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Like many readers, I watched the Pope’s speech earlier today. It was in many ways a beautiful speech, which brought members of Congress to their feet (many with tears in their eyes) in a standing ovation. While the issues it addressed were all vital ones, I was a little disappointed at the issues it didn’t address, or barely mentioned. Perhaps there was a good reason for that. But then I decided that instead of whingeing, I would do something constructive: write an alternative speech that the Pope could have delivered, covering all the issues that I felt he needed to draw people’s attention to. I don’t write speeches for a living, so I apologize to readers if my poor effort doesn’t read as well as His Holiness’s address. Anyway, here goes.

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Dear friends,

It is with deepest humility that I stand before you all today, and I thank you for the privilege of being able to address this Congress. Before I begin, I’d like to bow my head in silent prayer for a minute, as we remember the tens of millions of unborn children who are killed every year, around the world. I’d also like to pray for their mothers, and for their fathers too. I hope you will all join me in prayer. Thank you.

The theme of my address today is justice. America is rightly proud of its legal system, which values justice above all else. The motto of your Tennessee Supreme Court is, “Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.” To that I say, “Amen.” But sadly, we live in a world where billions of people are denied the most basic forms of justice. These people are killed, tortured, imprisoned, forced to flee their countries, denied the right to earn a decent living, and denied the right to speak and worship freely. The catalogue of injustice committed by man against man is immense: where to begin? I have chosen to begin my speech with the most vulnerable people of all: children. And the greatest injustice to which a child can be subjected is to be robbed of a life.

The tragedy of abortion

Abortion is a global tragedy, and there is no country in the world which is altogether free of this hideous injustice. And it is an injustice – not only against children, but also against mothers, who often feel that they have no choice but to terminate the lives of their unborn children, and against fathers who want to care for their children but who are unable to find work. It is the duty of the State to remedy this injustice by creating a supportive environment where child-rearing is affordable for mothers, no matter what their background, and where fathers and working mothers can easily obtain a job that allows them to support their children. Even in affluent countries, there are many economic barriers that discourage companies from hiring more people – especially when they are parents of young children. The Church has always stressed the dignity of work, and today, I would ask the members of this House to work together in the task of dismantling these economic barriers to employment, and give couples a real choice: the choice to start a family.

However, the foremost duty of any State is to prevent the destruction of innocent human life. That includes children who are in the womb. What, then, shall we say of a State that continues to fund organizations which, instead of assisting pregnant women who are suffering from poverty, abort their children instead, and make a tidy profit from doing so? Something very wrong is happening here. Tragically, over one-fifth of all pregnancies in this country are terminated by abortion, resulting in the deaths of over one million children a year. I ask you all to remedy this injustice. God willing, this Congress can do it, this President can do it, and the members of the Supreme Court can do it.

The injustice of children dying from extreme poverty

I’d now like to speak of the millions of children around the world who die of famine and disease every year. These problems are soluble – indeed, the United Nations Millennium Project is currently making great progress towards achieving the Millennium Development Goals for 2015. Yet there is much that remains to be done. Six million children die before their fifth birthday every year, and only half of all women in developing countries receive adequate maternal care. Those numbers should appall us. We should remember the words of our Savior: “Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink.’” This will be our fate, if we fail to help the world’s suffering children.

Leading scientists tell us that we will have to spend over a trillion dollars a year, over the next few decades, in order to combat global warming, and the President of the United States has made a very public commitment to fight this problem. I have previously spoken of the need to protect our Earth. Since it is our common home, justice obliges us to leave it in a condition which is fit for our children and grand-children to grow up in. In order to do that, it may prove necessary for governments around the world to spend large sums on making our environment safe. But if we compare the threat to human life caused by ecological breakdown with the twin specters of famine and disease, it should be clear which problem is the more pressing. Millions of children are dying every year, right now. The world currently spends about $50 billion per year on the Millennium Development Goals program. That’s just one-twentieth of what we’re proposing to spend on global warming. If we can afford to do that, then we can certainly afford to eliminate extreme poverty. Let’s do it.

