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We’re not your lab rats any more: Convoy update IV

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As of March 13, 2022, this page will not be updated. The issues re COVID-19 have now moved to the stage where only serious enquiries into the costly Crazy will be any use. Meanwhile, we leave you with this thought:

Now, as we move forward (or not), a final message: Maybe you didn’t care when ID proponents lost their jobs for not fronting Darwin. After all, you didn’t think it would spread. But it does.

The COVID Crazy is what happens when “science” becomes a placeholder for a variety of wants and fears, power grabs and pursuit of profits. Now that you had to live with it – and should justifiably fear the next Crazy coming down the pike – what do you think about what has become of science?

Much of the worldwide panic porn has been driven by false counts and misunderstood risks. Governments will need to be, um, prodded to face up to these problems. In our own jurisdictions, we can all be good citizens and help.

The post “We’re not your lab rats any more” III — as the world fights back against a lab rat status in the COVID-19 “Trust the Science” Crazy — was getting too big (especially on cell phones). So go here for the whole story up to Canada’s Trudeau suddenly dumping the Emergencies Act aimed at the protestors against ridiculous COVID-19 rules.

United States, March 13, 2022

The reckoning begins (and continues, we hope):

Facts Matter (March 11): The Pfizer Documents: 158K Adverse Events, 42K Case reports, 1.2K Fatalities in First 3 Months Expect lots of tooth-and-nail fights, devious tactics, and sudden disappearances of critical documents as corporate and government crats seek to hide things we weren’t supposed to know.

Fear: Growing Number of Countries Identify Cases of ‘Deltacron’ Variant

Um, no. A solid mass of people — who can thank the Canadian truckers for finally calling out all the crap — will resolutely oppose another round of Crazy.

Crazy? How about this: Lockdown Debate Was Skewed Because Skeptical Scientists Had Less ‘Twitter Firepower’: Study Let that sink in, people. The Twitterati you never listened to were helping run your life.

Oh, and get this: “Mask Mandates Not Linked to Lower COVID-19 Case Rate or Transmission: Study” Huh? It would be amazing if the shopping plaza masks were any use. In that case, everything we ever knew about sterile procedure would turn out to be false.

Massachusetts to Reduce ‘Significant Overcount’ of COVID-19 Deaths. But will the state government follow through?

Much of the worldwide panic porn has been driven by false counts and misunderstood risks. Governments will need to be, um, prodded to face up to the risks.

Now, as we move forward (or not), a final message: Maybe you didn’t care when ID proponents lost their jobs for not fronting Darwin. After all, you didn’t think it would spread. But it does. The COVID Crazy is what happens when “science” becomes a placeholder for a variety of wants and fears, power grabs and pursuit of profits.

Now that you had to live with it – and should justifiably fear the next Crazy coming down the pike – what do you think about what has become of science?

All some of us ever say is, Let the enquiries begin!

Canada, March 13, 2022

Okay, it begins: An actual enquiry into how government mismanagement hastened elders into an early grave: Who Killed Granny? Pandemic Death Protocols in Canada’s Long-term Care Facilities Granny’s death was great for pumping up the panic that closed elementary schools and teen drop-in centres, even though her grandchildren and great-grandchildren were not at risk of COVID but were at risk of delayed literacy/numeracy and/or depression and suicide attempts. Nice going, Public Health!

Plus

Harms From Vaccine Mandates May Outweigh Benefits, Say Vancouver Coastal Health Officials So someone is finally discussing that… ? We can talk about vaccine injuries now?

It doesn’t bode well that most people will only ever have heard the term “vaccine injuries” from disapproved sources.

The panic abruptly died in the province of British Columbia, where O’Leary for News lives: “BC Will End Mask Mandates on March 11, Vaccine Passports on April”

The vast majority were never in danger. And never would have been.

Meanwhile, the Crazy lives on. Hordes of mentally fragile people mask up here even in broad daylight on the streets — in the teeth of a cold wind off the North Pacific. Superstition does that to people. But why call it “science?”

Meanwhile, as many BC residents finally breathe free indoors in public places, watch the MASSIVE legacy media effort at concern trolling:

Meanwhile, British Columbia, is also firing doctors who won’t prescribe the vaxx even though the province faces a huge doctor shortage. Good to know the government has its priorities right.

That is, if you needed someone to address your heart failure, you are out of luck, whether you have or haven’t had the shot or suffered from it or whatever. This is what happens when government gets a stranglehold on medical science. And probably on any science.

Punditry

As mandates and other crazies are falling across the country: How the Government’s Response to Freedom Convoy Differed From Its Approach With Other Protests in Canada (Omid Ghoreishi):

Just before COVID-19 became the major crisis of the past two years, Canada was in the midst of grappling with railroad blockades by opponents of a pipeline development project in B.C. in early 2020. The weeks-long blockades crippled freight and passenger rail traffic in most of Eastern Canada.

Early in 2022, Canada saw another series of protests, this time in opposition to COVID-19 mandates, with participants setting up camp in downtown Ottawa and others blocking Canada-U.S. border crossings.

But there was a vast difference between how the government dealt with the anti-mandate protest and how it responded to the anti-pipeline protest as well as other protests in recent years.

Um, right. Canada’s future, going forward, largely depends on whether it makes any difference that the government’s response to the uproars around COVID was for citizens to be trampled by police horses.

United States, March 9, 2022

Is an AI-driven social control system emerging in America? The gradual merger of Big Tech and Big Government is worthy of close analysis. The beginnings of such a system can be seen in the behavior of Canadian banks during the trucker’s Convoy — and of American credit card giants at home. Yes, it is already happening in the United States.

People just didn’t notice because they thought that kind of thing would only happen to “bad people”… But no. These things aren’t like that.

Meanwhile, Facebook Called Out for Vaccine Marketing Alliance

A health alliance formed by Facebook in June of 2021 has been funding research into “how best to use behavioral science, social media and digital platforms to build confidence in and access to vaccines.”

Called the “Alliance for Advancing Health Online (AAHO),” members of the Facebook-led group include the World Health Organization, pharmaceutical giant Merck, and the CDC Foundation—which is the fundraising arm of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and has corporate partners that include Pfizer and other world giants in vaccine manufacturing…

“This is absolutely appalling,” Pierre Kory, president of the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a prominent advocate for alternative COVID-19 treatment, told The Epoch Times.

“This doesn’t have a true, scientifically-supported public health objective for getting people vaccinated, it’s more of a marketing aim with the sole goal of increasing vaccine rates.”

On the bright side: Facebook’s got a bundle, right? Will they compensate the vaccine-injured? One reason for fronting inquiries would be to unearth more of what really happened and pave the way for something like that.

Mooted: Why we must demand that leaders who got COVID wrong admit it and apologize Please, no! The leaders didn’t just “get it wrong” like somebody slipping on the sidewalk. Let’s probe the links between Big Gov, Big Social Media, and Big Pharma before we decide whether many of the people involved are just fools — or villains.

Convoy? The People’s Convoy Makes Its Mark Despite Media Blackout:

More than a thousand big-rig trucks, pick-ups, SUVs, passenger cars, and motorcycles circled the 64-mile Capital Beltway on Monday to demonstrate their opposition to vaccine mandates and the government’s pandemic policies.

There were no traffic jams. The convoy was orderly, almost precision-like in its discipline. The protesters gave the right of way to other vehicles using the highway, staying in the right-hand lane for the entire circuit. It was peaceful.

Despite the expectations of the media and many in government that the convoy would become violent, the protesters have, so far, shown no inclination to cause disruptions to Washington traffic or take part in violent demonstrations in the city itself.

Same thing in Canada. All the violence was caused by the police.

If Americans media continue on their present course, they will go from blackouts to demands for censorship of those providing news.

The Trust the Science! Chokehold loosens in some places: Florida starts to make sensible plans going forward:

Florida is clearly leading the way toward a more sane, science-based approach to the pandemic. CDC data shows that school-age children have a COVID recovery rate of 99.997%—better than their mortality risk from the seasonal flu, and studies have shown that unvaccinated children are safer from COVID than even vaccinated adults of any age.

Other countries are acknowledging this data. In fact, earlier this year, health officials in Sweden decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-12, arguing that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks.

No, but the big question is really: What’s behind the stampede elsewhere to vaxx them all anyway? Demand enquiries!

Now let’s talk about masks:

Some of us don’t care if our neighbours want to wear a mask on the street — or a Batman or Tweety Bird getup — just leave the rest of us alone. And don’t make kids do it in school. The rest of us have really, truly, had enough.

Canada, March 9, 2022

Convoy organizer Tamara Lich has been granted bail There are way bigger issues to deal with than Tamara Lich. Let’s start with out-of-control government, high on Trust the Science!, locking down an entire nation for basically stupid reasons.

Meanwhile Ontario to Lift Mask Mandate for Most Settings on March 21 Keep talking, folks. And you had better.

Local bureaucracies continue to be vicious: Struggling mom-and-pop restaurant faces charges, fines for not kicking out patrons. As times remain tumultuous for entrepreneurs, establishments like Vivian’s Country Cooking (Norfolk, Ontario) are yet again in jeopardy of losing everything.

Edmonton Drops Mask Bylaw as Alberta Moves to Ban Separate Municipal COVID Rules: During the COVID Crazy, every little town or township was a dictatorship. And that’s another thing that must be addressed: = You people get back to dealing with stray dogs and ragweed, okay?

While ‘crats sit at home in front of their laptops…

Meanwhile, the interim Ottawa police chief, responsible for the country’s reputation-wrecking carnage vows “systemic change.” Can you guess what the change is? We fear you can:

The statement outlined other upcoming measures the force would prioritize including “a new, diverse hiring class that is representative of our community” and “hiring an equity and race data specialist” to continue efforts to increase reporting on police data such as traffic stops and arrests.

“Together with the community, we will rebuild public trust, continue to address systemic racism and violence against women, promote equity, diversity and inclusion, increase diversity-focused hiring and contribute to our communities through neighbourhood policing,” said the statement.

Nothing about the batons, pepper spray, and trampling police horses…?

Will the horses be taught to avoid trampling “diverse” persons? Well, that’s a start maybe, but hardly the thoroughgoing reform the rest of us had in mind.

Meanwhile, the interim Ottawa police chief, responsible for the country’s reputation-wrecking carnage vows “systemic change.” Can you guess what the change is? We fear you can:

The statement outlined other upcoming measures the force would prioritize including “a new, diverse hiring class that is representative of our community” and “hiring an equity and race data specialist” to continue efforts to increase reporting on police data such as traffic stops and arrests.

“Together with the community, we will rebuild public trust, continue to address systemic racism and violence against women, promote equity, diversity and inclusion, increase diversity-focused hiring and contribute to our communities through neighbourhood policing,” said the statement.

Nothing about the batons, pepper spray, and trampling police horses… Will the horses be taught to avoid trampling “diverse” persons? Well, that’s a start maybe, but hardly the reform the rest of us had in mind.

And as for the bankers… (If you are not a Canadian, pay even more attention; this is coming to you too.)

Banks Froze Convoy Protesters’ Accounts Beyond RCMP’s List: Canadian Bankers Association

RCMP Say Freezing Convoy Protesters’ Accounts Necessary as Opposition MPs Question Why Court Orders Not Used:

Minister of Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair had claimed that the protest movement was a “largely foreign-funded, targeted and coordinated attack.” However, crowdfunding platform GoFundMe told the Public Safety Committee on March 3 that 88 percent of donations to the Freedom Convoy fundraiser originated within Canada.

A court order was risky as it would have forced this information into the open. So they proceeded without one.

And finally on this topic, a Member of Parliament has asked the Privacy Commissioner to investigate the GiveSendGo hack:

“The illegal hacking of crowdfunding platforms and email accounts has resulted in tens of thousands of Canadians’ personal information being circulated online,” wrote Bezan in his March 9 letter to Commissioner Daniel Therrien.

“This blatant breach of privacy has resulted in ‘doxxing’ campaigns on social media, numerous media stories in national and international media, mapping of personal and business addresses found in this data, and targeted harassment campaigns.”

As was probably intended. The real lesson here may be that we can no longer trust financial systems that have much to do with governments or are vulnerable to their operatives. The world awaits workable crypto.

United States March 7, 2022

The Freedom Convoy has arrived in Washington but, unfortunately, are split as to tactics. Bad news. The one thing that kept the Canadians together despite both fierce government and corporate opposition has been awareness that — just as in the United States— the elite hate and despise us more than any of us hate or despise each other. Their position depends precisely on that. We can best defeat them by remaining united on one thing: End The Crazy. End It Now.

Meanwhile: NFL Suspends All CCP Virus Protocols, Citing Decreasing Spread Well, the NFL must sell tickets, right? It’s surprising how many bureaucrats — in sharp contrast — only pay attention to “science” when it can be used to pump up panic, not when it suggests that the epidemic is running the usual course and protocols can be relaxed.

Put another way: If we all behaved toward the flu, which kills many thousands every year, the way we have behaved toward COVID-19, no one would ever attend a Major League game — or any game, anywhere — again.

So say goodbye to

On the other hand, if the U.S. Freedom Convoy gets the message through… maybe Americans will breathe free again.

Note: For the record, just like COVID-19, flu typically kills by getting in ahead of metastasizing cancers, inoperable heart failures, etc., in already frail people. That’s why we don’t shut down all life for children, teens, and healthy adults in order to combat flu.

Also: Mainstream media says vaccine mandates are gone, US trucker convoy disagrees:

During the convoy’s rest stop in Indiana, I allowed the truckers to set the record straight. They explained that the cross-border vaccine mandate does in fact exist, and argued that the mainstream media fails to acknowledge this mandate because it would legitimize the aims of the trucker protest.

The only thing the legacy U.S. mainstream media lacks right now is explicit taxpayer funding, which is what the legacy mainstream Canadian media now has. If Americans are fool enough to give taxpayer funding to legacy MSM media to help it survive the online onslaught, they can kiss goodbye ever again to mainstream media coverage that doesn’t uphold current government aims. They will really need the embattled indies then.

Believable medical science news continues to emerge:

● The CDC Changed Its COVID Risk Formula. The Results Are Stunning

To understand why the CDC made the change, don’t look to science. Look to public choice theory

“With widespread population immunity, the overall risk of severe disease is now generally lower,” Walensky said, according to the transcript. “Now, as the virus continues to circulate in our communities, we must focus our metrics beyond just cases in the community and direct our efforts toward protecting people at high risk for severe illness and preventing COVID-19 from overwhelming our hospitals and our healthcare systems.”

There are two takeaways here.

The first is that Walensky’s call to direct efforts “toward protecting people at high risk for severe illness” sounds a bit like the Focused Protection strategy many public health experts and epidemiologists have been advocating all along, some of whom were labeled “fringe” scientists by the government’s top infectious disease bureaucrats.

Second, it’s worth examining how Walensky reached this conclusion. During the call, Dr. Greta Massetti of the CDC noted that “70% of Americans are in areas with low or medium COVID-19 community levels.” [emphasis added]

The question Americans should be asking themselves is, why did the panic promoters get star billing while the people who turned out to be right were dismissed as fringe?

● Bayer Executive Says mRNA Vaccines are Gene Therapy

“I always like to say, if we had surveyed two years ago in the public—‘would you be willing to take gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body?’—we probably would have had a 95 percent refusal rate,” he added.

The pandemic has given the pharmaceutical industry innovation opportunities that may have not been possible before, Oelrich said.

Yes, it’s gene therapy. If you were told otherwise, you were being given incorrect information. But the Big Story is the efforts Big Social Media have made to suppress this fact: “Anyone calling the novel COVID-19 vaccines gene therapy or questioning their safety and effectiveness continues to get censored on social media.”

If you even wonder whether that suppression is in your interests, rethink “Trust the Science!”

● Covid-19 news: Booster protection against omicron may wane in months

They found that a booster dose substantially increased protection against developing mild illness from the omicron variant. Two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine were only 8.8 per cent effective against the omicron variant after 25 or more weeks. But a third booster dose of this vaccine increased protection to 67.2 per cent. However, this then dropped to 45.7 per cent after 10 or more weeks.

There are also known side effects. So people should be hounded from their jobs because they refuse to get it? That’s happening where I live.

● How Vitamin C Evidence Was Censored Because of Covid

Many of us reach for vitamin C for any cold or flu. But doctors who administer, or even promote, this nutrient to treat COVID-19 risk intimidation and censorship.

On April 23, FBI agents raided the Allure Medical Clinic in Shelby Township, Michigan. The visit came soon after Allure announced that it was treating COVID-19 patients using intravenous vitamin C therapy, “with great results.”

The stampede to get everyone vaxxed, regardless of consequences and of the known merits of other approaches to coronaviruses, deserves a serious investigation.

Before we go back to being serious:

From the Babylon Bee: Americans who cowered under government oppression for 2 years urge Ukrainians to die for freedom

and

Progressive Christians are sad that they have no way to love their neighbors now that mask mandates are gone

Punditry

Asked at American Thinker: What’s a university for, if not to question ‘the science’?

But here we have a topic that could not be more vital — our medical response to a virus — and the subject is off-limits as if the very notion of interrogating it introduced a ripple in the placidity of doctrine, heresy into an unchanging belief system. Consequently, as Kirsch puts it so simply, “students will not have the opportunity to consider that there may be an alternate hypothesis that better fits the evidence on the table.”

To the extent that universities, especially elite ones, become a means for a ruling class to meet, mingle, and assert both rule and privilege over others, their actual relationship to science might be whatever they choose to make it.

At MercatorNet Groupthink today: an endless circle of scapegoating:

The pandemic presented a single uniting truth: a pandemic is bad, and we must act to save lives. Along with this great truth, however, were grouped a multitude of half-truths and outright lies that all became part of the established narrative.

But it was a package deal. You either accepted the narrative as presented by the politicians, experts, and media, or you were in the other group—a victim or purveyor of misinformation and disinformation, a something-denier, an anti-something. There was no room for nuance, subtlety, scepticism, independent analysis of evidence, or even honest questions. There was only a binary choice: pro or con. And the more successful the propaganda, the more powerful the groupthink, and the larger the pro-narrative group became.

It was obvious to anyone who scratched the surface of the narrative that something was amiss. But once people had planted their flags, they weren’t going to budge. And voicing doubts could be costly to one’s career and relationships.

Canada March 7, 2022

The Parliament Hill demo and Freedom Chains along the TransCanada continued this weekend as Canadians start waking up, blinking, and asking “How did we let bureaucrats inflict such immense damage on all of us in the name of “science”?

It’s highways that — practically speaking — link Canada, which is why truckers there were the first to raise a protest against the insanity.

Meanwhile: Fat’s in the fire!

Quebec Email Revealing No Scientific Basis for Curfew Prompts Calls for Probes Into COVID-19 Measures Across Canada:

Revelations that the Quebec government ordered its December 2021 COVID-19 curfew contrary to scientific advice have prompted calls for investigations into pandemic measures imposed by Quebec and other jurisdictions across Canada, including by two civil and constitutional rights groups.

“Professionals from Montreal Public Health and also from the [Quebec] public health institute said explicitly directly to the chief of public health that there is no scientific evidence for this,” Joseph Hickey, executive director of the Ontario Civil Liberties Association (OCLA), told The Epoch Times…

When the province’s public health institute said it didn’t have an existing analysis and couldn’t produce one on such short notice, Quebec imposed the 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew anyway…

Asked to provide justification for the curfew at a press conference on Dec. 30, Quebec Premier Francois Legault called it “du gros bon sens,” or common sense. [Public health official] Dr. Arruda resigned less than two weeks later, citing public skepticism on the “credibility of our opinions and our scientific rigour.”

In short, it was a display of raw political power that had nothing to do with public health. But what did it have to do with? This is why enquiries are needed through much of the Western world. The fact that frightened, wittering people went along with it is irrelevant. Many of them would have gone along with drinking cyanide-laced cocoa, Jonestown-style. The rest of us need to ensure that “science,” as claimed by government, doesn’t mean this kind of thing, going forward.

And now for that business about seizing donations intended to support the Freedom Convoys…

GiveSendGo Founders Want Hackers of Truck Convoy Fundraiser Brought to Justice:

GiveSendGo cofounders Heather Wilson and Jacob Wells say an investigation has been opened to find the culprits who hacked their website during fundraising efforts for the Freedom Convoy protest against COVID-19 vaccine mandates…

“We’ve got forensic teams as we speak working on tracing all of this out, figuring out how in the world could it happen. … It is interesting that this hacker, who’s named himself online, has connections to Canadian intel and doing work for them in the past, and the group Anonymous—a very high level sophisticated orchestrated attack against GiveSendGo.”

Wells said they haven’t seen any coverage from legacy media about the denial-of-service (DDoS) hack that targeted their company last month during a fundraiser for the Canadian trucker protests. What’s worse, some of the people who donated to the campaign have been identified and harassed.

Indeed. Harassment of donors was the likely purpose and at least one taxpayer-funded pravda gladly joined in. Toronto Star:

Good luck with getting any justice, Wilson and Wells — the main thing just now is to pierce the blanket of lies created by increasingly authoritarian governments and their pravdas. And other enablers.

One person we didn’t cover, in the rush of things, was pastor Artur Miller, much persecuted by — and often jailed by — the Alberta government for his stance against the Lockdown Crazy against churches in that province. Here’s an interview with him:

Pastor Artur Pawlowski is not your run-of-the-mill Canadian. He was born and raised in communist Poland and immigrated to Canada as a young man. For many years he has been the pastor of a church in Calgary, Alberta. He is known as an uncompromising Christian who feeds the poor and defends the God-given rights of the Canadian people. He has attracted the ire of the Canadian authorities for his ongoing exposé of totalitarianism as poison to the soul.

The only reason Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, ostensibly a Catholic Christian (I used to see him, now and then, at an Ottawa church), could get away with this stuff is that — as with fellow Conservative Premier Doug Ford in Ontario — much of the political opposition would have been absolutely demented by comparison. Apparently, he only locked up one pastor, not all of them.

That’s another reason thorough enquiries are needed. Let’s find out more about the crazies who would, in pursuit of a strategy against COVID-19, derail any semblance of sane government while wrestling with their own inward demons.

No, not to persecute them. Just so we know what to expect, in case this happens again. Which it will, if other serious enquiries — as to the origin of the virus, for example — are somehow, mysteriously, not funded.

And, of course …

Justin Trudeau says democracies are “turning towards slightly more authoritarian leaders”

No kidding!! Justin baby, see you on the hustings. Fat lot of good your sucking up to practically every totalitarian on the planet has done.

Punditry:

Invoking Emergencies Act Had More to Do With Partisan Politics Than Canada’s Interests (Senator Leo Housakos). Well, of course, because the elite no longer even have the same interests as other Canadians. (It’s no different in the U.S., by the way.)

From the very beginning, the prime minister has used the pandemic to prey on the fears of Canadians and to wedge and divide for political benefit.

Starting with the weaponization and politicization of vaccines during the last federal election, he effectively categorized the vaccine-hesitant and opponents of vaccine mandates as the “Other.” Mr. Trudeau then interpreted his re-election as an admission to continue with his divide-and-conquer approach and to push through with punitive measures on the unvaccinated.

Faced with growing opposition from his vindictive mandate on truckers, he resorted to shaming and name-calling, accusing those who disagreed with him of being racists, misogynists, and white supremacists.

The only solution is to make sure it doesn’t pay off for him and other defenders of “Trust the Science!”

A note to readers, March 5

For some days now, one commenter has been allowing us to know that as a resident of Ottawa, Canada, he feels wronged by the Convoy, demanding to know:

How do they justify occupying several blocks where people live, harassing them and blasting their horns at all hours, for three weeks. Do you act like this when the government does something you disagree with? These are the actions of selfish narcissists, not freedom fighters.

As the person he was insulting at the time is not a Canadian — and I am — let me answer that one:

I lived in Ottawa for eight years, between 2012 and 2020. Because Ottawa is a national capital, I knew when I moved there that demonstrations would be a usual feature of life that especially affects persons who choose to live downtown. Ottawa is a medium-sized city. It is possible to live far from the madding crowd. But if one simply must have a view of Parliament Hill, one must also develop a tolerance for demonstrations, especially ones that are critical to our national life.

Coincidentally, I left Ottawa at the beginning of the developing COVID crazy, which meant watching as the lives of all the Canadians surrounding me in another city faraway were warped and tormented for two whole years by one ridiculous bureaucratic dictate after another. Schooling, careers, health, marriages, lives, all lost – crammed into the maw of a bureaucracy that seemed largely exempt from the suffering.

The truckers knew better than most of us how bad it all was (they travel, after all). And finally they blew up, with a large proportion of the population joining in.

It’s not even over. Here in British Columbia province, knowing full well that their superstitious measures are useless, our “health bureaucrats” continue to enforce them anyway, while other provinces are dropping them. Because they can. And they want all the rest of us to know they can – and cower.

Here’s a message that runs every week in a local church bulletin (after the government had grudgingly permitted the church to be open again):

Please note that Fr X has asked that people be reminded of the above restrictions, that bylaw officers have already visited [St. X Church] to ensure that the mask mandate is being followed, and that failure to comply, without a valid reason, will result in a heavy fine, as well as a reprimand from the local diocese.

Meanwhile, Trudeau the Younger has proved that he can send in mounted police to trample citizens and attract international attention by destabilizing the once-trustworthy Canadian banking system if he wants to.

The Canadian media that taxpayers are forced to fund have proven that they are beneath contempt. (I exempt the honorable indies, of course.)

I admire the truckers’ courage and joie de vivre in a country currently dominated by witless bureaucrats and wittering old ladies of all ages, male and female.

Every time I heard the truckers honking either in live streamed footage or here in my own city, it was music to my ears. The one thing that made me miss the brutal Ottawa winter is, wish I’d been there with them on Parliament Hill! Would have loved to have seen the looks on the deceptive bureaucrats’ faces as they watched the convoys crossing Canada and the crowds cheering them on from every overpass…

On a more serious note, the real battle is yet to come and this is one where the truckers are not the first line of defence.

There has been a massive amount of misrepresentation of all kinds to do with the origin of COVID-19, effective treatments for it, useful public health measures, and injuries from the vaccines. Many professionals’ reputations have been unjustly ruined as they tried to tell what they knew that did not happen to suit the governments’ or Big Social Media’s or Big Pharma’s “narrative.”

Every effort will be made by many people who don’t like all the honk-honk to prevent the no-nonsense enquiries that are now needed.

You can be sure of this: If those enquiries are not conducted and the problems are not addressed, it is only a matter of time before another gain-of-function virus escapes a lab and all the top people are once again lying about it and trying to inflict another useless Reign of Terror on the rest of us to create the impression of doing something useful.

By my advice, thank a trucker for honking and — don’t let the politicians and bureaucrats in your country get away without those serious enquiries. You can be sure they will try. And it’s you that’ll pay.

Canada, March 5, 2022

Next step: The Human Freedom Chain

Coast-to-Coast Human ‘Freedom Chain’ in Canada Planned for Saturday

The plan is for the Freedom Chain to reach across the entirety of the country along the Trans-Canada Highway, which spans 7,476 km, beginning in Victoria, British Columbia, and extending to St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador.

There aren’t nearly that many people in Canada but the main thing is to be seen at the key points, as when people gathered on the highway overpasses to cheer the truckers on their way up to Ottawa to honk at the bureaucrats for millions of the rest of us:

PS: Not a Canadian? Don’t gloat. It is happening where you are but, like most Canadians a month ago, you have never even imagined anything like it. Including crackdowns long hoped for by government and then swift in execution.

From their cold, thwarted hands …

Canadians Should Now Do ‘Individual Risk Assessment’ for COVID-19, Federal Health Officials Say

Federal public health authorities said Friday that it’s time for Canadians to evaluate their own risks relating to COVID-19 and to make it a personal habit, as the country sees the return of more social and economic activities.

Sure, but don’t be under any illusions that the Crazy is going away just because top ‘crats say that. The Crazy rules drop when people start convoying and marching. True everywhere. And THEN we need thorough enquiries as to just how the “Trust the Science!” Crazy got started, who was driving it, who benefited, and who was harmed. Facts and figures, truthful testimony, please. We should count all rhetoric about “the science” apart from that as a distraction, intended or otherwise.

Also: ‘Highest Risk Is Behind Us’: Ontario on Course to Lift Mask Mandate by End of March,Says Moore On course? Are they indeed?

The Ontario province bureaucrats had better be on course. That is, if they don’t want those horns honking around their fancy neighbourhoods, where most Canadians couldn’t dream of living. They forgot who they were and who we are.

While we are here: Petition Calls on Feds to Reinstate Public Servants Terminated For Vaccine Choice Turns out they had good cause for concern. Notice how many refuseniks were health care workers…

How Big Social Media keeps us in the dark, illustrated:

Just look at what they censor:

Note: “This tweet can’t be replied to, shared, or liked.”

But Aaron Ginn didn’t say anything about whether the vaccine worked or not. He didn’t really talk about the vaccines at all, other than quote a pharmaceutical executive at the World Health Summit. This is their website, if you’re curious. It’s a huge meeting, in Berlin, produced in coordination with the UN’s WHO.

But then ignorance is bliss, right? Besides, if you even want to know things, you are under immediate suspicion in Trust the Science! world.

Punditry:

David Sacks:

Last summer I wrote a post for @bariweiss warning that financial deplatforming would be the next phase of online censorship. This has now arrived in Canada. We cannot allow it to become our future in the U.S.

How did things get to this point? For years, ideologues have used accusations of bigotry to hound people from their jobs, kick them off social media, and rescind their right to participate in the online economy. However, many observers shrugged off these cases as outliers—fringe examples that could be ignored because they affected unsympathetic individuals. But now we have a wide-ranging group of working-class people and their supporters who are being financially deplatformed for civil disobedience.

The self-conception of these pundits and politicians could not be more at odds with reality. They pose as defenders of democracy while invoking emergency powers without legislative or public debate, or without an emergency for that matter. They claim that diversity and tolerance are their highest values while insisting that only one political point of view is acceptable and censoring the alternatives. Above all, progressive elites see themselves as the champions of the disadvantaged while demonizing working-class men and women whose economic livelihoods have been devastated by their draconian Covid policies.

At Newsweek, reflecting on how it plays out in the United States and riffing off a common elite talking point:

Cancel Culture Comes to Banking

Why should anyone care if a “private” business such as Chase chooses to blackball a particular individual or industry—can’t they just get financial services somewhere else? But that’s the rub—financial services is one of the most heavily regulated sectors of the economy, characterized by vague and varying regulatory standards articulated in no manual or published rule. The hook for Operation Choke Point, and Chase’s decision to terminate Flynn’s credit cards, for example, is the regulatory standard of “reputational risk,” which in practice might amount to little more than the regulator’s subjective assessment of the “ickiness” of a particular individual or industry. Once de-banked, it is often difficult or impossible to find someone else to serve you.

Vague regulatory standards bear little resemblance to the rule of law. The same regulators who devised these standards can prevent entry by new banks that might be willing to serve unpopular individuals and industries. The burdensome nature of these (and other) barriers to entry is evidenced by the fact that only 44 new banks, including state and federal banks, have been established since the financial crisis. Virtually all of these new banks are small, geographically circumscribed community banks that cannot fill the gap left by mega-banks.

The author, a U.S. law school prof, asks rhetorically: “What, if anything, can be done?”

Hmm. Start by standing on an overpass over Highway 401 (Ontario province’s main artery) or by the side of the TransCanada and cheer on the flag convoys.

Actually, you could do exactly the same thing in the United States. Never mind your fear-addled neighbours. They need help but first we must turn off the spout of nonsense from our betters that is driving them crazy.

Above all, restore the fact that our betters work for us and we pay them, not the other way around. And we know that the COVID Crazy is nonsense, probably concealing some really serious missteps and misdeeds. We cannot un-know it. Let the nonsense stop and the enquiries begin.

United States, March 4, 2022

Well, the truckers are still convoying:

Hundreds of supporters gather in remote desert town to support U.S. trucker convoy:

Among the supporters were members of the Navajo Nation tribe. One elder explained that he came out to support the truckers because he’s had enough of COVID related mandates. Other Navajo tribe members cooked traditional native food for the truckers.

They were also converging in Indiana.

Why Congressional hearings?:

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has released 55,000 pages of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine safety data, and it doesn’t look good.

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) attempted to delay the release of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine safety data for 75 years despite approving the injection after only 108 days of safety review on December 11th, 2020.

Meanwhile, Senate passes resolution to end federal COVID state of emergency That Get Out Of Jail Free card for outrageous health bureaucrats was supposed to expire March 1 anyhow.

Believable but not popular medical news

Unintended Consequences of mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19:

As of December 3, 2021, the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has logged an astounding 927,738 COVID jab related adverse events, including 19,886 deaths. VAERS can receive reports from vaccine manufacturers and other international sources, and if we exclude those, the death toll reported in U.S. territories exclusively stands at 9,136.

Moderna Hijacked Technology for COVID-19 Vaccine, Lawsuit Alleges “Arbutus Biopharma and Genevant Sciences, the companies, claim in a civil lawsuit that Moderna used “breakthrough technology Arbutus had already created and patented” to create the COVID-19 vaccine such as the lipid nanoparticle delivery system, according to a complaint (pdf) filed in the U.S. District Court in Delaware. Genevant is owned by Roivant, a company that licensed the patents in question from Arbutus.”

FDA Warns of Possible False Results From Some COVID-19 Tests

Fauci Agency Knew Chinese Authorities Were Withholding COVID-19 Data in January 2020, Documents Show

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said he believes the 90 pages of communication records between the NIH and the Wuhan lab show that Dr. Anthony Fauci’s agency, NIAID, has been “hiding information on China’s failure to provide essential data on COVID-19.”

Are we flabbergasted or what? The Congressional hearings will be most interesting….

The political climate is changing anyway: Democrats turn against mask mandates as Covid landscape and voter attitudes shift

The message is backed by advice from Biden’s polling firm, Impact Research, which studied voter attitudes to Covid and found that most Americans are “worn out” by the restrictions and “have personally moved out of crisis mode.”

In a Feb. 16 memo, the firm told Democrats to take “the win” on Covid, warning that by 49 percent to 24 percent, Americans are more concerned about it causing economic harm than infecting them or a family member, and that far more parents and teachers worry about learning loss than illness for their kids.

Most people can’t be looney tunes indefinitely.

Canada March 4, 2022

Keep on truckin!

This just in: GoFundMe Tells Committee 88 Percent of Freedom Convoy Donations From Canada “The government’s claim that the trucker-led movement against COVID-19 restrictions was a “largely foreign-funded, targeted and coordinated attack” on Canada’s democracy, as described by Minister of Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair, was contradicted by numbers shared by GoFundMe’s president.”

The entire meeting at Parliament was a prolonged upper class tantrum against freedom for ordinary Canadians. And yes, it is happening where you are too; you just haven’t noticed.

The province of British Columbia has made it clear that it is staying with masks, mandates, and crackdown generally, after others are easing off. The top COVID smackdown doc, Bonnie Henry, told a recent press conference,

However, she says not everyone will be ready or able to leave behind some pandemic measures like masks so it’s important for people to be respectful of those who are immunocompromised or elderly because they’re still at risk of infection.

That’s Newspeak for: “The people we have irrationally terrified will need time to adjust.” Yer news hack (O’Leary for News), who has lived in B.C. for nearly two years, can testify that that is — at least in principle — a valid consideration. Lots of people have been terrorized into irrational fear — but mostly by people like Bonnie Henry. The teens who obsequiously wear masks all the time out on the street, and veer off the sidewalk when anyone approaches from the opposite direction who is not wearing a mask, will need help adjusting to reality. But whose fault is that?

Meanwhile, Henry is doubling down on firing halth care workers who won’t get the vax:

On February 9, B.C.’s Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry announced that come March 24, all health-care workers in the province will need to be inoculated with at least one COVID-19 jab to remain working in their profession, and will need two shots within a month after that.

B.C. is desperately short of health care workers but that doesn’t seem to matter:

The province has been experiencing a health-care worker shortage for years, but it didn’t stop them from putting in place and enforcing vaccine mandates that fired and put more capable health-care workers on leave without pay than any other province in the country last year.

