts in the face of misinformation and conspiracism. The truckers and their pet quacks have nothing of significance to say, Big-S Science has spoken. But in fact, a second look at the issue will readily see that the pandemic has been a grand policy failure, with cases like Uttar Pradesh pointing to the significance of what has been marginalised and the costs that have been imposed through flawed policy. With issues over heart and circulatory system damage lurking in the shadows, we may see other as yet latent costs surfacing. A significant number of people do not trust the hurried vaxxes, which have nowhere near the performance of vaccines we are used to, Israel is on jab no 4 as we speak. Then there is the matter of questionable masks. Vaccine passes as surveillance and control measures are another concern. But it is beginning to look like much of officialdom and their media publicists and promoters are doubling down. That does not bode well. KF

  142. 142
    kairosfocus says:

    News, little here in MNI as the Christmas wave fades with coming on 100 cases and a death that seems to be covid plus complications. We recently came off curfew in evenings to dawn. Many wear masks, not a few ignore. KF

  143. 143
    kairosfocus says:

    Jerry, when it is sometimes hard to tell satire from news things are bad. KF

  144. 144
    News says:

    Kairosfocus, what, exactly, is the purpose of curfews against a virus?

  145. 145
    Silver Asiatic says:

    I just happened to read this about the social upheaval in Mexico in early 20th century:

    The Mexican government instituted a law making religion illegal. The state took possession of all church and religious buildings and property and forced strict limits on how many could attend churches. In response …
    “Anacleto Gonzalez Flores led a statewide boycott which brought economic and social life to a halt in a matter of weeks. The popular strike against the state was launched on many fronts. People were asked to buy only bare essentials avoiding luxuries like candy, lottery tickets and cinema tickets. They also kept their children out of public schools. Some packed the galleries of legislature. Others joined massive demonstrations in the streets despite warnings from police.
    Hundreds of demonstrators happily filled jails in Guadalajara, some witnesses said their prayers and singing transformed those filthy dungeons into oratories of faith and joy.
    After eight months of non-violent protest, the government caved in and abolished the new law.

  146. 146
    jerry says:

    when it is sometimes hard to tell satire from news things are bad

    Their motto is

    Fake News You Can Trust

    They have been the top parody site in the world for a couple years now. More than once their stories have become true.

    Get your own BabylonBee mug

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    what, exactly, is the purpose of curfews against a virus?

    I have been on a cruise in the Caribbean and some of the ports have had stringent regulations though many are not enforcing their edicts.

    The worst was St Thomas in the Virgin Islands.

  147. 147
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    From what I saw of Parliament, it seems like there’s been a lot of questions by the opposition that were not answered by the other side. They simply accused the opposition for abetting the truckers as if that were some horrific thing. Again, what’s so bad about MPs listening to the truckers and then addressing their complaints with a reasonable, and mutually acceptable solution?

    That is just Canadian politics. The role of the opposition is to oppose. Sniping back and forth, although I don’t like it, is a behaviour that has been used for years. When the demand was an immediate lifting of all restrictions during the biggest wave of the pandemic, there isn’t much point in discussion. Even the conservatives are not united in opposition to reasonable restructions. In my mind, their demand should have been for the government to provide a detailed plan for lifting restrictions and the trigger points that would move it along.

    It doesn’t seem unreasonable that the truckers should be allowed to sleep in their trucks. So, do the police arrest homeless people in Ottawa for illegal camping?

    They break up homeless camps. It has been done recently in Ottawa and Toronto and, I suspect, in other cities.

    Do the Feds in Canada talk to your mayor or province governors? The RCMP showed up in some situations.

    In Canada, levels of government are not allowed to direct the police. All they can to is provide them the necessary tools to enforce the law.

    In Ottawa there is a strange mix of policing. On city property it is the Ottawa police, on the provincial highways it is the OPP and on NCC land it is the RCMP. The OPP and RCMP police that have been policing on city streets have been sworn in as city police.

    Yes, I watched a bunch of interesting exchanges in Parliament and it seemed to me that your conservatives were lately asking embarrassing questions about the National Emergency Powers Act and your liberals were not answering them but instead gave general statements of how they were doing everything for the good of the people and how the conservatives were divisive.
    Welcome to 21st century politics. This isn’t unique to the pandemic.

    Yikes, that seems pretty harsh to me. But it would effectively end all protests of any kind in Canada, or at least make them innocuous and ignorable.

    How so? Are you suggesting that you can’t protest without illegal parking, setting bonfires, drinking, etc.? It is done all the time. You can even get a permit for your protest, something the truckers never bothered to do.

    No, I really don’t think so.[damage control]

    We will have to agree to disagree. But I do agree that the majority of protesters are peaceful and polite.

    I see. Then why do you think Peter Sloly didn’t say this in the interview?

    Because, to the best of my knowledge, he has not given an interview about his resignation.

    By the way, what did you think of the U.S. police video? Charming wasn’t it? Do you have any Canadian police acting this way?

    We have had instances where police have behaved improperly (G20 meetings comes to mind) but, by and large, they tend to be fare more reserved than the US police. I suspect the difference in gun control laws might be part of the reason.

  148. 148
    Scamp says:

    I have been on a cruise in the Caribbean and some of the ports have had stringent regulations though many are not enforcing their edicts.
    Canadians returning to Canada require a PCR no earlier than 72 hours before their return flight. A co-worker went to Cuba for vacation. They had their PCR test when they arrived at the Cuban resort and were asked what date they wanted on the report.

    There have also been instances where the tourists were intentionally given a positive test to get more money out of them.

  149. 149
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @136,

    Back in 1976 https://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/30/swine.flu.1976/index.html

    Thanks for the link to the swine flu vaccine debacle. I suppose it should be gratifying to hear that the former CDC head was sorry for all the deaths. Sadly, that’s not the case now.

    Good points all! I knew about Poland, but I didn’t know about Mexico. The curfews are meant to show “firm leadership,” through the use of arbitrary power to enforce pointless rules. This, of course distinguishes Advanced Bureaucratic Civilizations from the more pragmatic, boring ones. LOL

    -Q

  150. 150
    Scamp says:

    Quebec had the highest level of restrictions, including a curfew, and the premier has the highest approval rating of any premier in Canada.

  151. 151
    News says:

    Quebec is NOT an example for Canada:

    Why nursing homes in Quebec crumbled under COVID-19?s first wave
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/podcasts/the-decibel/article-why-nursing-homes-in-quebec-crumbled-under-covid-19s-first-wave/

    Larger Ontario had significantly fewer deaths because Ontario nursing homes are not so badly run.

    Quebec also does not, generally, represent Canada. It has been described unofficially as the “only fascist state north of the Rio Grande.”

    That said, it was heartening to see so many fleurs-de-lis de la belle province in the Convoy in Ottawa. Not everyone in or from Quebec is like that.

  152. 152
    News says:

    Quebec is NOT an example for Canada:

    Why nursing homes in Quebec crumbled under COVID-19?s first wave
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/podcasts/the-decibel/article-why-nursing-homes-in-quebec-crumbled-under-covid-19s-first-wave/

    Larger Ontario had significantly fewer deaths because Ontario nursing homes are not so badly run.

    Quebec also does not, generally, represent Canada. It has been described unofficially as the “only fascist state north of the Rio Grande.”

    That said, it was heartening to see so many fleurs-de-lis de la belle province in the Convoy in Ottawa. Not everyone in or from Quebec is like that.

  153. 153
    jerry says:

    The Freedom Convoy just announced they have discovered the name of the hacker who hit GiveSendGo and they are going to make him famous

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1493967267784241155

    May not be necessary since someone said the person who did it is bragging about it.

    The unfortunate thing about the digital world it’s so easy to control and frighten people. Most people are generally sheep and are reluctant to rock the boat so intimidating them is not a problem.

  154. 154
    Querius says:

    Scamp @147,

    That is just Canadian politics. The role of the opposition is to oppose. Sniping back and forth, although I don’t like it, is a behaviour that has been used for years.

    No, that doesn’t help at all. And a few minutes ago, my wife showed me this quote from today’s Wall Street Journal (page A18, February 16, 2022):

    “There have been those who have tried to characterize these illegal blockades [as being] about vaccines and mandates and fatigue with the pandemic. That is not what is driving this movement right now,” Marco Mendicino, Canada’s public safety minister, said at a news conference Tuesday. “What is driving this movement is a very small, organized group that is driven by an ideology to overthrow the government through whatever means they may wish to use,” he said.

    Would you agree with your minister that the truckers are trying to overthrow the Canadian government?

    . . . In my mind, their demand should have been for the government to provide a detailed plan for lifting restrictions and the trigger points that would move it along.

    Yeah, good point. Or at least be more transparent about their intended responses. To me, polarized political behavior is a symptom of the ethical bankruptcy of politicians. They’ve adopted the tactics of lawyers in a trial, where winning is everything.

    In contrast, I’ve heard that Mexican traveling judges will often make rulings in cases where both parties need to do restitution or change their behaviors in some way. The goal of these judges is to disentangle people so they can live peacefully together after the judge leaves. It seems like a great idea to me.

    In my opinion, politicians should likewise negotiate the priorities of the people they supposedly represent in the same manner—or be replaced.

    Because, to the best of my knowledge, [Peter Sloly] has not given an interview about his resignation.

    Yeah, you’re right. But on February 4, Peter Sloly did announce his “surge and contain strategy” in this press conference:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWQW0BiBsY

    On February 2, he fiercely condemned the truckers and thanked his police partners at all three levels, which have provided Ottawa additional officers:
    https://youtu.be/or6pax3rQvc?t=861

    What do you think about what Peter Sloly said in the YouTube segment?

    He ended with his observation that there may not be a “policing solution” to ending the trucker protests:
    https://youtu.be/or6pax3rQvc?t=1834

    Could it be that this statement was the cause his forced resignation?

    -Q

    P.S. I just saw this on the news: https://youtu.be/4_5Z2sHO4oU

  155. 155
    News says:

    Shot: The British Columbia-Washington border attracted the interest of a convoy a couple of days back…

    Chaser: According to B.C. Provincial Health Officer, current restrictions are lifted on gatherings as of midnight today (Wednesday, Feb. 16)

    We got their attention.

    All other questions/disputes are useless. Except: Many of us want a Royal Commission on how the Crazy got so out of hand. What role did Big Pharma and China play, for one thing…

    We need far more truckers in Canada than we need ‘crats. The Covid Crazy sure clarified that.

  156. 156
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Would you agree with your minister that the truckers are trying to overthrow the Canadian government?
    For the most part, no. But there is a small faction who’s goal is just that.

    Yeah, good point. Or at least be more transparent about their intended responses. To me, polarized political behavior is a symptom of the ethical bankruptcy of politicians. They’ve adopted the tactics of lawyers in a trial, where winning is everything.

    Agreed.

    I’m afraid that I have an appointment with a cocktail or two. I will watch the videos when I get back and respond.

  157. 157
    jerry says:

    Is the US equivalent about to happen?

    Just In : A ‘People’s Convoy’ of 1,000 US truckers is reportedly gearing up to head from California to DC

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Grahmptri/status/1493978369670664200

    People’s Convoy’ of Truckers Reportedly Heading to DC for Mandate Protest

    https://www.newsweek.com/peoples-convoy-truckers-reportedly-heading-dc-mandate-protest-1679678

  158. 158
    Querius says:

    Scamp @156,

    Thanks and hope you enjoy your cocktails!

    Just watching this live stream of raw footage today (I watch from the beginning so I can skip ahead), I haven’t seen any signs indicating a revolutionary takeover of Canada (can you find anything?):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-rkhOHDVd4

    Most of the streets seem empty and the signs read Freedom, No Mandates, F* Trudeau, and similar things.

    The faces are those of happy ordinary people who are armed only with smiles, hot coffee, sausages, hot soup, and lots of Canadian flags. Nothing that I could see was particularly threatening.

    I’m not sure how a small subset of these people could take over a sandwich shop much less than your entire country!

    Again, why don’t your politicians simply offer to sit down with the truckers and work something out so everyone can go home?

    -Q

    P.S. I just stumbled across a small crowd singing a rendition of “O Canada” that was horribly out of tune! Sedition?

  159. 159
  160. 160
    Querius says:

    Scamp @159,

    Good that they were arrested before they were able to murder an RCMP officer!

    Protest organizer Marco Van Huigenbos said the protest was “infiltrated by an extreme element” and a decision was made for the remaining group to roll out from Coutts on Tuesday morning.”

    -Q

  161. 161
    kairosfocus says:

    News, I think the idea was to minimise parties and crowds at rum shops [EC term for bars], there were sharp restrictions on church, the FIRST congregational meeting of our family church here for 2022 was two Sundays ago. School was also in abeyance as was the civil service [work from home]. To go to the bank, there was a line outside the door and we had the doorkeeper taking our temperature and dousing hands with sanitiser, of course, no mask no entry. They were scared for this wave which had both delta and omicron . . . notice how cleverly they are shifting from allowing ordinary people to hear where variant waves and initial infections come from? Here, original Wuhan China possibly a lab leak after ill advised experiments. Delta seems to be India and Omicron South Africa. KF

  162. 162
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, the role of HM Loyal Opposition [the proper name], is to be an alternative Government in waiting. Something of particular force in a Westminster style system as a vote of no confidence or snap election can happen in principle at any time. As part of that, they help to promote accountability and transparency by being an alternative voice. Not, opposition for the sake of opposition. In particular, while parliament is subject to its own laws [see Erskine May etc] there is immunity from defamation law and there are other legal immunities, rooted in history. Abuses are to be checked by the parliament acting as peers and in the person of the speaker. Parliament is its own court and can gaol you for contempt of parliament that not even Privy Council — yet another level, an international Commonwealth one [almost, an imperial parliament] — can reverse, happened to two MPs in Australia in the 50’s. Sometimes of course this breaks down, but there is a system with its own dynamics. KF

  163. 163
    Scamp says:

    Two Canadian premiers urge Trudeau and Biden to end vaccine mandates for cross-border truckers
    https://apple.news/ATq2d5LueSD2vuuQxeKb5FA

    Unless both countries do it, there is no point in one doing it.

  164. 164
    Scamp says:

    Prominent Black community leaders say Peter Sloly was ‘sabotaged’ and ‘scapegoated’ as police chief
    https://apple.news/A4aeYxbyQT7K2uNAmd9b7pQ

    I don’t know about sabotage, but scapegoating, unfortunately, often comes with the territory.

  165. 165
    Scamp says:

    It looks like things are coming to a head in Ottawa.

    My partner tells me large numbers of police vehicles – cars, SUVs, prisoner transports – are assembled in the parking lot of Infinity Convention Centre near the corner of Uplands Dr and Hunt Club Rd. Parking is almost completely full.

    https://twitter.com/laura_shantz/status/1494101541443223553?s=21

  166. 166
    Querius says:

    Scamp @163
    Bravo! Finally.

    Scamp @164,
    Yes, it really does seem that he was scapegoated, perhaps even sabotaged.