But it is not only governments, but individuals, that need to give generously – and wisely. There are some tasks for which bureaucracy is ill-equipped. Smaller organizations are often better at targeting those in need, and individuals would do well to choose carefully, when deciding which charitable organizations they will give to. Above all, however, we should remember the dignity of the poor, when we give. I believe we can most effectively help parents in developing countries by offering them practical assistance that enables them to earn a decent livelihood, and thereby support their children.

Children and the refugee crisis

In the past few weeks, children have been in the news, as we see thousands of refugees fleeing war-torn countries every day, in search of a peaceful life. It is a great tragedy that many children, traveling with their parents, have died during the long voyage to freedom. Some have criticized these people for fleeing their native lands, referring to them disparagingly as “economic migrants.” No; what they seek is to live in a free and just society. It is not a crime for people to seek freedom, for the desire for freedom is part of our very nature. In recognition of this fact, Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.” I therefore call upon the members of this Congress to open their hearts to these refugees, and accept their share of the international community’s responsibility for finding a home for these people.

There may be some who will ask, “Where will it all end? What if the thousands whom we are being asked to find homes for end up becoming millions?” Others worry about the danger that a small minority of people fleeing war zones may espouse ideologies of violence, and that they may foment violence and unrest in this country, if they are allowed to settle here. My answer is that we should never, ever succumb to the temptation to despair. At the same time, we should never let our hearts rule over our heads. We need to be generous, but at the same time, intelligent and creative in finding solutions to people’s needs, while safeguarding the country in which we live. For example, in addition to accepting more refugees, America could assist developing countries which are willing to take them, but which lack the financial resources to build emergency homes for them. And if there are legitimate fears of certain individuals fomenting violence in refugee communities, then it is of course perfectly proper for governments to vigilantly monitor those communities – for by doing so, they protect and uphold the public good.

The elderly

I have spoken about justice towards the world’s children, especially the unborn and those who are newly born and suffering from famine and disease. I’d now like to address the needs of individuals at the other end of life: those who are nearing death. The first group of people I’d like to talk about are the elderly. It is a great scandal that even in the 21st century, there are elderly people living in affluent societies, who cannot find shelter at night. If we accept that the elderly have a right to life, then we must also accept that these people have a right not to freeze to death. A government which fails to guarantee them that right is failing in its most basic duties. The Church speaks of sheltering the homeless as a corporal act of mercy – and so it is, when performed by individuals. But in a prosperous society where governments can raise large amounts of money to help people in need, care for those who are both old and destitute is not an act of mercy, but an act of basic human justice.

Elderly people are often told that they shouldn’t be a burden on other people. We even hear of elderly people who spend long periods in hospital being described as “bed blockers.” Some physicians, who really should know better, talk of “quality-adjusted life years” as they attempt to calculate who would benefit more from treatment: the young and able, or the elderly and disabled. Such talk has no place in a just society. If anyone has earned the right to be a burden on society, it is old people. They should be proud, not ashamed, of being a burden. And to the “hard-headed realists” (as they like to call themselves) who wonder where all the money for costly medical treatments is going to come from, I would like to point out that in times past, when society was a lot poorer than it is now, we somehow managed to look after our elderly without euthanizing them. The Hippocratic Oath has been a part of Western medical practice for 2,400 years. Doctors taking this oath swear to “do no harm,” when they recite these words: “I will, according to my ability and judgment, prescribe a regimen for the health of the sick; but I will utterly reject harm and mischief.” It is the duty of a just society to uphold the values enshrined in this oath – for the inhumane alternative is to regard human lives as expendable, when they are judged to be too burdensome on society at large. Would you want to live in a society like that?

Euthanasia is often presented by the media as a “choice.” I have a simple answer to that. If it’s a choice, then why is it that that two-thirds of patients requesting euthanasia are women? People who are elderly, poor, sick and vulnerable can be manipulated in many different ways, both by relatives who might want them out of the way and by well-meaning doctors, nurses and caregivers who may mistakenly believe that they are acting in their patients’ best interests by raising the subject of euthanasia, and asking them if they want to avail themselves of that choice. But to people who are easily intimidated, even to raise the subject of euthanasia is to restrict their choices. For these poor folk are no fools; they can take a hint. To ask a patient if they want to die is to imply that their life is so worthless that maybe they should die. A just society will never allow its elderly people to be subjected to such a false “choice.”