Hey, it’s the first taste of real power, for some…

By contrast, Quebec: Quebec to Relax Masking Mandate in April, End Other Measures Early

Quebec is planning to lift its mask mandate in public spaces by mid-April and remove most other COVID-19 measures earlier than previously announced.

The Quebec government said in a March 2 release that as of March 12, all public places can return to 100 percent capacity and resume normal business hours, with no table capacity limits in restaurants, bars, taverns, and casinos.

By that date, proof of vaccination will no longer be required to access the places where it was previously instituted.

But how can people trust them anyway? Anti-mandate convoy rolls on in Edmonton [capital of the province of Alberta] as restrictions set to be rolled back: “Many demonstrators said they do not trust promises from Jason Kenney after being told once before that the province was ‘open for good’.”

Government keeping the Panic going because it’s all they’ve got:

But wait. Top heathcrat Tam may, by then, be facing a very different population, one that has watched what happened to the once-proud Canadian banking sector (= their own savings) for one thing, when accounts were suddenly frozen. By now, everyone knows there are no bodies in the streets and that most COVID victims were potential flu victims, etc. She may find Big Panic a tougher sell when nothing other than Karen’s nerves is at stake. And Trust the Science! will take an even bigger beating.

Unless there is more to the story: Real Concern of Emergencies Act Is Government’s Control Over Canadians’ Life Savings: Legal Expert “‘What you have now is a government that has deputized financial institutions to essentially go into their customers’ accounts and make their own judgments, in their discretion, about whether or not those accounts should be frozen, without a court order and with a free hand,’ Bruce Pardy from Queen’s University told EpochTV’s American Thought Leaders program on Feb. 22.”

Cash-strapped governments could be trolling for bigger fish. People who live in other countries with an aging population and a powerful bureaucracy should take heed. It was Canada first but it’s not only in Canada, you know.

Punditry

Here’s an interesting take on the Convoy crackdown in Canada from the Wall Street Journal:

Among the many myths about Canada that have been shattered is the old chestnut that, unlike the U.S., with its cutthroat Darwinian ethos, Canada is a largely egalitarian and compassionate society—the kind of place where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s “sunny ways” rule. The Freedom Convoy and the government’s heavy-handed response (“Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Tyranny,” Review & Outlook, Feb. 23), invoking the Emergencies Act to subdue peaceful civil disobedience, has cast into sharp relief class divisions bubbling under the superficially egalitarian surface of the Canadian self-image.

Huh? The infinitely superior Laurentian Mafia to which Justin Trudeau belongs, has been sneering at, when not outright acting malevolently toward, Western Canada for generations! Their political power is anchored in central Canada, where their sneery (and now taxpayer-funded) legacy mainstream media launches attacks similar to those in the United States on people who live in “flyover country.” Now, of course, that sneer encompasses all Canadians below a certain level of privilege. In response, let’s just say, many grovel, many fight. The biggest problem is that too much of the Opposition, the Conservative Party, is just like the Liberals (the Natural Governing Party) to supplant it. But get people desperate enough and that might change…

Commentator Mark Steyn on the difference corrupt legacy media make:

The now ubiquitous media expression “the narrative” suggests, for example, widespread acceptance of the imposition of stock clichés from the most moronic forms of storytelling upon the subtle and shifting complexities of reality. To my mind, the Ottawa truckers are heroic. But apparently, to a majority of my fellow Canadians, they are the baddies, and racist baddies to boot. And, to two-thirds of American Democrats, the Totalitarian Mammy-Singer is the hero. To modify Dr Mahathir: If they can make a man who likes to black up and shove a banana down his pants the anti-racist hero, they can make anything.

Yes, Trudeau really did that stuff… the rules are different for the Laurentian Mafia and the Canadians who call him the “Mammy-singer” are being characteristically polite… But enough of them voted for him anyway as the “Sunny Ways” guy because they did not want to be victims of the Mafia’s organized contempt themselves.

It’s an internal war. of course, though no one calls it so: “Putin and Xi are perceiving the West as a declining power. Their view is that the West is weak, stupid, infantile, hopelessly decadent and thoroughly parasitized by a mercenary Virtual ‘elite’ class that seems more than happy to wage an internal war on their own Physical classes.”

And another view from NS Lyons at Substack:

Specifically, why all this seems like such a perfect reflection of the Reality War.

In that essay, I noted how from the perspective of those with the most wealth and power, as well as the technocratic managers and the intelligentsia (our “priestly class, keepers of the Gnosis [Knowledge]”), digital technology and global networks seem to have created “an unprecedented opportunity for Theory to wrest control from recalcitrant nature, for liquid narrative to triumph over mundanely static reality, and for all the corrupt traditional bonds of the world to be severed, its atoms reconfigured in a more correct and desirable manner.”

In this mostly subconscious vision of “Luxury Gnosticism,” the “middle and lower classes can then be sold dispossession and disembodiment as liberation, while those as yet ‘essential’ working classes who still cling distastefully to the physical world can mostly be ignored until the day they can be successfully automated out of existence.”

It’s far from clear that the working classes will be automated out of existence. Many own their own trucks/construction businesses so they would need to be dispossessed and incarcerated first.

From Peter Stockland of Cardus on the Emergencies Act:

His rationalization for forcing on Canadians the never-before-deployed Emergencies Act, then abruptly withdrawing it with a farcical “Crisis? What crisis?” flourish 36 hours later, was patently false. It was so obviously fraudulent only certain dupes and stooges in the Canadian media could be relied on to buy it.

Even the liberal New York Times, never mind the rock-ribbed Republican Wall Street Journal, laughed up its cross-border sleeve at the gullibility of northern journalistic confreres swallowing it all. It’s easy to see why.

The PM claimed only the federal Emergencies Act afforded the necessary powers to free the parliamentary precinct and downtown Ottawa from the overwhelming force of truck-driving siege meisters. The premise was that neither municipal nor provincial laws gave sufficient authorization to pepper spray protesters in the eyes, use baton-wielding police to drive the miscreants off, seize their vehicles, and finally attack their bank accounts, chattels, mortgages, investments, etc.

Only days before, however, Ottawa’s own chief of police lost his job because, it was claimed, he failed to exercise municipal powers available to him to stop the truckers’ protest. The prime minister’s claim and the city’s claim about the police chief’s ouster could not both be true.

Yes they can both be true in the minds of an elite media who can ignore old ladies trampled by horses. That’s part of why Trudeau must force the taxpayers to support those media. And it is a destructive feedback loop.

United States, March 2, 2022

This just in: CDC No Longer Recommends Universal Contact Tracing, Case Investigation

One tweeter’s reflection on the SOTU last night

Also, from Washington State:

Relax. Washington State residents vote for that; then they get it good and hard.

Meanwhile, California: California weighs punishing doctors for challenging ‘contemporary scientific consensus’ on COVID “Assembly bill promotes long-outdated information about COVID deaths in unvaccinated vs. vaccinated, however, rather than updated Omicron variant figures.” But of course it does.

“Existing law requires the applicable board to take action against any licensed physician and surgeon who is charged with unprofessional conduct,” according to the legislative counsel’s summary, and the bill would “designate the dissemination or promotion of misinformation or disinformation” about COVID as “unprofessional conduct,” without specifying what’s prohibited.

Of course it wouldn’t. That way, professional opinion on a wide variety of issues that — whatever its merits — does not suit the Boards can be hunted down and punished. Patients will not come out the winners.

Trust the Science News!:

At The Scientist, Does Science Support Lifting School Mask Mandates? “The CDC has given the OK to lift indoor mask mandates in much of the US, and a growing number of states no longer require face coverings in schools. But most experts agree that masks slow school spread of SARS-CoV-2, and whether now is the right time to allow teachers and students to unmask is a matter of debate.” It was fundamentally a terrible idea that these sorts of people were fronting so they must pretend that there is genuine doubt even now…

Better still, also from The Scientist, New Preprints Further Implicate Market in Pandemic’s Origins

None of the studies pinpoint which animal was the original vector for the virus. Andersen speculates that raccoon dogs, a mammal used for food and fur in China, could be the long-sought intermediate host. Raccoon dogs can harbor several coronaviruses. One of the studies shows that raccoon dogs were sold in a section of the market where coronavirus samples were detected, reports Nature.

“It’s very convincing,” Thea Fischer, an epidemiologist at the University of Copenhagen who was not involved in any of the new studies, tells The New York Times. She says that the question of whether the virus spilled over from animals “has now been settled with a very high degree of evidence, and thus confidence.”

Aw, come on! Once average people learn about the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, it just isn’t something we can “un-know.” But these people must believe what they must believe…

Believable science news

The Truth Is Coming Out About COVID Deaths

Early on in the COVID pandemic, people suspected that the deaths attributed to the infection were exaggerated. There was plenty of evidence for this. For starters, hospitals were instructed and incentivized to mark any patient who had a positive COVID test and subsequently died within a certain time period as a COVID death.

At the same time, we knew that the PCR test was unreliable, producing inordinate amounts of false positives. Now, the truth is finally starting to come out and, as suspected, the actual death toll is vastly lower than we were led to believe.

Maybe not “vastly” but surely “significantly.” For one thing, a good way to get more of a behavior is to incentivize it. If money gets involved, forget objectivity. Who wants to be the one, for example, to tell the poverty-stricken bereaved partner that she can’t get the special payment because it turns out that her late partner didn’t die of COVID? If that was the story, chances are health care personnel just marked it down as a COVID death. And thus it entered the stats.

Also: New COVID drug trials: Hundreds of COVID trials could provide a deluge of new drugs. So drugs do work, as long as they are not thought to be interfering with a vaccine agenda. Good to know. 

Punditry

At Axios: The limits of “following the science”:

President Biden took office vowing to “follow the science.” But science is much less of a road map than it is information that should be used to choose the best route.

For example, science told us last summer that the vaccines’ effectiveness had waned over time. But it didn’t tell us what level of effectiveness was acceptable, or if and when a booster shot was needed. Policymakers and regulators had to provide those answers.

Similarly, there is no scientific marker for when someone needs to wear a mask. This allows health experts and scientists to be able to disagree on what policy should be while still claiming that they are following the science.

“Two different scientists can look at the same set of data and come up with different conclusions. That’s not to say that one person is being unscientific or ignoring the scientific process,” said Leana Wen, an emergency physician and a professor at George Washington University. “Public health policy is also a measure of values.”

Sure thing, but that’s actual science, not “Trust the Science!”, like we’ve been enduring for two years.

United States, February 28, 2022

The truckers are convoying to Washington now, as we all know:

So …Fencing Reinstalled Around US Capitol Building Ahead of Biden’s Speech (tomorrow night).

Associated Press is glum about the whole thing: “On cusp of Biden speech, a state of disunity, funk and peril”

After two years of a pandemic that has killed more than 920,000 in the U.S., majorities put masks back on and avoided travel and crowds in January in the sweep of the omicron variant. Now, finally, a sustained drop in infections appears to be underway.

Yes, we know. So why is Karen still in charge?

The truckers: American Trucker Convoy: U.S. government is anti-democratic, not representative of the people

Well, it’s not as simple as that. The U.S. government is still largely on the side of those who have either a vested or an emotional interest in keeping the panic going. And it could get very ugly defending those interests, just as Canada’s federal government did.

Publicity vortex Donald Trump weighs in: “’The tyranny we have witnessed in Canada in recent weeks should shock and dismay people all over the world,’” said Trump. Possibly. But many Woke governments may be using it as a template for all kinds of issues.

Meanwhile: New York Governor Drops Mask Mandate for Schools

And, of course,

Tots in failing schools have to learn to speak while everyone is wearing a mask but those rules never apply to the People Who Matter.

The corporate bureaucracy is holding out: Masks Still Required for Air Travel Despite CDC’s Guidance Change: “The mask mandate for airline passengers and airports, issued by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), remains in effect until at least March 18, when it expires. The mandate could still be extended.” Because they can.

Predictably, Flight Attendants Union Wants Face Mask Rule Extended Allegedly to protect unvaccinated children under 5. It’s a good question whether they should even be vaccinated.

With airlines, as with schools, people just have to start getting tough with unions dominated by neurotics and phobics. Tough love. Or never mind that. Just: Tough

It’s not only flight attendants: Christian Leaders Silent While Unvaccinated are Dehumanized

While pastors and other Christian leaders stay silent, some of their fellow believers are increasingly demonized as killers, “parasites,” “leech[es],” “child abusers,” and “unpatriotic,” as well as being denied access to stores, medical care, and more.

Of course, not all Christian leaders have been mute. Some, notably scientist Francis Collins, have spoken out. Alas, Collins has actually promoted dehumanization of the unvaccinated.

Karen enjoys dehumanizing people and this is one of the few opportunities allowed her these days.

Big cultural news: SNL to Liberals: It’s OK To Question Nonsensical Mask Mandates:

Mocking COVID public health theater is finally going mainstream.

It’s an unexpectedly subversive sketch from a show that rarely aims its fire these days at the liberal political consensus. It’s five minutes of saying aloud thoughts that a lot people have been condemning as off-limits.

Kate McKinnon’s character is “personally so relieved to be vaccinated” but then wonders aloud whether those who are vaccine-hesitant might not have a valid reason for refusing the shot? Mulaney timidly suggests that maybe “we”—read: the show’s liberal audience—have been too quick to demand that the unvaccinated lose their jobs and get shunned from public life.

The main thing to note is that the SNL writers think that their audience actually GETS the joke. That’s a huge change from being the joke.

Not so funny:

Also: Re the Wuhan gain-of-function virus lab:

Finally, as one of Sey’s followers shrewdly noted, this skit could have real-world consequences. Many Americans believed that the “Lab Leak Theory” involving COVID-19 was the stuff of conspiracy web sites, not reality.

You couldn’t fully blame them. Everyone from the media and Big Tech to Dr. Anthony Fauci insisted it was a lie, until they slowly let reality seep in.

It took funnyman Jon Stewart to question that narrative, on the very liberal “Late Show,” before some started questioning the truth behind it.

Non-rubbish medical news:

Repurposing FDA-approved drugs may help combat COVID-19 Wasn’t that something doctors were censored for discussing last year?

CDC says waiting longer between Pfizer, Moderna doses may reduce rare myocarditis risk for younger men So they are admitting that there is a risk? We really don’t know how “rare” it is. Finding out in the current environment would be a serious challenge.

Punditry:

The Democrats are warned by some of their own strategists not to try to keep the COVID crazy going:

Stop talking about restrictions and the unknown future ahead. If we focus on how bad things still are and how much worse they could get, we set Democrats up as failures unable to navigate us through this. When 99% of Americans can get vaccinated, we cause more harm than we prevent with voters by going into our third year talking about restrictions. And, if Democrats continue to hold a posture that prioritizes COVID precautions over learning how to live in a world where COVID exists, but does not dominate, they risk paying dearly for it in November.

You can see a screen cap of the original memo here.

Russell Brand takes us through nonsense from the CDC:

Finally, some worry that the ‘crats and Karens will want masks for another decade. That’s probably true. It’s their life now. So keep on truckin’.

Canada, February 27, 2022

More updates later today but first note this: Government mulls money that can only be spent on approved items. Programmable digital currency restricts citizens’ freedoms for “socially beneficial outcomes.” Recent rapid-fire events in Canada leave no doubt that major banks would comply with such directives, leaving citizens stranded without cash.

Meanwhile, Public Health Agency of Canada paid 200k to Telus for cell phone tracking data “The Agency began tracking users’ data in April 2020 and the Telus-related data scoop involved retroactively tracking cell phone location data dating back to January 2019.” “The contract makes no stipulation to require Telus customers to consent to the sale of their data to the Federal government.”

It’s probably not happening only in Canada. Justin Trudeau is a petulant little tyrant whose tantrum-related activities have led to a number of revelations of that could probably be duplicated elsewhere — but the people in charge there are more astute so people keep their traps shut.

Edmonton [Alberta] Police Officers Who Joined Trucker Protest ‘Relieved of Duty Without Pay’ Understandable, but don’t overlook why that was bound to happen.

Meanwhile, Alberta to Lift ‘Vast Majority’ of COVID-19 Restrictions on March 1. Elsewhere? Keep on truckin’! Note: One thing that may save Alberta Premier Kenney’s bacon in the next election is that the opposing political parties are far more unhinged than his. His catering to Karen was utterly disgraceful but he always knew he had that advantage.

Canada’s government-funded media go full Pravda:

Toronto Star:

CBC: Apparently, “phantom honking” is supposed to be Big Trauma in Ottawa now: “Post-traumatic stress from weeks of honking is a temporary ‘mild trauma,’ psychologist says.”

Only suitable response:

Sure, CBC. Devastating lockdowns for two years had no effect, of course… only good comes from bureaucrats and only bad comes from people taking back our dignity and nailing lies.

Punditry

Mike Huckabee: Trudeau backs down:

Perhaps the most important factor in his hasty retreat was that by freezing people’s bank accounts, he signaled that Canada’s banks couldn’t be trusted, launching a run on people withdrawing their money and both domestic and foreign-based businesses canceling their accounts. That’s more damage that will take a long time to repair.

But since it appears that many financial institutions have been working with the government to target conservatives and help institute a Western version of China’s “social credit system,” it can only be a good thing if Trudeau’s ham-handed bungling scares non-leftists into setting up new, independent financial services. That may go down in history as Trudeau’s one great contribution to Western society.

The run on the Big Canadian Banks is the single most important thing to come out of the whole business, actually. A lot of people who thought Woke government was cute feel differently now.

David Solway Canada: The crisis is not over:

Rumors continue to swirl like dust devils. As Breitbart reports, “Legislation making its way through the Canadian Parliament would allow citizens to be taken to court and penalized if they are suspected of simply intending to post ‘hate speech’ online. The proposed law encourages Canadians to report other Canadians to the authorities for intent to post hate speech online, and allows courts to punish Canadian citizens for things they haven’t done yet.” There is no official confirmation that a bill of this nature is being studied, but I would not put it past our national despot to impose a Stasi-like snitch culture upon the nation to complement its proposal to regulate the Internet (Bill C-11), making Canada’s Internet “one of the most censored and surveilled in the democratic world.” Such instruments would be only par for the course for so cynical a leader.

Trudeau’s not cynical. He’s desperate and not very bright. He was told that imposing Woke would be easy. Wait till he tries out his next Big Idea…

U.S. February 26, 2022

As the convoys head to Washington, Americans are prying life from the bureaucrats’ cold, dead hands, first by getting admissions of fact: “CDC Drastically Alters Key Measure That Influences Mask Mandates Across US — The federal agency now says nearly three-quarters of Americans don’t need to wear masks because they live in areas with low or medium community risk from COVID-19.”

Breaking: CDC No Longer Requiring Masks on School Buses

Someone better fetch the paramedics for Karen … be sure to ask the medical resident to consider a suicide watch…

A Rebel News (Canada) reporter is embedded with the U.S. Convoy.

Even some college students are wising up: At Princeton, Georgetown and elsewhere, college students protest mask mandates “students protest mask mandates: “Matthew Wilson, a sophomore at Princeton University, is perplexed by his institution’s mask mandate. He does not find the mask mandate necessary “given that our Covid transmission rates are so low and 99% of students have been vaccinated,” he told The College Fix via email.”

But doesn’t he need to prove that he isn’t a white supremacist? Oh wait, he can’t. So he might as well fight to ditch the stupid mask.

On the other hand: ‘Covid Sheep’: Harvard students comply, conform on path to elite status “Julie Hartman, a senior at Harvard University, writes in a February 22 Wall Street Journal op-ed of the draconian COVID restrictions that persist at many elite campuses, adding her voice to the many now calling for a more moderate and sanity-protecting response.”

Elite status? Who wants these little idiots in charge of anything?

Punditry:

How today’s elites manipulate America’s working class:

The widespread lockdowns were nice for members of the Gentry Class, who fired up their laptops and worked remotely. They stayed home “keeping safe” while members of the working class brought them stuff…

And sometimes when the mask slipped, it literally slipped. As many have noticed, we developed a new convention in which the servant class is masked, while the celebrities and the oligarchs go free, something demonstrated at gatherings ranging from the Met Gala to the Oscars. Elsewhere, stars and politicians flouted the mask laws while small businesses were shut down.

Then the mandatory vaccine rules proliferated even as the vaccines appeared to underperform. Canadian truckers who protested were smeared by Trudeau as racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, etc. Trudeau, who took a knee to violent, destructive Black Lives Matter protests, invoked virtual martial law to put the working-class protesters in their place. By arresting people, seizing bank accounts and threatening to take drivers’ trucks, Trudeau was creating his own martyrs.

Polls indicate that most US Democrats support him and would do the same here.–

It doesn’t appear that U.S. Democrats support the working class any more but rather the laptop class. It will be interesting to see how that realignment works out politically. It took a pandemic to make it all so clear.

Canada February 24, 2022

Just because the Emergencies Act has been lifted doesn’t mean that everything is going back to normal. Justin, Chrystia, and Karen are still in charge.

For one thing, it’s not just the federal government. Provincial governments can cash in: “Ontario shuts down 39 trucking businesses involved with Freedom Convoy. Overall, 27 seizure orders were issued to large truck operators from outside Ontario, banning them from operating any commercial motor vehicle within the province.” We can be sure that some will profit from competitors’ downfall and will not be slow to reward those who brought it about.

Ottawa Lawyer Says Convoy Protest Donors May Have Accounts Frozen, Despite RCMP’s Claims Otherwise Keeping people in suspense is a strategy, of course.

$7.8M Frozen: Targeting of Convoy Supporters’ Bank Accounts Draws Fire at Finance Committee “‘The ability for a financial institution—which by the way, is a third party to act as the judge and the jury without the opportunity for an individual to make any representation—I’m having a hard time understanding how that is compliant with the Charter,’ said Conservative MP Adam Chambers.” Well, it isn’t but the Charter is just a piece of paper now.

As for the Mounties: “CONFIRMED: Leaked RCMP chat shows members celebrating violence against freedom protesters. One of the RCMP members laughed off the trampling incident, stating they’ve “watched that horse video,” calling it “awesome,” and that “we should practice that manoeuvre.” As one commentator put it, “Now just regime thugs.”

We are told that, following the crackdown, posters appeared in Ottawa streets listing the names of residents whose donation information had been hacked at GiveSendGo (Hat tip Krock at 477 at Convoy III):

The poster creators are probably operatives rather than typical citizens.

Donors names were published on Google Maps (since removed):

A bit more information emerging about Chrystia Freeland, Trudeau’s hench (hat tip Jerry at 478 in the Combox at Convoy III: When boring people turn dangerous:

Years later, she is somehow Canada’s Finance Minister, and what another friend from our Russia days laughingly describes as “the Nurse Ratched of the New World Order.” At the end of last week, Minister Freeland explained that in expanding its Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada (FINTRAC) program, her government was “directing Canadian financial institutions to review their relationships with anyone involved in the illegal blockades.”

The Emergencies Act contains language beyond the inventive powers of the best sci-fi writers. It defines a “designated person” — a person eligible for cutoff of financial services — as someone “directly or indirectly” participating in a “public assembly that may reasonably be expected to lead to a breach of the peace.” Directly or indirectly?

Indirectly? … Spreading “misinformation,” maybe …?

Meanwhile,

Saskatchewan Premier Calls on Trudeau Government to End Federal COVID-19 Mandates

and

Trudeau Government Facing Lawsuits Over Emergencies Act “Alberta Premier Jason Kenney and two civil and constitutional rights groups say they will continue to pursue legal challenges of the Canadian government’s use of the Emergencies Act even after the measure was revoked on Feb. 23.” But of course. Otherwise, he will do it again, anytime he gets into a snit.

Punditry

Trudeau’s References to ‘Misinformation’ When Justifying His Emergencies Act Are Very Troubling:

Legacy media members and politicos were furious when the New York Times dared to report that protesters had been arrested at gunpoint in Ottawa. One CBC TV host called the Times’ story “false and incredibly dangerous rhetoric” while a CBC radio host called the report “BS.” Trudeau confidante Gerald Butts was enraged on Twitter as he called out the New York Times, implying they would lose Canadian subscribers.

Jesse Brown with Canadaland then published a story that included pictures of people who were indeed being arrested at gunpoint in Ottawa. Gerald Butts dismissed the story as “clickbait,” though the photographic evidence was pretty clear.

The New York Times and Canadaland are both liberal-friendly outlets. The issue that establishment media and Liberal loyalists had with the stories wasn’t inaccuracy, it was that the stories contradicted their own narrative.

Trudeau, of course, wants control of the news. The legacy Canadian media — who would not survive except for handouts from the taxpayer — would be happy to help, as it gets them out of actually reporting news (which is work).

A Canadian writer expressed relief when the Emergencies Act was withdrawn:

The feeling of hopelessness was compounded by the videos I watched from independent media coming out of Ottawa: a disabled Indigenous grandmother being trampled by mounted police, police officers beating citizens, hundreds if not thousands of un-identifiable policemen confronting protesters, the police chief intimidating residents, donors to the convoy being frozen out of society and out of their bank accounts at the behest of the petty, disgusting Prime Minister of Canada and his cronies for the crime of opposing him and his regime. There were so many vomit-level episodes here over the week, it would be difficult to list them all. I felt very dark, very sad, psychologically tormented and beaten down. I did lose sleep over it all.

And then as my deadline approached, news broke of the walking back of the Emergencies Act. I had a feeling last night that getting the Act passed in the Senate was not a slam dunk for Trudeau. I wondered, with all the terrible press from around the world, with the anger and rage of so much of the Canadian population and his utter humiliation on the world stage, how could he keep this up? I think the walk back was a combination of several factors: devastating polling, the legal action that was being launched by provincial and national civil liberties associations, the lawsuit being launched by the province of Alberta and the many public denunciations of Trudeau Tyranny. That, coupled with the inarguable fact that there was no emergency, sealed the deal.

But that’s hardly the end of the story. The same bad actors could do it again if they decide to reset Canada on different principles. Thorough inquiries are needed, which includes a vast replacement — not of average Canadians — but of people who should simply not have positions of power that go much beyond choosing shower curtains and what to order for pizza toppings.

Commentator Dennis Prager asks, “Is Canada becoming North America’s Cuba?”

“A senior government official said … police could gather the names and license plate numbers of people participating in a protest or an unlawful assembly and share that information with FINTRAC (Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada) …

“Banks have been granted immunity against legal action in the event of disputes over whether someone should have been denied financial services. ‘No proceedings under the Emergencies Act and no civil proceedings lie against an entity for complying with this Order,’ the regulations read.”

The majority of Canadians (56%), we are told, currently support this. But then the majority are still dependent on government-funded legacy media for information. Many will find out the hard way what living in a frozen Cuba is really like when it gets round to them. But the way things are going, it may not get round to them — not that they have done anything to deserve the break.

Typical: Joy Break: An Anti-Woke News ‘Freedom Convoy’ Protestor is a Good Samaritan for a Woke News Outlet

When covering the Freedom Convoy trucker camp in Arnprior, Ontario, a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s (CBC) van slid off the road and got stuck in snow. One of the protestors, Tyson Gareau, happened to be wearing a “Defund the CBC” hat. The CBC has been extremely hostile toward the truckers and the Freedom Convoy. But that didn’t stop Gareau from being the proverbial “Good Samaritan.”

CBC’s van slide off the road & got stuck in a ditch beside the protestors’ camp in Arnprior. A demonstrator named Tyson Garneau wearing a “defund the CBC” hat pulled us out knowing we were CBC journalists. He said he’d never leave anyone stuck like that. pic.twitter.com/tNaI2GQPsJ— Ashley Burke (@AshleyBurkeCBC) February 23, 2022

It’s a matter of honour on his part. It would be interesting to know if there was any sense of shame on theirs.

Lastly, some fun:

Ottawa Senators [ice hockey team] Change Name To Ottawa Dictators

“The People’s Republic of Canada must shed the last vestiges of culture that celebrated freedom,” said Supreme Emperor of the North Trudeau. “Ottawa’s beloved team will be renamed as a tribute to my magnificent greatness!”…

In addition to the name change, the team will also adopt Justin Trudeau as their official mascot. The mascot costume will come in two varieties: standard and blackface.

World News, February 24, 2022

Iceland Lifts All COVID-19 Restrictions, Says People ‘Need to Be Infected’ Since Vaccines ‘Are Not Enough’ “Both domestically and at the border, all rules on quarantine, social gatherings, and school regulations regarding COVID-19 will be removed, Willum announced. This includes rules on a gathering limit of 200 people indoors.”

Britain has largely dumped the Crazy so the leadership can risk asking some hard questions: “Wuhan lab leak theory ‘accepted as likely behind closed doors at No 10’” Of course the Wuhan Level IV gaon-of-function lab is the most likely origin but never forget that it was once Woke Virtue to emphatically (if not hysterically) doubt that.

Australia

Police confirm use of controversial LRAD device at Canberra protest

What started out at the beginning of the week as the ‘stuff of conspiracy theories’ was eventually confirmed by Police.

Australian Capital Territory Policing admitted that they did use a Long Range Acoustic Device (also known as a LRAD) during the Canberra Convoy Freedom rallies outside Parliament House.

Yes, it’s come to this: The way things are going, when official sources tell us that something is a conspiracy theory, that could just mean that it’s something they think they can keep from people for now.

Premier Daniel Andrews reveals masks to be scrapped in most indoor settings but not for students in year 3 or above at primary school The least likely population at risk… Trust the Science, you ignoramus!

Also, students BANNED from chanting at rowing regatta “COVID-19 cited as the reason behind a call to put a lid on cheer.” Sure thing. Again, Trust the Science, you ignoramus!

and

Useless, complicit media attempts spin to fight back against public awareness of its failure to get the story right: “In a recent episode of Channel 10’s The Project, a segment aired that contained so much projection, it forced the show’s online team to disable all comments from social media posts about it. People saw through it.” That could be happening more now.

New Zealand gets ugly

Note: The correct usage is “Trudeaupian” levels of insincerity, viciousness and entitlement.

United States News, February 24, 2022

As convoys now head for Washington, D.C., some thoughts from Canada:

The truckers meeting in our Nation’s Capital are also protesting COVID restrictions, as well as increased gas prices and critical race theory.

Scranton businessman and vocal critic of the president Bob Bolus is leading the convoy from our area.

He said, “We’ll shut interstate systems down around the country and literally teach them, who are you going to arrest? We’re not coming there just to starve them, we’re going to choke you like a boa constrictor and you’ll have nothing. You’ll either listen to us and listen to one most important thing the ‘we the people.’

A word of friendly advice from Canada to Bob Bolus: Stick to one single issue. The reason people remained united in Canada, despite significant oppression by government, is that we all have one issue here only: End the Crazy. And we judge everything by whether government is doing that or not. Then we can all go home and do other things as we think fit.

For every Convoy I have witnessed here in Victoria, Canada, (now 3), I have seen either a stupid restriction dumped or else more people starting to act like they “get it” about the wittering bureaucrats thinking up rules because they don’t know what else to do — and keeping them in place because they don’t know how to climb down the tree they climbed up. Enough. The Panic should be over now.

So yes, Convoy! But stay peaceful and stick to ending the Crazy.

New Yorkers Hold Rally in Support of Canadian Truckers

The demonstrators chanted, “no vaccine mandates,” “stand with Canada,” “we will not comply, “freedom, freedom, freedom,” “my body, my choice, your vaccine you won’t force” and “coercion is not consent.”

The ages of attendees ranged from mid-20s through senior citizens and included a wide variety of heritages.

Like we said before, please keep it peaceful. Let the government engage in the rough stuff because they’re the ones with a lot to hide. Then, like Trudeau in Canada, they will likely face rebellion from within their own ranks. Eventually, if not sooner, they will face a purge of unsuitable government. Hey, it happened to your Luv Guv and his brother already…

Elite businesses are starting to dump the Crazy: These 3 major cruise lines are set to lift mask mandates as COVID cases drop:

Royal Caribbean plans to drop its indoor mask requirement for fully vaccinated passengers starting Friday. Carnival Cruise Line’s new policy, which will lift mask requirements in most venues, takes effect March 1.

A third cruise line, Norwegian Cruise Line, announced earlier this month that it would let passengers ditch their face masks starting March 1.

If you can afford tropical ocean air, you can at least buy it again now.

More serious medical stuff: Facts Matter (Feb. 22): CDC Caught Hiding Troves of Data: Not Publishing Critical Hospitalization, Booster, and Virus Data Many soourcfdeschose to market panic instead of demanding answers.

The Centers For Disease Control’s Lies Have Destroyed Its Legitimacy:

By refusing to acknowledge the harms of lockdowns, mask mandates, and vaccination, the Centers for Disease Control has brought everlasting shame to itself.

Last summer, guided by the CDC, President Biden claimed, “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die.” Biden also spread misinformation about vaccinations preventing the spread of Covid-19 by stating, “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”

Who is harmed the most by health misinformation produced by our president and his agencies? Those with low health literacy. Our rich-poor gap is growing in this country, and lying about health issues only exacerbates it.

There’s an old saying: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me…

Five reasons why health professionals might not tell you what they themselves know about the situation: Loss of licences, jobs, grants, advancement, and social pressure. All that the coverups are doing is making the situation seem worse than it may actually be.

Worth noting: Big Pharma, domiciled in California, may be contributing to the Crazy there. Follow the money.

And, lastly, another American gets it:

Should we be surprised when all the “liberals” in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the United States turn out to be fascists in disguise? Should we be surprised that what they truly desire is to exert unlimited power over the lives of others? Of course not. The abuse of power, once power is attained, is practically universal. George Washington rejected absolute authority, and Cincinnatus returned it to the Roman Senate after just 15 days. But in every single other case in history, a dictator remains a dictator until he or his dynasty is killed off.

We are entering the post-Western democracy stage of history. And we’re further along than we thought. No one was shocked when Germany or Austria locked people in their homes during COVID—democracy in a European nation-state has always been a thin veneer. But it was shocking to read of people attempting to climb the fences at Australian COVID concentration camps and being hunted down by the police. It was shocking to see Canada’s party-line vote to prolong emergency powers so they can make protests illegal, imprison political enemies, and confiscate dissenters’ property.

The cost of “Trust the Science!” is pretty steep, it turns out.

At any rate, always remember, many of your neighbors still resolutely believe it:

What is remarkable is the partisan split. Republicans disapprove of Trudeau’s response to the truckers’ protest by an overwhelming 87% to 8%. Independents disapprove by a massive 74% to 21%. But Democrats actually say they approve of Trudeau’s conduct by 66% to 17%.

Most of these people may genuinely believe they are in danger without their masks and lockdowns. Dealing with their mental health status will not be easy.


You may also wish to read:

Let us listen to Dr. Robert Malone, dissenting expert, on the COVID-19 crisis

and, for what’s happening in suddenly famous Canada:

Convoy II : The police swoop in Ottawa: The Constitution? Old news now “Trust the science!” is starting to show its totalitarian face in Canada — but, as they slowly learn the facts, citizens are standing their ground, From the comments: “Canadians: ‘Be polite when you are being arrested.’ u guys rock!” (Sure, commenter. Canada belongs to the people of Canada. And this is how free people fight back. Serfs, by contrast, destroy things and attack people because they have no stake in a free and prosperous society.)

and

What I saw at the Freedom Convoy in downtown Victoria It was all friendly; people were having a good time. There was no violence; I heard no racial epithets and saw no racial insignia. So if media tell you that it is really about white nationalism, etc., remember that the legacy Canadian media are in fact supported to stay in business by the federal government. Because few depend on them for news any more.


You may also wish to read:

Let us listen to Dr. Robert Malone, dissenting expert, on the COVID-19 crisis

and, for what’s happening in suddenly famous Canada:

Convoy II : The police swoop in Ottawa: The Constitution? Old news now “Trust the science!” is starting to show its totalitarian face in Canada — but, as they slowly learn the facts, citizens are standing their ground, From the comments: “Canadians: ‘Be polite when you are being arrested.’ u guys rock!” (Sure, commenter. Canada belongs to the people of Canada. And this is how free people fight back. Serfs, by contrast, destroy things and attack people because they have no stake in a free and prosperous society.)

and

What I saw at the Freedom Convoy in downtown Victoria It was all friendly; people were having a good time. There was no violence; I heard no racial epithets and saw no racial insignia. So if media tell you that it is really about white nationalism, etc., remember that the legacy Canadian media are in fact supported to stay in business by the federal government. Because few depend on them for news any more.