    Peter Sloly is definitely not the usual unimaginative bureaucratic drone that we often encounter, and I’ve completely changed my mind about him after watching his TEDx talk:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19QBkHjazvU

    What I see in him is Motivation, Passion, Commitment, and Inspired Creativity. He deserves much better than what he got!

    Thanks for sharing the links.

    -Q

    P.S. Regarding 165, I believe that your interim police chief is about to make a huge mistake by needlessly escalating the situation, which has already begun to be resolved. Too bad.

  167. 167
    Scamp says:

    Querius@166. I agree. And city council just removed the chair of the Police services Board. Raising more questions.
    https://twitter.com/riverwardriley/status/1494130516202823681?s=21

  168. 168
    Scamp says:

    Qurerius:
    P.S. Regarding 165, I believe that your interim police chief is about to make a huge mistake by needlessly escalating the situation, which has already begun to be resolved. Too bad.

    It is my understanding that it is no longer the Ottawa police running the show.

    I know the area where they are assembling quite well. Right next to the Park’n Fly that I frequently use. At least I did before COVID. The parking lot is not easily visible from any street. But if they hoped to keep the build-up quiet, I’m afraid it hasn’t worked.

    Whether or not it turns violent will probably be up to the protesters.

  169. 169
    Scamp says:

    From one of the organizers.
    https://twitter.com/glen_mcgregor/status/1494153140588924929?s=21

    I read through some of the comments and she does not appear to be receiving any sympathy. And, to make it worse, the other main organizer, Pat King, has headed for the hills.

    The organizers are obviously aware that something is imminent.

  170. 170
    kairosfocus says:

    U/D: From CBC Canada:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-banks-ottawa-protests-1.6353968

    The government’s new directive, called the “emergency ,” goes beyond asking banks to simply stop transferring funds to protest organizers. The government wants banks to stop doing business with some people altogether.

    The order says that banks and other financial entities (like credit unions, co-ops, loan companies, trusts and cryptocurrency platforms) must stop “providing any financial or related services” to people associated with the protests — a move that will result in frozen accounts, stranded money and cancelled credit cards.

    Remember, this is in the middle of a cold winter, in notoriously cold Canada. Where, the big six banks form a cartel that obviously works closely with officialdom.

    What part of, “no man could buy or sell, save . . .” is so hard to understand?

    Or, have we forgotten the satanic dangers of a surveillance and control state?

    KF

  171. 171
    News says:

    Kairosfocus at 170, it is called “debanking”, it is coming to all of us, and it need not involve protests, just being inconvenient. It is routine in China. It is coming to all of us until totalitarian government is rolled back.

  172. 172
    News says:

    When the Centers for Disease Control abandon science…

    https://uncommondescent.com/philosophy/when-the-centers-for-disease-control-abandon-science/

    Prasad: “Throughout this pandemic, the CDC has been a poor steward of that balance, pushing a series of scientific results that are severely deficient. This research is plagued with classic errors and biases, and does not support the press-released conclusions that often follow.” After a while, the public will catch on. The reputation of science is not going to do well out of the “Trust the Science!” phase.”

  173. 173
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Account cancelled by twitter for this picture: Trudeau 2012 vs Trudeau 2022:
    https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1493828701854785547/photo/1

  174. 174
    kairosfocus says:

    BTW, now you know part of why I stoutly defend paper [as in effect promissory on payment transformed into recognised store of value and means of exchange] and specie, i.e. silver and gold, maybe platinum and as it gets scarcer copper. These last are checks on cynical issuing authorities inflating paper into nothingness. KF

  175. 175
    William J Murray says:

    KF, Querius and others:

    I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but I think you’ll find it quite helpful when making arguments concerning the “vaccine” and the threat it poses:
    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-bradford-hill-criteria

  176. 176
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#169)

    Why would you expect she’d find any support from within a Twitter comment section?

  177. 177
    KRock says:

    It’s incredibly disturbing to watch my country, in particular the federal government, go full-totalitarian on its own citizens. Even more disturbing is watching a subset of my so-called fellow citizens support it and cheer it on. As a Canadian, I can honesty say that I no longer recognize my birth country.

    It will not shock me to see a few of the western provinces secede from the rest of Canada in the not too distant future; and good on them if they decide to.

  178. 178
    Seversky says:

    William J Murray/175

    KF, Querius and others:

    I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but I think you’ll find it quite helpful when making arguments concerning the “vaccine” and the threat it poses:
    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-bradford-hill-criteria

    You may also want to consider this Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims when assessing the credibility of the author.

  179. 179
    Seversky says:

    News/172

    When the Centers for Disease Control abandon science…

    I thought you would be pleased if that were the case since you and others here have been campaigning so diligently to undermine the credibility of science.

  180. 180
    William J Murray says:

    Seversky,

    As Jessica herself has said, anyone can claim her data and her conclusions drawn from that data is wrong; the question is, instead of just claiming it is wrong, why not show how either her data or her conclusions drawn from the data are wrong?

    Are we supposed to assume that the credibility of Reuter’s fact-checkers is greater than that of Jessica? Why, because they call themselves “fact-checkers?” Because it’s Reuters? Appealing to credibility is not a sound part of any logical, fact, data and evidence-based argument.

  181. 181
    jerry says:

    A report on the CDC. How accurate or appropriate is this article because it is damning?

    How the CDC Abandoned Science

    So why does the supposedly impartial CDC push weak or flawed studies to support the administration’s pandemic policy goals? The cynical answer is that the agency is not in fact impartial (and thus not sufficiently scientific), but captured by the country’s national political system. That answer has become harder to avoid. This is a precarious situation, as it undermines trust in federal agencies and naturally leads to a trust vacuum, in which Americans feel forced to cast about in a confused search for alternative sources of information.

    Once that trust is broken, it’s not easily regained. One way out would be to reduce the CDC’s role in deciding policy, even during a pandemic. Expecting the executive agency tasked with conducting the science itself to also help formulate national policy—which must balance both scientific and political concerns and preferences—has proven a failure, because the temptation to produce flawed or misleading analysis is simply too great. In order to firewall policymaking from science, perhaps scientific agency directors shouldn’t be political appointees at all.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/how-the-cdc-abandoned-science

    undermine the credibility of science

    Not science but phony studies put forth pretending to be science.

    Here is a question for everyone.

    Who promotes the worse false studies masquerading as science? The CDC or the universities that promote natural mechanisms for Evolution?

  182. 182
    News says:

    Murray at 180, you write “Are we supposed to assume that the credibility of Reuter’s fact-checkers is greater than that of Jessica? Why, because they call themselves “fact-checkers?” Because it’s Reuters? ”

    Anyone familiar with the history of “fact-checking” who aims for sound judgment would make no such assumption as that they are right and Jessica is wrong. Fact checkers are, generally, enforcers of an official view. But in the case of much around COVID-19, the official view may be deeply corrupted at various points.

    As for Reuters, even in countries where the media are not funded by the government to stay in business, as they are in Canada, media are increasingly vehicles for the dissemination of a worldview not of readers but of social elites. That’s simply because most people do not depend on them the way they used to for news. The connection is broken.

    When I wanted to know what was going on with the Victoria Freedom Convoys, I had to go down and see for myself. I knew that media would always be looking over their collective shoulder at government. Fortunately, finding out for myself wasn’t too difficult. But it does take one back a ways in cultural history…

    At least, the media who don’t cover such things much are not simply regurgitating the slanders they have been fed.

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    Seversky says:

    William J Murray/180

    As Jessica herself has said, anyone can claim her data and her conclusions drawn from that data is wrong; the question is, instead of just claiming it is wrong, why not show how either her data or her conclusions drawn from the data are wrong?

    Of course anyone can claim she is wrong just as she is claiming she is right. The obvious question is how do you decide? Do you take her at her word because you’re antivax? Did you toss a coin?

    Are we supposed to assume that the credibility of Reuter’s fact-checkers is greater than that of Jessica? Why, because they call themselves “fact-checkers?” Because it’s Reuters?

    Let’s see. Are Reuters fact-checkers more credible than an unreviewed article published on a Substack account? I’d say on balance, yes.

    Appealing to credibility is not a sound part of any logical, fact, data and evidence-based argument.

    Quite right and if she is tacitly appealing to her background in computational biology as making her claims equally credible to – or more credible than – those of the CDC or WHO then she should stop doing it.

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    Seversky says:

    News/182

    Anyone familiar with the history of “fact-checking” who aims for sound judgment would make no such assumption as that they are right and Jessica is wrong. Fact checkers are, generally, enforcers of an official view. But in the case of much around COVID-19, the official view may be deeply corrupted at various points

    If fact-checking is not to be relied on, what is? Blogs that uncritically promote all manner of conspiracy theories or are driven by political, ideological or theological agendas to define their own “facts”?

    I hold no brief for your despised “legacy media” – especially when it stoops to the level of something like the Daily Mail – but there are also newspapers and magazines who try to hold themselves to traditional standards of fair and accurate reporting and practice due diligence when trying to check their facts.

    The reality is that all media are engaged in ruthless competition for the attention of the available audience or readership. To that end, the less conscientious have no difficulty pandering shamelessly to the prejudices of that readership.

    If you abandon any commitment to fairness, honesty and accuracy insofar as they are achievable then what else do you have to offer?

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    ET says:

    seversky:

    I thought you would be pleased if that were the case since you and others here have been campaigning so diligently to undermine the credibility of science.

    Too funny coming from someone who is ignorant of science.

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    asauber says:

    “If fact-checking is not to be relied on, what is?”

    Sev,

    The world is messy and maybe there isn’t anything that is always reliable.

    I think your question is really, really, dumb, and is illustrative that you proggs are living in a fantasyland where you just decide to depend on second-hand unreliable fact-checking that might be wrong.

    Andrew

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    Scamp says:

    If the Ottawa protesters are smart they should declare victory and move on.

  188. 188
    Silver Asiatic says:

    When you see a media source apologize to the public for getting things wrong, then we’ll see honesty and accuracy at work.
    For example, those media sources that claimed “there will not be any vaccine mandates” as a result of Covid policies need to apologize.
    8:10 – conspiracy nuts claimed the government would impose vaccine mandates.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2H3EO_zinU&t=488s

  189. 189
    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, naive. The crooked yardstick principle applies. Once one has accepted such as a mistaken standard of straight, accurate, upright, what is actually such will seem to be false. Worse, other particular crookednesses too, so there is a huge reward for getting crooked yardsticks accepted. What can be trusted is soundness, starting with first principles and duties of reason. Claimed sources and fact checkers are under such. Also, track record counts. The major media, officialdom and their preferred experts have expended their presumption of credibility, and that includes far too high a proportion of the many fact checkers so called. After this pandemic, there will be Hell to pay, and I don’t say that lightly. Credibility is far harder to rebuild than to build in the first instance. KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    PS, a critical issue has been marginalisation of a growing number of effective treatments and of highly qualified concerned voices.

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    Querius says:

    Scamp @167,

    I agree. And city council just removed the chair of the Police services Board. Raising more questions.

    Actually, I’m sorry to hear about the need to do this.

    The thing that bothers me most nowadays is the complete lack of transparency in many of our institutions, who’s members seem to treat the people they serve as if they were little children.

    This speaks volumes. I sincerely hope that Peter Sloly is exonerated!

    -Q

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    kairosfocus says:

    PPS, Sev, Science does not equal evolutionary materialistic scientism. As for this last, its inescapable incoherence is its self-discredit. Little can be done for institutions that embedded that ideology. Especially when Hell starts knocking at the door about overdue payments. We have been on a voyage of folly for a long time.

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    jerry says:

    A media report on the truckers. Admit-tingly by a conservative reporter but this usually means something close to the truth.

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/02/16/what-this-reporter-in-canada-with-truckers-is-seeing/

    An excerpt

    I was talking to one of the truckers the other day and he was pointing out that to actually get a bunch of 18-wheelers out of these relatively narrow streets by Parliament Hill, they would need heavy-duty military equipment that, first of all, local law enforcement doesn’t have, but also the Canadian military probably doesn’t have. It’s the kind of equipment that the U.S. military has. So they’d have to call in U.S. military to get these guys out. And you can imagine what that would look like as far as a public relations special?

    So as long as they can keep managing to keep the funding rolling in—which is the real threat to what they’re doing—the threat, the idle saber rattling of cops coming in and moving these guys out, I think is probably not going to materialize, knock on wood.

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    Scamp says:

    Jerry@193, I think this trucker has little knowledge of the heavy equipment available to the city. But it wouldn’t be in the truckers’ best interest to force this solution. Removing the trucks and removing them without damage are two different things.

  195. 195
    Querius says:

    William J Murray @75,

    I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but I think you’ll find it quite helpful when making arguments concerning the “vaccine” and the threat it poses:
    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-bradford-hill-criteria

    Thank you! The presentation was brilliant.

    Several correlations can be challenged, but as usual, the “fact checkers” (who usually have no credentials in the subject) are quick to dismiss the data as misinformation or quackery while not providing any evidence to the contrary! I’m sick of these types of indirect ad hominem attacks.

    I have a minor quibble on #9 of this version of the Bradford Hill criteria, Analogy. Strictly speaking, an analogy is “the strongest argument, but weakest proof.” It’s one of the best teaching tools available to convey a concept, and it might provide a suspicion as was the case of the discovery of the benzine ring, but not much beyond that.

    Instead, I’d have used the word Similarity in a narrow sense. For example, Covid-19 is similar to other corona viruses, or the Covid-19 pandemic is similar to other viral pandemics.

    Personally, I give a lot of credibility to anecdotal evidence. It’s certainly profoundly deficient statistically and is also vulnerable to survivor bias, but it’s okay as a source for a suspicion or a hypothesis.

    For example, in my circle of friends, relatives, and acquaintances, there have been several (~6)serious side effects of the vaccine and one of them died last week of myocarditis that was diagnosed shortly after he received the vaccine. Statistically, my experience would be considered highly unusual and doesn’t prove anything. True. But it nevertheless is pretty darn suspicious.

    Thanks again.

    -Q

  196. 196
    Querius says:

    News @182,

    Bravo! After fact checking some of the “fact checkers,” I’ve also found several to have virtually no factual support in many cases, and I’ve also found several grossly distorting the so-called facts. While they attack pre-publication findings as not peer reviewed, their own attacks certainly aren’t peer reviewed either.

    Additionally, after a researcher publishes a paper, it seems like there’s an immediate response of new websites proclaiming “the truth” about the subject of the paper and ascribing ulterior motives to the author (as if they themselves are immune against the same charge). Disgusting!

    -Q

  197. 197
    Scamp says:

    An interesting perspective.

    I know what it’s like to feel fear to venture outside, to feel that it’s safe not to go anywhere, to live under a regime that weakens people and breaks them to the point they would agree to anything to stop the violence they face.
    I know what that’s like, because I survived the Augusto Pinochet dictatorship in Chile. I came to this country as a political refugee in the 1970s. For me, freedom meant losing everything: my home, my family, my job. 
    I thought I had left the fear and uncertainty behind, but those feelings are rising to the surface again.