We hear a lot about Alzheimer’s in the news, but we don’t hear so much about an affliction that the elderly are far more likely to suffer from: loneliness and the feeling of being unloved and unwanted. Eventually, we can be sure that science will find a cure for diseases afflicting the brain, but science cannot cure the suffering of the human spirit. Old people need families, and they need supportive communities. They need to be recognized and validated. What they don’t need to be told that they are no longer fit to work, or contribute anything useful to society. Governments cannot create jobs for elderly people, but they can certainly remove the obstacles to them finding work. They can also assist and encourage elderly people who wish to serve their community by doing volunteer work.

Prisoners

There is another group of people who are nearing death that we don’t get to hear about much: prisoners who are on death row. Although the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor,” it adds that in situations where non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety, these are a more suitable way of promoting the common good, for the State can render a convicted criminal “incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself.” The Church cares about people’s bodies, but it cares most of all about their souls. In keeping with my predecessors, I reiterate their call for the death penalty to be suspended, in those countries – including this one – where the common good can be defended without having recourse to it.

And I might add that even in a violent and chaotic society where the death penalty might be deemed necessary, criminals who are condemned to death still have the right to be killed cleanly and quickly. There can be no excuse for painful and prolonged executions which torture their victim over a period of as much as 45 minutes. That is not justice; it is barbarism.

The vast majority of prisoners in this country will never end up on death row, but they have other basic rights which must be recognized. The most fundamental of these is the right to serve out their sentences in an environment which is free from the threat of violence – especially sexual violence. Rape is an all too common fact of life within prison walls. It can be prevented, and there are other countries around the world whose prison systems ensure a high level of safety for prisoners, around the clock. Crime deserves punishment, but violence is not a punishment. For the aim of punishment is to redeem the person who is punished, and bring him to an awareness of the wrong he has done. Violence does not redeem; it brutalizes and degrades the human spirit. It is time to stop prison violence.

The child abuse scandal within the Catholic Church

Violence is also a problem within society at large, and it goes without saying that a just society will do its utmost to ensure that those who are most vulnerable to violence are protected from it. In recent decades, the Church has had to confront the scandal of its own pastors seducing and sexually abusing children. Our Lord had terrifying words for anyone who would do a thing like that: “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung round his neck and he were cast into the sea.” I would like to humbly express my deepest remorse and my profound apologies to the people of America, for the Church’s failure to address this problem, for so long. I therefore call upon the Catholic bishops to not only co-operate with the authorities in preventing child abuse, but to be proactive in doing so: if they have good reason to even suspect that a priest or member of a religious order is abusing children, they should notify the authorities immediately, and turn over all records.

How violence affects women

Many women also have to live with the continual threat of physical and sexual violence. This is a problem that Western governments are confronting head-on, and that the Church is, at last, discussing openly. All I will say here is that the solution lies in educating men and boys, from a very early age, to respect the dignity of women. However, adversarial solutions, which seek to pit women against men and train them to “fight back,” won’t work. Men are not “the enemy.” We know this because the book of Genesis tells us that at the beginning of human history, God made them male and female. The two sexes are made for each other. Which brings me to the topic of marriage.

The institution of marriage

It should be obvious to everyone that the common good of society is served by an institution in which a man and a woman swear life-long fidelity to one another, and engage in intercourse which is open to the gift of life. None of us would be here today if such an institution did not exist – for without it, there might be isolated families, but there would be no society. Marriage is the glue that holds society together, at the family level. Take away that glue, or replace it with non-adhesive goo, and society collapses like a house of cards. What has been overlooked in the contemporary debate about gay marriage is that marriage is, by its very nature, essentially monogamous. However, there is no inherent reason why a relationship between two people of the same sex would need to be monogamous; hence it is a mistake to call it marriage. At the same time, we need to constantly keep in mind that gays and lesbians are children of the same God as everyone else. They are our neighbors, to whom we are bound to show charity. In defending marriage, we must never stoop to bigotry. All of us, after all, are sinners.