271 Replies to “We’re not your lab rats any more: Convoy update IV

  1. 1
    polistra says:

    Excellent advice. Protesters of all stripes try to toss in extra issues to gather a broader coalition. Unfortunately the real result is a broader coalition of people who hate the protest.

  2. 2
    Querius says:

    I’ve been watching an educated, cogent, and fascinating discussion on this topic between Rex Murphy and Jordan B Peterson, a long-time political commentator and a psychologist. It’s long, but incisively examines the motivations behind both the protest and the government response.

    https://youtu.be/5efyUt5YDU0

    Recommended if you’re at all interested in the facets of this topic.

    -Q

  3. 3
    Querius says:

    More protests and arrests . . . but not as violent in Montreal.

    https://youtu.be/Tz-INF5F5ew?t=3746

    Oops, my mistake. That was in Moscow today. Sorry.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1495309038501830657

    -Q

  4. 4
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, when it’s hard to tell Canada from Russia. KF

  5. 5
    bornagain77 says:

    Science May Be Real, But Where Can You Find It? (3 minute read)
    https://salvomag.com/article/salvo59/lockstep-lockdown

  6. 6
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Q, when it’s hard to tell Canada from Russia. KF

    Your complete ignorance of Canada is on display. And not in a good way.

  7. 7
    Querius says:

    Bornagain77 @5,
    Great article, thanks! I especially appreciated this quote:

    Stefan Baral, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins with 350 publications to his name, submitted a critique of lockdowns to more than ten journals and finally gave up—the “first time in my career that I could not get a piece placed anywhere,” he said.

    It makes you sick of the self-righteous snobs and “glitterati” that infest our communications without apparent remorse or apology for their inevitable gross blunders!

    The statements that really get under my skin are “follow the science” and, worse yet, “the science is settled.”

    This is nothing less than blind faith in fallible humans, which is a form of idolatry. Instead, we should have bumper stickers be saying things like “Question the Science,” and “the science is NEVER settled.”

    Ideologues, pedagogues, and quacks are the ones who are the most dogmatic. This would make a great parody of the Wizard of Oz. Lessee, we could call it The Wizard of Odds: Dorothy at a university walking through a dark forest of bizarre ideas . . .

    -Q

  8. 8
    bornagain77 says:

    Q: “This would make a great parody of the Wizard of Oz. Lessee, we could call it The Wizard of Odds: Dorothy at a university walking through a dark forest of bizarre ideas .”

    HAHaHaHA 🙂

  9. 9
    Seversky says:

    Querius/7

    It makes you sick of the self-righteous snobs and “glitterati” that infest our communications without apparent remorse or apology for their inevitable gross blunders!

    I agree, we should be sick of both self-righteous and self-left-eous snobs in the media. Just as we should be sick of all those appalling so-called “reality” shows. But they exist because they pull in big audiences of ordinary folk like you and me who really should know better but apparently don’t.

    The statements that really get under my skin are “follow the science” and, worse yet, “the science is settled.”

    If the science leads us to the conclusion that the Earth is round and orbits a star called the Sun, is that wrong? I know it’s not settled as far as the Flat Earth Society is concerned. Are you a member by any chance?

    This is nothing less than blind faith in fallible humans, which is a form of idolatry

    Indeed. Think Donald Trump who has allegedly been anointed by God to lead these Yoonited States back to “greatness”.

    Instead, we should have bumper stickers be saying things like “Question the Science,” and “the science is NEVER settled.”

    I agree, just so long as we keep in mind that asking questions of something does not necessarily make it wrong.

    The great thing about science is that it actually proceeds by asking questions, unlike some aspects of religion where, apparently, you’re not supposed to ask questions, just do what the sacred texts – or self-appointed interpreters of said sacred texts – tell you to do.

    Ideologues, pedagogues, and quacks are the ones who are the most dogmatic.

    Especially the religious ones.

  10. 10
    Querius says:

    Yes. Ideologues, pedagogues, and quacks . . . Ideologues, pedagogues, and quacks . . .

    No, Canada and Russia are quite different–or used to be–outside of their governments, police crackdowns, and state-financed press. However their national anthems are Profoundly Different as follows:

    While they’re equally meaningless now, the Russian National Anthem uses words like “beloved land,” “great glory,” “land of the free,” and “union of brothers,” while the Canadian National Anthem uses words like “native land,” “all thy sons,” “strong and free,” and “glorious and free.” And of course, Russia is spelled with an R while Canada is spelled with a C.

    So, yes. Kairosfocus as well as I were completely remiss in confusing the two.

    Russian National Anthem
    Russia is our sacred state,
    Russia is our beloved land.
    The powerful strength and the great glory
    Are your properties for all the time.
    Long live our Fatherland, land of the free,
    The eternal union of brothers nations,
    Given by ancestors the people’s wisdom!
    Long live our land! We are proud of you!

    Canadian National Anthem
    Our home and native land!
    True patriot love in all thy sons command*
    With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
    The True North strong and free!
    From far and wide,
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
    God keep our land glorious and free!
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    Seversky @9,

    I agree, we should be sick of both self-righteous and self-left-eous snobs in the media

    Haha, I like it!

    If the science leads us to the conclusion that the Earth is round and orbits a star called the Sun, is that wrong? I know it’s not settled as far as the Flat Earth Society is concerned. Are you a member by any chance?

    Silly rabbit, if you’ve ever studied physics, you’d know that there is no preferred frame of reference. No, actually the sun and earth orbit each other and one could note that the earth-sun system actually co-orbits the galactic center of the Milky Way (with an extremely tiny wobble).

    The earth is actually pretty flat—a bit over the thickness of a human hair per meter, so you don’t need to worry about the curvature of the earth when building a house, and its smoothness varies about 0.02% . . . . all within (wait for it) round-off error.

    Science is always changing or refining as we learn more. Some scientists speculate that we know perhaps only 5% of what is knowable. This is a good reason for humility in science. Are egg yolks bad for you? Have lockdowns worked? Are the vaccines 100% effective as Dr. Fauci originally claimed?

    Indeed. Think Donald Trump who has allegedly been anointed by God to lead these Yoonited States back to “greatness”.

    No, Donald Trump is a politician. I certainly don’t think he’s “anointed” (the word in Hebrew is “messiah”) by God. I don’t know who might be alleging this. I would not fully trust any human, not to mention car dealers and politicians. (smile)

    I agree, just so long as we keep in mind that asking questions of something does not necessarily make it wrong.

    Agreed.

    . . . you’re not supposed to ask questions, just do what the sacred texts – or self-appointed interpreters of said sacred texts – tell you to do.

    Of course you are–the Bible encourages and expects its readers to ask questions and study it—and let it study you in return!

    Especially the religious ones.

    Self-appointed interpreters of the Bible who demand uncritical acceptance of their teachings are frauds and charlatans. But that’s another topic.

    -Q

  12. 12
    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Policy incompetence and failure, acting together, cause a spreading, progressive, potentially deadly disease: voyage of folly.

    Plato:

    The Republic, Bk VI:

    >>[Soc.] I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into such a hopeless discussion; but now hear the parable, and then you will be still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found in pictures.

    Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain [–> often interpreted, ship’s owner] who is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much better. [= The people own the community and in the mass are overwhelmingly strong, but are ill equipped on the whole to guide, guard and lead it]

    The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering – every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer [= selfish ambition to rule and dominate], though he has never learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them [–> kubernetes, steersman, from which both cybernetics and government come in English]; and if at any time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or throw them overboard [ = ruthless contest for domination of the community], and having first chained up the noble captain’s senses with drink or some narcotic drug [ = manipulation and befuddlement, cf. the parable of the cave], they mutiny and take possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such a manner as might be expected of them [–> Cf here Luke’s subtle case study in Ac 27].

    Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion [–> Nihilistic will to power on the premise of might and manipulation making ‘right’ ‘truth’ ‘justice’ ‘rights’ etc], they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other people like or not-the possibility of this union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made part of their calling.

    Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?

    [Ad.] Of course, said Adeimantus.

    [Soc.] Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the figure, which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State [ –> here we see Plato’s philosopher-king emerging]; for you understand already.

    [Ad.] Certainly.

    [Soc.] Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain it to him and try to convince him that their having honour would be far more extraordinary.

    [Ad.] I will.

    [Soc.] Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded by him –that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the doors of the rich’ –the ingenious author of this saying told a lie –but the truth is, that, when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor, to the physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able to govern. [–> the issue of competence and character as qualifications to rule] The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects to be ruled by him [ –> down this road lies the modern solution: a sound, well informed people will seek sound leaders, who will not need to manipulate or bribe or worse, and such a ruler will in turn be checked by the soundness of the people, cf. US DoI, 1776]; although the present governors of mankind are of a different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and star-gazers.

    [Ad.] Precisely so, he said.

    [Soc] For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite faction [–> the sophists, the Demagogues, Alcibiades and co, etc]; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by her opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed [–> even among the students of the sound state (here, political philosophy and likely history etc.), many are of unsound motivation and intent, so mere education is not enough, character transformation is critical].

    [Ad.] Yes.

    [Soc.] And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained?

    [Ad.] True.

    [Soc.] Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also unavoidable [–> implies a need for a corruption-restraining minority providing proverbial salt and light, cf. Ac 27, as well as justifying a governing structure turning on separation of powers, checks and balances], and that this is not to be laid to the charge of philosophy any more than the other?

    [Ad.] By all means.

    [Soc.] And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the description of the gentle and noble nature.[ — > note the character issue] Truth, as you will remember, was his leader, whom he followed always and in all things [ –> The spirit of truth as a marker]; failing in this, he was an impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy [–> the spirit of truth is a marker, for good or ill] . . . >>

    (There is more than an echo of this in Acts 27, a real world case study. [Luke, a physician, was an educated Greek with a taste for subtle references.] This blog post, on soundness in policy, will also help)

    As events unfold in Ukraine, as Taiwan moves to the boil and God knows what else, it is high time to reconsider what has been going on in not only Canada but elsewhere.

    KF

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    jerry says:

    Your complete ignorance of Canada is on display

    One can best understand what people are about when they are under duress. Canada like every country is a mixture of beliefs. But if polls are accurate, it does not indicate any thing positive about a large percentage of Canadians.

    The same is true in the US. However, most in both countries are incredibly uninformed.

    The current government’s of both countries are doing their best to maintain this uninformed populace.

    What does such policies get? Incredible dysfunctional societies as we see in virus policies and in Ukraine. Both are the result of the left’s disinformation to enact their policies which sound appealing but cannot work.

    The US went from energy independence to one of Russia’s biggest customers in just over a year. So US ignorance literally fueled the Ukraine crisis. Canadian ignorance is also contributing to dysfunctional policies.

    Aside: Biden and Trudeau are puppets. Are two men actually pulling the strings for each: Klaus Schwab of the WEF and Larry Fink of BlackRock?

    BlackRock Inc. (BLK) is by some measures the biggest investment management company across the globe, with nearly $8.7 trillion in assets under management (AUM) as of Dec. 31, 2020

    More now and they control every large news organization in western world.

  14. 14
    jerry says:

    ESG and DIE scores are coming for everyone courtesy of Larry Fink and the largest financial power in world. He makes Bill Gates look like chump change.

    By the way Larry Fink and Vladimir Putin were born less than a month apart. Klaus Schwab is near 84 so has no personal ambitions but did found the WEF.

  15. 15
    Scamp says:

    Pat King, the most vocally racist of the protest organizers, has been denied bail.
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/twist-in-pat-king-bail-hearing-as-crown-raises-firearm-allegation

  16. 16
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @12,

    Policy incompetence and failure, acting together, cause a spreading, progressive, potentially deadly disease: voyage of folly.

    Reminds me of Rudyard Kipling’s 1919 poem, “The Gods of the Copybook Headings.” The “copybook headings” refer to proverbs or sayings printed in perfect handwriting at the top of the pages in a 19th century schoolchild’s notebook.

    The Gods Of The Copybook Headings
    As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

    We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
    That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
    But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
    So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

    We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
    Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
    But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
    That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

    With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
    They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
    They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
    So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

    When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

    On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

    In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
    By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
    But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

    Yes, 1919.

    -Q

  17. 17
    Querius says:

    Please notice that the U.S. is far more prepared for any unapproved freedom protests, which of course means that “freedom” must be a code word for racism and “justice” must be a code word for “white supremacy.”

    So instead of Canadian mounted police, here’s how the forgettable town of Doraville, Georgia (a fer bit north of Corndog, Georgia) is far more prepared with their police SWAT response! The training drill video is near the bottom of the page:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/13/tiny-georgia-police-department-posts-terrifying-swat-video/

    So, if for example, a First Nation clan leader in a wheel chair gets in the way, instead of simply trampling her and some other guy with horses, you can really teach people a lesson by permanently flattening them into pancakes or waffles.

    Of course, Washington D.C. has a much bigger budget–they will bring tanks! That will shut up any protesters, right?

    -Q

  18. 18
    jerry says:

    Pat King, the most vocally racist

    How was he racist?

  19. 19
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    An article written a month ago:
    The Globalist Reset Agenda Has Failed – Is Ukraine Plan B?

  20. 20
    KRock says:

    @Jerry (#18)

    “How was he racist?”

    He’s a racist because Scamp said he’s a racist; therefore he’s clearly a racist.

  21. 21
    Scamp says:

    KRock and Jerry at 20 and 18 respectively. Sorry, but when someone states that Anglo-saxons are the superior blood-line, they are too Hitleresque for my liking. Pat King has a long history on social media. Do a little research, like I did.

    Whereas Tamara Lech, the other organizer denied bail, does not appear to be motivated by racism or hatred. As far as I can see she is sincere and just got caught up in events, making some bad decisions.

  22. 22
    Querius says:

    Lieutenant Commander Data @19,
    Nice article, thanks.

    Conservatives are not “dying in the streets” like the lunatic liberals said would happen. In fact, millions of people have been LEAVING blue states and coming to red states just to be free.

    And I think that’s a major part of the problem. All of “darts” that didn’t stick go down the memory hole,
    never to be mentioned again. For example

    The Population Bomb is a 1968 book written by Stanford University Professor Paul R. Ehrlich and his wife, Anne Ehrlich. It predicted worldwide famine in the 1970s and 1980s due to overpopulation, as well as other major societal upheavals, and advocated immediate action to limit population growth. Fears of a “population explosion” existed in the 1950s and 1960s, but the book and its author brought the idea to an even wider audience.

    There were no repercussions when the alarmist scientific prediction failed to materialize.

    I do believe that the world’s ecosystem is being exploited, monetized, and destroyed, and it breaks my heart! But trillion-dollar bureaucracies do NOTHING to solve the problem, but simply expand and suppress people in the name of some worthy cause. Here are some others I can remember:

    – Eugenics (read and weep, https://www.history.com/topics/germany/eugenics)
    -The “Smokey the Bear” campaign (forest fire is part of natural succession in North America)
    – The coming ice age panic (the U.S. once considered nuking the poles to warm the earth)
    – The “hockey stick” prophecy (Michael Mann, Al Gore . . . multiple resets)
    – Running out of oil by 2000 (Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences)
    – Nearly everything promoted by the FDA
    – Nearly everything advocated by the CDC and mandated by governments regarding Covid-19

    There are even more failed political programs but they’re far too numerous even begin to list. Ok, I’ll mention one. The War on Poverty (U.S. President Lyndon Johnson). Obviously, poverty won that war.

    Failed educational experiments on children such as B.F. Skinner’s Behaviorism and many, many
    others that doomed many inner-city children to poverty and crime. The educational elite are unrepentant and remain unpunished.

    This is why the legacy media are keen on hiding all these failures–to avoid humiliation and to sell the same failures as “fresh new ideas” to the next generation of suckers.

    -Q

  23. 23
    Querius says:

    Scamp @21,

    Do a little research, like I did.

    What were your sources?

    -Q

  24. 24
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    What were your sources?

    Pat King. I always find it useful to go to the primary source.

  25. 25
    Querius says:

    Scamp @24,

    Agreed. What links did you use as your primary sources. There are hundreds of news stories and bogus “fact check” websites.

    -Q

  26. 26
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#21)

    Are you able to provide some credible links that substantiate your claim? A lot of people claimed that the big bad orange man was a racist after his Charlottesville comments. However, if you listen to his whole speech, and not just the 10 second clip CNN played over and over, then an entirely different picture emerges.

  27. 27
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#21)

    Also, how were Tamara Lech’s decisions bad? She was part of a peaceful protest.

  28. 28
    jerry says:

    Racism has emerged on two different threads even though it’s almost nonexistent in Western society.

    It is absolutely true that the modern world emerged in a small section of the world that was essentially one ethnic group. It did not emerge in the other similar ethnic groups nearby. But because of its success it did spread to these other ethnic groups quickly due to geography and culture similarities.

    Thus, it was confined within one ethnic group for a substantial time. Nothing to do with the ethnic group but rather to geography and cultural similarity.

    Now fast forward two hundred plus years and many other ethnic groups in the world are similarly advanced and the most impoverished of the world improving because the ideas and culture that caused the modern world have spread. But not everywhere.

    Many have seen certain ethnic groups lagging and their answer is not to change the culture of these groups but to destroy the culture of the dominant group. How that will help no one can explain with any logic or evidence.

    Now Mr King is wrong if he believes the European blood line is superior but he is absolutely right that there is an ongoing effort to destroy this ethnic group. And the ironic thing is that it is being driven mainly by members of this ethnic group.

    Now this seems completely stupid unless one believes there is something better to replace it.

    That something better is what this is all about. It’s not about C19, climate change, equity or the other nonsense they espouse.

    It is an irrational movement but they have convinced enough people of this irrationality to take over and try to implement massive changes through fear, shame and guilt.

    They don’t give a rat’s rear end about the poor, virus deaths or other health deaths or the current or future temperatures. They only care about control and fear and guilt are their weapons of choice.

    If they could, they would create massive shortages and threats to large numbers of people to get control. Their playbook is developing and implemented as they learn what works.

    That is what the truckers though they couldn’t articulate it were demonstrating over. Those who oppose the truckers are of three stripes, one unwittingly endorsing the irrational approach of the demented because they want calm in their nice lives. They say there are reasonable approaches to deal with unfairness so this is what should be done. The other two know exactly what is behind all the irrationality.

    These two groups are very different. One wants a world governance by the elite, the other wants a socio/economic system that cannot work. The first believes they will end up in control and the others can be dealt with easily. Neither has a plan that will work and the only result will be chaos and some temporary totalitarian state arising to take over.

  29. 29
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    This is why the legacy media are keen on hiding all these failures

    Hollywood spread some false ideas that unfortunately stay with us : “The legacy media as figher for truth”(jurnalists risk their life for truth 😆 ) , full of self heroes (batman, superman, spiderman , etc.), romantic love that last forever (in reality a hormonal activity that last 2-3 months) . All are false .

    Only 6 owners of all legacy media in the world should be an wake up call of the false idyllic image of media instilled by hollywood (the supreme place of “morality” in the world). Circle is closed.

  30. 30
  31. 31
    Scamp says:

    Querius@25, he has posted his beliefs o Twitter, YouTube, etc. you can easily find them. Here are a couple examples amongst many of his racist and bigoted beliefs.

    https://twitter.com/diddybopper64/status/1494922545417666561?s=21

    https://youtu.be/2zzJXZWMk00

  32. 32
    William J Murray says:

    LCD @29 said:

    Hollywood spread some false ideas that unfortunately stay with us : … romantic love that last forever (in reality a hormonal activity that last 2-3 months)

    Hmm. Makes it kind of hard to explain how mine has lasted 32 years so far, and how it is I know hundreds of other other people for whom it has lasted much longer than that.

    Perhaps you’re just not doing it right. Or, perhaps you just haven’t met the right person.

  33. 33
    jerry says:

    Here are a couple examples amongst many of his racist and bigoted beliefs

    You just posted two links that are not racists. He complaining about others coming after white people.

    So he accusing others of racism. The question is are his comments true or not?

    What caused the rise of racism claims. Here is a cartoon that first appeared in 2011 just after the failure of Occupy Wall Street

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/0-1.png

    I posted on another thread the link that documented when the rise of racism claims in the US began. Before that it wasn’t a major thing in the news.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133440945201061888.html

    Racism claims are a bogus issue but some believe it gains traction with others so they make these fake claims.

  34. 34
    jerry says:

    What changed the Trudeau government. They almost caused a massive bank failure in Canada.

    https://americanwirenews.com/trudeaus-emergency-act-sent-a-shockwave-through-the-cryptocurrency-world/

    This is probably a dry run by the WEF as they figure out how to close loop holes so that people cannot not withdraw their money from the banks.

  35. 35
    Querius says:

    Scamp @31,
    Thanks for the links.

    Yes, I vehemently disagree with Pat King regarding some imaginary plot to “depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race.” The Anglo-Saxons aren’t a race, of course, but three Germanic tribes that invaded Britain and later Canada (among other places), displacing the First Nations there.

    Instead of Pat King’s tirade, I prefer the profoundly wiser assertion of Martin Luther King, “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by their character.”

    Nevertheless, Pat King has a right to his opinions in a free society and, as a Canadian trucker, also has a right to make known his grievances along with many other Canadian truckers in a peaceful protest to deaf ears–or at least once did before Canada suspended their Charter under cover of an “emergency” and is no longer bound by due process.

    If the Canadian government can now freeze bank accounts, seize trucks, revoke licenses, compel tow truck operators, import foreign troops to help keep order–all without due process–and make “mischief” into a serious crime, they can pretty much do anything, including arresting opposing MPs for “aiding and abetting” for a start.

    So, I’m sorry to hear that Pat King believes such stupid things, but it’s a pity that the Canadian government has now become famously intolerant and brutal to anyone who objects to their policies.

    -Q

  36. 36
    KRock says:

    @Querius (#35)

    Hear, hear. I couldn’t agree more.

  37. 37
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Yes, I vehemently disagree with Pat King regarding some imaginary plot to “depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race.” The Anglo-Saxons aren’t a race, of course, but three Germanic tribes that invaded Britain and later Canada (among other places), displacing the First Nations there.

    Yes, but he first said “white race” before changing it to “Anglo-Saxon”. And he clearly said it was the superior bloodline.

    Nevertheless, Pat King has a right to his opinions in a free society…

    And I have the right to call him out on his opinions.

    …and, as a Canadian trucker, also has a right to make known his grievances along with many other Canadian truckers in a peaceful protest…

    Agreed.

    …to deaf ears–

    Not giving him the benefit of justifying his opinions by granting him an “audience” is not the same as them falling on deaf ears.

    …or at least once did before Canada suspended their Charter under cover of an “emergency” and is no longer bound by due process

    Their charter rights were never suspended. They evolved a peaceful legal protest to an illegal occupation. No citizen has ever had the right to camp out on city streets and harass other citizens at all hours of the day. He was arrested, charged and now undergoing due process.

    If the Canadian government can now freeze bank accounts, seize trucks, revoke licenses, compel tow truck operators, import foreign troops to help keep order…

    I have never agreed with the use of the emergency act. But I am fine with seizing bank accounts following the issuing of warrants. And, it turns out, the claims of citizens’ bank accounts being frozen simply for donating to the crowd-funding campaigns have not been able to be confirmed.

    The tow operators would be in breach of contract if they refused to tow the trucks. The emergencies act wasn’t required. The initial refusal to do this was out of fear for their safety, not out of sympathy with the protesters.

    With regard to seizing their trucks, the police have always had the right to seize property used in the commission of a crime. Again, the emergencies act was not required. Once they decided to occupy the streets, they were committing a crime by which their trucks could be seized. But, in spite of this, the police gave truckers the opportunity to leave without being charged or their trucks seized. For those who refused to leave, there are consequences. Consequences that they were informed about in advance.

  38. 38
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#31)

    I think it’s a stretch to call Pat King a racist based on the two links you provided. Are his comments a tad bit offside? I’d certainly say so. But I’m not sure they warrant being labeled a racist.

  39. 39
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    jerry says:

    King did not say “superior” bloodline. He said “strongest” bloodline. That could mean a lot of things but not necessarily superior.

    There is very strong evidence that whites are being attacked in school systems all over the country and I understand in Canada too. And other ethnic groups are being favored over whites.

    Depopulation may be too strong a condemnation of the racism King has identified but this racism/favoritism that he has identified does exist.

    I find it funny that King is talking about racism of others and then gets accused of being a racist. It may be true that he is but the two clips don’t show that. And he is definitely identifying racism in others though he is not educated enough to describe it clearly.

  41. 41
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc,

    it seems that you are quite intent on creating a toxic diversion by accusing of racism. I will comment for record, coming from a Caribbean context so we can set aside the usual counter points from the outset.

    As for the individual you have focussed on, I suggest that he has oddball ideas, but there is a point in the close neighbourhood that is more than disturbing enough to give pause: population bomb thinking tied to so called intersectionality (as Vivid so eloquently exposed and as was headlined a few days back).

    You were, of course, conspicuously absent there, telling, given where you pop up and what you have repeatedly tried to do.

    First, there is notoriously a notion on over population that wants to take down the world population, as is reflected in say Bill Gates’ notorious video remark on using VACCINES to reduce the world population by 15% below a projection otherwise. Some have spoken of 2 bn, others 200 mn. In that context, we can notice how fecundity rates have fallen to well below 2.3 or so — inter alia in Europe and North America — and how apart from a few isolated figures, there has been conspicuous silence by dominant media narrative voices. Of course, that points to catastrophic and uncontrolled population collapse, but it extends far and wide, e.g. middle classes in the Caribbean, Japan’s similar collapse, China’s 1 child per family policy and its brutal enforcement, etc.

    Then, there is the ongoing holocaust of our living posterity in the womb, 800+ million — believable statistics suggest 1.4 billion — and mounting at another million per week.

    There is plenty misanthropy to go around already, and in circles connected to serious power.

    Mix in cultural marxism driven intersectionality, which targets the heritage of Christendom, implying policies that promote hostility towards

    – the gospel and its ethics [cf. nonsense on right wing Christofascist theocracy etc],
    – the Christian faith more broadly (think, how Dawkins etc were widely feted with their ill tempered, utterly unbalanced new atheism fulminations),
    – the heritage of Christianity influenced culture (e.g. 1619 project and so called critical race theory, etc)
    – the culture-class prejudice that targets in the US those so called bitter clingers to God, guns and the like, predominantly small town and rural, working and lower middle class whites,
    – Linked blame the target projections of racism,
    – much of the attitude promoted regarding Mr Trump and his supporters or sympathisers, starting with the Charlottesville racism smear that is sustained in the face of readily accessible facts,
    – the patently nonsensical rejection of reasonable border controls even during a pandemic,
    -and more.

    Once is accident, twice, coincidence, three times, enemy action. And we are well past that into long train of abuses and usurpations territory.

    So, kindly lay aside your toxic distraction Sc and deal with the reality of elites behaving in outrageous ways that call for serious and sustained objection. I start with, as there is and has been for 1 1/2+ years, a growing list of effective treatments using repurposed drugs, there is a false dilemma between a train of shots using experimental and unusually risky vaccines vs you irresponsible anti vaxxers. Two years of officialdom pushing dubious talking points, media bias, smears and censorship, now financial attacks and obvious persecution are more than enough.

    In this thread we should have been if anything discussing the polarisation by false dilemma and how there is a clear third option. Thanks to your distractive polarising rhetoric, we are not talking say Malone and McCullough etc but an utter irrelevancy on racism.

    Shame on you for enabling behaviour.

    I call on you to cease and desist forthwith.

    KF

  42. 42
    kairosfocus says:

    PS, for record, here is the linked transcript, which directly implies that Mr Biden et al owe a big public apology that has not been forthcoming for years:

    Reporter: (Inaudible) “… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the –”

    Trump: “Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides — I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.”

    Reporter: “The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest –”

    Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

    Reporter: “George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.”

    Trump: “George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down — excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?”

    Reporter: “I do love Thomas Jefferson.”

    Trump: “Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

    “So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

    “Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.”

    Reporter: “Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying.”

    Trump: “No, no. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people — neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

    “But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest — because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country — a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

    The real story is agenda serving media bias, misreporting and smearing. But that does not fit the narrative and instead of duties to truth, right reason, warrant and wider prudence, fairness etc, we see a sustained false agit prop narrative.

    And, years later, its enablers are still pushing such lies and slanders while ignoring very serious issues and questions that would be uncomfortable for their patent agendas.

    Telling.

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    kairosfocus says:

    PPS, on fair comment, Sc, five years later you look a lot like you are enabling much the same smear tactics. There is a legitimate grievance, there are serious policy alternatives, there has been oppressive abuse by largely unaccountable elites, there has been refusal to seriously address remonstrance. That must not be distracted from through red herrings, ad hom laced strawmen and hostile rhetoric that sets those strawmen alight to cloud, poison, confuse and polarise the atmosphere.

  44. 44
    Scamp says:

    Truckers recovering their trucks from impound.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKsxyoWtg-M

  45. 45
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    As for the individual you have focussed on, I suggest that he has oddball ideas,…

    Anti-Muslim, anti-semetism, anti-Asian and anti-Sikh rants are not “oddball” ideas. Why are you so afraid of calling them what they are? Hatred.

    Pat King impresses me as the type of person who blames anyone but himself for every misfortune he has suffered throughout his life. If this is the type of guy that the protesters want to rally around, and I have not heard any of the protesters distance themselves from him, then don’t be surprised when the entire group gets painted with the same brush.

    You are quick to lump a person into one of your despised groups (Darwinist, materialist, relativist, progressive, Marxist, nihilist, socialist, whatever) if they express a single view that you feel fits into one of these labels, regardless of their views on everything else. Yet when a person who supports a position on something that you do (COVID restrictions), you are willing to turn a blind eye to their blatant racism.

    Shame on you for enabling behaviour.

    I call on you to cease and desist forthwith.

  46. 46
    Scamp says:

    Recent comments from one of the organizers that was granted bail.

    https://twitter.com/tracy09968604/status/1497782766615732224?s=21

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    Querius says:

    Great observations, Kairosfocus–thank you!

    In the video of truckers recovering their trucks from impound, it was so sad to see the deliberate damage, tumbled contents, and theft to the impounded trucks such as leaving the windows down to let snow cover the inside of the cabs and leaving trucks running until they ran out of fuel and the batteries died. At least the Canadian authorities didn’t sabotage the impounded trucks as occurred elsewhere–cutting cables and hoses, which is criminal and potentially lethal.

    I’m sure such mean-spirited actions by the Canadian authorities will not be forgotten and neither will the displays of police brutality and the flood of lies perpetrated by the government and complicit media. The trust of the Canadian people in their Fascist governing authorities, their police, and the Canadian banks has been destroyed. But at least it’s in the open now for all to see.

    Watch this and weep:
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1495309038501830657

    But the truckers in the video were chipper, resourceful, and mutually supportive. That was so refreshing to see! What a great, can-do attitude!

    From scanning hours of live feeds, I saw nothing but a friendly celebration of the desire to be free from unreasonable mandates. I saw zero words or acts of hatred or racism by the truckers, but rather a come-together party atmosphere with people of ALL colors and ethnic backgrounds.

    The lesson that I learned is that many Canadian politicians simply aim to divide and set people against each other. No acts of vengeance, cruelty, and deceit is beneath them. And even when caught on video, they remain unapologetic and vile. Shame on them forever!

    -Q

  48. 48
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, more of the same from you. Surely, you can do better. Meanwhile, Q has continued to address real issues. You clearly have surprising problems with politicians, officials and police in Canada that need to be addressed before they trigger a deterioration that may seem like it cannot happen here. kindly, be reminded on abundant history, the natural state of government is lawless oligarchy. KF

    PS, Oddball is a euphemism, as should be clear; I am not associating with unbalanced [pendulum at an extreme sense], eccentric notions. However as I laid out there are indeed some serious issues on the table that you ducked predictably. Note too that I am not attacking personalities — oh how you love to resort to Alinsky’s personalise and polarise — but identifying definite movements, their ideas and policy thought, which I have specifically addressed above. Those are real, they are destructive, they need to be addressed.

  49. 49
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Scamp
    [Scamp] impresses me as the type of person who blames anyone but himself for every misfortune he has suffered throughout his life.

    Yep. You and all leftists ,the philosophy of helplessness that beg for a nanny-government to protect you from evil and the unjust world. Weak and whiny people need an alibi to move the blame from themselves to everybody else . 😆

  50. 50
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Note too that I am not attacking personalities — oh how you love to resort to Alinsky’s personalise and polarise

    It is amusing that you claim that you are not attacking personalities, and then attack a personality. All in the same sentence.

  51. 51
    chuckdarwin says:

    Jerry @ 28
    I think it is naive to claim that racism is “almost nonexistent” in Western society today. It is simply more subtle. Voter suppression, differential criminal sentencing, sub-standard schools and high unemployment, inhumane immigration enforcement, are just a few ways that racism is perpetuated. We may not be lynching African Americans or burning crosses on their property, but the sentiment is still very much there. Racism, like poverty, hunger and disease will always stalk us.

  52. 52
    Scamp says:

    LCD:
    Yep. You and all leftists ,the philosophy of helplessness that beg for a nanny-

    If dismissing someone’s opinions by assigning a label to them is the only way you can make an argument then you have no argument.

  53. 53
    Scamp says:

    Chuckdarwin@51, very good point.

    It has been my experience that we are all inherently prejudiced. Probably due to our tribal origins. Acknowledging this is the best way to address it. Those who deny their prejudice tend to be the ones who are most demonstrably racist because their denial of prejudice does not allow for an acknowledgement that their first impressions of anyone who is different might be incorrect. You can see this pathology in Pat King’s denials that he is racist, or him saying “don’t take this the wrong way,” and then following it up with statements that can only be interpreted as racist.

    But this is off tangent. My points about Pat King’s obvious racism were not a condemnation of the trucker protest. All large protests attract fringe “crazies”. However, what they have to own is the fact that nobody in the protest has vocally distanced themselves from Pat King or his views.

  54. 54
    jerry says:

    very good point

    You have to understand a little history. ChuckDarwin has rarely made sense so this just another instance of nonsense from him.

    Essentially he said racism is invisible but believe him it’s there.

    Yes, but he first said “white race” before changing it to “Anglo-Saxon”. And he clearly said it was the superior bloodline

    My points about Pat King’s obvious racism

    Did King actually speak the truth and is being called racist because he did

    It seems to be that the fixation on white race is with the left. See

    Abolish the White Race

    https://www.harvardmagazine.com/sites/default/files/pdf/2002/09-pdfs/0902-30.pdf

    I could provide thousands of other examples. So Pat King is just reliably reporting the racism out there and for that is being called a racist. That this is being ignored is interesting.

    Again I remind you that he did not say “superior” and you have not corrected your comment.

    By the way I have a strong European bloodline. I can trace back all my great grandparents to European countries. Nothing necessarily superior about it except the culture there transmitted to their children influenced many of my choices in life.

  55. 55
    chuckdarwin says:

    Scamp @ 53
    I agree. Protests are like magnets for fringe types. They don’t care what the purpose of the protest is. Even going back to the Vietnam era, every anti-war protest, no matter how peaceful, would attract provocateurs and crashers intent (as Andy Warhol observed) on getting their 15 minutes of fame whether by burning a ROTC building or tossing rocks at the police…

    Jerry @ 54
    If I said its daytime, you’d say it was night. If I said tomato, you’d say tomahto, yada, yada, yada….

  56. 56
    Scamp says:

    ChuckDarwin, what I find sad is that many of the truckers who were arrested, if convicted, will permanently lose there ability to cross the border for work or for pleasure. Some may see them as martyrs to the cause, but I see them as misguided people who were manipulated into this by a handful of organizers.