    I never thought that I would see what is taking place here in Canada right now. People are occupying main streets, speeding through the streets in residential areas, honking non stop and shouting obscenities at people who are wearing masks.

    https://apple.news/AuerDWS-aT8yFfbG0H0s0tA

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    Scamp says:

    The latest is that the police are setting up a perimeter, with over a hundred checkpoints. To get into the core you will have to prove that you have a valid reason to be there.

    And we are expecting 30 cm of snow in the next 12 hours.

    And, on top of that, there are still truckers who have their kids in the occupation zone. This is not a @learning moment”, this is bordering on the endangerment of children.

  200. 200
    Scamp says:

    “ Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll”
    https://apple.news/AM8uq3pkZQPqjnNlacQkb5g

  201. 201
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Scamp
    “ Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll”

    😆 Well… if that is what they want then ALL of two-thirds should sign with their name and be forced from now on to have covid certificate for life while the other third should do whatever they want .

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    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Arrests made.”

    I hope they arrest those people who terrorized
    Tammi Giuliani the owner of Stella Luna Gelato Cafe and her son. Probably not.

    Vivid

  204. 204
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    Scamp
    “ Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll”

    Is it true that the Canadian Civil Liberties Assoc thinks the Emergency Act is huge overreach and unwarranted?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ccla-lawsuit-emergencies-act-1.6355846

    Vivid

  205. 205
    Scamp says:

    VB:
    I hope they arrest those people who terrorized
    Tammi Giuliani the owner of Stella Luna Gelato Cafe and her son.

    I agree.

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    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    Is it true that the Canadian Civil Liberties Assoc thinks the Emergency Act is huge overreach and unwarranted?

    I don’t know. But I think it was completely unnecessary. The problem wasn’t the lack of laws and authority, it was the lack of action on existing laws.

  207. 207
    Scamp says:

    Ottawa is shutting down transit into the city core.

    https://twitter.com/riverwardriley/status/1494481060691947536?s=21

  208. 208
    Querius says:

    Scamp,
    Yeah, Trudeau’s invoking the Emergency Powers act was probably necessary since existing laws weren’t being enforced. Apparently, Ottawa lawyers are now calling for the police to side with the truckers:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvMlIm4yE94

    So, if this actually happens, Trudeau will have no choice but use the Emergency Powers Act to deploy the Canadian military against the truckers, the police, and other protesters. Ottawa lawyers will of course will then be arrested for aiding and abetting.

    Frankly, I really don’t think that this scenario is very likely because the police aren’t mandated to get vaxxed, at least for now.

    However, according to this report posted today, 48% of Canadians think that Trudeau is “not up for the job” (Feb 9-10) and only 16% of Canadians approve of his handling of the protest so far.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfv8DXFErs

    But many of the truckers apparently don’t care anymore—they say that they’re staying or their backs are against the wall:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rcM8I73vH8

    So, with nobody willing to give in or negotiate, it seems that Trudeau will have no choice but to carry through with forceful action, either police or military.

    With all the police vans now massing in Ottawa, the authorities obviously will be transporting these truckers to camps somewhere else to be interned until the national emergency is over, which perhaps should include an investigation into the threat of additional weapons caches and additional underground Canadian extremist groups.

    Trudeau’s action will also serve as an important warning to all other Canadians. Then, Ottawa can finally get back to its normal routine without the fear of any future disruptive protests.

    Right?

    -Q

  209. 209
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    So, if this actually happens, Trudeau will have no choice but use the Emergency Powers Act to deploy the Canadian military against the truckers, the police, and other protesters. Ottawa lawyers will of course will then be arrested for aiding and abetting.

    This won’t happen. I’m sure most cops would refuse to do something that is clearly illegal but this is not the situation here. What the protesters are doing is clearly illegal and the police will move them out if they don’t leave on their own.

    However, according to this report posted today, 48% of Canadians think that Trudeau is “not up for the job” (Feb 9-10) and only 16% of Canadians approve of his handling of the protest so far.

    He only won a minority government the last couple elections so his less than 50% approval is not unexpected. And his handling of the truckers is just another indication of his incompetence. But this doesn’t justify the behaviour of the truckers.

    So with nobody willing to give in or negotiate, it seems that Trudeau will have no choice but to carry through with forceful action, either police or military

    This is Canada. He can’t direct the police to do anything. And the only way that he would call in the military is if the truckers react violently when the police try to move them out.

    With all the police vans now massing in Ottawa, the authorities obviously will be transporting these truckers to camps somewhere else to be interned until the national emergency is over, which perhaps should include an investigation into the threat of additional weapons caches and additional underground Canadian extremist groups.

    Nah. They will be moved out, charged and spend a couple days in jail. Then they will be released on bail. But the biggest threat against them will be financial. There is a multi-million class-action suit against them.

  210. 210
    Scamp says:

    I drove across the city this afternoon and noticed that the police have closed all exits for streets that lead downtown. They have set up a perimeter around the “red zone” and won’t let anyone in unless they live or work there.

  211. 211
    Scamp says:

    If there is a good thing about Trudeau invoking the Emergencies Act is that it necessitates an inquiry within a year.

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    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Nah. They will be moved out, charged and spend a couple days in jail. Then they will be released on bail. But the biggest threat against them will be financial. There is a multi-million class-action suit against them.”

    Yeh no big deal they will only have to spend a few nights in jail ,be wiped out financially, be on a terrorist watch list and who knows what else. But hey they are Nazis, racists, homophobes , transphobes, I’m sure I am missing some other horrible and disgusting traits but I am sure you can fill them in for me. Face it they are just the wrong class of people who kept food on your table at risk to themselves throughout the pandemic but damn they honked their horns, inconvenienced your daughter, caused traffic jams, and cost businesses money.I do wonder if some of them will see the light of day for months. As I said they are just working class and the ruling class has to put them in their place.

    Vivid

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    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    Yeh no big deal they will only have to spend a few nights in jail ,be wiped out financially, be on a terrorist watch list and who knows what else.

    Only if they act violently. Otherwise they will be charged, get suspended sentences and pay a fine. The financial implications, other than the fine, will be the result of civil suits.

    Face it they are just the wrong class of people who kept food on your table at risk to themselves throughout the pandemic…

    No. Those truck drivers, over 90% of them, are still making sure I have food on the table. These protesters took steps to try to prevent food from getting to my table.

    …but damn they honked their horns,

    In violation of a court order.

    …inconvenienced your daughter, caused traffic jams, and cost businesses money

    It was my daughter-in-law. And it resulted in three of her patients being transferred to a hospital because she could not get to their apartments to provide medically necessary assistance.

    As I said they are just working class and the ruling class has to put them in their place.

    Before they cause more damage to other working class people. Sorry. I have no sympathy. They were given plenty of advance warnings about the possible consequences of their actions, and ignored them. And what’s worse, they made sure that others suffered for their perceived grievances.

  215. 215
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “What the protesters are doing is clearly illegal “

    I am old enough to remember this was the charge made against MLK.

    Vivid

  216. 216
    Scamp says:

    The secure perimeter being imposed by Ottawa police.
    https://twitter.com/ottawacity/status/1494501999504773121?s=21

  217. 217
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    I am old enough to remember this was the charge made against MLK.

    And I am old enough, and intelligent enough, to know better than to try to draw a ridiculous comparison between these protesters and MLK. But feel free to try.

  218. 218
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “And I am old enough, and intelligent enough, to know better than to try to draw a ridiculous comparison between these protesters and MLK”

    So intelligent one did they or did they not level the illegality charge against MLK?

    Vivid

  219. 219
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, Vivid has brought out precisely the issue that comes out in cases of persistent refusal to listen to remonstrance, leading to the matter of interposition of lower magistrates [including emerging representatives] and/or to civil disobedience as protest. Which, a certain MLK helped pioneer. I find it astonishing how the underlying issue at stake is being side stepped: the legitimacy and competence of powers that be is in question, not because they are unable to enforce certain laws, or because they are excessively harsh on that [though such too often obtains] but that they are willfully deaf to remonstrance and petition regarding legitimate grievance. They have so marginalised and dismissed concerns, considerations and people alike that they may well be deaf to reason. Here, they have imposed a premature alleged scientific consensus, have marginalised evidence, have granted unprecedented immunities to producers of frankly experimental and evidently significantly dangerous treatments administered by effective compulsion without informed consent, and are imposing onerous burdens threatening livelihood to enforce compliance. In the light of the Nuremberg Code, I find the irony of insinuating in parliament that a descendant of holocaust survivors is associating with swastikas — a gross distortion and insult that should attract censure — is likely a telling sign of cognitive dissonance and projection to the despised other which reflects seriously warped thinking not appropriate for policy makers. A serious rethink is in order. KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    PS, I gather Mr Trudeau has refused to apologise for his unparliamentary conduct. That goes to character and to mindset. He apparently fails to realise that he is seeing interposition and remonstrance. A familiar, sad tale, and one that highlights that he is probably over-reacting in reaching for emergency powers.

  221. 221
    vividbleau says:

    KF
    “Sc, Vivid has brought out precisely the issue that comes out in cases of persistent refusal to listen to remonstrance, leading to the matter of interposition of lower magistrates [including emerging representatives] and/or to civil disobedience as protest. “

    Yes and Scamp as intelligent as he claims to be missed my point entirely, those engaging in civil disobedience do so “illegally” I am not in anyway comparing the righteousness of the truckers cause to that of the civil rights movement. I am merely pointing out that civil disobedience usually if not always is accompanied by some violation of law otherwise it is not “civil disobedience” That charge of “law breaking” is always used to marginalize civil disobedience. Ghandi broke the law peacefully,MLK broke the law peacefully,the Weathermen broke the law violently,the Chicago 7 broke the law violently , Antifa broke the law violently, BLM broke the law violently , etc,etc.

    Vivid

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    jerry says:

    Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out

    I believe what this all says is that so called nice people are not really nice.

    Canadians have a reputation as being generally nice people but this indicates support for reprehensible people. A president who obviously lies and refers to protesters as racist using nazi and confederate flags in his speech. Government leaders who threaten financial harm not only to protesters but to those who help them

    For what?

    Doing the right thing.

    I just came back by a cruise that included a lot of Canadians who were very nice. It has been my experience that they are always polite and friendly. But this poll indicates otherwise.

    I’m not making an accusation against Canadians specifically but people in general. A large percentage of Americans would act the same.

    The one thing this false emergency over this virus has shown is just how easily Nazi Germany can happen to any so called enlightened nation. Canada is just the current Petrie dish.

    In the United States it is the elite that votes for oppressive policies under the understanding they will be spared.

    Aside: sailed within 50 miles of Kf on our Caribbean cruise.

  223. 223
    KRock says:

    @ Vividbleau

    Scamp continues to believe that the ongoing peaceful protest (which is what’s its been entirely) in Ottawa is illegal. You can’t fix stupid.

  224. 224
    asauber says:

    I get the impression that Scamp is enjoying watching the state flex it’s muscles at it’s own citizens. It simply gives him a thrill to see his tribe doing what his tribe was born to do: rule.

    Andrew

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    Seversky says:

    5G and QAnon: how conspiracy theorists steered Canada’s anti-vaccine trucker protest

    […]

    The so-called “freedom convoy” – which departed for Ottawa on 23 January – was the brainchild of James Bauder, an admitted conspiracy theorist who has endorsed the QAnon movement and called Covid-19 “the biggest political scam in history”. Bauder’s group, Canada Unity, contends that vaccine mandates and passports are illegal under Canada’s constitution, the Nuremberg Code and a host of other international conventions.

    Bauder has long been a fringe figure, but his movement caught a gulf stream of support after the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, announced last year that truckers crossing the US-Canada border would need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The supposed plight of the truckers proved to be a compelling public relations angle and attracted an array of fellow travelers.

    Until now, a litany of organizations had protested Canada’s strict public health measures, but largely in isolation. One such group, Hold Fast Canada, had organized pickets of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s headquarters, where they claimed that concentration camps had already been introduced in the country.

    Truckers and supporters continue to protest COVID-19 vaccine mandates in OttawaPolice officers walk in the crowd, as truckers and supporters continue to protest coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccine mandates, in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, February 6, 2022

    Ottawa protests: how did the rallies against vaccine mandates begin and what’s next?

    Another group, Action4Canada, launched legal challenges to mask and vaccine mandates. In one 400-page court filing, they allege that the “false pronouncement of a Covid-19 ‘pandemic’” was carried out, at least in part, by Bill Gates and a “New World (Economic) Order” to facilitate the injection of 5G-enabled microchips into the population.

    Both groups are listed as “participating groups” on the Canada Unity website, and sent vehicles and personnel to join the convoy.

    Other organizers joined Bauder, including Chris Barber, a Saskatchewan trucker who was fined $14,000 in October for violating provincial public health measures; Tamara Lich, an activist for a fringe political party advocating that western Canada should become an independent state; Benjamin Dichter, who has warned of the “growing Islamization of Canada”; and Pat King, an anti-government agitator who has repeatedly called for Trudeau to be arrested.

    Since they have arrived in Ottawa, the extreme elements of the protest have been visible: neo-Nazi and Confederate flags were seen flying, QAnon logos were emblazoned on trucks and signs and stickers were pasted to telephone poles around the occupied area bear Trudeau’s face, reading: “Wanted for crimes against humanity.”

    The official line from Bauder and his co-organizers, however, has remained focused; in a Facebook live broadcast, Bauder instructed his supporters to “stop talking about the vaccine” and instead stick to message of “freedom”.

    Such strict message control has attracted mainstream support. Numerous members of the Conservative party, Canada’s official opposition, have come out to meet the protesters. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have both endorsed the convoy. Fox broadcasters Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson have provided glowing updates on the continuing occupation.

    Bauder vowed the convoy would camp out in Ottawa until their demands are met, insisting to his followers that a “memorandum of understanding” would force the government’s hand, possibly even triggering fresh elections, if enough people sign.

    A Canada Unity organizer went further, saying it would require the Senate to “go after the prime minister” for “corruption” and “fascism”. There is no legal basis for those claims.

    King has laid out a more direct plan of action to the occupiers: “What we want to focus on is our politicians, their houses, their locations,” he said in a January Facebook stream. If political pressure doesn’t work, King said, blocking major supply chains “will be later on”.

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    News says:

    It’s amazing that The Guardian and Seversky at 225 – neither of whom have been anywhere near a Convoy, probably – actually believe this stuff. But then maybe it;s not amazing. They need it. We don’t.

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    jerry says:

    They need it. We don’t.

    We desire truth. They don’t.

    If a pro ID person deviates from the truth, they get called out. The one exception is the YEC’s who are essentially ignored.

    The nonsense and disingenuous behavior essentially comes from the anti ID people.

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    asauber says:

    Sev is the Poster Boy for mindlessly slogging through the years not being able to retain non-narrative information.

    Andrew

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    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    Scamp continues to believe that the ongoing peaceful protest (which is what’s its been entirely) in Ottawa is illegal. You can’t fix stupid.

    They are blocking roadways, illegally. They are lighting fires, illegally. They are constructing structures, illegally. They are harassing people, illegally. They are blasting their air horns, illegally, and in violation of a court order. They blocked international bridges, illegally. They disobeyed court injunctions against blocking international bridges, illegally.

    This ceased being a legal protest when they decided to camp out on city streets.

