When science becomes anti-human life

Silver Asiatic

I didn’t follow that – I think you misstated. I believe you meant “its not unreasonable to think that pro-life is result of misogyny”? Otherwise, yes – it would be unreasonable to think that.

Thanks for the response. I think we have the same position. To clarify, I'm saying that pro-life is not misogynistic. davidl1

ET

Science says that life begins at conception.

Exactly. Even the NY Times couldn't avoid that fact:

From Cradle to Grave, Democrats Move to Expand Social Safety Net The $3.5 trillion social policy bill that lawmakers begin drafting this week would touch virtually every American, at every point in life, from conception to old age. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/us/politics/democrats-biden-social-safety-net.html

The copy-editor slipped-up here (catch it before it's taken down) ... "Every American" will benefit "from conception ..." They all know this - clearly, they got caught this time. Otherwise, they're just telling lies about how supposedly nobody knows when life begins. Silver Asiatic

David

I don’t think that it’s reasonable to assume that a pro-life position is a result of misogyny.

I didn't follow that - I think you misstated. I believe you meant "its not unreasonable to think that pro-life is result of misogyny"? Otherwise, yes - it would be unreasonable to think that.

I know it’s just anecdotal, but I’ve never heard anybody say he or she was against abortion because it would benefit women.

Aside from the fact that abortion kills baby girls - and therefore to oppose abortion would save the lives of women, there are some women who have survived abortion anyway, in spite of the desire to have them killed: https://abortionsurvivors.org/ Can you imagine surviving and living after your mother and father wanted you dead and attempted to kill you? So certainly, it's pro-women to oppose abortion for their sake. But more significantly, Project Rachel is a significant movement, touching thousands of women who have been abused and harmed by abortion (a movement totally black-listed and ignored by the media so there's no wonder that you have never heard of them). Project Rachel https://hopeafterabortion.com/ Grief, pain, sorrow after having killed one's own child - that's a normal reaction. It needs healing and help. Opposition to abortion comes from these very women. Very hard to conclude that they're misogynist. In fact, what does it say about the movement that exists to make it easier to kill children, and then cover up the grisly and tragic aftermath in the lives of thousands of women who suffer the effect (physically, emotionally, mentally)? Silver Asiatic

As for the strong objections from the right to the provision of abortion and contraception services poor communities, it reveals an ugly undercurrent of atavistic misogyny in the abortion movement which largely ignores the rights of the woman.

Is that implying that if men were the primary caregivers, the "right" would be pro-choice? I know it's just anecdotal, but I've never heard anybody say he or she was against abortion because it would benefit women. I've heard religious arguments (it's prohibited by God) and more generic moral arguments (life begins at conception, so it's killing an innocent human), but I've never heard anybody object to abortion on the grounds that it would benefit women. I don't think that it's reasonable to assume that a pro-life position is a result of misogyny. davidl1

Science says that life begins at conception. Leave it to the liberals to ignore science when it suits their asinine agenda. ET

Silver Asiatic/7

Take a look at demographics in Western nations – birth rates. That’s just the people who eliminate their own children or abort children of the poor (black communities in America are especially attacked by pro-abortion overlords).

Declining birth rates seem to be associated with being better off financially. People can afford to do other things rather than just churning out babies. As for the strong objections from the right to the provision of abortion and contraception services poor communities, it reveals an ugly undercurrent of atavistic misogyny in the abortion movement which largely ignores the rights of the woman.

But you could also consider radical environmentalists (in the spirit of Darwin) who speak of human beings as an evil on this planet that should be eliminated.

Human beings have done a great deal of damage to the environment on which we all depend for our existence and are continuing to do so. Private enterprises pillage and pollute the environment in all manner of ways for profit but will do as little as they can get away with to clean up the messes they create, unless compelled to by legislation.

Governor Nordstrom recently explained how children are left to die – after having been born.

If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

Ah, the usual out-of-context quotation.

Northam’s office said in a statement on Wednesday that his comments were taken out of context and that Republicans “are trying to play politics with women’s health.” “No woman seeks a third trimester abortion except in the case of tragic or difficult circumstances, such as a nonviable pregnancy or in the event of severe fetal abnormalities, and the governor’s comments were limited to the actions physicians would take in the event that a woman in those circumstances went into labor,” Ofirah Yheskel, Northam’s spokesperson, wrote in the statement. “Attempts to extrapolate these comments otherwise is in bad faith and underscores exactly why the governor believes physicians and women, not legislators, should make these difficult and deeply personal medical decisions,” Yheskel said in the statement. In a tweet posted later Wednesday, Northam wrote, “I have devoted my life to caring for children and any insinuation otherwise is shameful and disgusting.”

Seversky

Seversky

So who are these evil overlords who want to exterminate humanity?

Take a look at demographics in Western nations - birth rates. That's just the people who eliminate their own children or abort children of the poor (black communities in America are especially attacked by pro-abortion overlords). But you could also consider radical environmentalists (in the spirit of Darwin) who speak of human beings as an evil on this planet that should be eliminated. Cutting living babies up feet first (in abortions) is a bad idea in principle.

It makes me laugh.

Governor Nordstrom recently explained how children are left to die - after having been born.

If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

Silver Asiatic

And you make us laugh. Thank you. ET

It makes me laugh. Seversky

Seversky So who are these evil overlords who want to exterminate humanity? Shape-shifters? Reptilians? Daleks?

Do you think is something more comical than to believe that some chemicals become a reptile over time? Sandy

seversky:

So who are these evil overlords who want to exterminate humanity?

Liberals. In the USA they are the losers who voted for Biden for President in 2020. ET

So who are these evil overlords who want to exterminate humanity? Shape-shifters? Reptilians? Daleks? Seversky

This is important. Excellent insights, News - thank you.

All human traditions must speak against it.

So true. There are very few movements that could speak across a variety of traditions, cultures and religions to help answer that call. ID is one of them - and perhaps the best. Silver Asiatic