    But there is one thing I do find amusing about this whole thing. Pat King repeatedly said that he would not leave Ottawa until all the COVID restrictions were lifted. Given that he has been denied bail, and the snail’s pace of the Canadian court system, he will likely get to keep his promise.

  57. 57
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @48

    . . . kindly, be reminded on abundant history, the natural state of government is lawless oligarchy. KF

    Exactly. Anyone who studies any history knows this to be true. Consider Arnold Toynbee’s examination of the cycle between empire and warring states. Just as wealth accumulates wealth, power accumulates power in a sort of socio-political equivalent of gravity.

    Capitalist/fascist mega-corporations scheme to consolidate markets and to stifle free-market economics and free-enterprise challenges (for example, read Tim Wu’s book, The Master Switch).

    Similarly, godless behaviors manifest in institutional religious hierarchies. Consider the rebukes Jesus delivered against the Jewish religious authorities AND his own disciples (!) regarding their ambitions.

    -Q

  58. 58
    Querius says:

    Lieutenant Commander Data @49,

    the philosophy of helplessness that beg for a nanny-government to protect you from evil and the unjust world.

    Yeah, you can really count on governments to “take care of you.”

    This typically consists of standing in line for hours and substandard care such as the scandal exposed in U.S. VA hospitals, grossly substandard U.S. public education, and currently U.S. state and federal prisons, which includes massive overcrowding, solitary confinement, unhealthy food, and terrible health care.

    Yeah, they’ll take care of you all right—as their prisoners and slaves.

    Weak and whiny people need an alibi to move the blame from themselves to everybody else.

    Yep. And such people and their tears get the widest possible exposure, while egregious government abuses usually remain hushed up.

    NOTE: Many individuals in governmental agencies that I’ve dealt with were conscientious and dedicated, but often suppressed by policy or overruled by their superiors.

    -Q

  59. 59
    chuckdarwin says:

    What’s that quote? Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely……. 🙂

  60. 60
    Querius says:

    Chuckdarwin,

    It’s one of the quotes by Lord Acton (1834-1902):

    On the subject of power and authority, he wrote the following:

    “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you super add the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.”

    “Despotic power is always accompanied by corruption of morality.”

    “Authority that does not exist for Liberty is not authority but force.”

    “Everybody likes to get as much power as circumstances allow, and nobody will vote for a self-denying ordinance.”

    “Absolute power demoralizes.”

    He also wrote down his incisive observations on liberty and several related topics. They have “aged well” over more than a century.

    -Q

  61. 61
    jerry says:

    It’s one of the quotes by Lord Acton

    I don’t think Lord Acton knew how to use PowerPoint.

  62. 62
    kairosfocus says:

    Folks, predictably, the distraction continues. Consider it proof that those desperate to distract have no cogent answer on merits but fear what would happen if a critical mass begin to see things clearly. Already, we see simultaneously,

    [a] abuse of a pandemic response revealing misanthropic, jacobin tendencies that suppressed efective treatments to herd us into a false dilemma between known risky experimental vaccines and marginalisation as racist antivaxxers [it doesn’t even make sense], and

    [b] spreading geostrategic failure as within six months we have seen two positions collapse, with a third [Taiwan] already nearing the boil.

    That is a mark of the same sort of incompetence and malaise we were seeing in the post Vietnam 1970’s, that ended when Thatcher, Reagan and John Paul II made common cause and stood firmly against the “Evil Empire” — oh, the noise that was made over such language! — leading to its collapse at the turn of the 90’s.

    So, it is time to realise that the progressivist, apostate, radically anti-Christ, self-congratulatory Western establishment is again running true to incompetent form. So, we know who have visibly failed, and can seek better leadership and better voices to point to the way forward.

    For sure, the answer to pandemics is not an endless train of risky shots — we are on shot 4 in a year or so already, a telling sign — but the normal one with respiratory viruses going endemic. Treatments [and with Uttar Pradesh vs Israel on the table we have census-level results as to what works and what is accumulating needless exposure to risk], with targetted protection of the highly vulnerable. We clearly need to dismantle the growing apparatus of oligarchy and it is time for serious investigations.

    On the geostrategic front, unfortunately, it is likely that a big price is going to be paid.

    KF

    KF

  63. 63
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @62,

    Yes, yep, and yep!

    And here’s a example of the ongoing racism practiced by the fascist government of Canada (that I wasn’t aware of):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7UFa-3m7uM

    And Trudeau dares to call the protesting truckers misogynistic, fascist, and racist? Wow!

    -Q

  64. 64
  65. 65
    KRock says:

    @Scamp (#52)

    “If dismissing someone’s opinions by assigning a label to them is the only way you can make an argument then you have no argument.”

    Pot meet Kettle!

  66. 66
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    A gelato shop owner speaks out

    I am a frequent customer of Stella Luna. I highly recommend their two shops.

  67. 67
    Querius says:

    Apparently unlike most European countries, Canada hasn’t closed Russian flights in Canadian air space nor has the Canadian government taken action to freeze Russian bank accounts.

    However, some of these people sort of look familiar–are they Canadian police on loan? Notice that they now politely use buses for the comfort of the protesters and have become significantly less confrontational:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtIQMLsxaW8&t=57s

    -Q

  68. 68
    jerry says:

    Meanwhile the US truckers motor on. So far they have raised a million and half dollars.

    Today they are in Oklahoma.

    https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/

  69. 69
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Apparently unlike most European countries, Canada hasn’t closed Russian flights in Canadian air space nor has the Canadian government taken action to freeze Russian bank accounts.

    I think your information might be a bit outdated.

  70. 70
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Trudeau kneel for BLM(a terorist organisation managed by globalists ) and refused to speak with simple workers (because they want freedom?) . Trudeau despises the simple people .
    Trudeau: We believe in importance of dialoque…with BLM
    Trudeau paid BLM ( globalist agenda)

  71. 71
    Querius says:

    Scamp @69,
    Yes, you’re absolutely right! I found that Canada has now closed it’s air space to Russian flights and frozen 58 accounts of individuals and entities, which I applaud.

    But not only that, here’s an update . . .

    TORONTO — Canada will send an additional $25 million worth of defensive military equipment to Ukraine in an effort to help the country defend against Russia’s invasion. Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly says the equipment includes helmets, body armor, gas masks and night-vision gear.

    The timing is excellent since the equipment is now no longer needed to combat Canadian truckers.

    -Q

  72. 72
  73. 73
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @72,

    An absolutely brilliant and hilarious response! Thanks for the link.

    And here’s a “mainstream media” reporter being educated:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXm8VL6tGYw

    -Q

  74. 74
  75. 75
    Scamp says:

    This is worth watching.
    https://youtu.be/DeTsQQ22Uwc

  76. 76
    Querius says:

    Apparently, the fascist Canadian government is intolerant of religious freedom, treating God’s command to Christians in contempt.

    Here’s the Fox news article published today (2/27/2022):

    Last June, [U.S. Senator] Hawley sent a letter to the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) urging it to consider adding Canada to its watch list. The letter came after Pastor Tim Stephens of Calgary was arrested for the second time when a police helicopter found his Fairview Baptist Church gathering outside.

    Since the pandemic, other churches in Canada have faced imprisoned pastors, locked facilities, steep fines and continued interference from government officials.

    Pawlowski was arrested for the fifth time since the pandemic on Feb. 8, just days after the pastor delivered a 20-minute speech to the truckers in Coutts, Alberta, during which he urged them to “hold the line” against government overreach without resorting to violence.

    A Crown prosecutor alleged that Pawlowski’s speech to the truckers was an “overt threat to violence,” according to the CBC, though Pawlowski explicitly told the truckers twice not to resort to violence, according to video of his remarks.

    Since then, more than 10,000 people have signed a letter urging Congress to introduce a resolution condemning the treatment of Pawlowski, who was denied bail twice and has spent much of his time in solitary confinement.

    According to regular updates relayed to his family from prison and posted to his Facebook page, Pawlowski thanked his supporters for their prayers and recounted how some of his fellow inmates have been seeking him out for spiritual guidance.

    “I can feel your prayers, and they keep me strong,” the pastor said last Monday. “God allows me to be here for a witness to the entire world, to show what happens when you kick God out of your nation. Lawlessness, injustice, abuse of power and corruption creeped in.

    “I am here to be a witness to the prisoners,” he continued. “I have witnessed to them in the most personal way and have become one of them, and because of that, I have been blessed every day with an opportunity to tell them about Jesus. In the end, to be able to do that, it has all been worth it.”
    In an update posted to his Facebook on Sunday, Pawlowski said Canadian truckers have joined the regular vigils outside the Calgary Remand Centre protesting his imprisonment, which he said has “amazed” his fellow prisoners and offered him the opportunity to share his faith with them.

    “It created an atmosphere of openness and when you left I was able to share part of my testimony with the prisoners. After I prayed with them, two of them repented from their sins and gave their lives to Jesus. I pray that many more lives would be transformed while I am here,” Pawlowski said.

    The pastor’s next bail hearing is scheduled for March 11.

    I don’t think this will turn out well for the fascist Canadian government as they continue to target people of faith.

    -Q

  77. 77
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Kairosfocus
    JCW has interesting reading https://www.scifiwright.com/2022/02/saluting-a-cryptocurrency-company/

    Vladimir Lenin : “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”.

  78. 78
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, that guy in the red check jacket was sobering: we don’t speak baton, we don’t speak tear gas, we speak English and French. The reason we were here for four weeks is because no-one spoke to us. They called it an occupation. And more. KF

  79. 79
  80. 80
    Seversky says:

    William J Murray/79

    Have you been completely misled about vaccines?
    https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-smallpox-pandemic-response-was?utm_source=url

    You have if you believe the likes of Dr Suzanne Humphries.

  81. 81
    Scamp says:

    Auerius@76, being a pastor doesn’t give a person the right to break laws or violate public health directives.

  82. 82
    Silver Asiatic says:

    KF @ 78 – thanks for highlighting that. I would have missed it. An outstanding young man – direct and clear.

  83. 83
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    Pastors point to a higher law.

  84. 84
    jerry says:

    Have you been completely misled about vaccines?

    I wonder what the press’s and left’s reaction to the vaccines would have been if Trump had been elected?

    After all, they argued against it while he was President.

  85. 85
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    Pastors point to a higher law.

    So, a pastor is free to break any law he wants to. Got it. I guess that explains the church covering up pedophile priests. Or Adulterous pastors. Or embezzling pastors. They were just pointing to a higher law.

  86. 86
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    So, a pastor is free to break any law he wants to. Got it. I guess that explains the church covering up pedophile priests. Or Adulterous pastors. Or embezzling pastors. They were just pointing to a higher law.

    No, I don’t think you’ve got it. Adulterous pastors were not pointing to a higher law.

  87. 87
    Scamp says:

    SA, in my comment that pastors must obey the law and public health directives, you responded that they point to a higher law. I just wanted to understand your point. Are you suggesting that they don’t have to obey the laws? Or are you saying that they can pick and choose what laws to obey?

  88. 88
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    you responded that they point to a higher law. I just wanted to understand your point. Are you suggesting that they don’t have to obey the laws? Or are you saying that they can pick and choose what laws to obey?

    Ok, fair enough.
    There are three levels of law. The Civil Law. The natural Law. And the Divine, revealed Law.
    The civil law is the lowest level of authority. It can and must be over-ridden by higher laws when there’s a conflict.
    An example can help:
    You asked about pastors. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was the pastor Dexter Avenue King Memorial Baptist Church.
    Dr. King broke the civil law in Birmingham Alabama. In fact, he wrote one of his most famous works from the Birmingham Jail.
    Some people probably asked “Does the pastor not have to obey any laws? Or can he pick and choose what laws to obey?”
    But Dr. King pointed to a higher law – as I said. In this case, he could point to the Divine Revealed law of the Gospel that all humans should be treated equally and not discriminated against because of the color of their skin.
    Or, he could just have said a higher law is the natural law, known to the human conscience – which for one this is the Golden Rule. Treat others as you would wish to be treated.
    So, in both cases – a higher law takes precedence over the Civil Law.
    We find people breaking the civil law for religious reasons throughout the world , wherever governments oppress human rights or religious freedom.
    So, just saying “you have to obey the law” is something that atheistic governments say because they do not believe in a higher law.

  89. 89
    jerry says:

    From Unacceptable CanadianGirl

    So l guess everyone owes Dr. Robert Malone, Alex Berenson, Dr. Peter McCullough, Jordan Peterson & Joe Rogan an apology?

    5400 RT’s and 31,000 likes in 4 hours.

    https://twitter.com/AreOhEssEyeEe/status/1498313867033731082

  90. 90
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, when rum shops can freely meet but churches are locked down for years — when all along evidence is, treatments are a better option, cf now Uttar Pradesh vs Israel — something has gone wrong. One of the key things we see is that public health and similar laws can be grossly abused to suppress potential centres of independence of Govt, the churches. note, the trucker’s complaint that oh you are lawless demonstration distracts from the refusal to hear them for about a month. The constant harping on you are lawless irresponsible whatevers misses a huge issue: not all done under colour of law and good order is lawful, is properly required to defend the due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. Freedom of assembly and of expression including petition for redress and petition to God (as well as nurture under principles of moral government and godliness, as well as of prophetic critique) are FUNDAMENTAL rights that are readily undermined through manipulation of regulations. This becomes the more glaring as it is ever clearer that officialdom have been locking us up in a false dilemma. Also, as we have seen lock downs, lock outs, censorship, scapegoating, targetting and outright abuses such as financial confiscation and police over reaction. We need to look hard at what has been happening under colours of pandemic response and “the science,” and set things right. In Canada and across the world. KF

  91. 91
    Querius says:

    SilverAsiatic @88 and Kairosfocus @90,

    Well stated!

    Scamp @85,
    No, Christians obey the civil law whenever possible unless it conflicts with our conscience, natural law, or a higher law. The apostle Paul addressed matters of conscience when writing his letters, including drinking wine and eating meat sacrificed to idols.

    When the state doesn’t recognize the higher laws, they usually resort to immediate violence as we see in Canada where, for example, the pastor of a church was arrested on two occasions when he met with the church out-of-doors.

    Pastor Artur’s latest arrest was for violating a court order against speaking in public. As a pastor, he is obligated to follow the higher law regardless of whether Canadian judges or the PM act as if they’re the only god of the Canadian people. Good luck with that.

    In such cases, civil disobedience is mandatory–as was the case with Martin Luther King. Would you also have objected to his contemporaneously illegal fight for racial justice?

    What about applying your objection to the civil disobedience in Canada by First Nations protesters?

    -Q

  92. 92
    Scamp says:

    SA@88, I agree that MLK was a heroic individual. A role model for all. But MLK never put his own parishioners at risk by flaunting public health directives. And I doubt very much that he ever would have.

    The demographics of most church parishioners is such that they have a higher proportion of people at higher risk from COVID than the general population.

    What people fail to mention is that the vast majority of churches accepted gathering limits for what they were intended; an effort to reduce and slow the spread of COVID to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system.

    This pastor is definitely no MLK.

  93. 93
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, we are coming full circle to what was so violently resisted when I put it on the table some months back. Perhaps, i/l/o real world cases, we can more fully recognise the value, validity and soundness of the self evident, branch on which we all sit, so inescapably binding, first duties of right reason, core, built in law of our morally governed nature. Namely, the ciceronian first duties:

    1st – to truth,
    2nd – to right reason,
    3rd – to prudence [including warrant],
    4th – to sound conscience,
    5th – to neighbour; so also,
    6th – to fairness and
    7th – to justice
    [ . . .]
    xth – etc
    .

    Note, especially, sound conscience, duly guided by the other principles. Where, the point is, that no one can justly compel another to taint sound conscience, i.e. one’s awareness of fundamental duties, thus of rights, freedoms and justice. Any man-made regulations that violate these canons are automatically fallacious, invalid, chaotic, likely unjust.

    So, when we see what has been going on at hands of officialdom, in the name of pandemic response and science, we have reason to be seriously concerned that inconvenient truth is being smeared as misinformation, reasonable people are being censored and maligned — defamed in fact [yes, tort applies], policing and regulation are serving increasingly lawless oligarchy, and the complicit media and chattering classes are enabling folly or even evils.

    It is time for a serious rethink and better choices.

    KF

  94. 94
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, do you not see that the measures being pushed and compelled have been of questionable public health effect? Do you not see that masks are more of a social signal than an effective remedy and that the six foot rule clearly did not work? Or, that effectively locking people down from their livelihood did enormous damage? Etc? Is it not obvious that a serious alternative, the growing number of effective treatments, was marginalised and stigmatised without good reason? The misrepresentation of Ivermectin as toxic horse worm medicine without credible effect is an outstanding case in point. Note here the census level results of Uttar Pradesh vs Israel now on jab no 4. Is it not plain that we have been corralled into a false dilemma? Is it not manifest that officialdom overreached and violated fundamental rights, smearing those who begged to differ? BTW, were the same officials and media who overreacted to outdoors church services similarly exercised in 2020 when there was a wave of protests? Do you not see that censoring a pastor from speaking is a gross violation of rights, right up there with financial confiscation, damaging livelihood, or even trampling protesters through using cavalry rides into protesters or clubbing and kicking protesters etc? (All on video and linked in discussions.) Your enabling continues. KF

  95. 95
    Querius says:

    Scamp @92,

    What about applying your objection to the civil disobedience in Canada by First Nations protesters?

    I guess you’re dodging that issue, but I appreciate that you could get arrested in Canada for the wrong answer.

    The chance of catching Covid-19 out doors is virtually nil due to virus dispersion and rapid degradation from solar radiation. A person also needs a certain “viral load” to catch the disease. But apparently the Canadian authorities only “follow the science” when it’s in their interests.

    A role model for all. But MLK never put his own parishioners at risk by flaunting public health directives. And I doubt very much that he ever would have.

    I guess you aren’t aware of the “public health” risks African-American church goers in the south endured, including “lead poisoning” and being burned alive:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches

    -Q

  96. 96
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @92,
    True and I’d be tempted to classify them according to a hierarchy, On top would be religious mandates such as Torah for Jews. Natural law covers many others including life, liberty, property, due process, equality under the law, the pursuit of happiness, matters of conscience, and so on.

    -Q

  97. 97
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    What people fail to mention is that the vast majority of churches accepted gathering limits …

    In a civilized place, minorities still have rights.
    I think KF made the point. Liquor stores were not shut down and were considered “essential services”.
    Pastors believe that access to religious care is more important than having access to liquor (or at least as much so). In my faith tradition, pastors implement sacramental care which has value (for believers) far beyond anything else.
    That’s why governments should respect religious freedom – especially governments in historically-Christian environments where this sort of value system is well-known and has been a fabric of the society for centuries.

  98. 98
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Querius

    I guess you aren’t aware of the “public health” risks African-American church goers in the south endured, including “lead poisoning” and being burned alive:

    Excellent point. The protests were considered instigations and were not only illegal but brought violence and physical harm on the parishioners. But MLK and others risked this because the values they were defending were of the greatest importance. It’s the same with pastors now.

  99. 99
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    I guess you’re dodging that issue, but I appreciate that you could get arrested in Canada for the wrong answer.

    I’m not dodging it. I’m just not certain what you are asking. Are you referring to their protests over the church run residential schools? Protests over pipelines being built on their land? Protests over the fact that they can’t drink the water? Protests over repeated treaty violations?

    I am not opposed to civil disobedience. I am opposed to any illegal actions intentionally intended to cause the suffering of innocent people. If there are any indigenous protests that meet this standard then I am opposed to them. Did you have any in mind?

    Maybe our disagreements have to do with what my parents taught me over 60 years ago. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And taking out your perceived wrongs on innocent people is not right. It’s just selfish immaturity.

  100. 100
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @94,
    Good points and well said.

    I’ve been keeping up with the published studies, including several that demonstrate the amazing efficacy of gargling, swishing, and rinsing with 0.5% povidone iodine (aka PVP-I) both as a prevention and treatment of Covid-19. I’ve purchased it in bulk, dilute it from the common 10% solution.

    The suppression of effective treatments by the CDC and the hysterically partisan media constitute medical malpractice and misinformation. Mandatory and coerced injections are a violation of the Nuremberg Code that was used to convict, imprison, and in some cases hang Nazi medical doctors and administrators.

    I don’t see how our current situation is any different now, not to mention the illegal (thank you, President Obama) gain-of-function research that was funded and off-shored by the U.S. to China.

    -Q

  101. 101
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, the talk points are past sell by date. As the official narrative unravels, we will more and more see what officialdom sought to marginalise. Of course, it would have been interesting to hear your remarks on the pandemic significance of the protests riots etc of 2020 and the attitude of much the same officialdom by contrast with how you have spoken of churches, but the side stepping itself carries significance. As for the marginalised treatments, Uttar Pradesh is a standing rebuke to the official narrative and party line. KF

  102. 102
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, the gain of function, lab leak and early containment issues are cases in point where we need to look beyond officialdom. KF

    PS, as there may be pouncing on, the Code was written after the Doctor Trials. It sums up the lessons and yes too much of what has happened looks dubious in its like.

  103. 103
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    I think KF made the point. Liquor stores were not shut down and were considered “essential services”.

    Yes, they did. With strict capacity limits, spacing and masking requirements, plexiglass barriers and sanitizing of counter tops between customers. All of which the liquor stores followed.

    Pastors believe that access to religious care is more important than having access to liquor (or at least as much so).

    And I would agree that for many parishioners, this is very true. And, to their credit, most churches found ways to continue to provide this access through alternative means. Maybe this pastor should have asked other pastors for advice rather than openly flaunting public health directives.

    In my faith tradition, pastors implement sacramental care which has value (for believers) far beyond anything else.

    I don’t doubt this. My in-laws are very devout Christians and really missed services when the church was closed. But the minister got off his ass and arranged for donations of iPhones/ipads and data plans for his parishioners who didn’t have internet. He broadcast his services for all to see. He also arranged for phone circles to make sure that people were constantly in contact. He also made a point to frequently visit all parishioners who lived alone or had no local family, which was permitted even under the times of lockdown.

    That’s why governments should respect religious freedom – especially governments in historically-Christian environments where this sort of value system is well-known and has been a fabric of the society for centuries.

    Religious freedom has never been absolute. And never should be. Throughout history, churches have closed during pandemics and plagues. Because it was the socially responsible thing to do. During the Spanish flu, churches in North America were also closed, forcing churches to find alternative means to minister to their parishioners. If they could do that long before the internet, and even before telephones were present in every household, it can certainly be done today. Without being too cynical, might I suggest that the few pastors who flaunted the public health directives may have been motivated more by the collection plate than they were by the well-being (spiritual and otherwise) of their parishioners.

    And in closing, need I remind people here of the large number of COVID outbreaks and deaths that have been linked to church outbreaks.

  104. 104
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    Religious freedom has never been absolute.

    For many centuries it was absolute. It is absolute in theocracies that exist today.

    And never should be.

    People take many risks to practice their religion – not merely the risk of contracting a flu. Some people attend church at the risk of being put in jail by Communists, or as has happened continually through history – at the risk of being killed just for attending Mass. So, for those people, religious liberty is absolute. I’m thinking you are an atheist or at least not a religious person. If so, then you don’t value religion as much as others do. I wouldn’t want your opinion to be imposed on people who value religion in that case.

    Throughout history, churches have closed during pandemics and plagues. Because it was socially responsible thing to do.

    When liquor stores are permitted to stay open but churches are forced to close, then the idea of what is the “socially responsible thing to do” is rendered nonsensical.

  105. 105
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    For many centuries it was absolute. It is absolute in theocracies that exist today.

    Thank God we don’t live centuries ago or in a theocracy.

    Some people attend church at the risk of being put in jail by Communists, or as has happened continually through history – at the risk of being killed just for attending Mass. So, for those people, religious liberty is absolute.

    I think we differ on what “absolute” means. In the cases above, there was no religious freedom.

    What I am referring to are things like city clerks can’t deny issuing a marriage certificate to a same sex couple and use religious freedom as a defence. Or a jehavah’s witness parent can’t prevent necessary blood transfusions for a severely anemic child.

    Or, in a more extreme example, nobody can kill a homosexual, or an unfaithful wife, and use religious freedom as a defence. Well, I guess they can use it as a defence, but they would never be acquitted on those grounds.

    When liquor stores are permitted to stay open but churches are forced to close, then the idea of what is the “socially responsible thing to do” is rendered nonsensical.

    The socially responsible thing to do is take the necessary steps to reduce the risk of transmission. To the best of my knowledge contact tracing has never led back to a liquor store under COVID restrictions. The same can’t be said for churches. This being said, I do agree that, due to their psychological importance for many people, the closing of churches should be kept to the bare minimum (ie, during the exponential growth stage of a wave). Once the curve starts flattening, they should be allowed to open under capacity limits, masking and spacing.

  106. 106
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @102,

    Thanks for your comments and for the correction to my statement about the Nuremberg Code. It was indeed an after-the-fact summary of the principles that resulted in the convictions of a number of Nazi doctors and administrators. The principles included coercive actions, non-consent, and incomplete information. A number of these monsters were found guilty, received lengthy prison sentences, and some were hanged by the neck until dead.

    Sadly, the principles enumerated in the Nuremberg Code were ignored since then, but that does not absolve the current medical criminals of their culpability. They were adequately warned by history and they have no excuse.

    Hopefully they will be brought to trial someday.

    -Q

  107. 107
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, the underlying anti-Christian bigotry is plain. You would be well advised to recognise that to use the excuse of a pandemic (while suppressing credible alternatives: Uttar Pradesh vs Israel) to engineer regulations and policies that undermine freedom of assembly, freedom of expression and freedom of academic dissent or conscience dissent, petition and protest etc, is to effectively undermine the core of liberty. This is compounded by undermining livelihood and confiscation of financial assets. Such a pattern of abuses and usurpations underscores that officialdom and their media publicists have arguably become misanthropes and enemies of liberty cloaked under colours of health and science. Such is compounded by injection of elements of a surveillance and control state, e.g. the QR coded digital vaccine passports that open up database driven monitoring and control leading to “no one could buy or sell, save . . .” As for oh no cases of liquor shop transmission are recorded, coming from a dubious officialdom, that is not a sound answer, especially when public gatherings in 2020 that were large and uncontrolled were given leave and even argued for; but now a church seeking to meet similarly is to be curtailed and a pastor has been censored under colour of law. i note that credible experts with now population level results behind them have been maligned, marginalised and censored, often under accusation of misinformation that is in reality academic dissent. Those who valued liberty and truth, respected people, their views, their consciences and rights would not act as we have seen. That is already a red flag regarding the cultural and institutional buttresses of constitutional, lawful democratic freedom. Those who have allowed themselves to be caught up in a panic over pandemic, have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated and polarised, have become enablers of lawless unaccountable oligarchy. There is need for sober reflection on our peril and for sharp correction then reform. If, we are to preserve lawful liberty through due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. KF

    PS: I note a case of professional dissent:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/02/covids_worst_victim_americas_trust.html

    February 28, 2022
    COVID’s Worst Victim: America’s Trust
    By J. Deane Waldman, M.D.

    In 1969, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross published a seminal work, On Death and Dying, where she described five stages of grief that individuals experience after a profound emotional loss, such as the death of a loved one.

    Today, Americans are grieving — their trust in great institutions has died. Americans have lost faith in Washington; in federal medical bureaucracies like the CDC, FDA, and NIH; in legal institutions including the FBI and DOJ, and in school systems from K–12 through universities.

    Science itself has been called into question. Politicians and bureaucrat-M.D.s claim they “follow the science,” but real scientists, clinical physicians, and policy experts say that what Washington follows isn’t science at all.

    As COVID spreads and trust fades, Americans are experiencing grief in five stages: confusion, panic, control, disillusionment, and renewal.

    Early in the COVID pandemic, Americans were confused. Based on advice from the COVID Task Force, state governors implemented mandates for masks and other PPE, social distancing, the prohibition against gatherings, testing everyone, and strict lockdowns. The FDA prohibited therapeutic drugs, though frontline doctors were reporting success. Fauci told people to wear two masks, not merely one, even though studies in Florida, Massachusetts, and school systems in New York and Sweden found no “correlation … [between clinical outcomes and] mask mandates.”

    Contrary to Task Force recommendations, President Trump wanted to stop the lockdowns, focus testing on high-risk persons, and use therapeutic drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and monoclonal antibodies.

    Americans were scratching their heads. COVID-19 was labeled a “novel” virus, yet anyone who has had a cold has been infected with a coronavirus. Every year there is an epidemic with a respiratory virus quite similar to COVID: the flu.

    The number of COVID cases is touted as though these are sick people. In fact, “cases” are merely those who test positive for the antigen — almost all of whom are healthy. COVID deaths are reported in large numbers, even though more than 75 percent of the “deaths” are due to co-morbid, life-threatening pre-existing conditions such as diabetes and chronic lung disease, not because of the virus. People had good reasons to be confused.

    With a constant drumbeat of imminent death, Americans entered the second stage: panic. Generating public fear was intentional. In fact, NIAID director Anthony Fauci told policy expert Dr. Scott Atlas, “Yes, they need to be more afraid.”

    A fearful public naturally turned to the federal government for protection. Doctors like Fauci and Deborah Birx are bureaucrat M.D.s who do not practice medicine and have no expertise in public policy. Yet in the name of public health, they recommended policies that took away constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and did irreparable harm to the nation.

    Despite the First Amendment, freedom of speech and religion were curtailed. [–> notice, tendency to refer to documents not the underlying due balance of built in rights, freedoms, duties] The right to assemble was abrogated. When ordered to accept injections of an experimental gene therapy (mRNA vaccines), Americans were no longer “secure” in their persons (Fourth Amendment). Washington had created a “pandemic of fear” and used it to justify nullifying the Bill of Rights. [–> Compare Nuremberg Code regarding informed consent, refusal to coerce, refusal to subject to undue and/or undisclosed risk, right to withdraw, duty to terminate if dangers emerge etc]

    As panic persisted and intensified, America entered the third stage: control. To protect the narrative used to justify their power-grab, Washington had to control the flow of information. The CDC released misleading data; later, it changed its tracking methods and definitions. The FDA “canceled” promising drugs to treat sick COVID patients.

    Washington also controlled the available information using proxy censors such as news (really propaganda) outlets, social media, and even search engines like Google to label contrary data “misinformation” and to suppress any reports that question or dispute Washington’s policies. When Scott Atlas tried to dispute the fake science touted by Birx and Fauci, the press viciously attacked him to “cancel” his credibility.

    Washington tightly controlled any information given to the public.

    Following valid scientific data, the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD) recommended limited testing and focused protection, in contrast to the official approach of testing everyone and locking down the country. In response, then–NIH director Francis Collins ordered Fauci to create a “devastating published takedown” of the GBD.

    Dispute will not be tolerated — control must be maintained.

    Jessica Rose, Ph.D. in computational mathematics, studied the database of adverse effects following mRNA vaccination and found massive under-reporting and under-counting. Her research paper was submitted to an academic journal but was rejected by the publisher, not by peer reviewers. Censorship is poison for real science.

    People who decided not to accept the mandated “jab” or chose not to wear a mask were reviled for lack of social responsibility, canceled, and fired. Control by coercion: “no jab, no job.” [–> Shades of a religious text of protest from a despised Book of Scripture: Rev 13: 16 – 18. A text that needs to be properly expounded and applied, publicly, as part of the corrective.]

    Though Washington remains in the control stage, Americans have moved to disillusionment. People have experienced the disconnect between what Washington says or promises and what actually happens to them. Masking did not stop the spread; neither did social distancing. People died despite vaccination. Many gathered at football games, in churches and temples, without incident. The virus spread in states with strict mandates as well as those without. The data increasingly looked untrustworthy, such as counting a motorcycle crash victim as a COVID death.

    Disillusionment deepened when Washington failed to prepare the public for the harms inflicted by mandates. Millions lost their jobs and their savings when more than 200,000 small businesses closed. Crime, drug usage, and teen suicides hit new highs. Children locked out of school lost the opportunity to learn. This was especially hard on poor families, whose children could not learn online, lacking home computers and internet access.

    Americans began to ask, “We gave up our freedoms, our children’s future, and our savings, for what?!” The illusion of Washington protecting the people from COVID was exposed as totally false. Their so-called “science” was made up. Trust was gone, and Americans were disillusioned.

    But there is hope in the final stage: renewal.

    As trust fades in elected officials such as President Biden, in appointed officials like Merrick Garland, and titled bureaucrat-M.D.s (viz., Fauci), Americans are renewing their faith…in themselves: their own judgment, their independence, and their power!

    Instead of blindly following orders from politicians and self-styled experts, Americans are demanding to make their own decisions, especially medical choices.

    Change a few specifics and the same pattern comes out from too many other jurisdictions.

  108. 108
    Querius says:

    Scamp @99,

    I am not opposed to civil disobedience. I am opposed to any illegal actions intentionally intended to cause the suffering of innocent people.

    Yeah like beating drums or honking horns? Protests are not intended to cause “suffering,” but rather to draw the attention of the preoccupied and disinterested Canadian government. It certainly cannot be compared to what the Ukrainians would consider suffering.

    I’m not dodging it. I’m just not certain what you are asking. Are you referring to their protests over the church run residential schools? Protests over pipelines being built on their land? Protests over the fact that they can’t drink the water? Protests over repeated treaty violations?

    Of course you’re dodging the issue by trying to pull me into the weeds. The fact that such protests have had to continue proves my point. If the Canadian government did any more than trying to mollify the First Nations legitimate and ongoing grievances, the First Nations wouldn’t have to continue to attract more attention (and I’m acquainted with native American grievances once having boarded with people of the Navajo, Suquamish, Blackfoot, and Apache tribes).

    It seems that the Canadian government would prefer all “legal” protests be held in a remote part of the Northwest Territories so as not to disturb anyone, especially themselves. This observation applies to the protesting truckers as well as the protesting First Nations people.

    If there are any indigenous protests that meet this standard then I am opposed to them.

    I’m not sure what you mean by the “them” that you’re opposed to. The standard? The indigenous First Nations? Or protests that have any non-ignorable impact?

    -Q

  109. 109
    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Dr Robert Malone, holder of key mRNA patents, speaks to his own adverse reaction and this is a case of censorship in online media/digital technologies:

    https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/how-bad-is-my-batch?utm_source=url

    as many of you know – I was vaccinated with Moderna twice and had a pretty significant vaccine injury. This was pretty early in the roll-out of the vaccines. It was long before the FOIA Japanese pre-clinical trial data that had so many red-flags and irregularities, long before we learned of all the issues with the clinical trials, and long before the VAERs and adverse events began to be known.

    To write it, I have never been an “anti-vax” person. I have spent my career working with vaccines. I also know that some vaccines are “hot,” and are less safe. Usually these types of vaccines are reserved for extremely dangerous viruses like Ebola or Yellow fever. Where the goal is to make the vaccine 100% effective. Other vaccines, that are distributed widely, like the flu vaccines need to be very safe. The trade-off being that they are less effective. There is a whole science and art to crafting vaccines to appropriately respond to the “threat.” So, I know to read the literature, do my own due- diligence, etc before taking an experimental product or any vaccine. That is what I thought I did. The government assured us that these vaccines were very safe. I could never imagine that clinical data would be corrupted and even falsified – as we now know it was.

    Anyway, back to my story. I knew in the beginning of April, 2021, that I had to travel overseas and the word on the street was that the European Union was going to require full vaccination before entering any EU country by summer (that actually never happened BTW). I knew that a full vaccination protocol was a process of weeks – and that i had better get started! Furthermore, there was a lot of buzz around the idea that vaccination would help with “long-COVID.” I had already had COVID, and just couldn’t shake a number of chronic issues that I had developed after getting the disease . . . .

    in April, 2021, I got vaccinated. It was early enough in the cycle, that I had no choice but to take the Moderna vaccine, as that was available in my area The vaccine was distributed at a local college, with the Army Reserves administering the program.

    The first shot was fine. No issues.

    The second shot almost did me in. As in I almost died.