  230. 230
    jerry says:

    This ceased being a legal protest when they decided to camp out on city streets.

    Sounds like the Civil Rights protests in the US.

    Is that the most relevant analogy?

    Is Trudeau the George Wallace of our day? Then what are his supporters?

    Irony: Trudeau complains about swastika and confederate flags when he exemplifies the power behind each.

  231. 231
    News says:

    Scamp at 229, the government can make anything illegal, including having a bank account. As you know.

    It can also refuse to listen to those who have had enough of the non-science nonsense inflicted on the public.

    The truckers’ real problem isn’t even Justin and his fanboys and girls; it’s the vast mass of fear porn junkies who lack any ability to assess risk and just want the government to crack down on anyone who insists on a return to normal life. The junkies have probably forgotten what that is. Sadly, they don’t miss it either.

    But little by little, we are pruning back government overreach in this matter, province by province…

    Truckistan is mainly a signal.

    Just wait till we get federal and provincial inquiries into what really happened here. Maybe that’s why governments seize every opportunity to discredit, frighten, dox, and harm those demanding an end to the Crazy.

    Some of us still want to know what exact role Canada played in working on and funding gain of function viruses. We think that one reason for keeping Crazystan going indefinitely is to put off that reckoning. But it’s coming.

    Each person rescued from the Crazy is someone who could possibly listen.

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    KRock says:

    @scamp

    “They are blocking roadways, illegally. They are lighting fires, illegally. They are constructing structures, illegally. They are harassing people, illegally. They are blasting their air horns, illegally, and in violation of a court order. They blocked international bridges, illegally. They disobeyed court injunctions against blocking international bridges, illegally.”

    No, the truckers are NOT blocking roadways. Very few trucks are even downtown, so nice try. The police are the ones who have restricted access into these areas, not the truckers. Very few instances of harassment have even been reported. So again, nice try. Airhorns have ceased; you hardly hear them anymore. And the sounding of airhorns was only recently deemed to be a city violation, and only because of an emergency driven court order at the hand of angry liberals. I’m not talking about border crossings, I’m talking about the City of Ottawa.

    Odd, I hear nothing from you regarding the ongoing violent pipeline protests from alt-left radicals? They must meet your definition of what constitutes a legally sanctioned and peaceful protest.

  233. 233
    Scamp says:

    News:
    Scamp at 229, the government can make anything illegal, including having a bank account. As you know.

    But all of the things in my list were illegal even before the pandemic.

    Just wait till we get federal and provincial inquiries into what really happened here.

    As I pointed out earlier, the Emergencies act was not needed to disperse the protesters. But the one thing it has done is the enacting it now requires the government to initiate an inquiry.

  234. 234
    KRock says:

    “It’s bizarro world when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is bashing Trudeau promoting freedom of choice when it comes to vaccination.”

    – Mason Betha

    If Trudeau didn’t have double standards he’d have none at all.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/trudeau-donated-black-lives-matter-kneeled-obedience-arrests-working-truckers-freezes-bank-accounts-steals-dogs-oppose-vax-rules/

  235. 235
    Scamp says:

    A recent story that the Ottawa 911 is being swamped with fake calls. If this is being done by the protesters then they should be charged. Given that there aren’t many pay-phones any more, it won’t be difficult to find them.

  236. 236
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    Odd, I hear nothing from you regarding the ongoing violent pipeline protests from alt-left radicals?

    And you haven’t heard anything from me about doping in the olympics either. Neither are relevant to the current discussion.

    They must meet your definition of what constitutes a legally sanctioned and peaceful protest.

    If you need to mis-characterize me as belonging to the radical alt-left in order to dismiss my views, I’m not going to stop you.

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    KRock says:

    @Scamp #235

    “A recent story that the Ottawa 911 is being swamped with fake calls. If this is being done by the protesters then they should be charged. Given that there aren’t many pay-phones any more, it won’t be difficult to find them.”

    Didn’t you also try to convince us that the protesters were attempting to burn apartment buildings down? The last I heard, it was a few locals who lit that fire, not the truckers or their supporters.

    @Scamp (#236)

    “And you haven’t heard anything from me about doping in the olympics either. Neither are relevant to the current discussion.”

    Your hypocrisy has become glaringly obvious.

    “If you need to mid-characterize me as belonging to the radical alt-left in order to dismiss my views, I’m not going to stop you.”

    I don’t need to characterize you, you’re doing a fine job of it yourself. ,

  239. 239
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    Didn’t you also try to convince us that the protesters were attempting to burn apartment buildings down?

    If you have to resort to making false claims about me there is no point attempting to have a discussion with you. Have a nice day.

  240. 240
    Scamp says:

    “ Protestors have put children between police operations and the unlawful protest site.

    The children will be brought to a place of safety.”
    https://twitter.com/ottawapolice/status/1494718932212662284?s=21

  241. 241
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#239)

    Well, if it wasn’t you, I apologize. I’ve heard so many false stories about these truckers and their supporters over the last several weeks that it’s hard to keep track.

  242. 242
    Scamp says:

    “NP View: Emergencies Act just the latest example of Trudeau’s contempt for Parliament”
    https://apple.news/ASowseh9RSQCLc8It19KE7Q

  243. 243
    jerry says:

    The ones to blame for this fiasco are the Canadian people themselves. They voted for this government.

    Apparently there are mass arrests going on at this moment.

    https://twitter.com/BJdichter/status/1494733499785490437

    It will be interesting to see what attitudes towards Canadian policemen will be. In the US they go in and out of favor depending on the political party in charge and what they do.

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    KRock says:

    @Jerry

    “The ones to blame for this fiasco are the Canadian people themselves. They voted for this government.”

    Not all of us voted for this tyrant. Nevertheless, the elected Liberal government, with the help of the New Democratic Party, has gone full nazi on a group of peaceful protesters and their supporters. They’ve not only threatened them with violence and intimidation, but they’ve also aided in doxing individuals who helped crowd fund for the convoy.

    Today is a very very sad day for Canada. Even sadder when you see some of your so-called fellow citizens support and cheer on this tyranny; such people would have fit in well in Nazi Germany

  246. 246
    Scamp says:

    Jerry@243. The text of the tweet you linked to is below.

    BREAKING: Ottawa police are now boxing in “protestors” and executing mass arrests. Once again escalating the situation and not allowing people to leave in #peace. Why are you always escalating?

    The comments to this tweet are very revealing. Here is one:

    They just messaged over a bullhorn , to the crowd, if they want to leave go north on Sussex or risk arrest.
    Quit gas lighting. It was loud and clear over the coverage . And the stream I’m watching is from a demonstrator

    So, not only are they being allowed to leave, they are being instructed on the direction to head if they want to leave.

  247. 247
    jerry says:

    Not all of us

    That’s true everywhere. It’s also true in the US. It’s hard to point to anywhere that it’s not true.

    Prosperity has created this tolerance of certain types of intolerance. The truckers are not a minority group so it’s ok to be intolerant to them. If they were some minority group, people would be falling over backwards to accommodate them.

    One of the effects of the virus and the lockdown mentality of the digital economy is that the others have become even more invisible. Isolation has been intensified.

    But this intolerance has created all sorts of problems which we are just now seeing with the truckers. There are many more out there just like the truckers. It’s just they are not as essential so the truckers bubbled up to the top.

    Ibn Khaldun wrote about this phenomenon over 600 years ago. It’s called Assabiya. Prosperity breeds intolerance and eventually disintegration.

    This is now going on in the world but meantime right now at this moment more disintegration.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1494737475541291008

  248. 248
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    This is now going on in the world but meantime right now at this moment more disintegration.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1494737475541291008

    The cops appear to be showing remarkable restraint.

  249. 249
    Scamp says:

    A few links to the police actions and protesters.
    https://ottawacitizen.com/?jwsource=cl

    https://ottawacitizen.com/?jwsource=cl

    https://ottawacitizen.com/?jwsource=cl

    “ Trucker Protest: Day 22, Third protest leader, King, arrested; Children placed between protest and officers, police say; 21 arrests so far”
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/trucker-protest-day-22-more-arrested-in-central-area-two-convoy-leaders-due-in-court-friday/wcm/9f0cf9f1-9c1d-415f-bb97-0117e1e55f33/amp/

  250. 250
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @215, 221
    Brilliant.

    I am merely pointing out that civil disobedience usually if not always is accompanied by some violation of law otherwise it is not “civil disobedience” That charge of “law breaking” is always used to marginalize civil disobedience.

    The fact that the truckers protested for three full weeks makes both the seriousness of their grievances and the depth of their determination obvious. In response, the Canadian government first ignored the truckers, then mocked and maligned them, and when they became annoying, are choosing to crush them with force.

    Authorities in power naturally resort to the pretense of outrage (“I’m shocked, shocked”) at the “Blatant Disregard of the Established Law (which they themselves don’t follow) to grind any perceived political threat into powder. This never turns out well in the long run.

    The right of protest including civil disobedience in demonstration of a grievance has now been unilaterally and irretrievably been removed from the Canadian Charter (except for secretly government sanctioned ones, of course). Canadians will now be strictly governed by an authoritarian state, censorship from a totalitarian press, and the complicity of the heads of all social institutions.

    Over time, Canadians will experience unrestrained over-regulation of all aspects of their lives without meaningful recourse, mandatory conformance to ever changing requirements, and a form of de facto slavery. Everything will increasingly become either illegal or mandatory.

    -Q

  251. 251
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @219

    Exactly. The heart of the issue is derivation of governmental authority. It can only come from a few sources:

    1. Divine right/mandate of heaven
    2. Raw force
    3. Merit/qualifications (several European monarchs were put into power this way)
    4. Popular consent/contract

    The Canadian truck drivers succeeded in revealing that the Canadian government is basically sliding from 4 to 2 but has been hiding it.

    -Q

  252. 252
    Querius says:

    News @231

    The truckers’ real problem isn’t even Justin and his fanboys and girls; it’s the vast mass of fear porn junkies who lack any ability to assess risk and just want the government to crack down on anyone who insists on a return to normal life.

    Actually, I believe the wannabe totalitarians of Canada have several powerful tools available to control what they view as the stupid, unwashed masses: Fear, Force, Blackmail, Bribery, Surveillance, Propaganda/Misinformation, and the ability to Frame anyone they choose.

    And now the Canadian authorities are threatening truckers with what amounts to euthanizing their pets!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgwnJX6lnlg

    When they’ve defeated the Canadian people, they will then realize that their fellow totalitarians are now their primary threat and the purges within the ruling party will begin. Remember that during the Great Purge of 1936-1938, fueled by his dictatorial paranoia, Joseph Stalin liquidated about a third of Communist party members and ALL former Bolsheviks.

    But there are always “enemies of the state,” such as this fine man who reveals the true story behind the swastika that was twisted by the media:
    https://youtu.be/v-6pveoCADg

    -Q

  253. 253
    jerry says:

    The cops appear to be showing remarkable restraint

    I guess kicking the guy while he is down is remarkable restraint.

  254. 254
    Querius says:

    Jerry @247,

    Ibn Khaldun wrote about this phenomenon over 600 years ago. It’s called Assabiya. Prosperity breeds intolerance and eventually disintegration.

    Fascinating! Thank you. It reminds me of some of H.L Mencken’s (1880-1956) famous quotes:

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

    The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety.

    The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.

    The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out… without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    Jerry @253,

    I guess kicking the guy while he is down is remarkable restraint.

    LOL! In areas in the U.S. they would instead have immediately thought he was reaching for a gun . . .

    -Q

  256. 256
    KRock says:

    Reports of videos circulating showing law enforcement using the butt ends of their assault rifles on protesters.

    This is disgusting if these reports are true! I work in the emergency services and my respect for law enforcement is at all time low.

  257. 257
    KRock says:

    Further reports of protesters having their legs purposely broken by police officers; this is per several truck drivers my brother-in-law ran into at a rest stop, who had apparently left the scene earlier.

  258. 258
    asauber says:

    I’ve always cautioned to not underestimate the mendacity of the people in charge.

    Maybe forgot to caution enough not to underestimate your fellow citizens willingness to throw you under the bus, for even the shallowest of reasons.

    Andrew

  259. 259
    Scamp says:

    Interesting video of the police approaching a trucker locked in his truck. Looks like he will need new windows.
    https://twitter.com/justin_ling/status/1494768253830316046?s=21

  260. 260
    KRock says:

    More reports of police brutality being employed on the protesters. I’m not on Instagram or Tik Tok, but apparently there’s a number of videos circulating these social media platforms.

    What a sad day to be a Canadian, unless you support this sort of tyranny and nazi-like thuggery.

  261. 261
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    The right of protest including civil disobedience in demonstration…

    Just a minor point, but there has never been a right of civil disobedience. It is just something that authorities will often turn a blind eye to.

  262. 262
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    I guess kicking the guy while he is down is remarkable restraint.

    The guy had his arms around another cop, hands too close to the cops gun. That is why I said that the cop was remarkably restrained. I hate to think what an American cop would do in a similar situation.

  263. 263
    KRock says:

    @Scamp

    “Just a minor point, but there has never been a right of civil disobedience. It is just something that authorities will often turn a blind eye to.”

    Turing a blind eye to what, passive non-violent resistance? Right!

  264. 264
    Silver Asiatic says:

    What a sad day to be a Canadian, unless you support this sort of tyranny.

    Inflicting punishment on people before they’ve been convicted of a crime – definitely immoral to say the least. The police are not judge and jury. Violating people’s rights and freedoms will only come back and hurt everyone. When brutality and physical violence take the place of negotiation or discussion then those are the signs of fascism at work.

    Even Nixon attempted to understand the Vietnam war protestors, and ultimately they convinced him to end the war:

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-meets-anti-war-protestors-lincoln-memorial

  265. 265
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    Reports of videos circulating showing law enforcement using the butt ends of their assault rifles on protesters.…

    Further reports of protesters having their legs purposely broken by police officers…

    More reports of police brutality being employed on the protesters

    I have a friend who’s brother’s nephew’s grandfather’s childhood’s sweetheart’s grand niece knows of someone who saw a cop hit a protester.

  266. 266
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Just a minor point, but there has never been a right of civil disobedience. “

    You are referring to Canada ?

    “It is just something that authorities will often turn a blind eye to”

    Yes it’s all about class and minority status just like it is in the USA. If your in the working class forget about it. It’s called “intersectionality”

    Vivid

  267. 267
    KRock says:

    More thuggery by the Ottawa Police. And to quote the one commenter on this video, “I no longer back the blue. They can back themselves.”

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1494742991801618436

  268. 268
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#265)

    “I have a friend who’s brother’s nephew’s grandfather’s childhood’s sweetheart’s grand niece knows of someone who saw a cop hit a protester.”

    Good for you!

  269. 269
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    KRock says:

    This lady is a Canadian hero, at least to those who support the freedom to protest peacefully.

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaGf8nytkLk/?utm_medium=share_sheet

  271. 271
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    You are referring to Canada ?

    Yes. But I assume it is the same in the US.

    Yes it’s all about class and minority status just like it is in the USA. If your in the working class forget about it. It’s called “intersectionality”

    I’m not sure I understand what you are getting at here.