The dignity of labor and the dignity of business

Before I conclude my address, I’d like to say something about working people. I spoke previously about the dignity of work. Man is an animal who needs to work; it is not good for us to be idle. Work, no matter how menial, provides people with the joy of knowing that they are doing something useful, which someone else values enough to pay them for. And most of the money that workers get is spent on providing for the people whom they love most: members of their families.

Commensurate with the dignity of work is the dignity of business. You can’t have one without the other. Businesses need workers; workers need business. The investment of capital is a noble task: it not only contributes to the common good by supplying a product or service which benefits society, but it lends dignity to the lives of those who work to bring about this goal. And that is why I say that capitalism is not a dirty word; it is a good thing. Like every good thing, it may be justly regulated when its actions endanger the common good. However, business – that is, private enterprise – is not simply for the good of society; it is for the good of the individuals who built it. And the beauty of capitalism is that these individuals, by advancing their own good within the limits of the common good, can create opportunities – jobs, products and services – that benefit many other people, in countless ways. Money doesn’t make the world go round; love does that. But it is certainly true that free enterprise makes the wheels of society turn. And in so doing, it helps families too – which is precisely why it is so important for governments to step aside and let business do what it does best.

America is a country which justly prides itself on being the land of the brave and the home of the free. May it ever remain so, and may we never forget the obligations which we owe, in justice, towards other people in our society – especially the young and the old, the lonely and the needy.

God bless America.