    After the injection, I had the usual fatigue, muscle-ache and then the palpitations started, as well as shortness of breath. Within a couple days, it got worse – I am not someone who goes to the doctor easily, but luckily for me, I happened to have a routine appointment with my physician. She cuffed me and my systolic blood pressure was through the roof. As she is also a cardiologist, she had more tests run, started me on high blood pressure meds and we got it under control. I kind of feel like I owe her my life. A call out to the fantastic Dr. C. Bove . . . .

    do know my batch was most definitely in the top 5%. So, not really a surprise in retrospect that I had such a serious adverse event profile.

    I always felt I was lucky that I happened to be going to my physician that day, who is also a cardiologist (she is my internist – so I wasn’t seeing her for that specialty).

    But just think- our government had this data way back when in the VAERs system -even last summer. This data is so compelling and yet…crickets. How many people could they have helped by releasing this data? People like me, who if I wasn’t a physician and hadn’t gone to my physician could have easily dropped dead.

    Now, his reporting of his experience has been tagged misinformation and has been censored.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/t-mobile-preventing-some-users-texting-link-interview-mrna-covid-vaccine-critics

    T-Mobile preventing some users from texting link to interview with mRNA COVID vaccine critics

    Doctors Robert Malone and Ryan Cole discuss the CDC’s reported withholding of the vast majority of COVID data it has collected . . . .

    T-Mobile is blocking some of its customers, including this reporter, from texting a link to an article featuring Robert Malone, the mRNA vaccine pioneer who is critical of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines and claims he “almost died” from Moderna’s second dose.

    Malone made the allegation in his Thursday newsletter, which promoted a WND article summarizing his video interview with the conservative website formerly known as WorldNetDaily.

    “Note: the above link is not being allowed to be forwarded by T-mobile and probably other cell phone services,” he wrote. “Evidently speaking about censorship and scientific fraud is considered too dangerous by our government.”

    The WND interview with Malone and Ryan Cole, an Idaho doctor facing at least one medical board investigation for his criticism of COVID vaccines and promotion of ivermectin, discussed the CDC reportedly hiding the vast majority of the COVID data it has collected.

    Malone has of course been pushed to the margins, but is in fact a key pioneer and is not an anti-vaxxer.

  110. 110
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @107,
    Yes, the hysteria, coercion, and persecution for political goals has become glaringly obvious to most people.

    And the story of the origin of the pandemic despite clear statements from the researchers themselves, the papers and emails that reveal the offshoring of illegal gain-of-function research, and the clouds of ink coming from the squids in Washington D.C. to create confusion and contradictions to the point where few people can believe anything from the CDC anymore:
    https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid/status/1495412605669810180

    Thanks for the great article by J. Deane Waldman, M.D. I know that I’ve certainly lost trust in the CDC . . . no, it’s worse than that. I’ve come to trust that ALL announcements and pronouncements from the CDC are complete lies fabricated solely for political benefit.

    And not to mention the swarms of self-appointed “fact checkers” without credentials or degrees themselves pronouncing every independent doctor or researcher with stellar accomplishments as a “quack.” I’ve delved into some of their websites and found the information in them to be distortions and flat-out lies. It’s beyond disgusting!

    -Q

  111. 111
    kairosfocus says:

    Q,

    the irony is, some of those fact checkers imagine they know. However, they lack the background to hold an independent view, or to evaluate conflicting knowledge claims, so they become enablers of a dominant narrative, driven by ideology. And yes, that is TWO domains of expertise there: [1] sufficient subject matter mastery that one can evaluate and hold conclusions in one’s own right, [2] a similar degree of knowledge on the business of warrant for relevant knowledge, fact or truth claims.

    The second, with reasonable breadth of thought, is a multiplier for the first, indeed, it enables it by providing key tools so one does not simply accept the reigning narrative. That is how one comes to a well founded INDEPENDENT position in the first place. As opposed to the error of selective hyperskepticism, which by exerting unjustifiable double standards on warrant, leads to a warped view driven by ideology not genuinely balanced considerations.

    A key point is, for example to recognise that experts differ and that there are paradigms. Where, paradigms differ and face a comparative difficulties challenge: factual adequacy, coherence, explanatory power/balance: neither simplistic nor an ad hoc patchwork.

    For instance, it is clear that on the pandemic, there has been considerable overconfidence among officials and their technical advisors leading to a situation where it is the dissenters who have been better warranted.

    Going back to 2020, I was not impressed by the gold standard rhetoric on warrant, as I was aware that evidence is highly cumulative and if reasonably coherent can be like a rope: many weak and short strands twisted and counter twisted can form a long, strong rope. So, the dismissiveness towards the dissidents was ill advised, as even then there was significant evidence building up on treatment by repurposed drugs and there was reason to see that the double blind placebo controlled standard being touted was itself highly troubled in the face of a pandemic.

    Both HCQ and IVM were showing known effects across kingdoms of life, suggesting that they affect core, in common cellular metabolic processes and both had shown antiviral effects. So, repurposing them made sense, as did the evidence on vit D deficiency and the impact of vit C and Zn. Azithromycin or Doxycycline as attacks on secondary infection and possibly having some antiviral effects also made sense. So did, the stitch in time principle, find an early treatment that can prevent having to face the U/L trajectory of a serious disease, as the more prone or nearer one is to a life threatening crisis, the higher the risks of adverse outcomes are. likewise, killing the disease in early stages through effective treatment will reduce spreading. The vaxxes, touted by the officialdoms, have not been sterilising nor preventing subsequent bouts and transmission. This is before we look at incidence of adverse effects and potential for long term systemic damage or encouragement of evolved strains that lead to serious consequences.

    The exaggeration of toxicity concerns said something about the ideological nature of the dominant narrative, e.g. fish tank cleaner and horse dewormer. Ironically, serious concerns on vaccination adverse effects was suppressed.

    Now, we see much broader issues, connected to the sustainability of lawful, constitutional, democratic self-government. If we fail here, we will slide into lawless unaccountable ideological oligarchy.

    We need to seriously listen to Plato’s parable of the ship of state and to Luke’s real life case study in Ac 27.

    But, ironically, those who most need such lessons are the least likely to be heedful.

    So, it is up to us to seek to form a critical mass in defence of civilisation.

    KF

  112. 112
    kairosfocus says:

    PS: Some of our objectors likely see themselves as fact checkers targetting a dubious fringe, in their minds, Intelligent Design Creationists who are dressed up Creationists in cheap tuxedos. They often think we are also Christofascist, right wing theocrats and enemies of “progress” and “Science.” They would be well advised to do serious rethinking starting from the UD Weak Argument Correctives under the Resources Tab. Also, it would be advisable for them to seriously reckon with the discovery since 1953 that the living cell is inter alia a sophisticated information system; thus, those familiar with information systems can think for themselves about such. I have noted, that D/RNA has string based alphanumeric codes that in part are algorithmic and in other parts are regulatory. That speaks to language and to goal directed stepwise processes with sophisticated regulation. There is just one plausible source for such, once one recognises that explanations must be based on observed capabilities of candidate causal factors: intelligently directed configuration. Blind chance and/or mechanical necessity simply does not have the observation backed, analytically plausible capability to give rise to functionally specific, complex organisation and/or associated information [FSCO/I], beyond 500 – 1,000 bits. Where, a von Neumann kinematic self replication facility actually compounds the challenge, as Paley understood in this Ch 2 when he considered as a thought exercise a self replicating watch . . . and yes that means those who thought the watch argument was simplistic are in fact committing a strawman fallacy. Cells, on DNA, start at plausibly 100,000 – 1 million plus four state bases. From its root on up, the tree of life is replete with strong, empirically tested and reliable signs of design as pivotal cause.

  113. 113
    jerry says:

    Some of our objectors likely see themselves as fact checkers targetting a dubious fringe

    ID represents superior science. It represents superior thinking on many other things as it’s based on the use of logic and evidence.

    Anti ID people represent the opposite. They have to or else they would be supporting ID. That why they always avoid answering questions and just pop up like Whack A Mole someplace else with another Inane/irrelevant comment.

    On this particular thread, the Canadian government represents inferior thinking on science and the truckers represent superior thinking. One represents an understanding that leads to excess deaths and dysfunctional lives (Canadian government) and the other to more fulfilling and functional lives (truckers.) The Canadian government’s reaction as well as the reactions of their defenders is what’s revealing.

    Irony at the extreme

    Aside: the same was/is true of the US government. So not pointing at anyone specifically. This thread is about Canada.

    Aside2: some how religion has creeped in. As usual.

  114. 114
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Insurance companies consider that covid lethal shot is “experimental” because they have to pay and not the people who cashed the billions for the “experimental shot”. Could we deduce that the numbers of people with side effect from vaccine are THAT BIG that could bankrupt the insurance companies ? Interesting.

    Why media people who repeatedly spread fake news about IVM and HCQ double down, don’t retract but somehow the next day they still have a job and are free to lie with no consequences ? Studies about IVM :https://ivmmeta.com/

    Why Fauci being caught lying to Congres is not in jail and still tell people what to do. 😆
    If US the most advanced/free/democratic country in the world is so corupt internally how could be a force for stability externally( for 248 armed conflicts that occurred in 153 regions from 1945 to 2001, 201 were initiated by the US, accounting for 81% of the total number)?

    Jordan Peterson : if you want to change the world start with putting your own room in order and then…then…but when you have more power than others the temptation is to fix them first which of course is not possible .

  115. 115
    jerry says:

    Why Fauci being caught lying to Congres

    Everyone should read Scott Atlas’s book. “A Plague Upon Our House” to see how corrupt and inept the US government medical bureaucracy (includes especially Fauci and Birx) is.

    Just read chapters 7 and 8 and you will learn the specifics behind the debacle that they were personally responsible for.

  116. 116
    jerry says:

    Watch a recent SNL skit on the hypocrisy of the left about C19.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1498383497798504455

  117. 117
    jerry says:

    In case racism comes up again here is an article in the ultra liberal Guardian saying the same thing Zach Goldberg said a few years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/26/media-news-article-shift-discourse-language

    It became an issue after Occupy Wall Street failed. And there was resistance to an African American President on his policies.

    Could it be the raising of race as an issue has little to do with race but is an attempt to inoculate other policies from objections?

  118. 118
    News says:

    Thanks, Jerry, at 116. I’ve embedded the tweet in the OP above at the pertinent point. I was not able to embed the skit by other means.

  119. 119
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    Thank God we don’t live centuries ago or in a theocracy.

    You’re thanking God that you are not an orthodox Jew. Would you try to stop their religious convictions for a theocratic Israel?
    It’s also fairly easy to argue that we are living under secularist/masonic doctrine which is a form of theocracy. People are required to adhere to the secularist doctrines, as your comments here have pointed out frequently.

    To the best of my knowledge contact tracing has never led back to a liquor store under COVID restrictions. The same can’t be said for churches.

    95,000 deaths were traced back to liquor sales (drunk driving a part of those). 14.5 million people suffer physical damage from alcohol and the WHO reported that alcohol contributes to more than 200 diseases and injury-related health conditions, ranging from liver diseases, road injuries, and violence, to cancers, cardiovascular diseases, suicides, tuberculosis, and HIV/AIDS.
    Given your emphasis on the “dangers” of church attendance, I’d conclude that you’d want liquor sales banned as a health risk..
    I’ll also echo KF’s concern that anti-Christian bias may be evident here.
    Are you an atheist? If not, how do you identify yourself in religious terms? It’s relevant in a discussion about how you’d restrict religious practice of the population.

  120. 120
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Jerry 116
    I liked the comments. The people who filled the world with hysteria and fear, who fired people they disagreed with and ridiculed and persecuted any opposition, now have decided how funny all of that was. They were on the right side of it all along, we just didn’t realize how smart they really were.

  121. 121
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Jerry

    Anti ID people represent the opposite. They have to or else they would be supporting ID. That why they always avoid answering questions and just pop up like Whack A Mole someplace else with another Inane/irrelevant comment.

    They can’t have a real conversation because that requires exposing their worldview to scrutiny and it requires sincere transparency.

  122. 122
    kairosfocus says:

    The Frontline Docs are putting up 2 min vids. The one on media denigration and irresponsibility is hard hitting, as was linked above: https://rumble.com/vuoysf-frontline-flash-debunk-a-taste-of-maddows-medicine-with-john-strand.html

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    Querius says:

    Great observations all!

    Kairosfocus @111, 112 on so-called “fact checkers,” EXACTLY!

    Jerry @113, 116 Wow, an actually funny SNL skit . . . brilliant! Regarding religion . . . remember that while doctrinaire beliefs are fundamental to religion, they are also present in doctrinaire expressions of science as in “the science is settled” or “follow the science.” Scientific “heresy” can mean the loss of academic credibility and employment. This shouldn’t be so!

    In my experience, true scientists and academics are surprisingly open to non-standard hypotheses and exhibit a surprising level of humility toward what we think we know.

    A good example is the doctrinaire treatment of how an air foil generates lift. The doctrinaire version has been shown to be false! Yes, I was surprised as well. But science is always changing and its “facts” always challenged. The alternative is a form of modern, rigid Aristotelian science.

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    Of course . . . as with dealing with any existential threat to the fascist Canadian state.

    -Q

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    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Of course . . . as with dealing with any existential threat to the fascist Canadian state.

    Or, more likely, it is a reflection on the ability of these organizers to demonstrate sufficient assurance that they are capable or willing to respect court instructions. Not getting much sympathy from the vast majority of Canadians.

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    jerry says:

    Not getting much sympathy from the vast majority of Canadians.

    This is actually an indictment of supposedly nice and good Canadian of their attitudes towards the people who had the moral high ground.

    An opinion by a Canadian

    Canada’s trucker convoy may be over, but the problems are hardly over for the truckers – and for the rest of us

    The partial triumph of the truckers turns out to be a Pyrrhic victory, for it is the truckers who have suffered most.

    Our blue-collar benefactors now face the consequences of the scorched-earth policies adopted by the anointed class. Many have lost their rigs. Operating licenses have been revoked. Criminal charges have been laid. Bans on trucker commerce have proliferated. Bankruptcy looms for many. Livelihoods have been demolished. Families have been obliterated. Marriages are bound to collapse. And I suspect that suicides will mount as desperation sees no escape from ruination. In effect, Justin Trudeau declared war on those who kept the goods and services flowing through the ersatz pandemic and who enabled the populace to weather the government-induced travesty…

    The truckers who protested the draconian and useless vaccine mandates have been crushed and their lives ruined. And the majority of Canadians do not care. Some believe the truckers got what they deserved, gloating over the misfortune of their betters. Others do not give them a second thought. The feeble-minded claim to be suffering from “phantom honking.” Some hover over the top like a helicopter pilot surveying rush hour traffic and move on: nothing very significant to see here. Their sympathies go out to the Ukrainian victims of Russian aggression. The victims of government oppression in their own country are an afterthought

    https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/02/28/canadas-trucker-convoy-may-be-over-but-the-problems-are-hardly-over-for-the-truckers-and-for-the-rest-of-us/

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    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    This is actually an indictment of supposedly nice and good Canadian of their attitudes towards the people who had the moral high ground.

    what moral high ground?

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    Some believe the truckers got what they deserved, gloating over the misfortune of their betters.

    It will come back to bite them some day. They turned their back on the suffering of workers and condemned them for seeking a just resolution to their complaint. But it all comes back – those same people will face the same thing sooner or later and will need help (maybe even from the same truckers). It’s like the hospitals who accepted long-hours of work from staff who were unprotected against Covid in the early days, but then fired them for resisting vaccines later on.

    Good fortune can lead men astray, deceiving them about what to expect from life and how to think of themselves. When Fortune is unkind, she draws men back to an understanding of what the world is like, and who their friends are. Surely, in your time of trouble, you must have learned who were your real friends. The honest ones have been winnowed out from that crowd of associates and companions, all of whom have deserted you. — Boethius, The Consolation of Philosophy

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    jerry says:

    what moral high ground

    They are right about the effects of the virus and the Canadian government has been lying about it.

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    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    They are right about the effects of the virus and the Canadian government has been lying about it.

    Says a guy on a fringe website that 99.999% of people don’t take seriously (or have never heard about).

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    Querius says:

    Scamp @132,

    Says a guy on a fringe website that 99.999% of people don’t take seriously (or have never heard about).

    Interesting logic.

    So, what the majority of people believe and what the majority of people have never heard of are indictments against the veracity of a statement?

    That same logic then would indicate that nearly all of cutting-edge science, since it’s unknown to the vast majority of people, is of necessity false. Likewise, if the majority of people think that masks actually work must make it of necessity true.

    Question: How can you exist despite the fact that nearly 100% of people in the world either don’t know you exist or don’t particularly care?

    -Q

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    jerry says:

    Says a guy on a fringe website that 99.999% of people don’t take seriously (or have never heard about).

    I thought it was only 99.9%

    Amazing response using evidence and logic.

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    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    Amazing response using evidence and logic.

    PROVE ME WRONG. Oh, wait. I forgot. You are the only one who is allowed to get away with this approach. You really have to issue an instruction manual.

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    vividbleau says:

    Jerry
    “They are right about the effects of the virus and the Canadian government has been lying about it.”

    To be fair the USA lied as well. What I have learned is that statists like Scamp want to be lied to which is fine if it ended there .It’s the dissembling and promoting the lies that really disgusts me.

    “Says a guy on a fringe website that 99.999% of people don’t take seriously (or have never heard about).”

    Says a guy on a fringe website that 99.999% of people don’t take seriously (or have never heard about). LOL

    Vivid

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, the evidence on merits is there regarding the pandemic, treatments, vaccines and their risks etc. Just above, I noted how I headlined a takedown of the accusations of a media personality. A month ago, you were present in discussion of Dr Malone’s Rogan interview, which laid out many corrective facts and in that post I highlighted facts regarding Uttar Pradesh https://uncommondescent.com/ethics/let-us-listen-to-dr-robert-malone-dissenting-expert-on-the-covid-19-crisis/ It is manifest that face masks, six foot rules etc have not had strong empirical support. The contrast between population census level results in UP and Israel now on jab 4, speaks, and just yesterday there was a case of sudden death just after mRNA booster and another of blood clotting brought to my attention on a personal acquaintance basis. There is more. KF

    PS, marginalisation and dismissiveness speak for themselves. I note that while we do have good reason to have regular elections as audits of and potential replacements for government, it is a fallacy to imagine the majority opinion is most likely right. Indeed, that is not a good basis for warrant. This exposes yet another case of the relativist fallacies.

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    Scamp says:

    vivid:
    What I have learned is that statists like Scamp want to be lied to which is fine if it ended there

    I must say, the propensity for people on this site to assign labels to people so as to dismiss their views is quite amusing, and pathetic.

    Where have I suggested that I was a statist? I have stated that I think Trudeau is an idiot. I have stated that Trudeau should have met with them. I have stated that I was opposed to the enacting of the emergencies act. I have stated that I don’t oppose the protesting of COVID restrictions. But I have committed the unpardonable sin of disagreeing with the tactics used by the trucker convoy. The strategy of constantly harassing those who live in Ottawa because they didn’t get an audience with Trudeau. Sorry, but I do not support childish, immature behaviour. My parents taught me this.

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    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: From the Malone interview:

    Joe Rogan 37:52 So were they [= China, v. early in the pandemic, in its protocols] using Ivermectin as well? No. But other countries have, like Japan and India.
    Dr. Robert Malone 38:00 Uttar Pradesh, as you know, has crushed COVID.
    Joe Rogan 38:05 Can you explain what they did to do that? Because it’s kind of fascinating.
    Dr. Robert Malone 38:08 It’s not clear. What are the drugs. So what they did do what we do know. And there’s some backstory to this that we could go into if you want to. But the observation is there was a decision made. The virus was just ripping through Uttar Pradesh. It has almost the same population as the United States. It’s huge. Okay. Dense, urban, poor, all the characteristics of the stereotypes of the Indian countryside. And the virus is just ripping through there and causing all kinds of death and disease. And the decision was made out of desperation in that province to deploy early treatments as packages widely throughout the province, and it included a number of agents. The composition has not been formally disclosed. It was done in coordination with WHO and whatever was in those packages was rumored to include Ivermectin. ;–> confirmed, by photographic evidence, implying dosage at 20 mg/kg live body mass, the sort of dosage advocated ever since by FLCCC early in the crisis, the same FLCC maligned by the media] But there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi, and a decision was made in the Indian government not to disclose the contents of those packages that were being deployed in Uttar Pradesh, which they’re still there. And Uttar Pradesh is flatlined right now. The rest of the world is yelling about Omicron and hospitalizations. Well, South Africa isn’t, but UDA Pradesh is still flatlined in terms of deaths.
    Joe Rogan 39:41 So they were visited by someone in the Biden administration, is that what you’re saying?
    Dr. Robert Malone 39:44 I just know there’s a meeting between Joe Biden and Modi.
    Joe Rogan 39:48 And you believe that out of that meeting?
    Dr. Robert Malone 39:51 I don’t know what they said. I wasn’t invited. All I know is that immediately afterwards there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed in Uttar Pradesh.
    Joe Rogan 40:01 It’s so crazy to imagine that in the middle of a pandemic, there’s one place, one area of India that’s extremely successful in combating the virus, and they’re not going to say how they did it. That’s nuts.

    Dr. Robert Malone 40:16 That’s where my stance in all of this is to say, here are the facts. Here are the verifiable data draw your own conclusion.

    If they disrespect and marginalise someone like Malone, we can take it that they will malign ANYONE who does not fit their narrative. This alone tells us — if we needed basis — that something is deeply wrong with the dominant narrative.

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    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Then, there’s the earlier credibility kill on hydroxychloroquine:

    Joe Rogan 29:30 Why do you think that is? What do you think is going on with the pushback on Ivermectin?
    Dr. Robert Malone 29:36 So it’s not just Ivermectin, it’s hydroxychloroquin. And just to put a marker on that, there’s good modeling studies that probably half a million excess deaths have happened in the United States through the intentional blockade of early treatment by the US government. That is familiar, half a million. That is a well documented number. And it’s a combination of hydroxychloroquin. And I remember Mechan now when you ask me why you’re asking me to get into somebody’s head, what I can say as a scientist is what I observe, the behaviors, the actions, the correspondence, these bizarre things like, don’t you know it’s a horse drug, Y’all, which is amazingly pejorative. I live in Virginia. Okay, I can tell you the people around me, I live in a rural county, and I raise horses. That was deeply offensive to use that language in that way. But there’s clearly been an intentional push. And Zeb Zelenko, who’s a buddy, the guy that came out with the original protocols Lanko protocol, and was the one, by the way, that wrote the letter to Trump advocating for hydroxychloroquin. One kind of important to put that together. He’s put together a great little video clip in which he clearly documents the conspiracy between Janet Woodcock and Rick Bright to make it so that physicians could not administer hydroxychloroquin outside of the hospital. [–> why delay early treatment?]
    Joe Rogan 31:10 And who is Janet Woodcock? And who’s Rick Bright?
    Dr. Robert Malone 31:13 Rick Bright was the head of BARDA, the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development, which is the group that, for instance, funded the JNJ vaccine and Operation Warp Speed et Cetera. So they’re the big ticket funder in Health and Human Service of by defense products.
    Joe Rogan 31:29 And who is she?
    Dr. Robert Malone 31:30 Janet Woodcock was head of Operation Warp Speed for Drugs, and until very recently, head of the FDA. She is known as the person who kind of gets the credit, let’s say, for the opioid crisis, for her role at the FDA.
    Joe Rogan 31:48 So between the two of them, there was some sort of a concerted effort to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquin.
    Dr. Robert Malone 31:55 Rick Bright, in videotaped testimony, has explicitly spoken about how they conspired to Cook a strategy, using emergency use authorization to make it so that hydroxychloroquin could only be administered in the hospital, which, by the way, is too late for when hydroxy should be used.
    Joe Rogan 32:16 And why do they do that?
    Dr. Robert Malone 32:18 That is what is the unknown. And there’s so many Why’s and How’s behind this? I like to say there’s a stack of stuff that doesn’t make sense. It’s about this high. Now I can’t prove I can’t get into Rick’s head. I know Rick quite well. I don’t know what he’s currently working for the Rockefeller. He did a whistleblower case, and then he left the government. But all I know is they did this. And Rick admits on videotape that he did it. And he States that the reason was that he believed there was no evidence of hydroxychloroquin being useful for this virus. Now that’s false. hydroxychloroquin was known to be effective against SARS-1.
    Joe Rogan 33:09 Wasn’t that regular chloroquin?
    Dr. Robert Malone 33:14 Hydroxy and chloroquine are closely related molecules. Hydroxy is slightly less toxic, by the way, one of the nice things we had actually filed during Zika, I did a lot of drug repurposing, and I filed patents on the use of hydroxy in Zika. One of the reasons is because hydroxy is one of the few molecules that have antiviral activity that are safe in pregnancy. And you remember Zika was a pregnancy issue.
    Joe Rogan 33:38 Yeah.
    Dr. Robert Malone 33:39 So Hydroxy has been out there for a long time is having antiviral effects. And the other part of Rick’s story, that kind of doesn’t make sense, that there was no data on efficacy, is that I was the guy that first acquired because I had Chinese connections, the Chinese protocol for treating this virus. I got it in late February, and I sent it into my buddies at the CIA, at the ASPR, at the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response. So the government had those documents when Rick Bright made those determinations. So the assertion that there was no data on hydroxychloroquine at the time when this decision was made, it’s just patently false.
    It’s there. So what is the motivation? You’re right. None of this makes sense. This is a journalist problem. And, you know, the classic guidance is follow the money.
    Joe Rogan 34:38 Yea.
    Dr. Robert Malone 34:38 And it is bizarre that Merck would come out with these explicit statements about the safety of Ivermectin. Both Ivermectin and Hydroxy are on the WHO list of essential medicines. They have been administered for millions and millions of doses. They’re among the safest medicines we know when administered within this acceptable window. Pharmaceutical window. Ivor mechanism is even safer than hydroxy. So Merck coming out out of the blue and saying Ivermectin isn’t safe is really inexplicable now. Another thing is that I sit on the Active Committee for Drugs as an observer. What is the Active Committee? This is the NIH committee that’s guiding the clinical trials for these various repurposed and novel drugs. I saw listened to heard witnessed the representative of Merck that’s on the committee because the committee is full of pharmaceutical representatives, even though it’s an NIH public committee explicitly attack the decision for the federal government to test Ivermectin. She said, there’s no reason to do this. Now. What’s happened since then is Active Sticks is still testing Ivermectin, and they’ve had to go to a higher dose because as we pointed out, essentially, their initial trial design was designed to fail. It was a short course with an adequate levels of drug. And so now they’ve upped it to. I think it’s five days and 600 mg per kg. That’s the current dosing in active six. But there is clearly a concerted effort on the part of multiple players in the pharmaceutical industry in accordance with the federal government to kill Ivermectin as a potential alternative early treatment strategy.
    Joe Rogan 36:42 And if you’re going to follow the money, the problem is, there’s not a lot in Ivermectin because it is a generic drug and any compound pharmacy can make it and it’s fairly cheap.
    Dr. Robert Malone 36:52 It’s fairly cheap because it’s easy to make. You can get Ivermectin in bulk at less than a penny of dose.
    Joe Rogan 37:03 Wow. So the original SARS? Is it 90% similar to SARS-CoV-2?
    Dr. Robert Malone 37:11 Two those terms 90 or 96 or 98. Those are really not irrelevant. You can have something that’s 99.9% similar, and the difference is all the difference.
    Joe Rogan 37:31 But if Chloroquine worked on the original SARS or it showed efficacy and original SARS, is it safe to assume without adequate tests that hydroxychloroquin would work on…
    Dr. Robert Malone 37:43 It’s the decision that was made by the Chinese government.
    Dr. Robert Malone 37:45 Okay, that’s my point. I got the original Chinese protocols. This is what they were using. [–> By Feb-March 2020]
    Joe Rogan 37:49 And they were using it effectively?
    Dr. Robert Malone 37:51 Yeah.

    You were present in this thread Sc. The transcript is here for anyone to search and clip: https://covidvaccinesideeffects.com/joe-rogan-interview-with-dr-robert-malone-transcript/

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    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Rogan also interviewed Peter McCullough, https://covidvaccinesideeffects.com/joe-rogan-interview-with-dr-peter-mccullough-video-full-episode/ and here is an interesting clip:

    Dr. Peter McCullough And after the weeks went by [early in 2020 interacting with Italian colleagues], I became incredibly frustrated. I started communicating with our Italian colleagues. I said, What’s going on? You guys are getting blasted in Milan. Is there anything we can do to treat patients at home and stop these hospitalizations?
    Joe Rogan And were you alone with this concern? Were there other doctors that were joining you with this and were there treatment protocols that had been put into place that were being tested?
    Dr. Peter McCullough There were no treatment protocols that emerged. We started looking at work done by Didir ]Raoult] in Marseille, France, by Vladimir Zelenko in Monroe, New York, and started communicating very early on with the Italians. And I had great relationships with the Italians in Milan.
    Dr. Peter McCullough And what we had decided is we had decided on some principles early on their first collaboration, and my contribution was really to get people together, get the ideas together and publish. And I had the publication strength that other people didn’t. I got the first organized ideas together. In April, May, June, we submitted our paper July 1 to the American Journal of Medicine, which is one of the highly ranked journals in medicine. And it was published in August. This is the first publication teaching doctors how to treat COVID 19 with a multi drug regimen. And the groundwells were this. We knew it was insufficient time for large randomized trials. Those take two to four years. I lead large randomized trials [–> notice, gold standard fallacy].
    Dr. Peter McCullough I published in the New England Journal Madison. I know what this is about. I’m on steering committees. We don’t have two to four years. This is a mass casualty situation.
    Dr. Peter McCullough We use the precautionary principle, meaning that this is a mass casualty event. We can’t wait. We’re looking for drugs with a signal of benefit and acceptable safety. We knew very early on that this viral infection had three components. It was viral replication, cytokine, storm or inflammation and then thrombosis.
    Dr. Peter McCullough So we know a single drug wasn’t going to handle the problem. No way. It was going to be a multi drug regiment, just like with HIV, just like with hepatitis C. No difference in multi drugs. So precautionary principle we use signals of benefit acceptable safety drugs in the combination test, retest and go. And so at the time we submitted our paper
    .
    Dr. Peter McCullough Joe, there was about 4,000 papers in the peer review literature on Covid 19. I started to check that there was 55,000 papers in the peer review literature on Covid 19 and about 4,000 that could have related to certain drugs, but not a single one put the concepts together and how to treat patients.
    Joe Rogan So this was the first one and it was published in August. August of 2020.
    Dr. Peter McCullough The American Journal of Medicine The title of the paper was the Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of COVID-19. That quickly after August spawned the Association of American Physician and Surgeon’s Home Treatment Guide. Interesting organization is independent doctors. They accept no money from pharmaceutical agencies. They’ve been around since 1943.
    Dr. Peter McCullough They had early on sued the federal government to release the stockpile of hydroxyquirquin. US had the right idea. As other countries they stockpiled hydroxychorquin. Then there was the problem of it wasn’t being released from the stockpile. And so during my development work early in 2020, I got a call from the White House.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Peter Navarro called me. So listen, McCullough, can you help me get hydroxychloroquine released? Rick Bright and others in the FDA seemed to be colluding to block hydroxychloroquine coming out of the stockpile in Marseille, France did. I was working with hydroxychloroquine and it was over the country. In France.
    Dr. Peter McCullough They made a prescription and they started making it hard for him to use. So these things started happening early to try to prevent treatment of patients with Covid.
    Dr. Peter McCullough They made a prescription and they started making it hard for him to use. And then simultaneously in Australia, they had taken hydroxychloroquine and they had put it up in Queensland as basically an untouchable drug. If a doctor attempted to use hydroxychloroquine to treat a Covid patient in early April, that doctor could be put in jail. So these things started happening early to try to prevent treatment of patients with Covid-19.

    Joe Rogan Why do you think that’s the case? And why do you think that hydroxychloroquine would have been effective?
    Dr. Peter McCullough 2006 forward. There were studies with hydroxychloroquine that demonstrated that it reduced replication of Sars-CoV1, the first version of the SARS virus.
    Joe Rogan Yes, we talked about that the other day. Wasn’t it just chloroquine? Was it chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine?
    Dr. Peter McCullough Originally there was chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and mefloquine. So there’s antimalarials. They’re similar in terms of their biochemical property, but they have three mechanism action. They increase the lysosomalph. So when the particles taken into the cell, it doesn’t travel so well to the nucleus.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Hydroxychloroquine one, bring in zinc. It’s a zinc [ionophore] zinc goes in and actually antagonizes the RNA dependent polymerase, which is needed for the virus to replicate. And then hydroxychloroquine is a well known and established anti-inflammatory we use it in lupus. We use it in rheumatoid arthritis, and it’s obviously an intracellular anti-infective. We use it for the prevention of malaria.
    Joe Rogan Was the problem, that there was a lot of problems with Donald Trump being in office, that when he would approve of something or when he would talk about something, people would attack that thing. And hydroxychloroquine became something that he talked of as a cure and talked about as a treatment for COVID. And then it became politicized and then support for hydroxychloroquine became support for Trump. [–> agitprop]
    Joe Rogan Would you think that that was accurate?
    Dr. Peter McCullough I’d have to look at the timeline. Boy, it was quick because the backlash against hydroxychloroquine was so strong in Brazil and Australia.
    Joe Rogan Why do you think that is, though?
    Dr. Peter McCullough The question is, did it happen before, after Trump said anything, it happened very quickly through the course of the year was extraordinary. Do you know the second largest producer of hydroxychloroquine was a plant was mysteriously burned down outside of Taipei? It was extraordinary what was going on. Doctors from Africa were telling us that there were some type of mercenary people ra[id]ing the pharmacies at night and burning the hydroxychloroquine.
    Joe Rogan Now this is before the emergency use exemption or the emergency use authorization for the vaccines. The emergency use authorization. In order to have that you cannot have effective treatments.
    Dr. Peter McCullough We have to be careful. The emergency use authorization is a new mechanism or a previously unused mechanism for regulatory pathways of drugs.
    Dr. Peter McCullough And my interpretation of it and everybody’s interpretation is fair game, since it’s pretty loosely written quite honestly, depends on indication. So a vaccine would be indicated for the prevention of Covid-19 illness, hydroxychoroquine or Bamlanivimab or any of these other drugs we approved for the treatment of two separate indications. The EU should not be viewed in my view as competitive. In fact, it can’t because remember, Bamlanivimab, the Lily product as well as Remdesivir, the Giliad product. They preceded the vaccines and they didn’t preempt the vaccines coming out of the market.
    Joe Rogan But remdesivir had problems of its own.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Correct with kidney failure. Remdesivir was basically a repurposed, failed Ebola drug and it does have intellectual property ties through Gilead back to the Chinese. So the Chinese originally were collaborating with us very tightly. I have tons of emails from the Chinese.
    Dr. Peter McCullough They were trying to alert us. What’s going on with Covid-19. Remdesivir came up. It’s a polymerase inhibitor. As a general, I told you, hydroxychloroquine has three mechanisms of action.
    Dr. Peter McCullough You’ve reviewed previously Ivermectin, which also has three separate mechanisms of action. Remdesivir is a one horse show. It’s a single mechanism action. It inhibits the polymerase and it unfortunately, as the data have borne out, it’s given far too late in the illness. Right.
    Dr. Peter McCullough So the polymerase is active early in viral replication. So if you gave it on day one, it may actually do something, but if you give it on day 14. By the time someone comes in the hospital, the Iris is done replicated at that point in time and then all I can do is offer toxicity. And you’re right, it’s a five day infusion of Remdesivir. Early on, we heard about the hepatic toxicity.
    Dr. Peter McCullough In my experience, I could never get a patient through five days of therapy because the liver function test, the ASD and alt would skyrocket. Now it’s become clear it’s been associated with acute kidney injury and the kidney injury is not tolerated in Covid 19 because any retention of fluid makes the oxygen saturation and lungs far worse.
    Joe Rogan So why do you think there was this demonization of hydroxychloroquine? And do you have a theory as to why they would try to restrict the distribution of it or why they would if someone wanted to burn down the factories that produce it, why they would do that?
    Dr. Peter McCullough It was clear that Hydroxychloroquine one was the most promising drug that we had for Covid 19. In my experience, I could never get a patient through five days of therapy because the liver function test, the ASD and alt would skyrocket. Now it’s become clear it’s been associated with acute kidney injury and the kidney injury is not tolerated in Covid-19 because any retention of fluid makes the oxygen saturation and lungs far worse.
    Dr. Peter McCullough By the way, we tested retanivar HIV drugs, they quickly fell to the side. Other drugs were tested, but Hydroxy came forward as the lead agent and currently we’re up to 300 completed studies with Hydroxychloroquine and 32 early treatment studies, and it does have an effect size or an efficacy early in treatment of about 64% globally across the studies and its toxicity profile is well understood. Hydroxychloroquine, like Ivermectin and the other drugs, are already FDA approved. The FDA tells doctors to use drugs off label it’s in their guidance to us, and actually they have an FDA has a piece to patients that was published in 2018 saying, Why does your doctor used off label drugs? And it says when the doctors are fulfilling an unmet need, ie., Covid-19.
    Dr. Peter McCullough There’s no new drugs from 19. So we use these drugs. What’s called clinically indicated, medically necessary, appropriate off label use of drugs.