  272. 272
    KRock says:

    It’s odd that the Liberal Government doesn’t seem to care too much about these ongoing violent protests. Then again, maybe it’s not that odd. Double standards I guess.

    https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2130&languageId=1&contentId=73532

  273. 273
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Yes. But I assume it is the same in the US.”

    In the US you have the right to peacefully protest it’s called the 1st amendment.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Vivid

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  275. 275
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Yes it’s all about class and minority status just like it is in the USA. If your in the working class forget about it. It’s called “intersectionality”

    I’m not sure I understand what you are getting at here.”

    Are you up to speed on Critical Race Theory and Kimberly Crenshaws “intersectionality” that deals with power structures, oppressor groups, etc.? This is not a challenge and most people are not up to speed on Crenshaws concepts, I am just asking. I guarantee Trudeau is. At any rate the truckers are at the top of the intersectional ladder which means they oppress all those who are below them. Since they oppress all those below them anything goes like bankrupting them, etc.

    Vivid

  276. 276
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    In the US you have the right to peacefully protest it’s called the 1st amendment.

    Yes, I am aware of this. But that does not mean that civil disobedience is a right. It is a tactic that is often used, often an effective tactic, but everyone involved knows that there are potential personal consequences, and they are willing to risk them.

    These protesters are knowingly breaking laws to make their point. And they are now finding out that they may be paying the consequences. This does not make them heroes. Personally, I believe that most of them have been manipulated into the actions they have taken.

  277. 277
    KRock says:

    Unbelievable. Another video showing police officers assaulting a veteran—another Canadian hero in my books!

    https://www.tiktok.com/@smallbills81/video/7066093348653649157?_t=8PzEEfYKxwj&_r=1

  278. 278
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “These protesters are knowingly breaking laws to make their point. And they are now finding out that they may be paying the consequences. “

    Yes and as you said “It is just something that authorities will often turn a blind eye to”

    And they most certainly would turn a blind eye to it if they were further down the intersectionality ladder. Indeed it would have never progressed this far because Trudeau would have met with them and “taken the knee”

    Vivid

  279. 279
    KRock says:

    @ Vividbleau

    Scamp believes that the breaking of a few City Bylaws warrants this sort of government thuggery. That should tell you all you need to know.

    The current government is also actively seeking to freeze the bank accounts of those who donated to a Canadian approved non-profit crowd funding site. And apparently this newly implemented crime can predate it’s own implementation!

  280. 280
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    Are you up to speed on Critical Race Theory and Kimberly Crenshaws “intersectionality” that deals with power structures, oppressor groups, etc.?

    I am aware of critical race theory but I honestly haven’t given it much thought. My gut tells me that there are some morsels of truth in it but that it is greatly overhyped as an explanation for things seen in society.

  281. 281
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp

    “I am aware of critical race theory but I honestly haven’t given it much thought. My gut tells me that there are some morsels of truth in it but that it is greatly overhyped as an explanation for things seen in society.”

    It is not overhyped it is the meta narrative of our age.

    Here are some excerpts from a letter to a few friends several years ago.

    “Once I came to understand Critical Theory everything became clear. I understand why Van Jones says white people have a virus that others don’t , I mean just wow!! I understand why even though I may not exhibit racist behavior I am a racist just the same, this right out of Kafka. That the more I claim I am not a racist is evidence that I am. I understand why institutions like the fire department or police department can be tagged in its totality as racist. I get it. The reason for this is I have come to understand Critical Theory, an ideology that dominates academia, the media and has been embraced by the culture at large. In many cases by those who are not aware of its ideological underpinnings and agenda.

    Critical theory is the theory of hegemonic culture which is defined as anyone who is white, male, heterosexual, cis gender, native born American, Christian , and other various qualifiers ( the top of the intersectionality ladder) OR identifies with that group regardless of their color. From this theory flows the idea of intersectionality ( those at the top of the ladder oppress those below) and group racist guilt. Critical Theory is more concerned with NARRATIVE rather than TRUTH, the facts don’t matter.

    The Critical Theory I am addressing is of The Frankfurt School of Marxist critics which includes György Lukács, Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse. Marcuse for instance held to among other things that tolerance of views are repressive and he can be called the father of intolerance and the cancel culture.I am being specific here and giving names for a reason, so that you can do your own fact checking.These scholars left Germany in the 30s and after a stop in Switzerland landed in America and taught at Columbia.

    The big picture agenda of the Frankfurt School was to marry Marxian economic theory to Freudian psychoanalytic theory to explain the rise of fascism and put forth the reasons that the communist revolution was not taking place in Western democracies as Marx had predicted. Marx was a historical determinist. The Frankfurt School looked at systems of power in terms of how they exploited and oppressed the working class and more broadly the everyday citizen. One of the goals of the Frankfurt School was to address CULTURAL power. They decided that the reason the communist revolution had not yet been successful in the West is that something in Western culture must be preventing it. The goal of the Frankfurt School was to identify what those issues were and DISMANTLE them. You might stop for a moment and ask yourselves what is the basis of Western culture?
    Western culture is based on The Enlightenment and Judaeo Christian values and principles, the ultimate TARGET of Critical theory is the JUDAEO CHRISTIAN culture and the BIBLE! It’s target also is aimed at classic liberalism. This was one of the reasons I was so dismayed to hear talking points that flow directly from The Frankfurt School and resulting ideology which I will get to in a moment

    Sources:

    Wikipedia The Frankfurt School
    New Discourse Critical Theory
    The Gospel Coalition The Incompatibility of Critical Theory and Christianity
    Https//plato.stanford.edu./entries/critical-theory/
    Felluga, Dino Franco. Critical Theory:The Key Concepts (Routledge Key Guides). Taylor and Francis Kindle Edition
    Neil Shenvi Intro to Critical Theory
    The Gospel Coalition “Important Articles on Critical Theory”
    Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism”

    I would like to now pivot to addressing Critical Race Theory, Critical Social Justice Theory, and White Complicity Theory.

    “Beware lest anyone take you captive through philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the world not to Christ” Col 2:8

    Critical Race Theory:

    Critical Race Theory( CRT) is a sub theory of Critical Theory that questions the very foundation of the liberal order, including equality theory. For instance if you pay attention to words you will notice that proponents of CRT substitute the word “equity” for “equality” two entirely different meanings. CRT also questions legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law. CRT argues that the axis of America social life revolves around race and systemic power, racism permeates everything and must be uncovered using critical methods. Critical race theory explicitly endorses historical revisionism such as the 1619 project or eliminating historical monuments.

    CRT is openly and aggressively anti liberal. Liberal does not mean left wing. A liberal society aims to make sure that everybody is treated equally and works toward a society where barriers are removed that prevents that from happening. CRT views this as nothing more than the existing power structure maintaining its dominance (hegemony). CRT theorists reject color blindness as myths and illusions that allow white people to perpetrate their inherited privilege. CRT rejects Martin Luther King’s position that we should judge people on the content of their character not the color of their skin. CRT does not advocate color blindness but rather diversity narratives ,but not diversity of opinion , equity but not equality, and inclusion. In practice CRT holds that racism is subconscious in many cases.

    Sources:
    Https//plato.stanford.edu.entries/critical-theory/
    New Discourses Critical Race theory
    Cummings, Andre Douglas Pond “ A furious kinship: Critical Race Theory and the Hip Hop Nation
    Delgado, Richard and S,Jean “Critical Race Theory: The Cutting Edge Third Edition
    Payne, Hilrado. “The Role of of Critical Race Theory in Higher Education”
    Applebaum
    Thompson, Sherwood. “Encyclopedia of Diversity and Social Justice
    DiAngelo and Sensoy “White Fragility”
    Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism”

    Critical Social Justice Theory:

    “You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means” Inigo Montoya “Princess Bride”

    From new discourse

    “Social Justice is the ultimate “Trojan Horse”term, where it seems to mean one thing , a good thing, as most people would understand it, which is a more fair and equal society but it actually means something else in Critical Social Justice Theory. That something else is very specific, and most people, if they knew what they were encountering ,would be unlikely to accept. The idea advertised by the phrase “social justice” doesn’t match the ideology and worldview bearing the seemingly identical name.

    This is because the phrase “social justice”, here intentionally left in the lowercase, means something that most people in society can get behind, more fairness, equality, egalitarianism, less bigotry ,discrimination, disenfranchisement and the like. There are very few people today who would say they don’t seek social justice. Any disagreements are about how to achieve it and what it would look like.This is because most people in the West are broadly liberal, in the philosophical and true meaning of the word, not how it is used in American politics.

    On the other hand , “Social Justice”, here intentionally capitalized , means something more specific, it means “Critical Social Justice”. That is, in fact, an ideology that very aggressively pursues the social, cultural ,institutional, and political installation and enforcement of a very specific and radical understanding of social justice as derived from various critical theories. As such they do not necessarily seek to achieve “social justice” in the broad sense, or in the sense that many would assume of the term. Instead they seek to empower and enforce their own particular worldview that revolves around one narrow and authoritative interpretation which is hegemony, result of the processes by which one dominant culture, which is currently the Judaeo Christian, maintains its dominant position. Let me put it this way. If your a classic liberal and embrace Enlightenment principles or if you embrace Judaeo Christian values the mob is coming after you.

    Critical Social Justice theory also does not advocate for equality which they see as an oppressive ideology. Instead it advocates for equity which I have mentioned means something different ie equal outcomes. Equal outcomes are what they mean by diversity as opposed to meritocracy.

    Nor does it tolerate diversity of opinion. The enforcement of the meta narrative uses what is termed “canceling “or “cancel culture” to enforce conformity of thought. Last week alone we have seen the canceling of movies, TV shows and approximately seven editors of major media organizations canceled.The editor of the New York Times had to step down for allowing an op ed piece that went against the predominant meta narrative. A college football coach had to apologize for wearing the wrong shirt. American history is being cancelled, monuments are being torn down. One apology is never enough. An this is just the tip of the iceberg and is escalating. You cannot replace a culture without erasing its history.

    Critical Social Justice Theory demands acknowledgement of white complicity as a first step, a necessary albeit not a sufficient step , as a requirement of challenging systemic racial oppression. This complicity arises from the nature of “white privilege”, which white people benefit from whether they want to or not.

    In other words based on ones color, without any evidence, one is accused of something based on the color of their skin, the opposite of MLKs position. I can think of nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals. Just last week Webster changed the classic historical definition to one more suitable to Critical Social Justice Theory which in a nut shell is that if you are white or “think white” you are a priori a racist because you are white or think white. For instance “thinking white”,whatever that is, creates an open season on any African American and opens them up to the most vile epithets, slurs and slanders because they are identifying with the current hegemonic culture. They are often portrayed as not being black or not being black enough. Thus you have racism without a racist.

    In short for the Critical Social Justice advocates the whole system is rotten to the core, it is “systemic” and we must dismantle the “systemic” dominant culture, which is the Judaeo Christian culture with a new secular one.This is why a certain dominate player and strong advocate of Critical Race and Social Justice theory (BLM) states on their web page statement of beliefs “we are dedicated to transgender rights and the disruption of the classic Western nuclear family”. From what book is the Western nuclear family derived ? Critical Social Justice Theory as distinguished from true social justice, wants cultural revolution not reform.

    Sources:

    Sensory, Ozlem, and Robert DiAngelo “Is everyone really equal?” An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education, first edition. Teachers College Press:New York, p.xviii
    Adams, M.,et al (2016). Teaching For Diversity and Social Justice. New York: Routledge. P.1
    Bell, L., (2013) Theoretical foundations. In M. Adams, W.J.Blumenfeld, C. Castaneda,,H.W Hackman, M.L,,Peters, and X. Zuniga. (EDS), Readings for diversity and social justice. New York: Routledge
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    The Gospel Coalition “ Social Justice, Critical Theory ,and Christianity : Are They Compatible
    Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism”

    Whiteness ComplicityTheory:

    The white complicity claim echos the claims made by Critical Social Justice theorists which maintains that white peoples, through the practices of whiteness and by benefiting from white privilege, contribute to the maintenance of systemic racial injustice, the failure to acknowledge such complicity will thwart whites to dismantle unjust racial systems.

    Recognizing that one is complicit is a necessary, albeit not sufficient, condition of challenging systemic racial oppression. Most significantly, since the white complicity claimant presumes that racism is often perpetrated through well intended white peoples, being morally good may not facilitate and may even frustrate the recognition of such responsibility. White complicity is the claim that white people can reproduce and maintain racist practices even when, especially when, they believe themselves to be morally good. People who think they are morally good and think they are not racist are the most deceived and are the major problem.

    The white complicity claimants maintains that all whites are complicit in systemic racial injustice. This takes the form of “all whites are racists”. When white complicity takes the latter configuration “all whites are racist” what is implied is not that all whites are consciously racially prejudiced, rather that all whites participate in and, often unwittingly , maintain the racist system of which therefore they are part of and from which they benefit.Thus white complicity is the idea that all white people, regardless of their intentions, are complicit in racism and white supremacy and thus bear some responsibility for it.”

    Silence is not an option in White Complicity Theory, everyone must bow the knee. If not done, one’s silence is proof of one’s racism (Kafka again). This is stuff right out of Solzhenitsyn’s experiences and what he wrote about in “The Gulag Archipelago”.White complicity carries a responsibility to identify, analyze, and challenge a system of racism and one’s participation in it continually, and you are never done. Let me repeat, you are never done because if you are white there is nothing you can do about your whiteness. This is frightfully reminiscent of the so called “struggle sessions” in communist China which resulted in the death of untold millions. “

    Vivid

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    Scamp says:

    Vivid@281. Thanks. Interesting read.

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    A group that includes former Pfizer vice president Dr. Michael Yeadon filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court (ICC) on behalf of UK citizens against Boris Johnson and UK officials, Bill and Melinda Gates, chief executives of Big Pharma companies, World Economic Forum executive chairman Klaus Schwab, and others for crimes against humanity.

  284. 284
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “For instance “thinking white”,whatever that is, creates an open season on any African American and opens them up to the most vile epithets, slurs and slanders because they are identifying with the current hegemonic culture. They are often portrayed as not being black or not being black enough. Thus you have racism without a racist.”

    I will get of my horse but remember when Biden said If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black? This is why. Also pay attention to todays emphasis by the political class on “equity” not equality. Critical theory and it’s sub theories are the dominant worldview embraced by the political class ( not all certainly) in the US and Canada. Once I understood it everything for me started to make sense. It was my road to Damascus moment.

    I am glad you at least thought it was an interesting read, thank you.

    Vivid

  285. 285
    KRock says:

    Video showing peaceful protesters being trampled by law enforcement personal on horses. Reports are that one individual was seriously injured in the incident. For those wondering, this is taking place right here in Canada. Very disturbing indeed.

    https://twitter.com/kiansimone44/status/1494811647453450240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1494811647453450240%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fworld%2Fcanadian-clergy-rebuke-trudeau-invoking-emergencies-act-other-tyrannical-actions

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    KRock says:

    Unconfirmed reports but I’m hearing that one of the ladies trampled by law enforcement on horses in Ottawa today has died.