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If you believe that there is some sort of individual personality which survives the death of the body then the death penalty is unnecessary. it means that the victim has moved on, however unwillingly, to a different, possibly better, domain of existence but that being has not been permanently extinguished. If there is nothing that survives the death of the body then whether the death penalty is applicable depends on the answers to two questions. First, is it an appropriate and a proportionate punishment for the offense of unlawfully taking the life of another human being? The offender has deprived the victim of the what would have been the rest of their life for good. It is irrevocably and irretrievably gone. Why should the offender be able live out the rest of their life when they have denied that possibility to the victim? Second, are there ever cases where it can be safely applied? We are all well aware that there are cases where people have been convicted on what, with hindisght, was the flimsiest of evidence, where they have been exonerated based on DNA evidence and/or the exposure of police and prosecutorial misconduct, where potential exculpatory evidence has been withheld. Against that, is there any reasonable doubt about the guilt of Ted Bundy or Gary Ridgeway, for example? In other words, is trial by jury a sufficiently reliable test of the evidence on which to base a death sentence? In my view, it is an appropriate and proportionate punishment for the likes of a Ted Bundy but the number of cases where there is more room for doubt means we should always err on the side of caution where there is the slightest doubt.Seversky
September 26, 2015
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If God is the Author of human life and the Universe and holds us and it in existence instant by instant, then He has the authority to sanction the killing of a group of humans by any means He chooses — even if His doing so doesn’t make sense to you.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, once you open the door to this line of "logic" we cannot know that God isn't using abortionists as "surgeons" to "cut out" evil in todays world, just because it wouldn't make sense to you either.
However, the very same arguments one could use to “justify” God demanding the death women and their unborn children by the sword could be used to “justify” the actions of abortionists. For example, if a women is evil enough to want their child to die, then one could argue that their child’s death would be God’s punishment for her evil. And being raised in such a family, such a child would have just been evil as well. IOW, it’s unclear how you could know that God isn’t just using abortionists as a “surgeon” to “cut out” evil that exceeded some limit that we cannot comprehend.
Are you saying we can unambiguously rule this out? If so how?
God’s authorization of killing in the Scriptures is the exception and not the rule. His command, “Thou shalt do no murder” was the rule, and when He became one of us and walked among us, He insisted on a higher standard of loving our enemies and doing good to them. “Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect” is the new rule, fulfilled by those who keep His commandment to “Love one another as I have loved you.” He loved you unto a humiliating, horrific death on a cross.
Any modern day leader claiming to have commanded genocide based on supposed divine instruction would be convinced of war crimes and tried for murder. Is this not moral progress or God just changing his mind for what appears to be arbitrary reasons?Popperian
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The problem for Popperian is that he denies the existence of any objective moral standards, values or duties, so there can be no state of affairs that can be objectively identified as an actual moral problem that needs to be solved. There can only be states of affairs that are contrary to his own moral preferences, and these only need to be resolved to the extent that he and his fellow travelers need the world to conform to their own preferences.
The problem for those that try to explain the growth of moral knowledge and moral problem solving though justification through an infallible source of moral standards, values or duties is that no one has explained how they can infallibly identify and interpret an infallible source in such a way that they could apply them in practice. IOW, it's unclear how they have any other recourse than to conjecture solutions to moral problems, then criticize them. That is, would use their own reason to determine when to defer to the infallible source, which is what someone would have done had they not believed in that infallible source. Human reason and criticism always comes before the infallible source. You might feel "obliged" to follow any such moral standards, values or duties, but that doesn't help if you do not actually know what they are when it comes to actually applying to genuine moral problems, in practice.Popperian
September 26, 2015
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Popperian @21, If God is the Author of human life and the Universe and holds us and it in existence instant by instant, then He has the authority to sanction the killing of a group of humans by any means He chooses -- even if His doing so doesn't make sense to you. Those who were killed in this way, and who were innocent of any grave evil, or who had repented of grave evil they were responsible for, upon dying and eventually entering into eternal joy, are to this day praising Him for His authorization of their being put to death, as they now see why He commanded that from a perspective which we cannot have in this life. God's authorization of killing in the Scriptures is the exception and not the rule. His command, "Thou shalt do no murder" was the rule, and when He became one of us and walked among us, He insisted on a higher standard of loving our enemies and doing good to them. "Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect" is the new rule, fulfilled by those who keep His commandment to "Love one another as I have loved you." He loved you unto a humiliating, horrific death on a cross.harry
September 26, 2015
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There is an important difference between technical problems and moral problems. From a technical standpoint, there is no difficulty in a couple getting a surrogate to have a baby for them. But from a moral standpoint, we have to consider the injustice done to the child, in being pro-created in such a fashion.