    Dr. Peter McCullough Hydroxy was the first one up. A giant mistake was to actually place an emergency use authorization on Hydroxychloroquine and the original that was placed on Hydroxy, which didn’t need one because it’s already on the market, right? It was placed for inpatient use. And then the interpretation was that it was a Hydroxychloroquine and was restricted to inpatient use. So once it became restricted at inpatient use, then there were messages saying, Listen, don’t use it unless somebody is an inpatient.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Then when we found out the Hydroxychloroquine, like Ivermectin, works best early and has less of an effect late like all the other drugs because people are too far gone. Once those trials were completed, there’s five randomized trials of inpatients with hydroxychloroquine as they’re about to go on the ventilator. And those five trials are neutral. They don’t show harm, they don’t show benefit, they’re neutral. One of them was the NIH trial.
    Dr. Peter McCullough There’s only two placebo controlled trials by the way. So we’ve based the entire house on hydroxy on two placebo controlled small inpatient trials that didn’t have sufficient power to see an effect if indeed, it was there. Having said that they were flat on the outcomes of mortality and progression in the hospital. And so based on that, in June of 2020, the FDA came out across the board and said, based on this, do not use Hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19, period, full stop. They never reviewed the data a second time or a third time.

    Dr. Peter McCullough And I can tell you, as a doctor, the FDA, the CDC and the NIH, our public service agencies. To me and you, we don’t work for them. They don’t issue us rulings. They work for us. And I’m telling you, as a leader in academic medicine, my expectation was monthly reviews from those three entities and the White House task force.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Matter of fact, the White House task force can do it. I needed a monthly report of what drugs are working and what drugs weren’t. We didn’t see any of that . . . .

    Dr. Peter McCullough You’ve asked me three times, so I’m going to answer it. I saw a trend starting in April, May and June where it became clear that anything we were doing to try to help patients with early treatment was receiving a chill and the chill was coming through academic institutions through the medical literature. I think the capper was in June when there was a fraudulent paper published in Lancet on Hydroxychloroquine between Harvard and a company called Surgisphere. And this never happens. Lancet is like the New England Journal Medicine of the World.
    Dr. Peter McCullough I’m the editor of a major Journal. I run a Journal. I know what it takes. There are editors, associate Editors, reviewers. There is pinpoint accuracy.
    Dr. Peter McCullough We check references we check plagiarism. Believe me, it’s a tight world out there. They basically published a fraudulent paper on hydroxychloroquine in Lancet in 2020 around June, and they let it hang up there for two weeks stating that hydroxychloroquine was associated with harm when used in patients with COVID-19.
    Joe Rogan Who made this study?
    Dr. Peter McCullough It was between one investigator who was at Harvard, and it was by a company called Surgisphere that nobody knew what this company was.It turned out to be a company that literally just dissolved or went away without anybody understanding.
    Joe Rogan So it’s a company that was created specifically to do this.
    Dr. Peter McCullough Don’t know. Don’t know. All I can tell you is I looked at the data, Joe, and they had tens of thousands of people they claimed were hospitalized with covid 19, fairly early in the pandemic. The average age of these people hospitalized was in the low 40s. I looked at this paper in 2 seconds. This doesn’t make sense. We were hospitalizing people in their 80s, not in their 40s. And so to me, it didn’t look right. And then people started writing Lancet saying, listen, it doesn’t look real.
    Dr. Peter McCullough And they started receiving tons of emails. And then Lancet basically retracted it and said, we retracted it. No apologies, no explanation. I interpret that. And that occurred right before the FDA said, don’t use hydroxychoroquine. It almost looked like it was a step to basically try to bury hydroxychoroquine as a therapy.
    Joe Rogan But why? This is what I still understand. What do you think is the motivation and why was it so worldwide?
    Dr. Peter McCullough As a doctor, all I can tell you is the medical literature, as we are seeing it come about. There was, once the discovery that the spike protein on the virus, the discovery in the medical literature. Now that discovery we learned actually occurred years before. This was amenable to neutralization with vaccine induced antibodies. Once that became abundantly clear in the literature, there appeared to be almost a lockstep developed where people said that’s it. That’s the solution. We’re going to vaccinate our way out of this problem.
    Dr. Peter McCullough We don’t even need to worry about how to treat the problem. We don’t need to hear about drugs to treat the problem. And the enthusiasm and the hubris for vaccination spread across academic medical centers all over the country.
    Joe Rogan But what about the people that were currently sick and they were still waiting for the roll out of the vaccine. So if you’re talking about August, the vaccine wasn’t rolling out for another four months. And that’s just for elderly people.
    Dr. Peter McCullough I published an op Ed in August of 2020 in the Hill, a Republican Journal for Washington people and others in those circles. And the title of the oped was The Great Gamble of the Covid 19 Vaccine Development Program. And what I saw is I saw a total shift on everything for the vaccines. Do you know major clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine were dropped, Ivermectin things were dropped.

    There’s something rotten in the state of Denmark.

  142. 142
    kairosfocus says:

    F.N: From later on:

    Joe Rogan Other countries have been much more ruthless in their enforcement of vaccinations, and it’s kind of opened a lot of people’s eyes as to what’s possible when you look at some of the European countries, the way Germany is handling it, even the way New Zealand is handling it in Australia, for sure, people are terrified when they’re seeing these places that they thought of as being as free as the United States falling into this sort of totalitarian regime situation where the government is telling the people what they must do and literally checking everyone for papers. And people don’t seem to think that this is a problem. A large percentage of people don’t seem to think this is a problem. They think it’s good because we need to vaccinate everyone.
    Joe Rogan But they don’t have an issue with what has historically always been a problem with people. When you give governments extreme amounts of power over people, they tend to like to use that power and they don’t ever want to give it up. And we’ve opened the door to these new levels of power for the government. And people say, well, that’s important because we have to do it because we’re in the middle of a pandemic and we have to treat these people because some people are silly and they believe conspiracy theories and they don’t want to take the adequate treatment. And that’s going to get everybody else sick, which doesn’t really make sense.
    Joe Rogan But the whole thought behind it is that this is temporary, but it’s never temporary. Power lost is never regained all freedoms lost unless you fight for them. They’re kind of lost forever. And so these people that are giving into these green passes, and they’re seeing that in Israel now, right where Israel used to be, you have two vaccines, two shots, and then you get the green pass and you’re considered fully vaccinated. You can enter society.
    Joe Rogan Now they’re saying, no. Now you have to have a third. And now they’re considering a fourth, which is wild and there’s no end in sight.

    Israel vs Uttar Pradesh.

  143. 143
    Scamp says:

    KF, sorry, could you repeat that?

  144. 144
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, what is “fringe” but a label-dismiss tactic? I took time out to lay out some key info from pretty wired in highly qualified people. Also, there is a two minute takedown of a significant media narrative on the table. Let’s see your cogent, substantial response. KF

  145. 145
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, scroll up and read or click links and watch. KF

  146. 146
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    The problem is that the tyranny’s oxygen is the obedience without asking questions . Canada was identified as a tyranny when was put to test by civil disobedience . Trudeau fail the test. The problem is not Trudeau but the people who in this context tell us to obey and trust the Tyrant because he wish well for people.
    Other people tell us that they don’t agree with protesters because they don’t like the horn. They want to sleep. Poor pansies. 😆
    “Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.”
    (Primo Levi)
    How Civil Disobedience Safeguards Freedom and Prevents Tyranny

  147. 147
    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Speaking of Israel and Pfizer:

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-israeli-data-that-nukes-the-pfizer-vaccine-what-did-pfizer-know-and-when-did-they-know-it

    On Feb. 10, the Israeli Health Ministry published (English version here) the results of a survey of adverse events among roughly 2,000 random Israelis who received booster shots. It’s shocking that it took this long for them to conduct such a survey and didn’t do this a year ago, but it’s better late than never. Just the top-line numbers from the survey should alarm us all. A total of 75% of women and 58% of men reported experiencing at least one side effect within the 21- to 30-day follow-up period of the interview. Obviously, the majority of these were minor, but 51% of the women and 35% of the men who experienced a side effect reported that as a result, they had difficulty performing daily activities.

    Full stop right there. Even before we get into more serious problems. Just the fact that the shot knocked out such a massive percentage of people clearly violates the informed consent through which the shots were marketed and most certainly makes any mandate immoral. Right off the bat, it’s clear that this is not like taking a vitamin D pill. Moreover, the fact that we have zero long-term studies, but such a massive percentage get at least a sick feeling from it in the short run should concern everyone . . . .

    The same table shows that 5.5% reported experiencing chest pain. We already know that there are major safety concerns for cardiovascular issues and that the spike protein is very pro-inflammatory and potentially thrombotic. And remember, this is 5.5% of just one dose . . . .

    4.5% of those who received booster doses reported neurological side effects . . . . 0.5% reported Bell’s palsy, which certainly can become very serious . . . . 0.29% reported being hospitalized within 30 days. That might sound like a small number, but that is a huge deal for a shot being pushed upon an entire country at once and mandated for many. Assuming the boosters aren’t worse than the previous doses, that would extrapolate to 1.6 million hospitalizations in the U.S. since the beginning of the vaccines 14 months ago, and 270,000 for the boosters, which certainly harmonizes with recent German health insurance claims data, life insurance claims increases in 2021, and Medicare billing data.

    Additionally, roughly 24% of people with pre-existing autoimmune disorders, and 5%-10% of those with diabetes, hypertension, and lung and heart disease, also reported a worsening of their condition. Auto-antibodies and autoimmune disorders are always a concern with novel antibody therapies, especially one like this for which the manufacturers brag about a hyper-antibody response.

    Also, roughly 10% of women under 54 experienced menstrual irregularities, for which 31% sought medical attention. Delayed menstruation was the most common side effect. While we can’t say definitively that this will cause reproductive issues, such a safety signal is not normal, and in conjunction with the Japanese biodistribution document from Pfizer’s animal study showing lipid nanoparticles, which are pro-inflammatory, depositing in the ovaries, it is the job of the government to prove conclusively that this is not a problem, not the other way around . . . .

    To be clear, this is a randomized survey, not concrete proof of diagnosis. So for those “fact checkers” out there, we are not asserting based on scientific law that the shots absolutely cause X percentage of specific adverse events. But that is not our job. We are not the ones endorsing, marketing, distributing, and mandating the shots. It is their job, after multiple avenues of safety signals showing unprecedented issues, to clean up their act before even continuing the distribution, much less making it mandatory.

    There is no way the public would have initially embraced the shots had they been told even the most conservative estimate of adverse events we likely experienced, not to mention the waning efficacy.

    Contrast, the impact in Uttar Pradesh of an early treatment, address the household based approach and the effect, effectively ending the pandemic there. And yes, Ivermectin [see dosage on the label, 12 mg, 2x daily, 5 days], Doxycycline, Zn, Vits D and C, were the key drugs and supplements.

    We are dealing with a false dilemma instituted as policy and dominant narrative, enabling a degree of surveillance and control with now victimisation of dissenters that we need to address seriously.

    KF

  148. 148
    jerry says:

    Where have I suggested that I was a statist? I have stated that I think Trudeau is an idiot. I have stated that Trudeau should have met with them. I have stated that I was opposed to the enacting of the emergencies act. I have stated that I don’t oppose the protesting of COVID restrictions. But I have committed the unpardonable sin of disagreeing with the tactics used by the trucker convoy. The strategy of constantly harassing those who live in Ottawa because they didn’t get an audience with Trudeau. Sorry, but I do not support childish, immature behaviour. My parents taught me this.

    There’s one obvious thing missing from this comment that was not included.

    That is the truckers were right on the science and the government has been lying. When I presented this, I was criticized for not supporting it.

    Then when someone supported it, it was ignored.

    The virus became a big deal almost two years ago to the day. My wife and I left on a cruise on February 29 from Los Angeles and all was normal in the country. When we got to Ft Lauderdale on March 17th, the country/world was in disarray.

    Since that time on this fringe site about 200 OPs and 20,000 comments have been written on the virus. A high percentage focused on the science behind the virus and treatment.

    So we know a lot and could dump a couple books sort of evidence and logic to defend the truckers and expose the bad/bogus information governments including the US and Canada have disseminated.

    So the debate is on nothing in your comment but what was left out.

    If the truckers were wrong on the science, no one here would be defending them and their behavior. But they are essentially right and the Canadian government is egregiously wrong. So we are defending the truckers and highly criticizing the actions of the Canadian and Ottawa governments.

    It’s not just those we are criticizing. We are criticizing most of the US government which has been inept or more likely willfully misinforming the American public.

    As I said above, there are four main groups. The first is getting larger and is made up of people realizing the virus was serious but badly overblown. The second is those who believe what their governments have told them but really don’t understand the specifics, the third is the one controlling the narrative and creating the fear and are the government bureaucrats of the left. The fourth is an ultra left extremely dysfunctional group who control academia and much of education to influence people.

    The third group feeds the fourth group because they need the votes they will supply.

    We can point to names and identities and have on this thread and the previous ones on the trucker convoy.

    This site is based on evidence and logic. It is focused mainly around origins of physical phenomena. But often drifts to topics of right and wrong.

  149. 149
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, what is “fringe” but a label-dismiss tactic?

    You are the expert at labeling people to justify dismissing them, so I will take your word for it.

  150. 150
    Scamp says:

    Jerry@148, I am not discussing the science because it is irrelevant with regard to whether or not the truckers actions were justified.

    These are the facts. They came to Ottawa with demands that no government would accept. Because the government wouldn’t give them an audience they decided to occupy several blocks of downtown Ottawa, which is home for thousands of people, blocked traffic, harassed residents and blasted their horns at all hours of the day. Even when they were given a reasonable court order to stop blowing their horns, they disobeyed the order. These are not the actions of peaceful protesters. These are the actions of spoiled, selfish, immature people.

  151. 151
    jerry says:

    I am not discussing the science because it is irrelevant with regard to whether or not the truckers actions were justified.

    You will not get too many people agreeing with that conclusion given the facts.

    Most people who would agree are ignorant of the truth or have dishonest motives. You do not have that excuse. Since you know the truth.

  152. 152
    jerry says:

    The American Truck Convoy is outside of Indianapolis today.

    https://thepeoplesconvoy.org/

  153. 153
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    You will not get too many people agreeing with that conclusion given the facts.

    So, you believe that occupying streets and harassing innocent citizens over several weeks is an appropriate form of protest. Well, the vast majority of people in Canada would disagree.

  154. 154
    Lieutenant Commander Data says:

    Police from NZ act exactly like police from Canada. Convoy2022NZ
    https://twitter.com/_FreeNZ/status/1498971272914808832

  155. 155
    jerry says:

    Well, the vast majority of people in Canada would disagree

    If that’s true, it is a major indictment of the Canadian people as not caring for others and their willingness to believe lies for their own comfort.

    By the way that’s true nearly everywhere. A large percentage of the people don’t care a rat’s rear end about others.

  156. 156
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Jerry

    If that’s true, it is a major indictment of the Canadian people as not caring for others and their willingness to believe lies for their own comfort.

    True. They didn’t care about the truth of the matter – which was, indeed, about the science. So they supported an unjust use of the law against fellow citizens without even being interested enough to investigate the bogus science.
    Additionally, the use of the emergency act was unjustified and therefore should be considered “against the law”. But the prime minister can abuse the law for his own benefit.

  157. 157
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @139-142,
    All I can say is “Wow!”

    Thanks for posting these messages. It’s a long read with typical text-to-speech issues, but well worth it! I found out a number of things that I didn’t know, some shocking, such as the mysterious destruction of the second largest plant making hydroxychoroquine, mercenaries raiding pharmacies and destroying their supplies, and the US refusing to release their stocks of hydroxychoroquine, an FDA-approved drug being also used to treat lupus, malaria, and rheumatoid arthritis.

    The civil authorities said “follow the science,” but they had successfully hijacked the science for their own purposes, destroying reputations of researchers, causing a huge number of deaths and massive profits for the drug companies. The media suppressed amazing success stories in parts of the world where treatment protocols with hydroxycholoquine, Ivermectin, Zinc, vitamin C, and vitamin D were allowed.

    But the emergency has revealed to truckers and many other hard-working people that their Charter Rights, the U.S. Constitution, and other social contracts can now be suspended and superseded at any time that the government decides to announce a New Crisis, however trivial or bogus.

    But it’s clear that some people Deeply Resent expressions of dissent and civil disobedience (breaking the law-gasp!) such as honking horns, speaking or singing in public, or causing traffic problems because these inconveniences and annoyances are an intolerably Massive Imposition on them when compared to merely losing their civil rights, liberties, and bodily autonomy to inflated bureaucrats and the corpulent oligarchs they obey.

    They have no objection, of course, to wearing their government ear tags and having numbers tatooed on their left buttock as they are herded into long queues, filling out endless forms, and waiting for hours to receive their monthly shots, pills, ration cards, and right-to-exist papers.

    And being constantly under surveillance in all that they do, say, or write is a small price to pay for the security of knowing that they have a place in line from their birth to when they’re pleasantly and humanly euthanized for the good of society and the environment at age 60.

    Have a nice life.

    -Q

  158. 158
    jerry says:

    An article written by Melissa Lantsman, a Jewish conservative member of Canadian parliament

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-trudeau-there-are-only-canadians-who-agree-with-him-and-nazis-opinion/ar-AAUvDud

  159. 159
    jerry says:

    Denyse,

    Here is a YouTube of the SNL skit on COVID

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k6xroHtn-8&t=8s

  160. 160
    Scamp says:

    Jerry, we are not permitted to open that link in Canada.

  161. 161
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    If that’s true, it is a major indictment of the Canadian people as not caring for others…

    On this we agree. The truckers clearly showed that they didn’t care about others when they decided to occupy several blocks of downtown Ottawa, making life miserable for those who lived there.

    There are peaceful ways to protest, and I would defend those who do so even if I disagreed with their cause. But the truckers didn’t opt for this approach. Instead, they chose to petulantly take their frustrations out on innocent people like a schoolyard bully. And, like most schoolyard bullies, they reaped the consequences of their actions.

  162. 162
    Querius says:

    There are peaceful ways to protest, and I would defend those who do so even if I disagreed with their cause.

    Yes, as long as the protests are held in designated 3m x 3m plots in the Northwest Territories from 8:00 am to 8:12 am on Monday morning without a crowd greater than three people and after filling out permission forms along with a $250 application fee 8 months in advance along with an environmental impact report proving that gyrfalcon nesting sites cannot possibly be disturbed.

    These regulations will merely ensure that no one is disturbed, especially government officials, MPs, and the CBC, so that the fascist Canadian government can continue their operation without interference from the uninformed and disrespectful workers of Canada.

    -Q

  163. 163
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Yes, as long as the protests are held in designated 3m x 3m plots in the Northwest Territories from 8:00 am to 8:12 am on Monday morning without a crowd greater than three people and after filling out permission forms along with a $250 application fee 8 months in advance along with an environmental impact report proving that gyrfalcon nesting sites cannot possibly be disturbed.

    OK. So you agree with Jerry. The ends justify the means. Sorry. I have higher standards. And family that live in downtown Ottawa. Nobody should have to deal with what the selfish truckers put them through.

  164. 164
    Querius says:

    Nobody should have to deal with what the selfish truckers put them through.

    Absolutely correct! Just because a bunch of nobody truckers “taking up space” lose their jobs or can’t make a decent living without taking the clot shot doesn’t compare to the agony of having to get up off your couch to get the remote and turn up the volume! You’re right in saying that it’s intolerable and probably worse than what the selfish Ukrainians now have to suffer because of their selfish and ridiculous desire for freedom!

    And then to have to walk through the streets of Ottawa among people with creepy smiles and intrusively gregarious behavior is a disgrace. Nobody should be allowed to be happy and party for freedom in Ottawa. Let them do it in the Northwest Territories where they won’t disturb anyone.

    You’re absolutely right!

    -Q

  165. 165
    Scamp says:

    Querius, sarcasm doesn’t become you.

    We are not talking about the validity of the cause of the protesters. We are talking about the actions they took. They didn’t get the attention from the government they wanted so they took their frustration out on the people who lived in the neighbourhood. Like a bunch of immature selfish kids. They had other options but they decided to react by taking away the freedom of others. So much for their claim that they were fighting for the freedom of everyone.

    Again, two wrongs don’t make a right. The ends don’t justify the means.

  166. 166
    News says:

    Scamp at 160: The SNL skit may be accessed via Twitter. Search the OP for: Kate McKinnon

  167. 167
    jerry says:

    The SNL skit may be accessed via Twitter. Search the OP for: Kate McKinnon

    The YouTube is much longer and though it contains everything the other link has it is less funny. The really funny part is in the twitter link.

    A devastating article on the science.

    The Truth Is Coming Out About COVID Deaths

    In the UK

    So, in all, for the 21 months covering January 2020 through September 2021, the total COVID-19 death toll in England and Wales was 17,371 — a far cry from what’s been reported. As of the end of September 2021, the U.K. government reported there were 137,133 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, and these deaths were therefore all counted as “COVID deaths.”

    In a January 19, 2022, press conference, U.K. health secretary Sajid Javid admitted that the daily government figures are unreliable as people have been and continue to die from conditions unrelated to COVID-19, but are included in the count due to a positive test.

    These are some of the findings hidden by Western governments.

    For the US I highly recommend Scott Atlas’s book, “A Plague Upon Our House.”

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-truth-is-coming-out-about-covid-deaths_4309806.html

    Essentially the whole pandemic while not trivial has been exaggerated and the true deaths are much less than what are reported.

    On my iPad using Safari there is a reader option that takes out all the ads and on this article allows one to read the entire article without signing up for anything.

  168. 168
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, your projections and accusations now lead to clear signs of cognitive dissonance, thus confession by projection. So bitter are you to those you disagree with that you have sidestepped legitimate grievance, refusal to attend to remonstrance, police abuse and more. As for your attempt to smear me as merely emptily namecalling people, that rebounds on you as confession by projection; it is manifest to any fair minded person that I have spent my efforts for years on addressing issues of design, linked matters and latterly as deeper matters come out, logic and first principles. Beyond, the underlying trollish tactic you have indulged is toxic, polarising distraction. For example in the past couple of days I took time to lay out in sufficient detail, matters on the suppressed policy alternatives, especially treatment, and that from people who are not only qualified but are proving to be far more correct than the officialdom narrative. That is where you would be well advised to focus. KF

  169. 169
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    We are not talking about the validity of the cause of the protesters. We are talking about the actions they took.

    The two things are linked. If their cause was unjust or invalid, that would affect any defense of their protest. Additionally, the response from the government feeds into the protest.
    If the emergency act was declared unjustly (or illegally), then demands for justice would be defensible.
    You seem to be looking at just one narrow aspect of a complex problem.

  170. 170
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    The two things are linked. If their cause was unjust or invalid, that would affect any defense of their protest.

    No. You have the right to protest, regardless of the cause or the validity of the cause.

    Additionally, the response from the government feeds into the protest.

    It can certainly infuriate the protesters but that is no justification to change it from a peaceful protest to an occupation in which citizens living in the area are constantly harassed.

    If the emergency act was declared unjustly (or illegally), then demands for justice would be defensible.

    I believe that the act was invoked unjustly. But that doesn’t justify the occupation and constant harassment. There are many other means of protest that could have been used but they decided to take there frustration out on innocent people living in the area. That is not the action of an aggrieved group, that is the action of a selfish group of individuals.

    You seem to be looking at just one narrow aspect of a complex problem.

    What is complex about it? People have a legal right to protest peacefully. They don’t have the legal right to occupy several blocks of a city and constantly harass the people living there. It has absolutely nothing to do with what they are protesting or the validity of their cause.

  171. 171
    Scamp says:

    News and Jerry at 166 and 167. Thank you. I will take a look.

  172. 172
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    That is where you would be well advised to focus. KF

    Not interested. I am only interested in discussing acceptable and unacceptable means of protest. These are independent on the reason for the protest.

  173. 173
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Scamp

    You have the right to protest, regardless of the cause or the validity of the cause.

    You’re not going on and on about a protest, but what you call an occupation.

    It can certainly infuriate the protesters but that is no justification to change it from a peaceful protest to an occupation in which citizens living in the area are constantly harassed.

    People have the right to resist illegal actions taken against them. It would be illegal, for example, to hold someone up at gunpoint. In that case, a violent reaction against that would be justified.

    What is complex about it? People have a legal right to protest peacefully. They don’t have the legal right …

    You’ve simplified the complexity by pointing merely to the illegality.
    As I said, it’s illegal to kill someone with a gun. In your view, anybody who does that under any situation should be convicted for 1st degree murder. No complexity at all to be found.
    But in reality, one can be legally justified based on the situation and can even be found to be a hero for killing someone with a gun.
    As I said, we are free and actually are responsible for stopping illegal activities done against ourself or against others. Depending on the nature of the illegal activity will cause the complexity that I mentioned when understanding the defense.
    You shouldn’t just oversimplify (as you continually do) by saying “it’s illegal”.

  174. 174
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, in short you refuse to acknowledge escalation, underlying grievance and unresponsiveness to remonstrance, existence of alternatives that have been locked out without good cause, and more. back in 2020, I objected to extremism for cause, rioting, looting, mayhem, murder, arson. Did you? I’ll bet there is nowhere you are on record at that time, the real issue is you do not wish to address the grievance, do not wish to acknowledge unresponsiveness and implication, escalation and abuse. KF

  175. 175
    kairosfocus says:

    SA, it is obvious there is no intent to address a grave underlying issue. We may infer for cause that there is no sound defence of the policy position taken by officialdom. So, it is time to duly record that and turn to the substantial issue that needs to be resolved, the causus belli. KF

  176. 176
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    You’re not going on and on about a protest, but what you call an occupation.

    Once they camped out it became an occupation. But it was still a protest.
    People have the right to resist illegal actions taken against them. It
    What illegal actions were being taken against them while they were camping out and harassing the people who lived there?

    You shouldn’t just oversimplify (as you continually do) by saying “it’s illegal”.

    I was not oversimplifying. They intentionally took their frustrations out on innocent people simply because they didn’t get their way. That is childish. They had numerous other avenues for protest but they opted for one that would disrupt the lives of people living in the area and continuously harassing them. That steps over the line between a legal peaceful protest to an illegal act against others.

  177. 177
    kairosfocus says:

    FYI: UK Daily Expose on significance of CV-19 statistics

    https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/01/russia-distraction-uk-gov-revealed-triple-vaccinated-account-9-in-10-covid-deaths/

    In all, between 24th Jan and 20th Feb, there were a total of 1,490,464 Covid-19 cases recorded across England, and the triple vaccinated population accounted for 752,126 of them, whilst the not-vaccinated population accounted for 404,030 of them but 303,107 of those cases were among children.

    Overall the vaccinated population accounted for 1,086,434 cases, meaning they accounted for 73% of all Covid-19 cases between 24th Jan and 20th Feb 22. But if we remove children from the equation we find that the vaccinated population accounted for 91% of all Covid-19 cases among over 18’s in England.

    Table 11, found on page 42 of the latest report shows the number of Covid-19 hospitalisations by vaccination status in England between 24th Jan and 20th Feb 22, and it confirms the vast majority were again recorded among the triple vaccinated population . . . .

    In all, there were 4,861 Covid-19 deaths between 24th Jan and 20th Feb 22, and the triple vaccinated population accounted for 3,120 of them. Whilst the not-vaccinated population accounted for just 559.

    Overall, the vaccinated population accounted for 89% of all Covid-19 deaths during these four weeks, with 4,302 recorded deaths. This means the vaccinated population now account for 9 in every 10 deaths, and the triple vaccinated population account for 4 in every 5 of them.

    So, at this stage, we see underscored that the vaccine does not effectively prevent coming down with Covid-19, nor hospitalisation nor death. This undermines the false dilemma: endless train of CV19 shots vs you antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers. That puts the undue suppression of treatments as was already discussed, to the centre of the problem. And it means that that suppression is in material part responsible for the ongoing pandemic and its consequences — including, arguably, huge needless economic and social dislocation and mass loss of life, where if serious circulatory system and other damage result from the imposed vaccination, mass loss of health might have to be added to the list . . . over the next several years we will more clearly see on this last. Gross policy fail.

    It also points to vaxx passports and linked surveillance and control are not responsibly justified policies. Discrimination against, marginalisation/scapegoating of and cultivation of hostility towards those who differ with officialdom is unjustified.

    There is serious cause for grievance.

    KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, you ignore again the underlying grave context. Remonstrance on serious grievance in face of stubborn policy failure being marginalised, then escalation by officialdom towards surveillance and control state, threatening livelihood. You will likely sidestep the latest summary on epidemic issues, but they carry serious significance. KF

    PS: Civil Disobedience, from SEP:

    From the Boston Tea Party to Mahatma Gandhi’s Salt March, and from suffragists’ illegally casting their ballots to whites-only lunch counter sit-ins, civil disobedience has often played a crucial role in bending the proverbial arc of the moral universe toward justice. But what, if anything, do these acts, and countless others which we refer to as civil disobedience have in common? What distinguishes them from other forms of conscientious and political action?

    On the most widely accepted account, civil disobedience is a public, non-violent and conscientious breach of law undertaken with the aim of bringing about a change in laws or government policies (Rawls 1999, 320). On this account, people who engage in civil disobedience operate at the boundary of fidelity to law, have general respect for their regime, and are willing to accept the legal consequences of their actions, as evidence of their fidelity to the rule of law. Civil disobedience, given its place at the boundary of fidelity to law, is said on this view to fall between legal protest, on the one hand, and conscientious refusal, uncivil disobedience, militant protest, organized forcible resistance, and revolutionary action, on the other hand . . . .

    for an act to be civilly disobedient, it must involve some breach of law. In democratic societies, civil disobedience as such is not a crime. When an agent who engages in civil disobedience is punished by the law, it is not for “civil disobedience,” but for the recognized offenses she commits, such as disturbing the peace, trespassing, damaging property, picketing, violating official injunctions, intimidation, and so on.

    When civil disobedients directly break the law that they oppose – such as Rosa Parks violating the Montgomery, Alabama, city ordinance requiring African Americans to sit at the back of public buses and give up those seats to white riders if the front of the bus filled up – they engage in direct civil disobedience. By contrast, when disobedients break a law which, other things being equal, they do not oppose, in order to demonstrate their protest against another law or policy – such as anti-war protesters staging sit-ins in government buildings – they engage in indirect civil disobedience. The distinction between direct and indirect civil disobedience is mainly relevant to the possibility of mounting constitutional test cases, since one cannot test the constitutionality of a law in court without actually breaching it. Although some scholars argue that direct civil disobedience is preferable to its indirect counterpart because it is most clearly legible as an act of protest against the law breached (C. Cohen 1966, 4–5), most scholars maintain the acceptability of indirect disobedience given that not all unjust laws or policies can be disobeyed directly

    Food for thought.

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    KF

    So, it is time to duly record that and turn to the substantial issue that needs to be resolved, the causus belli.

    Agreed.

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    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: A list of 50 techniques of marginalisation, starting with HCQ:

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/

    Let me excerpt, but take time to read the full explanation:

    It is remarkable that a large series of events taking place over the past months produced a unified message about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), and produced similar policies about the drug in the US, Canada, Australia, NZ and western Europe. The message is that generic, inexpensive hydroxychloroquine (costing only $1.00 to produce a full course) is dangerous and should not be used to treat a potentially fatal disease, Covid-19, for which there are no (other) reliable treatments.

    Hydroxychloroquine has been used safely for 65 years in many millions of patients. And so the message was crafted that the drug is safe for its other uses, but dangerous when used for Covid-19. It doesn’t make sense, but it seems to have worked.

    In the US, “Never Trump” morphed into “Never Hydroxychloroquine,” and the result for the pandemic is “Never Over.” But while anti-Trump spin is what characterized suppression strategies in the US, the frauds perpetrated about hydroxychloroquine and the pandemic include most western countries.

    Why do I say “Never Over”? I am expanding on this claim with a), b), c) on August 30. Later in the paper additional evidence is provided.

    a) Because if people were treated with HCQ at the onset of their illness [–> ditto, Ivermectin etc], over 99% would quickly resolve the infection, avoiding progression to the late stage disease characterized by cytokine storm, thrombophilia and organ failure. Despite claims to the contrary, this treatment is very safe. (Yet outpatient treatment is banned in many US states.) UPDATE Jan 15: The CDC forgot to rewrite its guidance on malaria and hydroxychloroquine during Covid. CDC says hydroxychloroquine “can be safely taken by pregnant women and nursing mothers…” Only “when it is used at higher doses for many years, a rare eye condition called retinopathy has occurred.“

    b)If people were treated prophylactically with this drug (using only 2 tablets weekly) as is done in some areas and in some occupational groups in India, there would probably be at least 50% fewer cases after exposure. (Such treatment is currently banned in much of the US, including in my state of Maine.)

    c) Protocols for in-hospital treatment (that were unknown during the initial peak of illness in the US and Europe) using HCQ and individually selected blood thinners, steroids, vitamins, zinc and other drugs such as used at NYU, have significantly reduced mortality of the very small number of people who might still progress to a serious illness. (The FDA, however, recommends against the use of HCQ outside of clinical trials, and the CDC and NIH recommend against it.)

    If we followed a), b) and c) the result would be much briefer periods of infectiousness, lower viral loads, less severe illness and considerably less transmission. The R zero (average number of people each case infects) would drop below one and the pandemic would soon die out.

    Already sobering, now let us be far more sharp in cutting to summarise:

    1. You stop doctors from using the drug in ways it is most likely to be effective (in outpatients at onset of illness). You prohibit use outside of situations you can control.

    Situations that were controlled to show no benefit included 3 large, randomized, multi-center clinical trials (Recovery, Solidarity and REMAP-Covid), the kind of trials that are generally believed to yield the most reliable evidence. However, each of them used excessive hydroxychloroquine doses that were known to be toxic . . .

    2. You prevent or limit use in outpatients by controlling the supply of the drug [making it effectively unavailable] . . .

    3. You play up the danger of the drug, emphasizing side effects that are very rare when the drug is used correctly . . .

    4. You limit clinical trials to hospitalized patients, instead of testing the drug in outpatients, early in the illness, when it is predicted to be most effective . . .

    5. You design a series of clinical trials to give much too high a dose, ensuring the drug will cause harm in some subjects, sufficient to mask any possible beneficial effect. You make sure that trials in 400 hospitals in 35 countries (Solidarity) plus most hospitals in the UK (Recovery) use these dangerous doses, as well as additional sites in 13 countries (REMAP-Covid trial) . . . .

    6. You design clinical trials to collect almost no safety data, so any cause of death due to drug toxicity will be attributed to the disease instead of the drug.