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    Querius says:

    Here you go, KRock . . .

    The New Canada Tramples more than Canadian Charter Rights
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1494808224008179714

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    KRock @279,

    The current government is also actively seeking to freeze the bank accounts of those who donated to a Canadian approved non-profit crowd funding site. And apparently this newly implemented crime can predate it’s own implementation!

    This is called an ex post facto law. It criminalizes legal behavior such as peaceful protests and donations to approved charities AFTER THE FACT.

    What’s legal now can be prosecuted later because “we’re the government now and you’re not.”

    Have a nice life, Scamp. At some point in the future, you might get arrested for your “white supremacist” martinis or taking a cruise. You never can be sure anymore . . .

    -Q

  290. 290
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @281,

    Great post–thanks for taking the time! It reminds me of Thomas Sowell when he described the quest for “Cosmic Justice” — self-righteous humans acting as gods and imposing arbitrary karmic justice on people regardless of whether they personally had anything to do with the perceived injustice.

    First it’s relativism to suppress Judea-Christian values, and then relativism gives way to absolutism again, but this time it’s MARXIST and settled beyond debate.

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    And now Trudeau will undoubtedly use his powers against the “terrorist” clergy and freeze their bank accounts and those of their churches!

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-clergy-rebuke-trudeau-invoking-emergencies-act-other-tyrannical-actions

    -Q

  292. 292
    jerry says:

    From AmerIca’s newspaper of record.

    Royal Mounties Arrest Child Playing With Toy Semi-Truck

    https://babylonbee.com/news/royal-mounties-arrest-child-playing-with-toy-semi-truck

    Canadian ATMs Now Asking Your Political Views Before Allowing You To Withdraw Money

    https://babylonbee.com/news/canadian-atms-now-asking-your-political-views-before-allowing-you-to-withdraw-money

  293. 293
    Querius says:

    Speaking of using humans as “lab rats,” let’s consider The Nuremberg Code.

    On December 9, 1946, an American military tribunal opened criminal proceedings against 23 leading German physicians and administrators for their willing participation in war crimes and crimes against humanity. This case is known as the “Doctors Trial” (USA v. Karl Brandt et. al). On August 19, 1947, the judges of the tribunal delivered their verdict. But before announcing the guilt or innocence of each defendant, they confronted the difficult question of medical experimentation on human beings.

    Nuremberg established that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts for using human test subjects for medical experiments:

    1. The voluntary [i.e. uncoerced] consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

    2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

    3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

    4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

    5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

    6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

    7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

    8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

    9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

    10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probably cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

    But these ten points weren’t merely philosophical or aspiration statements . . .

    After almost 140 days of proceedings, including the testimony of 85 witnesses and the submission of almost 1,500 documents, the American judges pronounced their verdict on August 20, 1947. Sixteen of the doctors were found guilty. Seven were sentenced to death. They were hanged on June 2, 1948.

    Something for doctors and medical researchers to bear in mind even when just following orders.

    -Q

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    KRock says:

    This is different angle of the lady being trampled by law enforcement today. The Ottawa Police tried to claim earlier that a bike was thrown at the horse. However, the multiple videos and pictures that are available indicate otherwise.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CaJGs9MsCCi/?utm_medium=share_sheet

  295. 295
    KRock says:

    @Querius (#288)

    Thanks for the video link, Q.

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    vividbleau says:

    Querius

    Thanks for the compliments.

    “This is called an ex post facto law. It criminalizes legal behavior such as peaceful protests and donations to approved charities AFTER THE FACT.

    What’s legal now can be prosecuted later because “we’re the government now and you’re not.”

    Have a nice life, Scamp. At some point in the future, you might get arrested for your “white supremacist” martinis or taking a cruise. You never can be sure anymore . .”

    Sheep to the slaughter!

    Honestly I can understand where Scamp is coming from as it relates to the truckers although I disagree. What I can’t understand is how the Canadian people are not in a state of revolt over the Government’s brutal, tyrannical crackdown on civil liberties.

    As I pointed out in 281

    “Let me put it this way. If your a classic liberal and embrace Enlightenment principles or if you embrace Judaeo Christian values the mob is coming after you.”

    Do the Canadians like Scamp think these outrageous totalitarian measures are going to be limited to the truckers in the future if left unchecked ? Are they that naïve?

    BTW I could and have said the same things about Americans.

    Vivid

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    kairosfocus says:

    Vivid, 281 is headlined

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    kairosfocus says:

    Trampling a peaceful crowd now . . . cue the Floyd protests in 3, 2, 1 . . . NOT.

    This is instantly a gross violation of sound policing, and a known threat to life, health and limb.

    Have the Canadian officialdom pondered what happens when fatal disaffection sets in?

    KF

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    KRock says:

    Bravo to the truckers and their supporters for standing up against a tyrannical liberal government. The protest was beautifully put together. And despite the demonization and slandering of the convoy by the government, the legacy media, and people such as Scamp, they were able to show the entire world how to conduct a peaceful protest with grace and love. Well done! I have the upmost respect for these brave men and women.

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    Scamp says:

    A few other clips from the occupation.

    Assaulting a reporter.
    https://twitter.com/davidwcochrane/status/1494882873651904512?s=21

    Putting children at risk.
    https://twitter.com/ctvottawa/status/1494997758704590854?s=21

    Citizens preventing protesters from returning.
    https://twitter.com/timmcsorley/status/1492900515247800324?s=21

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    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#302)

    I think I yawned somewhere in there! That one video of the so-called real community was good. All 30 of them were really representing the City of Ottawa. Oh, and that still picture of a child—somewhere in Ottawa—was incredibly revealing. My personal favourite, though, was the video of the police trampling protesters with their horses. Oh wait, you didn’t include that link.

  305. 305
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    The police showing their respect for the truckers. Quite telling.

    And I’m sure the Ottawa police would have been respectful if the Ottawa truckers had obeyed court orders and left on their own accord. But they opted to pretend that they were above the law.

    It is amazing that there have been no serious injuries yet. That is a testament to the professionalism of the police.

    All those arrested will be out on bail within a day and can return home.

  306. 306
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#305)

    “And I’m sure the Ottawa police would have been respectful if the Ottawa truckers had obeyed court orders and left on their own accord. But they opted to pretend that they were above the law.”

    I think anyone who sympathizes with the BLM movement would strongly disagree with your sentiment. But hey, you’re entitled to your own opinion.

    “It is amazing that there have been no serious injuries yet. That is a testament to the professionalism of the police.”

    I could just as easily say that it’s a testament to the protesters peaceful resolve and the inability of the police to goad them into using violence.

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    Scamp says:

    What idiot would bring their children to this knowing what is happening?
    https://twitter.com/vangoesboom/status/1495098812230160384?s=21

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    Querius says:

    KRock @303, 307

    According to some reports, the Canadian police that showed respect for the Truckers have apparently been suspended. I guess such behavior is unbecoming for the Canadian Gestapo leadership.

    However, this is worth watching, but needs to be confirmed:
    Canadian Police Catch, Arrest, and Release
    https://youtu.be/mawq4KpTsxI

    From your link, the long batons the Canadian police used on the reporter are bone breakers and can easily kill someone with a shot to the head or back of the neck. A shot to the face can crush the bones of the sinus cavities. Shooting a person point blank with a gas canister would be considered assault with a deadly weapon if the roles were reversed.

    -Q

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    KRock @ 301 – fully agreed. They’ve inspired people across the entire world.
    I think of the Polish solidarity movement – workers opposing Communist authorities.
    Amazingly, there were common people who sided with the Communists even back then. But they were not the heroes of the story.
    “We’re tolerant, inclusive, compassionate and we listen to diverse voices. We seek to discuss, dialogue, understand and arrive at mutually beneficial solutions, especially for those who feel oppressed. We understand that people have different needs and should be treated with attention and sympathy.” — that’s the leftist talking point which has been exposed as a lie.

  311. 311
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @296,

    Honestly I can understand where Scamp is coming from as it relates to the truckers although I disagree.

    Yes, same here.

    What I can’t understand is how the Canadian people are not in a state of revolt over the Government’s brutal, tyrannical crackdown on civil liberties.

    Most people simply want to live their lives in relative peace. When a government slowly but relentlessly becomes more and more oppressive, there will come a point where the people will revolt.
    Joseph Stalin knew this as well, which is why he engineered a fake famine there in 1932, starving millions of Ukrainian people. See Viktor Kravchenko’s book, I Chose Freedom. Kravchenko (1905-1966) was a Ukrainian-born communist, expert in metallurgy, a Captain in the Red Army, and later was a Soviet official associated with the U.S. Lend Lease program. He defected to the U.S. in 1944.

    Do the Canadians like Scamp think these outrageous totalitarian measures are going to be limited to the truckers in the future if left unchecked? Are they that naïve?

    Yes and yes. See what Canadian police are now doing to Canadian skiers:
    https://youtu.be/_ucQLzyxFuw

    How charming.

    BTW I could and have said the same things about Americans.

    Indeed. Except U.S. police often tend to shoot first. BTW, I’m not anti-police, but they need to make some significant changes here, which their leadership is unwilling to do.

    If Scamp didn’t wear a mask on his cruise, he may now be subject to arrest and fines . . .
    And if by chance he is indeed arrested, I’m pretty sure that he’ll tell us that he was really stupid and will try much harder to be more attentive to all new and anticipated Canadian government regulations.

    -Q

  312. 312
    jerry says:

    In Sweden C19 is now a common cold. In Canada it’s a national emergency.

    https://sebastianrushworth.com/2022/02/04/covid-officially-over-in-sweden/

    Given a choice where would you pick to live. Remember Sweden has some good ice hockey teams.

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    Querius says:

    Silver Asiatic @310,

    They’ve inspired people across the entire world.

    Isn’t this an “amazing coincidence”? The totalitarian power grab seems to be worldwide.

    Why?

    Here are three possibilities (my view is in parentheses):

    a. Bureaucratic Opportunism (plausible)
    b. Political Opportunism. (very likely)
    c. Conspiracy. (possible, but unlikely)
    d. Demonic Activity. (definitely–the world is going crazy!)
    e. Coincidence. (ridiculous)

    Why do I consider d. as “definitely”? Am I going crazy, too? No, it’s based on the biblical concept of the “god of this world” as the primary actor with the following restrictions:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

    This is also why I’ve never contributed to any political party or politically oriented church and will never do so.

    -Q

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    KRock says:

    @Jerry (#312)

    Not in Canada under the current fascist government. Maybe a few of the western provinces will relook at separating from the rest of the country—that would be the most ideal situation for my family. Trudeau has single handedly destroyed this country, in my opinion anyway; he’s done this by dividing Canadians and by slandering anyone who doesn’t fall inline with his alt-left ideologies. It’s certainly not the Canada that I remember growing up. Personally, I see no difference between Trudeau and Hitler. Although Trudeau may not be putting people in gas chambers (yet), he is waging a social genocide on those he considers to be a threat to his rule. And, if you’ve ever wondered what type of people would have ratted out Jews in hiding during the Second World War, you need not look any further, for example, then the comment sections on the CBC’ website.

  315. 315
    Querius says:

    Jerry @312,

    Thanks for the great link! Yes, Sweden is definitely a fun place to visit and not just for hockey by any means. The only place in Canada that I got to visit was Toronto, which is probably not that representative of Canada (let me know whether I’m wrong).

    After what I’ve seen of the Canadian police, I don’t think I’ll make any plans to visit Canada in the future. When I visited Canada last, I was surprised when I got pulled aside and interrogated by a Canadian customs agent for about an hour (he tried, but couldn’t find anything wrong). A relative of mine had a similar experience. Again, this is probably not representative, but why take chances?

    -Q

  316. 316
    KRock says:

    @ Querius (#309)

    I did hear that as well, but haven’t been able to confirm whether it’s true. Some friends of mine who were Downtown Ottawa last night were telling me that some of the police officers were awful, often trying to taunt the protesters or goad them into confrontations. They did say, though, that many of these officers were NOT from the Ottawa Police Department, but were from other municipalities within the province.

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    KRock says:

    Unbelievable! It’s shocking that there are commentators on this thread who support this sort of police brutality.

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaK3jZkjGoK/?utm_medium=share_sheet

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    jerry says:

    Big Brother is watching you in Canada. Or in this case it’s Big Sister.

    Canadian police are now monitoring their citizens’ social media activities: Ontario police visited a woman’s home after she commented on an anti mandate protest on Facebook

    https://techstartups.com/2022/02/11/canadian-police-now-monitoring-citizens-social-media-activities-ontario-police-visited-womans-home-commented-anti-mandate-protest-facebook/

    This is from an article over a week ago.

  320. 320
    Querius says:

    Scamp @308,

    What idiot would bring their children to this knowing what is happening?

    Absolutely right. It’s complete idiocy to allow children anywhere near the Canadian police nowadays!

    -Q

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    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Saint Bill Gates prophecying:
    Bill Gates says Covid risks have ‘dramatically reduced’ but another pandemic is coming.
    In the past he predicted future events with 100% accuracy(covid included) . Move along , nothing to see here.

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    Querius @320
    Yes. I was going to say something similar. What idiot would allow their children to walk on a Canadian street?
    I’ve visited Canada many times in my life – spent a good amount of time there and have been grateful for several Canadian friends. The reputation for courtesy, niceness and consideration is well deserved among those I know. The cities and towns are friendly and peaceful, as it seems.
    But there’s the darkness under the surface. Jordan Peterson exposed it. O’Leary @ News has done the same for many years.
    Then we see this violence and brutality breaking out in the capital city. The injustice against a minority group, while favored groups can get away with all sorts of things.

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    Scamp says:

    For those who support the protesters and oppose the police action I just have one question.

    If hundreds of trucks and protesters arrived on the street you lived, stayed for weeks, pitched tents, erected structures, played loud music at all hours, set up hot tubs, got drunk, honked their horn at all hours, blocked your ability to get to and from your home, made it impossible for your employees to get to work, harassed you if you wore a mask or insisted that people entering your business wear a mask, and openly broke municipal, provincial and federal laws, would you still say that they have a right to do so?

    Forgive me in advance for not believing anyone who says that they would support their “right” to continue on.

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    toaster_repairman_phd says:

    There is clearly no pandemic.
    There are simple and rational explanations for excess deaths without inference to some novel boogeyman/Frankenstein virus.

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    Querius says:

    Scamp @323,

    Yep.

    And we’d bring out food and join their freedom party!

    Here’s the one in Italy–I love it!!!
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1495097195225403399

    Unlike the protests here in the U.S. there would be no firebombs, screaming hate, looting without consequences, and the media reporting it as “mostly peaceful.”

    Our government is supposed to be “of the people, by the people, and for the people,” as Abraham Lincoln famously said. Currently, it seems more like “of the Marxist elite, by the Civil Service, and for the favored rich.”

    -Q

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    vividbleau says:

    Scamp re 323

    First I want to restate that although I don’t agree with you about the truckers your position from my perspective is not unreasonable. However because I have taken the red pill after recognizing that because of the media, academia , Critical theory, and virtually every major government agency on the planet I recognize I am swimming in a sea of lies and you are swimming in the same.