While I appreciate your clarification between moral and non moral problems, I don't think this quite answers my question, which was, are their genuine in that there are moral problems we must face, in practice?Popperian
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That said, I can accept that in some murder cases which are particularly heinous, the State may have a legitimate reason for inflicting the death penalty on an individual. However, if it does that, it should execute that person quickly and cleanly – e.g. by firing squad. No-one deserves a long, drawn-out death
When demanding the Israelites kill men, women and children in the Bible, couldn't God have just made them disappear? Death by the sword is not necessarily quick or clean. Did they deserve it?Popperian
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No, Sean Samis, overpopulation is NOT an objective problem. You can find out why in my e-book, Embryo and Einstein: Why They're Equal - especially section H (Do Women in Third World Countries Need Access to Legal Abortion?) and section I (Does Overpopulation Make Abortion A Practical Necessity?). You also dispute my premise that marriage is essentially monogamous on the grounds that polygamy has been widely tolerated. That doesn't follow. Marriage is not a creation of human law, so the fact that the law tolerates deviant forms of marriage in many countries is irrelevant. The fundamental purpose of marriage as a social institution is the creation of a bond within which child-rearing can take place. And before you throw a shoe at me and ask, "What about infertile couples?", consider this. Imagine that you arrived on a strange planet with intelligent beings who reproduced asexually. Would you expect to find an institution like marriage? I would not. If it weren't for the fact that we reproduce sexually, marriage wouldn't exist. 800 years ago, St. Thomas Aquinas exist pointed out that the raising of human infants requires a heavy parental investment in their education. That's basically why, in the case of the human animal, dads need to stick around and commit to their mother of their children. A society where fathers don't do that is a society that's in the process of falling apart. I might add that even in societies where polygamy is tolerated, it's a privilege of rich guys who can afford to support two families - and, I might add, that's what they're expected to do. Even in Muslim countries, only about 5% of marriages are polygamous. Such marriages come at a cost, however: they exclude poorer men from the marriage market. Mandatory monogamy is a great leveler: it applies to rich and poor alike.vjtorley
September 26, 2015
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Axel @17, That was an interesting take on Francis. Allow me to propose another view of Francis. From Francis' recent speech to congress:
The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development. This conviction has led me, from the beginning of my ministry, to advocate at different levels for the global abolition of the death penalty. I am convinced that this way is the best, since every life is sacred, every human person is endowed with an inalienable dignity, and society can only benefit from the rehabilitation of those convicted of crimes.
If one is going to advocate sparing the lives of those few convicted of crimes for which there is a death penalty, one ought to also earnestly and openly advocate for the global abolition of the death penalty for those who are completely innocent children being "legally" executed by the billions around the world through surgical abortion and abortifacient drugs. Francis too often boldly denounces evil which anybody in their right mind knows is evil, and is timid when it comes to denouncing the entrenched evil of our times. This is pathetic. To illustrate the point: It takes no courage or integrity to condemn racism and slavery today. When the American Abolitionists condemned them it took real courage. Their doing so came at the cost of enduring hatred, persecution and in some cases imprisonment. This is exactly what Christ promised His followers they would have to endure. It will take the same kind of commitment to bring about the global abolition of the imposition of the death penalty upon innocent children. When JPII first came to the U.S. he boldy proclaimed that "abortion is an unspeakable crime." Francis sounded like he was going to address the topic with his "The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development," but then turned the discussion to the death penalty instead. Ironically, when one considers that the group most often the victims of state-sanctioned executions are innocent children, one must agree that a "global abolition of the death penalty" is indeed urgently needed.harry
September 26, 2015
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The Pope should just shut up, IMO. The Catholic Church is part and parcel of all the problems that plague humanity. The Holy Roman Empire introduced the evil practice of dividing the land for price instead of an inheritance as it used to be. They turned Europe and the Middle East into an empire of perpetual war and forteresses. They invented evil capitalism which is responsible for the division of the world into the filthy rich and the filthy poor. Then they created a church full of men who don't like the company of women. What is wrong with this picture? The prophet Daniel spoke of the real power behind the Catholic Church, a foreign god who divided the land for a price and had no regard for the desire of women. You heard it here first. My advice to the Pope is this. Be cool, il Papa. Elijah is prophesied to come and restore all things. And as Shakespeare would have put it, "he shall be to Rome as the osprey to the fish, who takes it by sovereignty of nature."Mapou
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Here is a brief, witty, but profoundly moving take on Pope Francis' endeavours to reconvert the Catholic church to the mindset of Jesus, as we find it in the Gospel. Imho, it's 'a keeper'. http://aleteia.org/2015/09/23/michael-gerson-and-the-pope-francis-moment/Axel
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Andre @14:
Are morals objective?