    7. You issue rules for use of the drug based on the results of the UK Recovery study, which overdosed patients . . .

    8. You publish, in the world’s most-read medical journal, the Lancet, an observational study from a massive worldwide database named Surgisphere (which includes 96,000 hospitalized Covid cases) that says use of chloroquine drugs caused significantly increased mortality. This was said to be the paper to end all controversy about HCQ and Covid-19. You make sure that all major media report on this result . . .

    9. You do your best to ride out any controversy over the veracity of this paper, never admitting culpability . . .

    10. You ensure federal agencies like FDA and CDC hew to your desired policies. Some examples: a) FDA advised use only in hospitalized patients (too late) and later advised use restricted to only clinical trials (which are limited, are difficult to enroll in, have been halted prematurely, or may use excessive doses).

    b) you have FDA make unsubstantiated and false claims, such as: “Hospitalized patients were likely to have greater prospect of benefit (compared to ambulatory patients with mild illness)“ and claim the chloroquine drugs have a slow onset of action . . .

    11. You make sure to avoid funding/encouraging clinical trials that test drug combinations like hydroxychloroquine with zinc, with azithromycin, or with both, although there is ample clinical evidence that such combinations provide a cumulative benefit to patients . . .

    12. You have federal and UN agencies make false, illogical claims based on models (or invention) rather than human data. For example, you have the FDA state on June 15 that the dose required to treat Covid is so high it is toxic, after the Recovery and Solidarity trials have been exposed for toxic dosing. This scientific double-speak gives some legal cover to the clinical trials that overdosed their patients . . .

    13. You create an NIH Guidelines committee for Covid treatment recommendations, in which 16 members have or had financial entanglements with Gilead, maker of Remdesivir. [–> which is notoriously toxic] The members were appointed by the Co-Chairs. Two of the three Co-Chairs are themselves financially entangled with Gilead . . .

    14. You frighten doctors so they don’t prescribe hydroxychloroquine, if prescribing it is even allowed in their jurisdiction, because prescribing outside the new NIH “standard of care” leaves them open to both malpractice lawsuits and potential loss of license . . .

    15. You manage to control the conduct of most trials around the world by specially designing the WHO-managed Solidarity trials, currently conducted in 35 countries. WHO halted hydroxychloroquine clinical trials around the world, twice. The first time, May 25, WHO claimed it was in response to the (fraudulent) Lancet study. The second time, June 17, WHO claimed the stop was in response to the Recovery trial results. Recovery used highly toxic doses of hydroxychloroquine in over 1500 patients, of whom 396 died. You stop the trial before the data safety monitoring board has looked at your data, a move that is unlikely to be consistent with trial protocol . . .

    16. You have the WHO pressure governments to stop doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

    17. You have the WHO pressure professional societies to stop doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine.

    18. You make sure that the most-consulted US medical encyclopedia, UptoDate, advises physicians to restrict hydroxychloroquine to only clinical trials, citing the FDA.

    19. You have the head of the Coronavirus Task Force, Dr. Tony Fauci, insist the drug cannot be used in the absence of strong evidence…while he insisted exactly the opposite in the case of the MERS coronavirus outbreak several years ago, when he recommended an untested drug combination for use…which had been developed for that purpose by his agency. And while he was bemoaning the lack of evidence, he was refusing to pay for trials to study hydroxychloroquine, and cancelled two NIAID-sponsored trials of outpatient HCQ before completion. And he changed the goalposts on the Remdesivir trial, not once but twice, to make Remdesivir show a tiny bit of benefit, but no mortality benefit. Yet don’t forget, Fauci was thrilled to sponsor a trial of a Covid vaccine (partly owned by his agency) in humans, before there were any data from animal studies. So much for Fauci’s requirement for high quality evidence, before risking use of drugs and vaccines in humans.

    20. You convince the population that the crisis will be long-lasting. You have the 2nd richest man in the world, and biggest funder of the WHO, Bill Gates, keep repeating to the media megaphone that we cannot go back to normal until everyone has been vaccinated or there is a perfect drug . . .

    21. You have CDC (with help from FDA) prevent the purchase of coronavirus test kits from Germany, China, WHO, etc, and fail to produce a valid test kit themselves. The result was that during January and February, US cases could not be tested, and for months thereafter insufficient and unreliable test kits made it impossible to track the epidemic and stop the spread.

    22. You have trusted medical spokesmen lie to the public about the pandemic’s severity, so precautions weren’t taken when they might have been more effective and less long-lasting . . .

    23. You destroy the reputation of respected physicians who stand in your way. Professor Didier Raoult and his team in Marseille have used hydroxychloroquine on over 4,000 patients, reporting a mortality rate of about 0.8%. (The mortality rate of patients given hydroxychloroquine in the Recovery trial was 25.7%.) . . .

    24. You have social media platforms ban content that does not agree with the desired narrative . . .

    25. When your clinical trials are criticized for overdosing patients, you quickly have Oxford-affiliated, Wellcome Trust-supported scientists at Mahidol University publish papers (a literature review with modeling and a modeling study) purporting to show that the doses used were not toxic . . .

    26. You change your trial’s primary outcome measures after the trials have started, in order to prevent detection of drug-induced deaths (Recovery) or to make your drug appear to have efficacy (NIAID Remdesivir trial).

    27. You stop manufacturers from supplying the drug . . .

    28. You attempt to retract published papers that provide evidence to support use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID.

    29. You have your ‘bought’ scientists conceal their financial conflicts of interest in their HCQ clinical trials and publications as well as in the guidelines they produce.

    30. You can get your experimental, unlicensed drugs tested, much more expeditiously and cheaply than under ordinary circumstances, on Covid patients in large clinical trials, but only as long as no drug is designated effective for the condition. This opportunity only lasts while the “standard of care” for early Covid disease is nothing more than supportive measures, since no drug is deemed effective.

    31. You have a research organization with big Pharma members (A.O.K.I.) pressure the Russian Ministry of Health to remove hydroxychloroquine from its treatment guidelines.

    32. You stopped use of hydroxychloroquine, allegedly in response to the fabricated Lancet study, in France, Italy and Belgium (countries with very high COVID mortality rates) then Portugal then Switzerland. But Switzerland restarted using HCQ 15 days later. This created a natural experiment in Switzerland. About 2 weeks after hydroxychloroquine use was halted, death rates approximately tripled, for about 15 days. Then, after its use was allowed again, two weeks later death rates from Covid fell back to their baseline . . .

    33. You reverse an old trick of clinical trials, to mask benefit of hydroxychloroquine. The trick was to replace the saline placebo with a substance that is being used by many clinicians and in many trials against Covid, thus by comparison likely to reduce the positive effect of your tested medication. This was done in trials both at NYU and at University of Washington, using vitamin C or vitamin C plus folate respectively as placebos.

    34. You have the chief medical officers of Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the director of the UK’s National Health Service, write to UK doctors, a) urging them to enroll their Covid patients in one of 3 national clinical trials, two of which greatly overdosed patients with hydroxychloroquine, and b) stopping their use of “off license treatments” outside of a trial. Yet again, we encounter a veiled threat against clinicians actually attempting to treat the primary SARS-Cov-2 infection . . .

    35. You have a state Pharmacy Board refuse to dispense hydroxychloroquine outside of clinical trials on June 15, citing the FDA recommendation for use only in trials. You issue this new regulation on the same day that FDA publishes its recommendation, indicating prior coordination. But when your regulation is exposed on July 14, you immediately rescind it.

    36. You have the IMF offer rapid financing to Belarus, but only if it follows the recommended model of Covid response and imposes quarantines, isolation and curfews.

    37. A group of doctors went to Washington DC July 27-28. They called themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” and gave a press conference and livestream talks about the Covid-19 pandemic as well as about the need for physicians to be able to prescribe HCQ freely. While the media sparsely attended the press conference, the livestream got millions of views. And within hours, their livestream was banned by Google, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Twitter was said to additionally ban comments about its ban. Then Squarespace took down the Frontline Doctors’ website.

    Today, Bitchute is hosting their press conference. So is Brighteon. In those media that do discuss the event, the group is tarred for providing misinformation.

    38. After the HCQ issue got so much attention on social media, you impose another ban on July 29 on the prescribing of HCQ for Covid, starting July 30 in Ohio, using its Pharmacy Board to dictate to physicians what they may not prescribe. (A repeat of #35 in a different state.) Ohio, with the governor’s approval, had first limited hydroxychloroquine dispensing on March 22. At least 3 other states limited its dispensing at the same time . . .

    39. After having Google take down physician James Todaro’s article on hydroxychloroquine for 4 months, you allow it to resurface right before Google’s (and Facebook’s and Amazon’s and Apple’s) CEOs testify before Congress on July 29 on censorship and abuse of power. You have Twitter warn that Todaro’s article is at an unsafe link.

    40. After massive attention to the banning of the videos posted by the physician group ‘America’s Frontline Physicians’ and its website, you make intense efforts to discredit the physicians involved . . .

    41. Hydroxychloroquine use is truly the wedge issue for understanding and turning around the pandemic. If hydroxychloroquine works reasonably well as a prophylactic and treatment for Covid-19, it could potentially end the severity of the pandemic, greatly reduce transmission, and return us to life as we knew it. You must make use of the levers of government, plus mainstream media and social media, to stop that from happening . . .

    42. You use state Medical Licensing Boards to threaten doctors who claim there is a cure for Covid-19.

    43. You have Dr. Fauci discredit published observational studies that show benefit during a Congressional hearing, demanding randomized controlled trials. Fauci never tells the Committee he has cancelled the one randomized controlled trial of HCQ that his agency, NIAID, had promised to conduct on HCQ. NIAID claimed that it could not enroll enough subjects, and the study was cancelled after only 20 were enrolled. However, Fauci told the Committee that 250,000 Americans have shown interest in participating in trials of a Covid vaccine. It is difficult to reconcile such extreme lack of interest in a treatment trial, and such massive interest in a vaccine trial.

    Doctors who wrote studies showing HCQ benefit, even when used late (50% mortality reduction) have defended their work from Fauci’s criticism of it to Congress.

    44. You erode the doctor’s primary responsibility to the patient, replacing it with the need to perform clinical research . . .

    45. You use the term “stellar” to describe the Recovery trial in the August 5, 2020 NY Times, but avoid any hint that the Recovery trial’s hydroxychloroquine arm gave 1500 patients a toxic, potentially lethal dose, of whom over 25% died.

    46. You censure and oust from the Detroit Democrats a state legislator because she credited HCQ for saving her life when she had Covid-19, and she publicly thanked President Trump for bringing the drug to her attention. It had been extremely difficult for her to obtain the drug, because her governor, Gretchen Whitmer, had banned use of the drug for Covid.

    47. Despite assuring you control the outcome of the vast majority of randomized clinical trials of the chloroquine drugs, you have been thwarted by physician researchers in Detroit, Spain, Italy, France, Saudi Arabia who publish their observational results with hydroxychloroquine, showing the drug dramatically reduces mortality from Covid.

    Doctors in Turkey, the US and Canada, and the US show that HCQ’s cardiac toxicity is negligible. So you have frontman Tony Fauci repeatedly dismiss this evidence from thousands of patients, since it did not come from randomized controlled trials. See c19study.com for a compilation of 99 (58 peer reviewed) studies of the chloroquine drugs in Covid-19, and convince yourself what the overall data truly show.

    48. You have Wikipedia write the following about Covid and HCQ: “all clinical trials conducted during 2020 found it is ineffective and may cause dangerous side effects.” The footnotes refer to only a handful of trials, while a compilation of all 99 studies (of different types, including meta-analyses and observational studies) on the drug in Covid-19 tells a completely different story.

    49. You electronically disappear articles favorable to HCQ . . .

    50. Can we begin to connect the dots between those who fraudulently suppressed effective treatments for Covid-19, and those who wish to maintain the pandemic crisis to remake the world? Today, on 9/11, Oxford epidemiologist Dr. Peter Horby, a principal investigator for the Recovery trial in which 396 people who were overdosed with hydroxychloroquine died, retweeted a tweet from the World Economic Forum about the environmental benefits of using bicycles. Horby added, “This is where we need to be headed.”

    51. From Anthony Fauci, who has perhaps done more than any other person to besmirch the value of HCQ and prevent Covid patients being treated effectively, comes a statement that seems to hearken to the World Economic Forum sentiment in #50 above. Fauci blames the pandemic (which his actions prolong) on humans damaging nature. And he suggests we must learn to live differently, in harmony with nature.

    And now, suddenly, I understand why it is so important to claim the pandemic came from human encroachment on bat territory, and not from a lab accident. Because human encroachment is being positioned to take the blame for Covid-19. (SARS-1, Ebola and SARS-2 are claimed to have arisen from humans living too close to bats, eating them and getting infected, starting epidemics–but this has not been proven for either SARS epidemic, nor proven for the Ebola epidemics.). This is not Fauci waxing eloquent about nature . . .

    52. Even though the famous Mehra/Desai Lancet paper claiming HCQ and CQ caused hugely increased deaths was exposed as a total fabrication by the Lancet editor and retracted on June 4, the Washington Post today, on September 11, links to its favorable May 22 story about the Mehra/Desai paper–using it as the sole evidence for yet another false claim of the danger of hydroxychloroquine . . .

    53. When all else fails, would you really try to blow up much of the world supply of hydroxychloroquine? [alludes to the destruction of a factory in Taiwan] . . .

    54. Big mistake. You meant to expunge all official information about the safety of hydroxychloroquine. But you forgot to remove CDC’s malaria treatment guidance, which still tells the truth about the drug . . .

    55. Twitter censored the Brazilian Ministry of Health for tweeting to citizens that they should seek early treatment for Covid, as the sooner they get treated, the better the result. (The harmful US recommendation is to stay home and do nothing until you require hospitalization.) . . .

    56. You have the WHO issue guidance that HCQ should not be used for Covid, based on 6 multicenter trials that included over 6,000 patients. Of course, included in these trials are the ones that overdosed patients and caused 10-20% higher mortality than in the trial placebo subjects that got no treatment at all!
    If effect, WHO is confirming that when you poison patients with excessive doses they do not do well. I agree with the WHO that poisonous doses of HCQ should never be used for Covid . . .

    Further food for thought.

    Is this negligence by officialdom or worse?

    KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    SA, the HCQ credibility kill hammered out what has been done since to IVM, and of course to dissidents from the dominant narrative promoted by officialdom. We need to realise what was done to see why we are where we are, needlessly and with destructive results. KF

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    Querius says:

    Scamp @165,

    We are not talking about the validity of the cause of the protesters. We are talking about the actions they took.

    Protest through civil disobedience by definition violates a law. Please read the previous sentence one more time because you apparently haven’t understood this from your previous comments.

    Naturally the Canadian authorities and their CBC sycophants will “sell it to you” as an existential threat to democracy, and they’ll punish these “flagrant lawbreakers” through the greatest possible extrapolation of the law:

    “Criminal Mischief” will become an offense punishable by no less than five years in prison plus $100,000 fine and confiscation of the means of livelihood to “teach them a lesson.”

    And then, anything that can remotely be misinterpreted as “criminal mischief” will be charged as such.

    Now THAT will usually provide sufficient intimidation to the people who “just take up space” as Trudeau puts it.

    They didn’t get the attention from the government they wanted so they took their frustration out on the people who lived in the neighbourhood.

    Yes, the Canadian government was and still is deaf to the people they supposedly represent. When you dismiss them as a “tiny minority,” please realize that ANYONE fits into a category that can be classified as a “tiny minority” that can be ignored as such. The First Nations is one example, but not the only one. I’m sure the categories you yourself belong to also represent a “tiny minority.”

    On the contrary, from the live feeds that I scanned and watched, the truckers concentrated primarily around the Parliament building. They seemed to be friendly and helpful to the businesses by cleaning up trash and shoveling snow. I saw homeless people getting free food, and a general party atmosphere that many locals also joined in.

    I saw one business who defied government orders to remain closed to the protesters, being threatened—it looked like the police were getting ready to bash in the glass front door until they noticed that they were on camera.

    But the Canadian police, RCMP, and NATO riot squads could learn from the more experienced and more efficient Italian police:
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1498732589292605446

    Is this what you want when the fascist Canadian government responds the next time?

    Yeah, probably. Because of the “suffering” certain residents of Ottawa experienced, such a show of force will likely become increasingly common. And you’ll have your turn as well when you realize that you’ve been lied to.

    -Q

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    KF

    We need to realise what was done to see why we are where we are, needlessly and with destructive results.

    The videos you posted on media manipulation by lies and propaganda are an essential part of what was done. We need to understand that and recognize all the destruction that flows from it.

    Excellent research and summation @180

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    The government seized money from people without a court order to do so. Trudeau unjustly compared the conservative members of parliament (including Jewish ones) to Nazis. His interest was in being a political strongman, not in solving a problem among the Canadian citizens. Vaccine mandates are lifting elsewhere, but he doubled-down with excessive punishments

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    asauber says:

    If Scamp wants to play the ILLEGAL card, illegalities (some quite egregious) happen everyday in untold amounts and he probably doesn’t bat an eyelash at any of them.

    But THIS ONE, he craps his pants over.

    Andrew

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    vividbleau says:

    Asauber
    “If Scamp wants to play the ILLEGAL card, illegalities (some quite egregious) happen everyday in untold amounts and he probably doesn’t bat an eyelash at any of them.”

    In his book Three Felonies a Day, civil-liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate estimates that the average person unknowingly breaks at least three federal criminal laws every day.

    Vivid

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    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Protest through civil disobedience by definition violates a law.

    I realize this. And charges are often laid against those that take part in civil disobedience. This is a consequence that they are all aware of.

    Are you suggesting that all non-violent civil disobedience associated with protests should be ignored? Or does it depend on the cause?

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    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @180,

    Brilliant! And the confluence from these extraordinary actions emerge three unavoidable conclusions:

    1. It’s no coincidence by any stretch of the imagination.

    2. The raw power to suppress true science and dissent with multiple methods has been astonishing and revealing!

    3. The scale of the lust for power and greed for money by the government officials, mega-tech corporation executives, and the complicit media prostitutes is shocking to average people.

    When push comes to shove it’s always about who can push and shove the hardest. And THAT is precisely why the monsters running the show have as their first priority to divide working people against each other. They know that should the facade crumble and the complete truth be known, it would not end well for them if justice were served.

    And THAT is precisely what the truckers and their supporters discovered when they partied together: that their political differences were far less important than pushing back on the fascist Canadian government bent on spreading lies, incitement, and pitting the people against the people.

    What I saw from the livestreams were people delighted, refreshed, and exhilarated by freedom, unity, and joy together!

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    Scamp @188,

    Are you suggesting that all non-violent civil disobedience associated with protests should be ignored? Or does it depend on the cause?

    Unfortunately, it currently depends on the cause whether the fascist Canadian officials and CBC suppress or promote a protest.

    Ideally, truckers, First Nation people, nurses, and other “tiny fringe group” as Trudeau calls them should be able to meet with their representatives on the local, city, province, or national level before having to resort to mass protest and civil disobedience. But this obviously doesn’t work anymore because these so-called “representatives” represent only their major donors and lobbyists, and money wins elections.

    Yes, extreme civil disobedience will eventually result in a revolution or a war that removes the most evil people in society from their ill-gotten wealth and power. Unfortunately, the power vacuum this creates is almost always filled by a new set of people that turn out to be evil as well.

    As a result, I believe that human governments need to be carefully constructed from the bottom up and with “checks and balances” to divide their power.

    Eventually, a group within any government conspires to promote and sabotage their way into a takeover. Then, the people are exploited, impoverished, and marginalized once again, and the cycle repeats.

    -Q

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    Querius says:

    P.S. Former Governor Jerry Brown was well-known in the U.S. and appreciated for his pragmatism and brutal honesty. Here’s a notable quote:

    “In politics, you should take care of your friends,” said Brown, noting that both Michael Picker, president of the California Public Utilities Commission, and Rose Bird, former chief justice of the California court system, started out working for his various campaigns. “Loyalty is important. Keep the meritocracy within limits.”

    “Politics is a difficult business,” he said. “You need to raise massive sums of money from people who all want something and if you give it to them directly, you’ll go to jail. But if you don’t give it to them in some form, you won’t be elected to the next office.” – Gov. Jerry Brown, last interview, December 2018

    You might not like his observations, but they’re at least honest, which is refreshing for a change.

    -Q

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    Scamp says:

    “ Penalties against protest truck drivers expired after 1 week”
    https://apple.news/ALM6062hlSA20mWQYrS0Oaw

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    Seversky says:

    Kairosfocus/180

    F/N: A list of 50 techniques of marginalisation, starting with HCQ:

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/

    I assume this is the same Dr Meryl Nass?

    Maine Physician Suspended for COVID Misinformation

    […]

    The Maine Board of Licensure Wednesday ordered the immediate suspension of the license of a physician accused of spreading false COVID-19 information and, in a separate order Tuesday, ordered her to undergo a neuropsychological evaluation by a board-selected psychologist.

    The 30-day suspension order said that Meryl Nass, MD, an internist in Ellsworth, made a number of false COVID claims in a video interview and on her website, and that allowing her to continue to practice “constitutes an immediate jeopardy to the health and physical safety of the public.”

    “The information received by the Board demonstrates that Dr. Nass is or may be unable to practice medicine with reasonable skill and safety to her patients by reason of mental illness, alcohol intemperance, excessive use of drugs, narcotics, or as a result of a mental or physical condition interfering with the competent practice of medicine,” the Tuesday order said.

    State documents also allege that Nass lied and said a patient had Lyme disease when they did not in order to get that patient a prescription of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for COVID.

    In addition, documents state that Nass has indicated she “did not intend to comply with masking and vaccine orders,” that the federal government “won’t let us find out” how many people are immune from less severe or asymptomatic cases,” and that the government is keeping important information about COVID immunity from the public.

    Nass believes the federal government’s urging that all eligible individuals receive COVID vaccinations “doesn’t make scientific or medical sense,” and that federal officials are trying to justify “vaccine passports” to “mediate your financial transactions (and) will identify where you are any time,” the orders say.

    The state agency alleges Nass claimed that “there may be things in these vaccines that the government wants to inject in us,” and suggested that vaccinations of children are being encouraged “for some other nefarious reason.”

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    Scamp says:

    Seversky:
    I assume this is the same Dr Meryl Nass?

    Stop distracting from the narrative with these toxic, polarizing, distractive facts.

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    Querius says:

    State documents also allege that Nass lied and said a patient had Lyme disease when they did not in order to get that patient a prescription of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for COVID.

    An obvious hit job for political reasons. Here’s why.

    By personal experience and research, I can assure you Lyme disease is notoriously hard to diagnose with absolute certainty because it mimics other diseases with similar symptoms. So, if a person tests negative, it still doesn’t rule out that they don’t have it, which was exactly my experience.

    At my insistence, I received treatment for Lyme disease by an extremely reluctant physician, and the treatment worked. HCQ works against a variety of pathogens including all viruses except, according to the CDC, Covid-19.

    These “state board” liars and their ilk are evil beyond description.

    -Q

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, do you not see the ad hom in the above, intended to distract from facts that are actually well substantiated by attacking the person? I have had occasion several times, to note that if the likes of a Malone or a McCullough are being marginalised and attacked, then EVERYONE who dares to dissent from the officialdom narrative will be similarly attacked. Likewise, at the time, I saw that Didier Raoult was being trashed for no good reason. Then, as Ivermectin emerged as in some ways even more effective, boom there was a second credibility kill, the lies about toxic, ineffective horse worm medicine are telling when compared to an easily confirmed public record on the actual track record and we may now contrast its utility in the modified Zelenko protocol used in Uttar Pradesh, vs the ongoing results in Israel [on jab no 4 now] and elsewhere. Notice, too, the UK evidence just above on infection, hospitalisation and deaths showing that the vaccines are not preventing progression of the disease, with serious issues of immunity escape, hot strains and antibody enhancement waiting in the wings. Then, there are safety and circulatory system impact issues. Then, in that context note the reaction to remonstrance and onward marginalisation tied to elements of a surveillance and control state including lawfare by financial attack etc. The dragon’s teeth root of bitterness being sown will predictably come back to haunt us all. Beyond a certain point, fatal disaffection will set in and God help us if we go there. KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    Q, thanks. KF

    PS, one of the implications of agents such as HCQ and IVM as working across kingdoms of life (the highest category) is that they have multiple pathways of action that affect core metabolic processes in the cell, here, frustrating viral hijacking and replication in hijacked cells to spread within the body. This is one reason why drug repurposing is a useful tool, as these are already tested and responsibly safe drugs, being tried precisely because there is evidence of broad based effectiveness or there may be more specific evidence. For HCQ, there is adequate evidence for those willing to be led by evidence. For IVM, it is at the level of demonstrated effectiveness at population level, only to be met with silencing tactics including apparently powerful political intervention. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Seversky & Sc, I challenge you to pause and watch the video I headlined here, which is just over two minutes: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-media-bias-takedown-by-the-frontline-doctors/ Then, answer to the challenge that the sort of destructive narratives being promoted are false, accusatory, ad hom based and irresponsible in the face of facts. That video has been up for a few days and your absence in that combox is striking. KF

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    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus,

    The level of emotional and irrational commitment on the part of Seversky and Scamp is astonishing.

    The facts are on the side of the doctors and researchers being harassed and intimidated, while the propaganda and political coercion is on the part of the bureaucratic administration of various agencies, big pharma, and big media.

    As you pointed out . . .

    You censure and oust from the Detroit Democrats a state legislator because she credited HCQ for saving her life when she had Covid-19, and she publicly thanked President Trump for bringing the drug to her attention.

    That means her colleagues would have much preferred that she died of Covid-19 for the sake of their political hysteria than be saved by HCQ as suggested by Donald Trump.

    That alone speaks volumes.

    1. Her colleagues must be political fanatics to the point of lunacy!

    2. The amount of raw power unleashed for political domination and pharma profits are truly astounding! They flattened medical journals, highly esteemed doctors, famed researchers, and prior scientific discoveries–all for “the struggle” as they term it. Not to mention parents of children.

    Such is their unmitigated lust for the permanent power and enslavement of everyone to their insane dreams, which have failed Every Single Time it was tried.

    It’s sad to know that many people will be deluded into thinking that their chains are actually Valuable Jewelry. And this pathology is also what we’re seeing here.

    -Q

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    kairosfocus says:

    Q, while the co-legislators and co-party members probably did not explicitly wish the lady’s death, they are so locked in to the notion that HCQ could not possibly work that they obviously dismissed the actual person successfully treated sitting among them and treated her as a stubborn misinformer. This is of course the social psychology of cognitive dissonance resolved by projecting blame to the other and the associated unresponsiveness does show negligent disregard to life saving evidence. This speaks to the degree of polarisation and breakdown of understanding of evidence and warrant. For, simply and directly, when an effect is strong, it is readily apparent and while correlation is not causation, causation — especially where the causal factor is highly effective — does trigger high correlation. The matter is resolved through identifying plausible causal mechanisms and careful evaluation of cumulative evidence. Note, McCullough points out the fallacy of perfectionism in the gold standard fallacy embraced in 2020, the large scale random double blind placebo trials take 2 – 4 years, require considerable resources, mobilisation and financing and are typically funded and regulated by the same official and institutional power circles that are here locked up in a narrative. The time alone means ethically inappropriate to a fast moving pandemic, while giving people known ineffective placebos in the face of a fast moving life threatening disease is equally questionable. Instead, the already tested and known responsibly safe drugs that are candidates can be rapidly tried and once effective can be at least provisionally approved off label, as are reportedly some 20% of US prescriptions. HCQ, IVM and a growing list of other agents meet such criteria. The officials, researchers, administrators, pundits etc involved know or should know this, they have no good plea in mitigation. The underlying failure is a failure of core first duties of reason and of responsible action, which involves prudence, reasonable warrant and timeliness in the face of danger. Of course, now, with Uttar Pradesh vs Israel and the UK, we have population scale results that identify IVM cocktails as effective in blunting the epidemic and saving lives. Continued closed mindedness is even more blameworthy. KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    PS, do you remember the story of objectors to Galileo refusing to look through his telescope?

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    jerry says:

    Denyse,

    An extremely powerful article by a Canadian that is a month old not just relevant to Canadians but to the whole world.

    A Brave New World Without Rights: Ending Mandates Does Not Strip Government of the Ability to Do This Again

    The Truckers for Freedom convoy in Ottawa has triggered a shockwave that is reaching all around the world. Even as our authoritarian federal regime continues to double down on measures and threatens to use brute force tactics against peaceful protesters, many provinces are nervously beginning to lay out a timeline for ending mandates.

    But there is something important missing from the conversation surrounding the end of mandates. If the mandates are simply dropped today without calling out the underlying legal and ethical fallacy that was used to justify them, government overreach will have become normalized. We will be left without the legal protections to stop them from doing this to us again. All it will take to put us back in a cage is for the government to point at the next wave, the next virus variant, or the next non-Covid emergency. We will have normalized that our rights, our freedoms, our bodily autonomy, and even access to our lives are conditional privileges, subject to opinion polls and technocratic impulses, and that they can be withdrawn again at any time, “for our safety.”

    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/02/a-brave-new-world-without-rights.html#more

    There was something much bigger than the end of mandates that was being protested. Somehow that got buried.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Jerry, yes. Once we move away from acknowledging that core rights are built in, innate, coming from our naturally evident creation order, we open the notion that rights are political. That is, entitlements written by Government lawyers, whether rubber stamped by parliament or decreed by judges legislating from the bench. Or worse, faceless bureaurats — yes, deliberate — eating up rights and legislative authority one regulation, one tribunal, one precedent at a time. And the cite you give is about precedent, why it MUST be sharply repudiated by decisive action. That is also why the charter of liberty, the US DoI, 1776 is so crucial as a piece of natural law reasoning that shows warrant for our innate core rights and freedoms thus by implication duties. That makes it of UNIVERSAL jurisdiction, an invitation to claim what is ours as an equal grant of our Creator written into the fabric of our being. In that context the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are derivative, not supreme. Similarly, the Canadian Charter or for that matter, Montserrat’s Bill of Rights etc. The attempt to redefine law as what someone who controls the legal presses issues is an invitation to tyranny and nihilism. We must restore a sounder foundation, starting with yes the first duties of reason. KF

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    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Seversky & Sc, I challenge you to pause and watch the video I headlined here, which is just over two minutes:

    No thank you. I am not interested in a discussion on media bias or COVID “treatments” or COVID restrictions. On this thread I am only interested in the tactics used by the trucker convoy and whether or not they were acceptable. I get my medical advice from public health professions, not from people who never found a conspiracy theory they didn’t love.

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    News says:

    It sounds as though Scamp throughout has never met a police horse trampling an old woman that he doesn’t love.

    If a conspiracy theorist had predicted years ago that that would happen in Ottawa, he would have been, understandably, laughed at. If he had said there were people who were oblivious to the significance of it, his sense of reality would be doubted. Yet here we are, ladies and gentlemen.

    My own concern is that too many people will say, “Oh well, that’s just Canada.” Chances are, they haven’t noticed the authoritarian creep in their own environment.

    Mark Steyn likes to say, Run for the school board and you’ll soon find out. If you can’t run, support a non-authoritarian who does. But be brave. Do something. More later.

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    jerry says:

    I get my medical advice from public health professions

    That’s become a formula for killing people.

    In the US knowledgeable public health professionals were ignored and instead the nonsense put out by government bureaucrats who never or rarely treated patients was what was accepted.

    Everyone should read Scott Atlas’s book, “A Plague Upon Our House.”

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    asauber says:

    Scamp: “I get my medical advice from public health professions”

    Scamp regurgitates the language of the dead.

    Me: “I get my medical advice from my doctor.”

    I interact with a real live person.

    Andrew

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    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @200,

    Cognitive dissonance it is . . . together with a good dose of ideological poisoning.

    These make it impossible for some people to deal with an unacceptable truth until they have a life crisis and they experience a Pavlovian reversal of beliefs. At least the state legislator whose life was saved by HCQ, Michigan Rep. Karen Whitsett, didn’t brush it off as coincidence.

    But, as you pointed out, she was censured by the Democrat party for thanking Donald Trump, citing protocol.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/detroit-dems-to-censure-state-lawmaker-who-thanked-trump-for-touting-chloroquine/

    Apparently human decency is not appropriate when political hatred and hysteria is required.

    As one can now clearly see, medical ethics, science, justice, business, sports, friendships, courtesy, logic, and all other areas of human life have been subtended to political ideology. All that’s left is “the struggle” for absolute power.

    -Q

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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, you obviously have not had enough interest to pay attention to just the fact that we have been citing and pointing to precisely serious health care professionals, including the people in and behind the video in question. The point is, experts disagree here, and we need to look at evidence seriously to arrive at soundness or at least that secondary soundness we call prudence. What you have instead been doing is to attend to the narrative by officialdom dressed up in medical and lab coats, without pausing to calibrate against facts, logic and associated assumptions. Robert Malone, for example is a key originator of mRNA technology, indeed a patent holder and has spent his career on addressing infectious diseases etc. McCullough is an eminent academic medical practitioner and one of the people who led in the global response. And we can keep going, indeed I would argue that the smeared Raoult is comparably eminent to Fauci. And so forth. However, we can go to facts on the ground, and a key one is to compare what happened in Uttar Pradesh India with Zelenko-McCollough derived protocols and low vax rates [ 240+ mn in a poor state of India] and what happened in Israel now on jab no 4 in a year and the pattern of vaxxed people catching, being hospitalised and even dying in the UK, just for starters, as that is now not sampling but population/census level results. The facts are clear, and they indict officialdom, especially after we see the 50 steps pattern summarised above. In short, you have again discredited yourself as showing the fallacy of the closed mind joined to appeal to preferred expertise and narrative — i.e. an ideological agenda. So, the false dilemma between an endless train of jabs in a semi-permanent emergency [Montserrat is on the 27th year of ongoing volcano emergency/crisis and is about to round out 2 on the added pandemic emergency] vs so called antisocial irresponsible antivaxxers is broken. BTW, on adverse reactions to vaccines, Malone is a case in point. KF

    PS, Do you remember laughing at the point as to how Galileo’s colleagues refused to look through his telescope? The shoe is on the other foot now.

  210. 210
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, you obviously have not had enough interest to pay attention to just the fact that we have been citing and pointing to precisely serious health care professionals,

    What about me not being interested in a discussion about medical treatments and COVID restrictions don’t you understand? All I am interested in for this thread is the actions taken by the protesters and the actions taken by the police. Media bias, COVID treatment and COVID restrictions are totally irrelevant as to whether or not the protester and police actions were justified. The ends do not justify the means.

  211. 211
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @209,

    It seems that the basis for Scamp’s immunity from any information that challenges his beliefs is less ideological than a trust in authority and institutions. He would like to believe the well-manicured lawn of established institutional authorities rather than have to sort through the weeds and wild things on the edges.

    To be fair, I would seriously and naturally prefer to be able to do the same, but I’ve found my trust betrayed too many times. So now I’ve had to sort between marginalized experts on the one hand and the lunatics and charlatans on the other.

    As a result, we’re trying to tell Scamp that the city sprayed his lawn with a highly toxic carcinogen, but he won’t read the study and he won’t believe us. I’m afraid that even if he gets sick, he’ll simply blame it on “bad luck.”

    -Q

  212. 212
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    It seems that the basis for Scamp’s immunity from any information that challenges his beliefs is less ideological than a trust in authority and institutions.

    You are confused. Preferring not to get into a discussion about media bias, suppressed COVID treatments or any number of other theories does not mean that I have not read up on them. But as o have mentioned several times, acceptable protester and police behaviour have nothing to do with the cause or the validity of the cause.

  213. 213
    Querius says:

    Scamp,

    The end doesn’t always justify the means, so of course you’d refuse being injected by an experimental substance with inadequate testing that’s now shown to also cause injury and death in healthy young individuals, and which apparently permanently alters the DNA in your liver cells.