    Assuming all you say is true, and some of it most certainly is , once the tyrannical decrees from your fascist government were imposed I would be marching in the streets alongside the truckers because I have the common sense to know that if they could do all this to them they could do it to me and believe me unless checked they will.

    I would also put 80% of the blame on your government. Here is a couple of questions for you. Replace BLM for the truckers would the response be the same? Another question why are certain groups exempt from your government’s tyrannical decrees based on ethnicity etc?

    Vivid

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    Seversky says:

    Just what exactly are these great freedoms demanded by the truckers? The freedom to not be vaccinated and freedom from a government requirement that they get vaccinated. In other words they want the freedom to spread a disease without being required to take reasonable precautions.

    I don’t hear a peep about the right of their fellow citizens not to be put at undue risk of infection because truckers can’t be bothered to get their shots.

    As for the comparison with BLM, black people have suffered centuries of the most appalling oppression, including mass race riots that razed whole communities, a huge number of lynchings, rapes and murders and brutality at the hands of a police force that, in theory, is there to “protect and serve” them. What that actually meant – and probably still does – is the chance of a black person getting justice at the hands of the legal system in some states is in the region of snowball-in-hell. And the truckers have taken to the streets because they’re being required to wear masks and get vaccinated against a pandemic that has now killed more Americans that WWI, WW2 and the Vietnam war combined. My heart bleeds.

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    Querius says:

    Seversky @326,

    Why don’t you do your own research and find out from what the truckers actually said? You can let us know here when you do.

    -Q

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    vividbleau says:

    Q
    “Why don’t you do your own research and find out from what the truckers actually said? You can let us know here when you do.”

    Sev only is capable of spouting propaganda he truly is the definition of brainwashed. I just ignore him/she.

    Vivid

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    vividbleau says:

    Q
    “Why don’t you do your own research and find out from what the truckers actually said? You can let us know here when you do.”

    Sev only is capable of spouting propaganda he truly is the definition of brainwashed. I just ignore him/she. Sev in another time would be wearing jackboots.

    Vivid

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    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Let’s note, duly:

    https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-police-horses-trample-demonstrators-at-freedom-convoy-protest-in-ottawa

    urns out the lasting image of the Freedom Convoy protest at Parliament Hill will not be bouncy castles but that of a woman with a walker being trampled by a police horse.
    Article content

    The violence the Prime Minister has expressed concern about during the three-week protest in Ottawa didn’t unfold until Justin Trudeau’s Emergencies Act police army was sent in to disperse the crowd.

    The three major incidents Friday, under a form of martial law, were grotesque.

    Video of Toronto Police Mounted Unit officers charging into the crowd and at least one horse trampling multiple people — including an elderly woman with a walker — was disturbing.

    Article content

    But that was not the only troubling incident.

    Another saw a protester behind a police line repeatedly being smashed with an officer’s rifle.

    And convoy organizer Benjamin Dichter also told the Toronto Sun “one of drivers had his truck windows smashed by Ottawa Police (with) guns drawn and (he was) dragged out of his vehicle by force” . . . .

    Ottawa cops have tweeted no protesters or police were seriously injured on Friday.

    It may have looked like a police state Friday. But it’s not one. That said, the Trudeau government had already obscenely used blunt force by deputizing Canada’s banks to freeze the accounts of protesters and threatening to cancel their licences, insurance and even take away their pets and children.

    No matter how it’s spun at the end of the day, a majority of these protesters merely didn’t want to take a vaccine, parked illegally, honked their horns and disobeyed Trudeau. It’s not enough to hurt them.

    Not good at all.

    If the woman in the walker was not seriously hurt, that was no fault of the police who marched a troop of horses into a crowd not doing riot things. I doubt that can responsibly be justified.

    If someone was hit with rifle butt, that is a potentially serious or fatal injury all by itself.

    Something is wrong with this policing.

    Added, I see, some details and additional issues are updates in OP, at its top.

    Note the photo from above of the trampling incident.

    KF

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    Querius says:

    The Canadian police apparently have started shooting rubber bullets into the crowd in Ottawa.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VenR-nFJ2RE

    Justin Trudeau apparently has suspended the Canadian Parliament:
    https://youtu.be/lC4tlUkAP6o

    -Q

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, the false dichotomy between a train of experimental jabs that have serious questions and you antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers fails. For over a year and a half there has been a growing list of effective treatment options suppressed by officialdom, which is telling i/l/o cases where populations have evidently responded well to treatments. That’s not anecdote and its not sample; it is comparable to a census. That means there is a very different balance of responsibility than the usual talk points suggest, notice how many duly vaxxed and boosted have got sick in Israel and the degree to which they are present in adverse outcomes as these are non sterilising vaccines. The whole narrative frame is doubtful, and on this line, we are going to see for cause growing disaffection and mistrust for those speaking the voice of officialdom and official science. it is high time for a rethink. KF

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    Scamp says:

    Querius and Vivid, forgive me if I doubt that you would be that accepting.

    But remember, I have always said that I don’t disagree with all of the protesters’ concerns and objections, just with their tactics. Even if a person’s objectives and goals are 100% commendable, their approach to obtain them can be wrong. For example, I think we all would agree that we would like to see the end of genetic diseases. But I don’t know anyone who would support selective breeding, sterilizations and forced termination of pregnancies to achieve this goal, even though it may be effective.

  335. 335
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    The Canadian police apparently have started shooting rubber bullets into the crowd in Ottawa.

    I watched the entire video and there was nothing suggesting the use of rubber bullets.

  336. 336
    vividbleau says:

    KF

    The double vaxed and I would assume boostered and masked US surgeon General has contracted Covid.

    Vivid

  337. 337
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Querius and Vivid, forgive me if I doubt that you would be that accepting”

    Actually I think I would. Fighting totalitarianism and facism is a pretty big deal for me.

    Would you answer my questions I asked in 325 ? Thanks

    Vivid

  338. 338
    kairosfocus says:

    Ottawa Police statement in a Tweet:

    https://twitter.com/OttawaPolice/status/1494874686181810176

    Please note: No one has been seriously injured or passed away in any of today’s police actions. Safety is our priority.

    The use of horses in that manner and context is manifestly unsafe and dangerous, so what else is it that we cannot respect or give credibility to?

    KF

  339. 339
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @336,

    Actually I think I would.

    Yeah, and me too!

    Canadians have been suppressed and lied to until their patience has run out. The result is non-violent but can no longer be ignored by their Fascist government.

    Canadian protesters are smart and civil, keeping their massive protest annoying but non-violent. In contrast, violence now seems to be the only recourse by the Canadian authorities. Shame on them!

    As Peter Sloly wisely noted before he was forced to resign, this is NOT a policing solution.

    I deeply respect the Canadians for their not imitating U.S. protesters who resorted to torching numerous buildings, breaking windows and looting, heaving volleys of bricks and bottles, and using laser pointers to permanently blind our police.

    Antifa in particular organized themselves into rows, each with a different mission. For example, the front row engaged the police in verbal abuse, the second row dragged individuals undergoing arrest back to safety in the crowd, while the rear ranks obtained projectiles and rained this “artillery” onto the police, often making them retreat with casualties. The U.S. protesters had shields like the police and the whole affair smacked of a pre-medieval battle. What’s happening now in Canada is fundamentally different!

    -Q

  340. 340
  341. 341
    Querius says:

    Police Horse Open Rein Attack on Protesters
    https://youtu.be/hMgErgv_wrs

    According to an expert trainer, several equestrian police deliberately attacked the non-violent protesters with deadly force. If the second person, the man, did indeed die from being trampled as alleged, then this policeman should be tried for murder.

    -Q

  342. 342
    vividbleau says:

    Ottawa Police Chief says even if protesters “retreat and go home”, they’ll be hunted and punished.

    https://twitter.com/ozraeliavi/status/1495163814412951552?s=21

    Vivid

  343. 343
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @231,

    Ottawa Police Chief says even if protesters “retreat and go home”, they’ll be hunted and punished.

    Wow, I’m very sorry to hear about such an intransigent and tyrannical response!

    When in power, you don’t say such things to people who feel they have nothing to lose. Instead, you lie to them as usual.

    Reminds me that this sort of thing has happened before . . . in England . . . in 1381 . . . involving a young king, a plague, burdensome regulations and taxes, building frustration in the peasantry, and then a triggering event! And young King Richard II of Trudeau hid in the Tower of London until it was over.

    Ok, maybe the “of Trudea” was poetic license, but there were other important parallels.

    Here’s a fascinating documentary on the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381:
    https://youtu.be/4kq9sbtFCR8

    The lessons were not learned, of course.

    -Q

  344. 344
    vividbleau says:

    Hitlers enabling act, alarm bells should be going off in Canada
    https://twitter.com/mauricekoks/status/1495244573119062020?s=21

  345. 345
    kairosfocus says:

    Vivid, and elsewhere. KF

  346. 346
    vividbleau says:

    KF

    For sure although I have not given up on the Canadians. If Tuedeau keeps this crap up I don’t see Canadians going quietly into the night

    Vivid

  347. 347
  348. 348
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    The use of horses in that manner and context is manifestly unsafe and dangerous, so what else is it that we cannot respect or give credibility to?

    The use of occupation tactics is manifestly unsafe and dangerous. When police decide to disperse crowds there are always risk of injury, totally dependent on the intransigence of the protesters.

    Horses have been used for crowd control for decades with very few incidents. The horses are trained not to step on anyone, as was made clear here.

    The use of horses by police in Canada has a long tradition. In fact, our federal police force, the RCMP are commonly referred to as Mounties.

  349. 349
    Scamp says:

    Apparently the streets of Ottawa are now quiet. Hopefully it continues and people can regain the freedom that was taken away from them by the occupation.

  350. 350
    Scamp says:

    This from Tamara Lich’s husband during her bail hearing.

    “Honestly? I thought it was a peaceful protest and based on my first amendment, I thought that was part of our rights,” he told the court.

    Tamara Lich was one of the organizers and was one of those who set up the go fund me campaign.

    And, to make matters worse, she was forced to wear a mask in court.

  351. 351
    Scamp says:

    And the ruling on Tamara Lich’s bail hearing has been delayed for a couple days because of uncertainty over whether she can cover the surety.

  352. 352
    Seversky says:

    There was a piece on NPR about a journalistic investigation into the funding and support accounts for the convoy springing up on Facebook. Several of them traced back to one woman in Missouri who had no obvious connection to what was going on and it turned out her account had been hacked. Other accounts traced back to a marketing firm in Bangladesh of all places.

  353. 353
    Scamp says:

    Report on the number of injuries.

    Ottawa paramedics say since Friday, 21 people have been transported to hospital from the secured area of the downtown with non-life threatening injuries, although no fatalities have been recorded.

    Although it doesn’t say, I assume the injuries are all of protest. Given the number of protesters and the opposition they gave the police, it could have been much worse.

  354. 354
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#348)

    “Apparently the streets of Ottawa are now quiet. Hopefully it continues and people can regain the freedom that was taken away from them by the occupation.”

    You really are pathetic.

  355. 355
    KRock says:

    @Scamp

    “The use of horses by police in Canada has a long tradition. In fact, our federal police force, the RCMP are commonly referred to as Mounties.”

    Trampling protesters with horses has never a long-standing tradition of the mounties; it’s a recent develop!

  356. 356
    KRock says:

    Hopefully this continues to trend. Indeed, the the name is very befitting!

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/blackfacehitler-trends-as-justin-trudeaus-government-cracks-down-on-truckers

  357. 357
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “And the ruling on Tamara Lich’s bail hearing has been delayed for a couple days because of uncertainty over whether she can cover the surety.”

    Might be a bit hard if her bank account has been seized which I hope has not happened

    Vivid

  358. 358
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, it is obvious you have not seriously examined the vids and pictures. These were large horses and their use in a crowded situation like that was an invitation to tragedy. Period. Inexcusable, whoever was in charge needs to be before a tribunal if not a court if anyone suffered injury or worse, and injury at minimum is likely. Blaming the victim is an old, utterly telling tactic. I am pretty sure were those trampled or at risk of same black people, we would have had a very different reaction as was seen some months ago. KF

    PS: Scroll up to OP and tell us that it’s our lying eyes, if you dare.

  359. 359
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    You really are pathetic.

    Because I believe that people should be able to live in a neighbourhood without being constantly harassed by people illegally camping out, honking their horns, drinking, playing loud music and yelling at you if you choose to wear a mask?

  360. 360
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    Might be a bit hard if her bank account has been seized which I hope has not happened

    Given that her husband flew to Ottawa on a private jet, I don’t think there will be a problem.

  361. 361
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, it is obvious you have not seriously examined the vids and pictures.

    Actually I have. And there is no indication that either of the people on the ground were touched by the horse’s hooves. In fact, the horse took great effort to avoid hitting the women with its hooves. I also noticed that it didn’t take long for someone on this site to state that she had died. And that the second person had died. When, in fact, the extend of the injury was a bruised shoulder.

    Also, if you look at the videos you will notice that the horses were directed to a gap in the crowd. But then the crowd intentionally (or were pushed) stepped in front of the horses.

    When this is all over there will be a review of all of the claimed incidents it may result in some disciplinary actions, or it may not.

    But what is irrefutable is that the protesters were given many opportunities, over many days, to leave. They made the decision not to. This decision created a potentially dangerous situation. This is not a “blame the victim” card because they are not victims.

  362. 362
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Given that her husband flew to Ottawa on a private jet, I don’t think there will be a problem.”

    A private jet and they don’t have enough surety? That seems weird to me.

    How does one find out how many arrests have been made, how many people were jailed, how many have been released?

    Vivid

  363. 363
    Querius says:

    Uh oh . . . more protests and honking.

    Calgary
    https://youtu.be/-fX0x8M0hPs

    Quebec
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGrJ3GTmQ0I

    Victoria
    https://youtu.be/PMUwir4tRmQ

    Okanagan
    https://youtu.be/TYTTjJGANKY

    Surray
    https://youtu.be/dpGFLqZfFH8

    UN planes in Canada supplying troops to help crush the protests?
    https://youtu.be/9uiFXg42ss4

    Videos from Ottawa showed troops wearing olive drab riot gear without insignias. They first appear about 30 minutes from the beginning of this live stream:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYVogGFF5A8

    Anyone know who they belong to? Are they even Canadian?

    -Q

  364. 364
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    A private jet and they don’t have enough surety? That seems weird to me.

    Apparently it was provided to him. She claims she has no money but there is nothing stopping someone else from putting up the surety.

    How does one find out how many arrests have been made, how many people were jailed, how many have been released?

    The charges and bail hearings are public information. As well, the police have been posting the number of charges.

  365. 365
    Querius says:

    Here’s what Canadian police should do to protect Canadian Charter rights:
    https://youtu.be/EBSs4sn98Wc

    Wow! These police are there for the people–to serve and protect them from criminals of all kinds!

    -Q

  366. 366
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “Apparently it was provided to him. She claims she has no money but there is nothing stopping someone else from putting up the surety.”