Yes. Let’s step through this. “Objective” (as an adjective) means “based on facts rather than feelings or opinions, not influenced by feelings; existing outside of the mind, existing in the real worldMathematics are objective; as are its cousins Logic and Reason. A Fact: human beings and other living things are fragile, vulnerable, and limited creatures; humans--to be specific--have definite biological, social, and psychological needs and vulnerabilities. Objectively, we can say that EVIL is something that causes (or threatens to cause) an unnecessary harm. Something that is GOOD is not EVIL. Something that is GOOD also promotes health, welfare, happiness, etc. or it also promotes justice, equity, fairness. PLEASE NOTICE SOMETHING: whether something is EVIL or GOOD has almost nothing to do with preferences or wants.
How do we then work out which is right?
Faced with any moral choice; the first question is: would this choice cause an unnecessary harm? If it does or risks it, then you’re done: it’s probably EVIL and not GOOD. How do we work this out? With Logic and Reasoning from Truth and/or the Facts of Nature. This is, of course a very brief summary of objective morals, but I think it’s a good summary.
... we have a issue with too many people on the planet so I think culling is in order to get rid of the Human mouths that are putting pressure on the system and who in all likelyhood also contribute to man made climate change.
Certainly human overpopulation is an objective problem. Is “culling” a NECESSARY solution, or just one you prefer? If it’s NOT necessary, then it’s EVIL, and we’re done with it. sean s.sean samis
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Someone once asked one of the most challenging questions regarding the moral conduit of the catholic church: “Jesus was the poorest of the poor. Roman Catholicism, which claims to be His church, is the richest of the rich, the wealthiest institution on earth...How come, that such an institution, ruling in the name of this same itinerant preacher, whose want was such that he had not even a pillow upon which to rest his head, is now so top-heavy with riches that she can rival - indeed, that she can put to shame - the combined might of the most redoubtable financial trusts, of the most potent industrial super-giants, and of the most prosperous global corporation of the world?” Mark 10:21 “You (catholic church)lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” The second picture on the page says 1000 words: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCN-o6o3TlMgCFYweHgodTwEFZA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhumansarefree.com%2F2012%2F03%2Fchristian-church-is-biggest-financial.html&psig=AFQjCNGtFJDWwEiWCEx0tzEmctnyvnSPjA&ust=1443355113314613J-Mac
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Sean Are morals objective? There are many here who would argue that they are not. If they are not then I have a legitimate subjective moral code. How do we then work out which is right? All the points you list show that we have a issue with too many people on the planet so I think culling is in order to get rid of the Human mouths that are putting pressure on the system and who in all likelyhood also contribute to man made climate change.Andre
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Andre @11; I think the simplest answer is to tell you that you’ve forgotten what the phrase “moral dilemma” means.
A moral dilemma is a conflict in which you have to choose between two or more actions and have moral reasons for choosing each action.
Your list does not present any actual dilemmas; it’s just a shopping list of things you want to do conjoined to unsupported rationalizations for these wants. The only unifying theme seems to be that these are things you’d like to do; but as anyone who’s thought about morality knows, one’s wants have little to say about what is moral. “I want X legalized because I like it” is the kind of argument we all learned to ignore in middle school. So the question goes back to you: why should anyone take your list seriously when it appears that even you don’t? If you do think you have a serious point to make, I suggest you start by demonstrating some serious thought before writing. sean s.sean samis
September 25, 2015
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FYI - from COMPENDIUM OF THE SOCIAL DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH IV. THE PRINCIPLE OF SUBSIDIARITY a. Origin and meaning 185. Subsidiarity is among the most constant and characteristic directives of the Church's social doctrine and has been present since the first great social encyclical[395]. It is impossible to promote the dignity of the person without showing concern for the family, groups, associations, local territorial realities; in short, for that aggregate of economic, social, cultural, sports-oriented, recreational, professional and political expressions to which people spontaneously give life and which make it possible for them to achieve effective social growth[396]. This is the realm of civil society, understood as the sum of the relationships between individuals and intermediate social groupings, which are the first relationships to arise and which come about thanks to “the creative subjectivity of the citizen”[397]. This network of relationships strengthens the social fabric and constitutes the basis of a true community of persons, making possible the recognition of higher forms of social activity[398] . . . .rhampton7
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Sean What about other moral dillema's I want rape to be decriminalized because my moral code calls it good for spreading my genes. I want to have paedophilia decriminalized because I have no issue with sodomizing small children its fun and it amuses me to no end. I want cannibalism to be legalized, after all we are just animals and I can eat what I want. I want murder to be legalized so that I can help mother nature get rid of the helpless. Why does your moral dillema's have any preference over mine?Andre
September 25, 2015
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Popperian @2:
Are there genuine moral problems to solve?
Yes. Hunger Poverty Opportunity inequalities (educational, occupational, etc.) Economic inequality Violence (from War to crime) Racial, gender, sexual-orientation bigotry ... and so forth. Just a quick list... sean s.sean samis
September 25, 2015
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Regarding:
The institution of marriage It should be obvious to everyone that the common good of society is served by an institution in which a man and a woman swear life-long fidelity to one another, and engage in intercourse which is open to the gift of life. ...
Same-sex marriage does not interfere with, impede, or otherwise harm this institution.
... None of us would be here today if such an institution did not exist – for without it, there might be isolated families, but there would be no society. Marriage is the glue that holds society together, at the family level. Take away that glue, or replace it with non-adhesive goo, and society collapses like a house of cards. ...