    Here’s what the CDC claims

    MYTH: COVID-19 vaccines can alter my DNA.
    FACT: COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

    And here’s what researchers actually found:

    “The messenger RNA (mRNA) from Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is able to enter human liver cells and is converted into DNA, according to Swedish researchers at Lund University. The researchers found that when the mRNA vaccine enters the human liver cells, it triggers the cell’s DNA, which is inside the nucleus, to increase the production of the LINE-1 gene expression to make mRNA. The mRNA then leaves the nucleus and enters the cell’s cytoplasm where it translates into LINE-1 protein. A segment of the protein called the open reading frame-1, or ORF-1, then goes back into the nucleus where it attaches to the vaccine’s mRNA and reverse transcribes into spike DNA.

    Here’s the published study in Molecular Biology:
    https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm#B39-cimb-44-00073

    And here’s a case of autoimmune hepatitis developing a week after a 35 year-old woman received the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. She has a three month old baby and she now has a chronic, progressive liver disease.

    Oh and here’s another example of the end justifying the means that you’d object to as well:
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1498732589292605446

    -Q

  214. 214
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, actually, the evidence is that by your own admission you will not do due diligence towards truth and prudence on a matter of life and death which is the root of the truckers’ protest you seem to have been ever so irritated over. And yet, you imagine that you have something significant to object to as, remonstrance having failed to get a hearing, they resorted to civil disobedience. So, I am going to fair-comment-translate your I have no interest as: you have no cogent reply to the substantial issue but wish to hold forth on the real or imagined sins of those who stood up to protest a policy that on evidence is ill founded, dangerous, exposed people to compulsion to undertake experimental treatments without informed consent or protection from danger. This last, BTW is implying gross breach of Nuremberg Code principles. All on pain of loss of livelihood, loss of financial assets, exposure to doxxing, slanderous assertions by officials and in some cases being clubbed or kicked etc by riot police or trampled by police horses. KF

  215. 215
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, actually, the evidence is that by your own admission you will not do due diligence towards truth and prudence on a matter of life and death which is the root of the truckers’ protest you seem to have been ever so irritated over.

    You are so full of yourself. And full of something more odiferous. I decide what I want to discuss. Stop. Period. End of sentence. Preaching, pontifications, lectures and insults won’t change that. Just accept it or don’t. I don’t really care.

    If you really want to have a discussion with me, which you appear to long for, explain to me under what circumstances you would think that a hundred or more trucks parking in front of your house, blasting their horns 24/7 for three weeks would be acceptable behaviour. I await your response.

  216. 216
    jerry says:

    People should watch the following video with one of the main organizers of truth convoy. It a couple weeks old and his name is B. K. Dichter. The interviewer is Jordan Peterson’s daughter, Mikhaila.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtgc2fsw2A

    They want two things. An elimination of the government vaccine mandate and the mandated passport app that the government uses to track everyone.

    It’s not about vaccines but mandates.

  217. 217
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, again, life and death, freedoms and core rights are on the line, driven by facts you have first tried to dismiss then on cogent reply — eg it is not charlatans but significant medical doctors and population level results on the ground, etc — you switched to you are not interested to discuss. Until those first considerations are faced, we cannot justly dispose of other issues, whether irritation or annoyance or whatever. I do not have to endorse particular civil disobedience or protest behaviours to highlight that we face a major crisis of governance. KF

  218. 218
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, again, life and death, freedoms and core rights are on the line, driven by facts you have first tried to dismiss then on cogent reply…blah blah blah

    Again, explain to me under what circumstances you would think that a hundred or more trucks parking in front of your house, blasting their horns 24/7 for three weeks would be acceptable behaviour. I await your response. And see if you can actually address the question rather than dissembling. I’m not hopeful.

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  220. 220
    Scamp says:

    Querius:
    Ontario finally caves, thanks to the heroic Canadian truckers!

    Hardly. It is an election year and the premier was clear from the beginning that he was not in favour of the vaccine passport.

    And, he has imposed very restrictive practices, and he is still favoured to win.

  221. 221
    Silver Asiatic says:

    The truckers win – at the cost of a lot of sacrifice and unjustly inflicted pain.
    It’s a victory for the Canadian people – and the whole world really.
    The truckers showed what we have to do. Keep it peaceful. Be persistent. Don’t listen to the lies. Be willing to go all the way.

  222. 222
    Scamp says:

    SA:
    The truckers win

    How do you see this? They still can’t cross the border. Which was the main purpose of the protest. But, as vaccination rates increase, and hospitalizations drop, restrictions will be dropped. Maybe they can then declare victory. Just like they can declare victory over snow as the spring comes.

  223. 223
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    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, your willful inattention means you have not seen the population level comparison of Uttar Pradesh vs Israel and the UK to show what has actually worked [treatments based on a Zelenko-McCollough based cocktail featuring IVM, with LOW VAX RATES], vs Israel on Jab 4 and UK with most infections, hospitalisations and deaths coming from the Vaxxed. Not to mention issues of adverse reactions, circulatory system damage short and long term, etc as well as the emergence of surveillance-control and marginalisation of dissent. Even, censorship. You are out of tough with clear and pivotal facts. KF

  225. 225
    jerry says:

    I believe it’s a waste of time arguing with some people but some prefer to spend literally millions of words getting nowhere when it’s obvious this will accomplish nothing.

    Anti ID people always reveal who they are but no amount of words will change anything. To see what may be the most ironic comment ever published on UD go to.

    https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/breaking-president-trump-mrs-trump-ms-hicks-are-positive-for-cv-19/#comment-747951

  226. 226
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, your willful inattention means you have not seen the population level comparison of Uttar Pradesh vs Israel …

    Your refusal to answer a simple question is duly noted. I will put you down in the “ends justify the means” camp.

  227. 227
    kairosfocus says:

    CD, with all due respect, the studies are real and cumulatively make a weighty point. But we are beyond studies now. We have population level results which by contrast of Uttar Pradesh India [240+ mn] with Israel [~ 10 mn] and UK [60+mn?] show that in a low vax rate population with urban poverty and crowding, IVM based protocols have broken the pandemic. Israel is on jab 4, UK shows majority of cases, hospitalisation and deaths are vaxxed people. In addition the incidence of adverse events and the issue of circulatory system damage loom. KF

    PS, you seem to be unaware that IVM has been known to have antiviral potential for about a decade. Your version on the horse worm medicine irresponsible talking point fails.

  228. 228
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, turnabout fails, you had an answer in outline. The focal matter is clear and just now your gap was material. KF

  229. 229
    Scamp says:

    KF:
    Sc, turnabout fails, you had an answer in outline.

    You call that an answer? Again, explain to me under what circumstances you would think that a hundred or more trucks parking in front of your house, blasting their horns 24/7 for three weeks would be acceptable behaviour. Refusing to leave until their demands are met. Because this is exactly what the truckers did.

    In what universe is intentionally inflicting suffering on innocent people because you don’t get your way an acceptable behaviour? That is just schoolyard bullying crap.

  230. 230
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Jerry

    I believe it’s a waste of time arguing with some people but some prefer to spend literally millions of words getting nowhere when it’s obvious this will accomplish nothing.

    Good words of caution to take to heart.
    A national emergency was called for parking violations and the anti-Semitic violence of “honk honk”.
    There’s really nowhere to go with a discussion after that.

  231. 231
    Querius says:

    Scamp @

    In what universe is intentionally inflicting suffering on innocent people because you don’t get your way an acceptable behaviour? That is just schoolyard bullying crap.

    Exactly! Trudeau intentionally inflicted suffering on truckers by imposing NEW mandates on them, threatened them with loss of employment, instructed the police to respond to peaceful protest and civil disobedience with unnecessary violence, had bank accounts frozen without due process, and utterly REFUSED to engage the protesting truckers with any meaningful dialog.

    The protest could have ended in ONE DAY with a meeting. Instead, Mr. Trudeau ran away as all bullies do when someone stands up to them and let the confrontation continue needlessly for weeks.

    As you pointed out this also inconvenienced the residence of Ottawa.

    But I agree with Kairosfocus, Jerry, Silver Asiatic, and others that you’ve not provided any substantive response to the issues and instead responded only with rhetoric devoid of any factual support.

    So far, all the facts have been against your position. To your analogy, Trudeau seems to want to delay the Spring by whacking down the robins.

    -Q

  232. 232
    Scamp says:

    Querius, you are saying that it is OK to inflict suffering on innocent people if you don’t get what you want from the government. Again, in what universe is this acceptable?

    But I agree with Kairosfocus, Jerry, Silver Asiatic, and others that you’ve not provided any substantive response to the issues and instead responded only with rhetoric devoid of any factual support.

    The issues are irrelevant. How do they justify occupying several blocks where people live, harassing them and blasting their horns at all hours, for three weeks. Do you act like this when the government does something you disagree with? These are the actions of selfish narcissists, not freedom fighters.

    You, KF, Jerry and SA have argued so called lack of scientific evidence for vaccines and masking, their lack of scientific support for mandates and restrictions, conspiracies to suppress alternative treatments and other theories. All of which may be true. And the four of you keep criticizing me for not addressing these things. Yet nobody has been able to explain how any of this, even if true, justifies what they did to the businesses and civilians that live in the area.

  233. 233
    Querius says:

    Scamp @232,

    Querius, you are saying that it is OK to inflict suffering on innocent people if you don’t get what you want from the government. Again, in what universe is this acceptable?

    If you read my previous comment, you would know that I said the opposite.

    1. The truckers had and still have a grievance.

    2. The truckers came to Ottawa to stage a peaceful protest, a guaranteed Charter right.

    3. Trudeau ran away and hid, refusing to meet with them as they repeatedly asked. At this point, the protest would have been over in a day, but Trudeau was not interested in a solution. He called the truckers a fringe group of Nazis.

    4. The truckers persisted in their peaceful protest, which developed into civil disobedience due to the continued and intentional stonewalling by Trudeau. The truckers honked horns, held parties with live music, cleaned up the streets, fed the homeless, shoveled snow, and cooperated with police to keep their protest non-violent. Many citizens of Ottawa joined in.

    5. Ottawa citizens living near or working in offices at or near the Parliament building were inconvenienced by the fascist Canadian government’s refusal to meet with the truckers.

    6. The fascist Canadian government responded with violence: cutting people off from food, fuel, stealing fuel and supplies, closing restaurants, city streets, sending in massive numbers of storm troopers, trampling people with horses, arresting them for “criminal mischief, freezing their bank accounts, revoking their trucking licenses, towing and sabotaging their trucks, and so on.

    7. The CBC and government apologists complain about the vast amounts of “suffering” (the Ukrainian people would laugh at your use of the term) imposed on the citizens of Ottawa and treat Trudeau as a sort of messianic hero when in fact he’s a demonstrated coward and liar consisting of a hairdo and an ego.

    Do you now understand what I’m saying or do you want to continue misrepresenting what I wrote?

    -Q

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    Scamp says:

    Querius, I accept I, 2 and 3. However:

    4. The truckers persisted in their peaceful protest, which developed into civil disobedience due to the continued and intentional stonewalling by Trudeau.

    It is the civil disobedience they opted for that I have a problem with.

    The truckers honked horns, held parties with live music,

    At all hours of the day, in total disregard to people who lived there. In violation of a court order.

    cleaned up the streets, fed the homeless, shoveled snow,

    After the bad press they received over some protesters littering, defecating and urinating in the streets, and entering a homeless shelter, harassing staff and demanding food. Damage control at its best.

    5. Ottawa citizens living near or working in offices at or near the Parliament building were inconvenienced by the fascist Canadian government’s refusal to meet with the truckers.

    No, they were inconvenienced and harassed by the protesters, not by the government’s refusal to meet with truckers. People have free will. They chose to do this.

    6. The fascist Canadian government responded with violence:

    The governments’ actions and lack of action were wrong. But calling it fascist is an insult to those who lived under fascist regimes.

    cutting people off from food, fuel, stealing fuel and supplies,

    You make it sound like they were being starved. All they had to do was leave the area they had occupied and they would have an unlimited supply of food, fuel and supplies.

    closing restaurants,

    Actually, closing restaurants during the occupation were business decisions, not government ones.

    sending in massive numbers of storm troopers,

    Police trained in dispersing crowds are not storm troopers. Are you going to try to spread the lie that UN troops were used? There wasn’t even a single Canadian military “troop” amongst the police.

    And you make it sound that the protesters were not given any warning or provided a chance to leave. Police handed out notices for days prior to the police actions, letting them know what the potential consequences were should they decide to stay. Again, they were definitely not the victims in this.

    trampling people with horses

    Two people were knocked down by the horses. One suffered a dislocated shoulder, as opposed to the claim that two had died. And this incident is being investigated, as it should. An investigation that would never happen under a fascist regime that just used storm troopers.

    arresting them for “criminal mischief,

    Criminal mischief is “To WILFULLY, destroy or damage property, render property useless, dangerous, inoperative or ineffective, or obstruct, interrupt or interfere with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
    Sounds like what they were doing to me. I guess the charges could have been worse.

    freezing their bank accounts,

    Actually they only froze the ability for the organizers, who had money from crowd funding, to transfer funds to others. There was nothing stopping them from taking out cash and passing it out, which is what they did. This being said, I disagreed with the use of the emergencies act.

    revoking their trucking licenses,

    A suspension, not a revocation. And it only lasted seven days.

    towing and sabotaging their trucks, and so on.

    Yes, they towed the trucks. How else could they remove them? Sabotaging their trucks? I saw a couple videos where truck windows had been left open. That shouldn’t have been done. But there have not been any confirmed incidents where equipment was damaged, other than the incidental damage that often occurs as the result of towing, or any thefts.

    Considering that convictions could have resulted in forfeiture of their trucks, they were lucky to get their trucks back as soon as they did.

    What is ironic is that we are probably only weeks away from the lifting of vaccine requirements for crossing the border. But, unfortunately, this will be of no benefit to any trucker who is convicted as they will no longer be able to enter the US, for any reason.

  235. 235
    News says:

    I have answered this post (Scamp at #215) at the top of the OP above.

  236. 236
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, consider the answer by News as a more comprehensive response to your repeated sidetracking than I have given. I will however, add a comment. Assume, for argument, that some or even all truckers were boorish, hoggish, bullying or otherwise offensive. Then, they would need to apologise for misbehaviour and would have been counterproductive regarding any grievances they have. (This, BTW, is an issue with any demonstration and especially one with a common feature, civil disobedience.) However, does that eliminate or cancel any grievances they have? Especially, touching on life, health, livelihood, psychosocial disruption and damage and unresponsiveness of officialdom? The obvious answer is, no. So, in addressing what counts we need to discount for any ill tempered, ill considered behaviour — in my original homeland, slaves repeatedly rose up and burned cane fields and great houses, some committing massacres — and refuse to lose focus on the core cause behind escalated protest. In such light, what you have repeatedly tried to use as rhetorical trump cards . . . oh they are boorish etc, oh I am not interested . . . fails. Grave issues are on the table, raising questions of a long train of abuses and usurpations. These, in all duty to civilisation, we must focus on. KF

  237. 237
    kairosfocus says:

    PS, consider the livelihood loss penalty being attached to truckers participating in a known protest for cause:

    Considering that convictions could have resulted in forfeiture of their trucks, they were lucky to get their trucks back as soon as they did.

    What is ironic is that we are probably only weeks away from the lifting of vaccine requirements for crossing the border.[–> why, dear sir, why? Could it have anything to do with hoi polloi becoming restive? Perish the thought . . . ] But, unfortunately, this will be of no benefit to any trucker who is convicted as they will no longer be able to enter the US, for any reason.

    Think about the message being sent regarding citizenship and acting in protest over abuses.

    And then there is the point that police horses should never have been used in that way, contrast the whipped up frenzy due to media misrepresentation of events in the US some months back.

  238. 238
    jerry says:

    I have answered

    After awhile inane posts should be ignored.

    The anti ID commenters always paint themselves into a very narrow corner. The latest inane post is no different. Just another comment with no substance. So why answer it?

    Will the commenter jump to another corner? Or disappear? Or get obnoxious and want banishment. Always ends in same way.

    Never in polite logical engagement with consideration.

    Aside: I read your response at top. You are a gifted writer. Read an article yesterday that British Columbia was worse place in Canada for restrictions.

    Can understand wanting to live in Victoria. It’s a pretty area. Have memories of having dinner on hill over harbor watching a sea plane land.

  239. 239
    News says:

    Jerry at 238, Victoria is a wonderful place to live, especially for a Canadian. NO horrible winters and all wholly legal 24/7/365*.

    Thanks for kind words. It is mainly government that is currently wrecking British Columbia.

    But that is true in many places around the globe and it relates closely to our UD areas of concern. Government claims to have “Science!” on its side while doubling down on fact-unfriendly fanaticism.

    That is a late development of the Darwinian metastasis. That’s why we covered this at Uncommon Descent.

    The biggest concern, going forward, should be: Serious enquiries about what really happened, in the teeth of multiple obstructions by government and corporate bureaucrats and corrupt actors in the legal systems.

    If we don’t insist on that, this’ll happen again in already weakened societies.

    *The hundreds of thousands of Canadians who spend half the year in Florida, California, or Arizona in the United States MUST come back every year by a certain date. That is why we call them the “snowbirds.” They return and return yet again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b1SKcZoOsk

  240. 240
    Scamp says:

    Jerry:
    After awhile inane posts should be ignored.

    As I ignore some commenters here.

    News’ response boils down to ‘people chose to live downtown so they are not entitled to live free from harassment and 24/7 noise.’

    I might add that there is plenty of space on parliament hill for protests. Which is where most protests take place. Protests here are very visible and don’t have significant impact on those living in the area or those conducting business in the area.

    I keep hearing civil disobedience used as an argument. But civil disobedience typically targets those responsible for drafting or enforcing rules or laws the protesters perceive to be unjust by intentionally breaking the rules they see to be unjust. Rosa Parks. The Woolworths Diner sit-in. MLK boycotts. And the people involved are knowingly charged and arrested. The protest succeeds through the court of public opinion or in actual courts. By these actions the truckers are definitely not winning anything in the court of public opinion. We will have to see if they win anything in actual court. But intentionally violating court orders are usually not taken lightly.

    A Canadian example of civil disobedience was Henry Morgentaler. He openly performed abortions when they were illegal. He was arrested twice and the juries, in spite of him obviously breaking the law, refused to find him guilty. Which is why abortion on demand is now legal in Canada.

    Targeting innocent people and businesses living downtown is not civil disobedience, it is criminal mischief. I honestly don’t see why people here are willfully ignorant to this fact.

    But people here obviously believe that the ends always justify the means as long as they believe in the cause. Trucker protests good, BLM protests bad. There is only so much I can say about the cognitive dissonance necessary to arrive at these conclusions. I have said enough so there is little purpose in me continuing on this thread. People here will continue to believe that it is IK to make innocent people suffer as long as it supports their cause.

  241. 241
    asauber says:

    Speaking of innocent people suffering…

    “He openly performed abortions ”

    Translated: He openly destroyed innocent human babies.

    Great example, Scamp. Why am I not surprised you are pro-death, too?

    Andrew

  242. 242
    kairosfocus says:

    Sc, you have been adequately answered but insist on distractions and polarisation. Meanwhile, you have insistently refused to look at the basis for underlying grievance. I doubt that you truly understand but that is the fundamental attitude/moral hazard of oligarchies, the let them eat cake mentality. (And yes, I know she didn’t actually say that.) The problem is, you have a usurpation of power under dubious colour of science, leading to impositions that cumulatively have arguably undermined what on the example of Uttar Pradesh would likely have stopped the pandemic: treatments based on repurposed [so known safe] drugs, off label use. So, we have credibly had undue hazard to life due to culpable negligence, compounded by promotion of experimental vaccines that have been both unusually hazardous and relatively ineffective compared to many established vaccines. These have been backed by state imposition, censorship, threats, attacks on livelihood. Mere speech or writing — including by highly qualified persons — have been censored and willfully labelled misinformation, with threats against medical licences etc. Remonstrance and mild protest have been ignored and similarly denounced, too often with rather ugly accusations. So, you have ratcheted up protest involving civil disobedience, only to meet official retaliation and police abuse. Here, too, we must note this is only one issue, one that because a lot are directly and painfully affected, led to mass protest. I hope the Canadian electoral system and government has enough integrity that the ballot box and/or parliamentary accountability will be enough; especially as some of the retaliatory actions invoked measures more suited to a world war, and some have undermined trust in the banking and financial system. Not to mention, the police last seen marching horses into crowds of protesters, knocking over and trampling. Otherwise, this is sowing the wind that can reap the whirlwind once fatal disaffection sets in. Playing with fire on assumption that hoi polloi can be pushed and pushed and pushed. Not advisable. KF

    PS, ponder what the train of dominoes from dehumanisation of living posterity in the womb leads to, then ponder the question, what is a right and why is life the first right. Ponder, what benumbs the conscience and how a benumbed conscience darkens the light of the mind. Yes, we are back at the Ciceronian first duties of reason.

  243. 243
    Seversky says:

    Kairosfocus/198

    Seversky & Sc, I challenge you to pause and watch the video I headlined here, which is just over two minutes: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-media-bias-takedown-by-the-frontline-doctors/ Then, answer to the challenge that the sort of destructive narratives being promoted are false, accusatory, ad hom based and irresponsible in the face of facts. That video has been up for a few days and your absence in that combox is striking. KF

    I have watched the video and I invite you to investigate the backgrounds of members of that group such as Dr Stella Immanuel and Dr Simone Gold.

    Doctors, like any other human population, have the same strengths and are prone to the same weaknesses of all humanity. They are not all equally qualified in all relevant medical and scientific fields so it is a mistake to take their unsupported word on matters outside their domains of expertise. They can have their views just as other doctors and scientists can hold different or opposing views. That is why, where possible, the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial is the best way we have of deciding between competing hypotheses.

  244. 244
    Seversky says:

    Kairosfocus/180

    F/N: A list of 50 techniques of marginalisation, starting with HCQ:

    https://merylnassmd.com/how-false-hydroxychloroquine-narrative/

    As an exponent of Simon Greenleaf’s treatise on the principles of legal evidence, have you applied those standards to all or even any of Dr Nass’s claims?

    I picked the following one at random ;

    53. When all else fails, would you really try to blow up much of the world supply of hydroxychloroquine? [alludes to the destruction of a factory in Taiwan] . . .

    This appears to refer to a fire on 20 Dec 2020 at a Sci Pharmtech Inc factory in Taoyuan City, Taiwan which manufactured hydroxychloroquine API. The fire appears to have been an accident but even if it were arson it would not have been the ideal target if you wanted to disrupt the word supply of HCL. According to this paper:

    Manufacturing of HCQ is concentrated in Asia and Europe (Fig. 3 ). While data is difficult to verify, rough estimate would put India at the lead with 36% by production tonnage, followed by Europe at 26% and China at 18%. However, the European figure might include some products originally made in India.

    How much would sabotaging a factory in Taiwan affect the world supply of HCL when most of it is produced elsewhere?

    Is this credible evidence to support a claim of some sort of conspiracy to choke off the world supply of HCL?

    Further food for thought.

    Is this negligence by officialdom or worse?

    Or is this just a “Gish Gallop” through the conspiracy theorizing that surrounds COVID-19 which is grossly irresponsible coming from a licensed MD?

  245. 245
    kairosfocus says:

    Sev, resort to slanderous misuse of a name tells us all we need to know. But, I will point out to you that the matter is far beyond the all too typical smearing doctors with courage to stand up, up to and including McCollough [an early leader in treatment] and Malone [patent holder on key mRNA technologies who has spent a career on infectious diseases etc], but is now a matter beyond even sampling. For, the contrast between Uttar Pradesh and Israel or the UK shows beyond reasonable doubt that even with low vaccination rates, widespread use of treatments based on Zelenko-McCollough protocols using IVM, Doxycycline, Zn, vits D and C has stopped the pandemic. Israel is on jab 4, the UK just turned in reports that the majority of the cases, hospitalisations and deaths are of the vaccinated. Worse, there is reason to believe these experimental vaccines are relatively prone to adverse reactions and that they are nowhere near the effectiveness of more conventional, established vaccines. The truckers and others have grievances given what officialdom has been doing. KF

  246. 246
    Querius says:

    Scamp,
    I don’t even know where to start with all this misinformation coming from you!

    Trudeau stonewalled the truckers—from DAY 1, the truckers offered to meet with him or representatives from the Canadian government with were ignored. What were the truckers supposed to do? Quietly go home and comply with the government overreach so as not to inconvenience anyone? Baloney.

    Don’t you know that vaccine mandates were imposed recently on the truckers. That’s why they didn’t protest earlier in the pandemic.

    The protesters were helpful, courteous, and friendly from the beginning.

    – I saw VIDEO of truckers being turned away from business establishments by the police.

    – I saw VIDEO of the police stealing food and fuel from the truckers (they later returned the fuel by court order, but they had contaminated it).

    – I saw VIDEO of police checkpoints at police perimeters that turned away additional protesters or those who wanted to return.

    – I saw VIDEO of portable toilets brought in by truck fairly early.

    – I saw VIDEO of police banging on the glass door of a restaurant that the owner locked to keep the police out—they were wanting to “speak” with him about allowing the truckers to patronize his facility.

    – I saw VIDEO of truckers shoveling snow and keeping the area litter free (some residents said that they’d never seen it so clean).

    – I saw VIDEO of numerous places where truckers and others cooked and distributed food.

    I’m afraid all of your allegations are from the CBC fairyland of lies.

    How dare the truckers inconvenience the people of Ottawa by continuing to protest after Trudeau refuses to meet with them and flees to hide in an undisclosed location. Sorry, but the “inconvenienced” people of Ottawa might want to ask their supposed representatives to meet with and hear the grievances of the truckers . . . or might that “inconvenience” your representatives, too?

    Do you even know what a fascist regime is? If you did, you’d recognize that it exactly what the Canadian government has changed into.

    A protester on Canadian fascism—please listen to him!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=v-6pveoCADg&feature=youtu.be

    Here’s an example of your misinformation on freezing PRIVATE bank accounts of protesting truckers:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4_5Z2sHO4oU

    And the grievances persist so Canadian truckers continue to protest!

    Ottawa protests on foot – 3/5/2022
    https://youtu.be/CEVKLkhVvls?t=6672

    Victoria, BC – 3/5/2022
    https://youtu.be/G_bjZpYTwNI?t=2164

    -Q

  247. 247
    Querius says:

    Seversky @288,

    How much would sabotaging a factory in Taiwan affect the world supply of HCL when most of it is produced elsewhere?

    Is this credible evidence to support a claim of some sort of conspiracy to choke off the world supply of HCL?

    Did you mean HCQ (hyroxychloroquine) rather than HCL (hydrochloric acid)?

    Do you know what HCQ was used for before Covid-19?

    -Q

  248. 248
    News says:

    More fresh news above, folks.

  249. 249
    Querius says:

    And in Toronto today, March 7, 2022 . . .
    https://rumble.com/vwmxfv-toronto-canada-protest-we-are-not-going-to-take-it-anymore.html

    Scamp . . . I told you so.

    And here’s the new reputation of the Canadian police:

    Police Intimidation @ Ottawa Cafe “Don’t Open The Door!” Kyle Cardinal Feb.20 2022
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMiCtyVKJA

    Canadian journalist: I was assaulted by Ottawa police
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhiIG3bEiY0

    Canadian Police Gathering Intel on Convoy Sympathizers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsuMP4LTM8U

    Scamp needs to look at these and recognize that many thousands of ordinary Canadian citizens are sick of the move into fascism. I’m still waiting for Scamp’s definition of fascism.

    -Q

  250. 250
    News says:

    Querius at 249: “Canadian Police Gathering Intel on Convoy Sympathizers”?

    They could get a whack of that reading Uncommon Descent’s Convoy posts and comments. Officer, pull up a chair by the fire at the donut shop and read to yer heart’s content… the wind is howling pretty fierce outside…

  251. 251
    Querius says:

    Yeah, indeed. I’ve had the dubious pleasure of spending an hour or so in an interrogation room with Canadian customs official. I was there on business and I’d done nothing wrong, so he finally gave up and let me go.

    After what I’ve seen on YouTube, however, I don’t intend on ever going back.

    -Q

  252. 252
    kairosfocus says:

    F/N: Vaccine intimidation by top people at US NIH:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/07/leaked-audio-reveals-former-nih-director-francis-collins-touting-vaccine-mandates-threatening-unemployment/

    Former National Institutes of Health (NIH) chief Francis Collins, who was also recently appointed as President Joe Biden’s new science advisor, expressed support for vaccine mandates, emphasizing that people’s employment should be threatened.

    Leaked audio obtained by The Daily Wire appeared to shatter Collins’ political neutrality, revealing that he not only had a deeply held conviction about the persuasive power of vaccine mandates but also had a particular dislike for former President Donald Trump. The audio originated from an Institute of Politics event on October 26 of last year, which was hosted by Christianity Today theologian Russell Moore at the University of Chicago. Institute of Politics was founded by David Axelrod, an adviser to former President Barack Obama.

    After Moore introduced Collins as a personal friend and member of his book club, the talk segued into a discussion about vaccine mandates, during which the former NIH director said that there was “no question” in his “mind that the mandates are legal” and that people should have their employment threatened.

    “The US government does have the authority to mandate vaccinations if there is an outbreak that is threatening people, because it’s not just about you, it’s about the people you’re going to infect,” Collins claimed.

    Collin said this even though a bevy of evidence showed at the time that the vaccinated could still be infected with the virus and spread it to others.

    “Do [mandates] convince people who otherwise wouldn’t get them?” Collins reportedly asked himself rhetorically before answering, “Oh yeah, especially if it means losing your job.”

    Collins recalled how he used intimidation tactics at the NIH to push the hesitant employees, approximately 2,000 out of 46,000, into getting the vaccine, telling them they were “in serious danger of being fired in the next month if they [didn’t] do something about it.”

    “Reality [was] sinking in,” Collins said, adding that the sudden compliance showed that “their resistance was not maybe quite that deeply seated.”

    This is ugly, and reveals just how important the marginalised treatment option is.

    KF

  253. 253
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus,

    It’s what happens when people get drunk with the power they manage to accumulate or arrogate. They are incapable of imagining that they’re evil and thus believe that laws and freedoms simply get in the way.

    And that’s precisely why we need a constitution, charter, bill of rights, and laws . . . to protect us against such people.

    -Q

  254. 254
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, we may not be interested in constitutional, bill of rights crises but it seems such crises are interested in us. KF

    PS, strictly, such RECOGNISE rights, they cannot grant them. We are back to the import of US DoI 1776 as valid natural law reasoning.

  255. 255
    News says:

    New info up top, some of it maybe startling.

  256. 256
    Querius says:

    Kairosfocus @254,

    we may not be interested in constitutional, bill of rights crises but it seems such crises are interested in us.

    Good point. The people behind the quiet canceling of the God-given rights are playing brinksmanship with revolution in the same manner than Putin is playing brinksmanship with nuclear war. Except that Putin may not actually prefer nuclear war while the powers that be would love a violent reaction that they can have the delightful pleasure of crushing people with unmitigated force and cruelty. As stated elsewhere, the Canadian police were the only ones employing brutal force.

    News @255,
    Indeed! And here’s what I just finished watching:
    Dr. John Campbell on the Pfizer Documents – a betrayal of trust!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YOD9drZasM

    Sadly, the CDC, big pharma, the media, the civil service, the police, and most politicians have now betrayed our trust to a point beyond recovery.

    There is nothing left but a reckoning under the principles of the Nuremberg trials.

    Truckers are only a courageous beginning. But just as they chose NOT to employ violence, the rest of society has to decide whether they want to live their lives on their knees as slaves or to engage in a “velvet revolution” by disobeying the immoral coercion of the wealthy and powerful to co-opt our integrity.

    We need to refuse to sell our souls to them for a toaster oven or to maintain a bunch of meaningless electronic substitutions for “friends” a half-inch deep.

    Something to think about.

    -Q

  257. 257
    kairosfocus says:

    Q, you are suggesting that they are playing with fatal disaffection. That’, well, ahh, FATAL. They are not omnipotent and there are more than enough people who will first try voice and remonstrance then protest. Voting, but that might meet election fraud. Eventually, power brokers who play with fire will get burned. In a parliamentary system once party bigwigs realise thyey are looking at electoral collapse they will use parliamentary removal. A PM is the member with majority support of members, which is subject to change. KF

  258. 258
    jerry says:

    Denyse,

    Yes, scary. Thank you.

    I have been pointing out it has been happening all over Western world as one man controls most of US pension funds and has forced the press and corporations to become woke. His name is Lawrence Fink of BlackRock. He controls $10 trillion in investment money.

    There are some repeats in the recent additions.

  259. 259
    Scamp says:

    The Canadian protesters should take advice Fromm the American protesters. It is possible to have a relevant protest without harassing and disrupting peoples everyday life. They circled the beltway, keeping to the right lane. This was very effective. The beltway is a very busy avenue for traffic around DC. They were very visible. This is how you convert people to your cause. The Ottawa protesters did not convert anyone to their cause but they certainly turned people against them.

  260. 260
    News says:

    We all owe the Canadian truckers an immense debt for revealing how far down the authoritarian path supposedly mild-mannered governments today are prepared to go while we are still in a position to make choices.

  261. 261
    Scamp says:

    We all owe truckers who continued to work throughout the pandemic an even bigger debt.

  262. 262
    Querius says:

    News @261,

    Indeed! I was so impressed with what I saw from the truckers on various livestream videos!

    The fascist Canadian government, the deceitful CBC, and the brutal Canadian police have managed only to cover themselves with shame.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DhiIG3bEiY0

    -Q

  263. 263
    Silver Asiatic says:

    News @ 260 – agreed.

    The truckers exposed the hypocrisy and lies of the woke left – like maybe nobody else has done yet.

    I was looking around to see what Neil Young and Joni Mitchell had to say about their own truckers.
    I remember a very dark era, long ago, when hipsters like them were exalted as the voices of freedom.
    Are they now supporting the Prime Minister (I’m guessing they do) who forces his will on protestors and shuts down their bank accounts in tyrannical fashion?

  264. 264
    Querius says:

    It just shows that the rhetoric is completely subservient to the immediate needs of the ideology and politics of the moment.

    It will be discarded as quickly as a used Kleenex as soon as it no longer serves the current narrative.

    -Q

  265. 265
    jerry says:

    A long summary of the Canadian Trucker’s protest. Why and What they did.

    For Whom the Horns Honk

    Will freedom survive the death of Canada’s Freedom Convoy?

    https://americanmind.org/salvo/for-whom-the-horns-honk/

  266. 266
    JHolo says:

    So, apparently one of the major convoy organizers is incapable of telling the truth.

    Ottawa convoy protest leader charged with perjury, obstruction of justice
    https://apple.news/AOl21Gb5GTyq6mTGwF5E3Bg

  267. 267
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Has Scamp returned?

  268. 268
    jerry says:

    Has Scamp returned

    No.

    This is just a new troll on the lines of ChuckDarwin. Interjecting irrelevant things because he thinks they will irritate.

    Responding as if reasoning will work is the goal.

  269. 269
    Querius says:

    Bravo, Jerry!

    -Q

  270. 270
    JHolo says:

    Jerry: No.

    This is just a new troll on the lines of ChuckDarwin. Interjecting irrelevant things because he thinks they will irritate.

    Don’t know who scamp is (although I had a cat as a kid named Scamp). But I thought some current news about one of the leaders of the trucker convoy, on a thread about the trucker convoy, might be of interest. Obviously I was wrong.

  271. 271
    Silver Asiatic says:

    Design detection … in real life.

    Don’t know who scamp is (although I had a cat as a kid named Scamp).

    1. Scamp got kicked out, no new members here until JHolo a couple weeks later. No new members since JH.
    2. JH says doesn’t know who Scamp is, although Scamp posted here 5 posts previous (JH didn’t read back that far to see who Scamp is?)
    3. This thread has been defunct for a month. JH finds it somehow, and tries to revive conversation.
    4. The Canadian convoy has been out of the national news for weeks also – and Scamp was obsessed with the topic, almost never posting on ID, but filling this thread.
    5. Just so happens, JH takes exactly the same attitude to the Canadian truckers that Scamp did.
    6. JH says he “had a cat named Scamp”. There are 4 million pet names, but just so happens he named his cat Scamp.

    There’s my forensics work. Just coincidences, or maybe something more?

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