    Good point, they can always set up a go fund me account, oops sorry that’s not available to them. Maybe go send me . Oops can’t do that either. I am sure someone will come up with it but they only risk being put on a terrorist list, their bank accounts frozen and then being “hunted down and punished”

    BTW I I did read that one of the leaders has been released on bail

    Vivid

  367. 367
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#358)

    No, because of your ignorance and your continued attempts to distort the facts! You’ve tried desperately to slander the image of these protesters on this thread, and to no avail. In case you haven’t noticed, nobody on here is buying what you’re selling. To suggest that the citizens of Ottawa lost their freedoms is both despicable and a testament to just how tone-deaf you must be. The only people who’ve lost their freedoms are the protesters themselves. And for what, parking their trucks and peacefully protesting asinine government mandates?! Curious, have any of counter-protesters had their accounts frozen? I didn’t think so.

    Despite what you may have us all believe, many people in Ottawa actually support the truckers and the right they have to assemble peacefully. I know this, because like yourself, I’m also from Ottawa.

  368. 368
    KRock says:

    For those interested in the facts. It seems that some people within law enforcement believe that excessive force may have been used after all—go figure. Don’t tell Scamp, though, he believes it was all a misunderstanding.

    P.S. I never stated she died, Scamp, I said there were unconfirmed reports she had, and indeed there were.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/siu-investigating-incidents-involving-police-horse-projectiles-fired-during-ottawa-protest-operation-1.5788900?cid=sm:trueanthem:cp24:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1GJdVexcLmw2QAHPtoSei7QrTXr2rE70KRDXyc0j_PKDJ4UXYu3rtBzXo

  369. 369
    vividbleau says:

    KRock

    These are the owners of #IconicCafe Enrico and Deborah Kuhn. They have been open for business during the #freedomconvoy22. Now they want to put them in jail for serving the truckers. They said they will not give in, what they do is for their country and freedom all over the world

    https://twitter.com/ranting4canada/status/1495471835420450816?s=21

    Vivid

  370. 370
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, you just discredited yourself. First, EVEN OF THE HORSES MISSED THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, THE ACTION WAS MANIFESTLY DANGEROUS AND INEXCUSABLE. Tort, negligence capable of causing grave bodily harm or death. Second, the video shows an infirm woman knocked over by a horse probably weighing well past 1/2 ton, and the police statement on throwing a bicycle in front of the horses was an outright lie revealing guilt and victim blaming. The “bicycle” was her walker, which was next to her and was knocked over with her. As for the man in the brown jacket, the horse is clearly rearing up and is on its rear legs, one of which is credibly ON the man. Also the rider’s position is not that of one in control of his mount. This is what happens when something negligent and dangerous is done. Next, no these are not people gone suddenly insane and descending on innocent people to harass them, the false narrative you are implying: this is a protest involving civil disobedience in the face of remonstrance having been ignored and ratcheting up of harmful regulations. The reaction to protest and imposition of uncalled for state of emergency with now naked threat to steal assets and money as well as to hound show an out of control State in need of sharp reining in. You are an enabler of oppression. KF

  371. 371
    vividbleau says:

    KF
    “You are an enabler of oppression. KF”

    Yep

    Vivid

  372. 372
    kairosfocus says:

    PS, for this, the regime in power in the city, province and federal state deserve to be censured and removed from office.

  373. 373
    Scamp says:

    Vivid:
    Good point, they can always set up a go fund me account, oops sorry that’s not available to them.

    A go-fund-me to support an illegal protest is different than a go-fund-me to support a legal defence.

    BTW I I did read that one of the leaders has been released on bail

    Yes. And so will the others.

  374. 374
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#363)

    “Apparently it was provided to him. She claims she has no money but there is nothing stopping someone else from putting up the surety.”

    You’re kidding, right?! Why would anyone put up the surety when the federal government is now freezing the bank accounts of people who have supported the freedom convey?! You see, by using unchecked government overreach for the purpose of persecution, most people become afraid and fall into line. That’s called tyranny, Scamp. You really are tone-deaf.

  375. 375
    kairosfocus says:

    KR, precisely and it is why the governments, city, province and federal need to be censored and need to go. KF

  376. 376
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “A go-fund-me to support an illegal protest is different than a go-fund-me to support a legal defence.”

    Like Kyle Rittenhouse for his legal defense?

    Vivid

  377. 377
    KRock says:

    @Vividbleau (#368)

    No doubt they will go to the ends of the earth to persecute anyone who participated in, or supported this peaceful protest. Interestingly, the Canadian government had no issue condemning Cuba’ harsh treatment of protesters from 2021. Apparently our government advocates for the freedom of expression and the right to peacefully assemble. We really do live in clown-world.

    https://tnc.news/2022/02/19/canada-condemns-cubas-treatment-of-protesters-in-2021-while-police-in-ottawa-crackdown-on-freedom-convoy/

  378. 378
    KRock says:

    @Vividbleau (#375)

    I believe Scamp has his feet planted firmly in mid-air.

  379. 379
    KRock says:

    @Kairosfocus (#374)

    I couldn’t agree more! If something doesn’t happen soon, I believe you’ll begin to see an exodus of people leaving Canada. We can’t say we weren’t warned, though (see link below).

    https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/trudeau-dictator_b_6314494

  380. 380
    vividbleau says:

    Intersectionality and narrative at work

    One of these was considered a human rights violation, ended the agencies use of horses, and drew worldwide criticism. The other barely drew any media attention.
    Shows what the narrative is perfectly.

    https://twitter.com/buckgraver/status/1495502601739288577?s=21

    Vivid

  381. 381
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    No, because of your ignorance and your continued attempts to distort the facts! You’ve tried desperately to slander the image of these protesters on this thread, and to no avail.

    Except that I am the only one commenting here that goes downtown every day. Well, except for the last few days.

    And I have repeatedly said that the majority of protesters are polite. However there is a minority that harass people who wear masks, and none of the other protesters do anything about it. Some of them are drinking in public, with no intervention from the other protesters. After a short respite from the constant honking, they resumed, again with no response from the rest of the protesters. All of this with no consideration of the people who live in the area.

    I also notice that you had nothing to say about the people who normally rely on home medical care who had to be moved to hospital care.

  382. 382
    kairosfocus says:

    Vivid, no one with two brain cells to rub against one another will trust GFM again. Right now, the Canadian Bank Cartel isn’t looking good either. This government has destabilised the trust that is foundational to the financial system. KF

    PS: ANY protest involving civil disobedience will have an illegal component, it is in the name. Rosa Parks and MLK broke laws. Neither were leading violent rebellion, and this protest is non violent. It would be interesting to see how the same folks treated the Summer of 2020.

  383. 383
    Querius says:

    KRock @367,

    Yes, during such events and police violence, there are many accusations and unconfirmed reports that need to be acknowledged as unconfirmed (as you did) and checked. Hopefully the investigation won’t be a whitewash:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/ontario-police-watchdog-opens-investigation-woman-reportedly-trampled-mounted-officer

    Unfortunately, there’s no information about the condition of the other person, a man, who was also trampled by a horse.

    There are often exaggerations and lies made by all parties: the government, the police, the media, and the protesters. As anyone who has been in or on the outskirts of a protest knows (as I have in the past), media reports are often wildly inaccurate.

    The crazy thing is that the trucker protest and police violence could have been quickly resolved with negotiation by first delaying the newly enacted vaccine requirements on truckers. It would have ended quickly.

    Pierre Poilievre gives POWERFUL speech on the current state of Canada
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVhsJlAy4Y

    I agree with him that there are a multitude of needless blockades now.

    -Q

  384. 384
    kairosfocus says:

    Food for thought but pardon needless vulgarities https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245216

  385. 385
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @381,

    Good points all. Why do you think people become less and less free over time? All institutions seem to have this tendency toward tyranny.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.” -C.S. Lewis

    Such events as we’re witnessing in Canada expose the true motives, coercions, and allegiances of all parties involved!

    -Q

  386. 386
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Imagine Trump doing what Trudeau did.

  387. 387
    vividbleau says:

    Scamp
    “However there is a minority that harass people who wear masks, and none of the other protesters do anything about “

    For shame on them I say ,seize and freeze their bank accounts, put them on the terrorist watch, take their trucks

    “Some of them are drinking in public, “

    OMG how could something like that happen? How dare they commit that terrorist act. Drinking in public can’t believe such a thing could happen. Definitely belong on the terrorist watch list. They must be hunted down and punished hopefully they will bankrupt these people.

    “ After a short respite from the constant honking, they resumed, again with no response from the rest of the protesters.”

    Noooo did they really honk their horns? Despicable definitely need to be hunted down and punished.”

    Vivid

  388. 388
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Vivid – lol, good sarcasm. Canadians drinking beer – wow, such a big problem!

  389. 389
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @386,

    Haha! And now the flood of blatant, UNREGULATED HONKING has spread to Quebec!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNEL_BdhNDQ

    Unless the Canadian government gives permission ALL honking and gross noises will no longer be tolerated!

    Violators will be punished to the fullest extent of the law including forfeiture of vehicles and bank accounts along with indefinite incarceration! There have also been reports of dangerous spitballs and paper airplanes being thrown about. You naughty, naughty Canadians. LOL

    -Q

  390. 390
    vividbleau says:

    Excellent article by Barri Weiss on substack

    A Social Credit System Arrives in Canada
    Justin Trudeau just created a caste of economic untouchables. Can we stop this dystopian policy from taking hold in America?

    https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/a-social-credit-system-arrives-in?utm_medium=web

    Vivid

  391. 391
    Querius says:

    Vividbleau @389,

    Indeed an outstanding article–thanks for sharing it!

    -Q

  392. 392
    KRock says:

    @Scamp

    My goodness. The truckers, from the very beginning, made it quite clear that they had no intention in restricting access to anyone needing day-to-day medical care or in need of medical attention, or anyone who lived downtown for that manner. If people were moved it was because someone else decided it was in their best interest to move them to hospital care; it had nothing to do with the truckers restricting access. And you going downtown as often as you have been would know that very few trucks even made into the core of the city. Upon arrival, the police had the vast majority of trucks relocated to designated parking locations, away from the epicentre of the protest; and the truckers, along with their supporters, happily obliged. In my opinion, you’re being very hypercritical of an all but peaceful protest—far more peaceful than the protests we witnessed in 2020. Was it reminiscent of a Canada Day celebration?! Sure! But I’d much rather see people having a good time than the burning and looting of businesses and property.

    On a side note, I’ll say that the intern Police Chief (i.e., Steve Bell) in Ottawa is also putting forth some very dangerous rhetoric. What sane person suggests that they’re going to hunt down and punish protesters both financially and criminally for partaking in what can only be characterized as a peaceful assembly—it’s both cruel and terrifying. In fact, such rhetoric, in my opinion, comes dangerously close to the mindset of Heinrich Himmler, who once said, “The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don’t ask for their love; only for their fear.”

  393. 393
    Scamp says:

    KRock:
    The truckers, from the very beginning, made it quite clear that they had no intention in restricting access to anyone needing day-to-day medical care or in need of medical attention, or anyone who lived downtown for that manner. If people were moved it was because someone else decided it was in their best interest to move them to hospital care; it had nothing to do with the truckers restricting access.

    Then the protesters should have done something about the protesters preventing homecare nurses from driving to the buildings of their patients.

    And you going downtown as often as you have been would know that very few trucks even made into the core of the city.

    Contrary to reality. I had to stop driving and taking transit because the trucks had blocked too many roads. Not a huge impact for me but it was for many.

    Was it reminiscent of a Canada Day celebration?! Sure!

    Last time I looked, Canada day didn’t last three weeks.

    As I mentioned from the beginning, the protesters had some very legitimate concerns but they made ultimatums that no government would accept, and their decision to occupy rather than protest has turned many people against them. In spite of what some here say, the majority of people in Canada supported the police actions against the protesters. Discussions will go on about whether the specific police actions were appropriate, but few will argue that police action wasn’t necessary.

  394. 394
    Scamp says:

    This comment from Twitter says it all.

    Won’t that be something. Those involved in the Ottawa occupation that started out as a protest to lift cross-border vax mandate may not be able to cross the border anyway due to a criminal record if they were charged and end up convicted.

  395. 395
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Foreign troops called in against Canadian citizens
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3xKXBD_dfQ

  396. 396
    Querius says:

    KRock @391,

    Thanks for the insights. The truckers and common people with them maintained their dignity, composure, and peaceful protest in the face of brutality. Witness the death of freedom . . .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LpnCfzuO58

    Choosing between the two lines, I’d be honored and proud to stand with the ordinary people there against the police thugs. But it’s far from over. The police will need to move to city after city to crush the freedom to protest. The Canadian government will now have no choice but to sink further and further into Fascist dictatorial control.

    Silver Asiatic @394,

    Thanks for the link. Wow, so there are now German riot police in Ottawa keeping Trudeau in power?

    -Q

  397. 397
    Querius says:

    And the cause of it all . . .

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1495412605669810180

    Brilliant!

    -Q

  398. 398
    Scamp says:

    Words from the mouth of one of the lead organizers of the Ottawa protests.
    https://twitter.com/a_picazo/status/1492353079571894272?s=21

  399. 399
  400. 400
    jerry says:

    Words from the mouth of one of the lead organizers of the Ottawa protests

    A modern day Samuel Adams?

    Is he just stating the obvious?

    The left has always pushed for such a response because they believe with the press behind them, they can then enforce a totalitarian counter response. Canada has done just this.

    Maybe the applicable words are

    WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

    They have revealed who they are. One of the greatest things Trump did was force the left to reveal who they actually were.

    Trudeau and his backers have revealed who they are. Much of the Democratic Party in the US would do the same if given the chance. The real tragedy is not that Trudeau and his like exists. The real tragedy is the large number of people who voted for him and support him. The so called good and nice Canadians.

    Not just Canadians but supposed good and nice people everywhere.

    Aside: Maybe they will name a beer after this guy? Sam Addams is a major beer in the US now.

  401. 401
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    Scamp says:

    What I find ironic is that if a single transport truck parked in front of your house or business with a BLM flag, or a rainbow flag, or a pro-choice sign, blared his horn at all times of the day, set a fire to keep warm and continued doing this for three weeks, you would have no problem with the police moving him along or arresting him if he refused to move. In fact, you would probably be the first to call the police. But when it is a few dozen trucks supporting a message you agree with doing the exact same thing, you claim that they are doing nothing wrong and have the right to do so.

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    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    A modern day Samuel Adams?

    I obviously don’t know enough American history. Was Sam Adams an anti-Muslim white supremacist?

    But I do like his beer.

    But seriously, the fact that protests tend to attract such reprehensible human beings is not a surprise. What is a surprise is that I have not heard a single comment from any of the other organizers stating that this guy does not represent the protest.

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    Querius says:

    Jerry @399,
    Excellent! Yes, revealing the iron hand discredits all hypocritical pretense of “caring.”

    Jerry @400,
    Exactly–Jesus was accused of breaking Torah (law). And what Trudeau fears the most is Canadians running around free and happy rather than becoming the slaves of a dour, self-righteous Fascist dictatorship.

    -Q

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    Q @ 396 – that just boggled my mind. Wow.

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