The institution of marriage is not required for procreation; without it, humans would still exist. Without it, society would be different, but since humans are social animals, some society would exist even without the institution of marriage. It would be different, but not necessarily worse.
... What has been overlooked in the contemporary debate about gay marriage is that marriage is, by its very nature, essentially monogamous. ...
This is historically and sociologically false. Polygamy and infidelity have been common in human societies since the dawn of time. Polygamy is recognized and permitted in the Bible, and still practiced in some places even today.
... However, there is no inherent reason why a relationship between two people of the same sex would need to be monogamous; hence it is a mistake to call it marriage. ...
Ditto with relationships between two people of different sexes; there is no reason “a relationship between two people [of different sexes] would need to be monogamous.” Heterosexual infidelity and polygamy happen. If different-sex relationships are called “marriage” there is no reason to call same-sex relationships anything else.
...At the same time, we need to constantly keep in mind that gays and lesbians are children of the same God as everyone else. They are our neighbors, to whom we are bound to show charity. ...
Tho’ I no longer believe in any god, I agree with the sentiment this expresses. We are bound to show charity to all.
...In defending marriage, we must never stoop to bigotry. ...
By using the language of “defense” you have violated your own suggestions. Same-sex couples don’t attack marriage, they just want legal recognition of their marriages. Marriage equality does not attack marriage; it opposes the State-sanctioned imposition of a particular, narrow, religious definition of marriage. Such an imposition is impossible without some bigotry; one cannot advocate imposition of their own beliefs on others without eliding into bigotry; it goes with the territory.
All of us, after all, are sinners.
Very true. sean s.sean samis
September 25, 2015
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@vjtorley #6 The problem for Popperian is that he denies the existence of any objective moral standards, values or duties, so there can be no state of affairs that can be objectively identified as an actual moral problem that needs to be solved. There can only be states of affairs that are contrary to his own moral preferences, and these only need to be resolved to the extent that he and his fellow travelers need the world to conform to their own preferences.HeKS
September 25, 2015
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Two comments made about the Pope's speech to Congress" First, One commentator said: the Pope threaded the needle perfectly. In other words he didn't say anything to offend anyone. Second, A Catholic who is very versed on Church policy said: "I could not understand anything he said in terms of Church doctrine." He used the term subsidiarity a couple times but that is such a vague concept that it practically has no meaning. I did not hear it or read a transcript but just pass on what a couple said.jerry
September 25, 2015
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Hi Popperian, There is an important difference between technical problems and moral problems. From a technical standpoint, there is no difficulty in a couple getting a surrogate to have a baby for them. But from a moral standpoint, we have to consider the injustice done to the child, in being pro-created in such a fashion.vjtorley
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Nitrogen asphyxiation would seem like one of the most humane methods of execution, despite the fact no one uses it.daveS
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Hi Robert Byers, Thank you for your post. I'm not suggesting that the death penalty is unjust, as a punishment for murder; rather, what I'm saying is that it's unnecessary, in a society where life imprisonment is a viable option. That said, I can accept that in some murder cases which are particularly heinous, the State may have a legitimate reason for inflicting the death penalty on an individual. However, if it does that, it should execute that person quickly and cleanly - e.g. by firing squad. No-one deserves a long, drawn-out death.vjtorley
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"Politicians having tears in their eyes"? It doesn't move me... I'm yet to meet an honest politician...Visnu
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Since Barry doesn't seem interested in a seeing my question, perhaps you will. Are there genuine moral problems to solve? For example.
It should be obvious to everyone that the common good of society is served by an institution in which a man and a woman swear life-long fidelity to one another, and engage in intercourse which is open to the gift of life.
There are people fall in love with members of the opposite sex and people who fall in love with members of the same sex. Many of which want to get married, raise a family, etc., but could not, until recently. Was / is this a moral problem, in practice? There is no shortage of people who want heterosexual relationships which can sustain the population. And, even then, there is adoption, surrogates, etc. IOW, the real issues is practical matter about people in concrete situations. For example, I've heard arguments along the lines that if same-sex marriage is "good" then everyone would marry someone from the same sex and we would go extinct. But that denies that there are actual moral problems to solve in a concrete sense. So I would again ask, is there such a thing as genuine moral problems to solve?Popperian
September 25, 2015
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Didn't hear the speech or know he was there. Its so dumb to see the Pope received with tears when they oppose the most important points. i like your list on abortion/marriage etc. I don't like the kids refugees thing. Those people made the problem/and america and other nations don't owe them a home and wealth. They should plan on going back but they never do. Its their fault and probably people don't need to leave. it might be the those who see a chance for easy immigration. The death penalty is a moral response to murder and a moral duty for us to do it I think. Did the Pope wimp out on the issues?Robert Byers
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