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It’s time to start delivering on a promise to address “warrant, knowledge, logic and first duties of reason as a cluster,” even at risk of being thought pedantic. Our civilisation is going through a crisis of confidence, down to the roots. If it is to be restored, that is where we have to start, and in the face of rampant hyperskepticism, relativism, subjectivism, emotivism, outright nihilism and irrationality, we need to have confidence regarding knowledge.

Doing my penance, I suppose: these are key issues and so here I stand, in good conscience, I can do no other, God help me.

For a start, from the days of Plato, knowledge has classically been defined as “justified, true belief.” However, in 1963, the late Mr Gettier put the cat in among the pigeons, with Gettier counter-examples; which have since been multiplied. In effect, there are circumstances (and yes, sometimes seemingly contrived, but these are instructive thought exercises) in which someone or a circle may be justified to hold a belief but on taking a wider view such cannot reasonably be held to be a case of knowledge.

As a typical thought exercise, consider a circle of soldiers and sailors on some remote Pacific island, who are eagerly awaiting a tape of a championship match sent out by the usual morale units. They get it, play it and rejoice that team A has won over team B (and the few who thought otherwise have to cough up on their bets to the contrary). Unbeknownst to them, through clerical error, it was last year’s match, which had the same A vs B match-up and more or less the same outcome. They are justified — have a right — to believe, what they believe is so, but somehow the two fail to connect leading to accidental, not reliable arrival at truth.

Knowledge must be built of sterner stuff.

Ever since, epistemology as a discipline, has struggled to rebuild a solid consensus on what knowledge is.

Plantinga weighed in with a multi-volume study, championing warrant, which(as we just noted) is at first defined by bill of requisites. That is, we start with what it must do. So, warrant — this builds on the dictionary/legal/commercial sense of a reliable guarantee of performance “as advertised” — will be whatever reliably converts beliefs we have a right to into knowledge.

The challenge being, to fill in the blank, “Warrant is: __________ .”

Plantinga then summarises, in his third volume:

The question is as old as Plato’s Theaetetus: what is it that distinguishes knowledge from mere true belief? What further quality or quantity must a true belief have, if it is to constitute knowledge? This is one of the main questions of epistemology. (No doubt that is why it is called ‘theory of knowledge’.) Along with nearly all subsequent thinkers, Plato takes it for granted that knowledge is at least true belief: you know a proposition p only if you believe it, and only if it is true. [–> I would soften to credibly, true as we often use knowledge in that softer, defeat-able sense cf Science] But Plato goes on to point out that true belief, while necessary for knowledge, is clearly not sufficient: it is entirely possible to believe something that is true without knowing it . . .

[Skipping over internalism vs externalism, Gettier, blue vs grue or bleen etc etc] Suppose we use the term ‘warrant’ to denote that further quality or quantity (perhaps it comes in degrees), whatever precisely it may be, enough of which distinguishes knowledge from mere true belief. Then our question (the subject of W[arrant and] P[roper] F[unction]): what is warrant?

My suggestion (WPF, chapters 1 and 2) begins with the idea that a belief has warrant only if it is produced by cognitive faculties that are functioning properly, subject to no disorder or dysfunction—construed as including absence of impedance as well as pathology. The notion of proper function is fundamental to our central ways of thinking about knowledge. But that notion is inextricably bound with another: that of a design plan.37

Human beings and their organs are so constructed that there is a way they should work, a way they are supposed to work, a way they work when they work right; this is the way they work when there is no malfunction . . . We needn’t initially take the notions of design plan and way in which a thing is supposed to work to entail conscious design or purpose [–> design, often is naturally evident, e.g. eyes are to see and ears to hear, both, reasonably accurately] . . .

Accordingly, the first element in our conception of warrant (so I say) is that a belief has warrant for someone only if her faculties are functioning properly, are subject to no dysfunction, in producing that belief.39 But that’s not enough.

Many systems of your body, obviously, are designed to work in a certain kind of environment . . . . this is still not enough. It is clearly possible that a belief be produced by cognitive faculties that are functioning properly in an environment for which they were designed, but nonetheless lack warrant; the above two conditions are not sufficient. We think that the purpose or function of our belief-producing faculties is to furnish us with true (or verisimilitudinous) belief. As we saw above in connection with the F&M complaint [= Freud and Marx], however, it is clearly possible that the purpose or function of some belief-producing faculties or mechanisms is the production of beliefs with some other virtue—perhaps that of enabling us to get along in this cold, cruel, threatening world, or of enabling us to survive a dangerous situation or a life-threatening disease.

So we must add that the belief in question is produced by cognitive faculties such that the purpose of those faculties is that of producing true belief.

More exactly, we must add that the portion of the design plan governing the production of the belief in question is aimed at the production of true belief (rather than survival, or psychological comfort, or the possibility of loyalty, or something else) . . . .

[W]hat must be added is that the design plan in question is a good one, one that is successfully aimed at truth, one such that there is a high (objective) probability that a belief produced according to that plan will be true (or nearly true). Put in a nutshell, then, a belief has warrant for a person S only if that belief is produced in S by cognitive faculties functioning properly (subject to no dysfunction) in a cognitive environment [both macro and micro . . . ] that is appropriate for S’s kind of cognitive faculties, according to a design plan that is successfully aimed at truth. We must add, furthermore, that when a belief meets these conditions and does enjoy warrant, the degree of warrant it enjoys depends on the strength of the belief, the firmness with which S holds it. This is intended as an account of the central core of our concept of warrant; there is a penumbral area surrounding the central core where there are many analogical extensions of that central core; and beyond the penumbral area, still another belt of vagueness and imprecision, a host of possible cases and circumstances where there is really no answer to the question whether a given case is or isn’t a case of warrant.41 [Warranted Christian Belief (NY/Oxford: OUP, 2000), pp 153 ff. See onward, Warrant, the Current Debate and Warrant and Proper Function; also, by Plantinga.]

So, we may profitably distinguish [a] Plantinga’s specification (bill of requisites) for warrant and [b] his theory of warrant. The latter, being (for the hard core):

a belief has warrant for a person S only if that belief is produced in S by cognitive faculties functioning properly (subject to no dysfunction) in a cognitive environment [both macro and micro . . . ] that is appropriate for S’s kind of cognitive faculties, according to a design plan that is successfully aimed at truth.

Obviously, warrant comes in degrees, which is just what we need to have. Certain things are known to utterly unchangeable certainty, others are to moral certainty, others for good reason are held to be reasonably reliable though not certain enough to trust when the stakes are high, other things are in doubt as to whether they are knowledge, some things outright fail any responsible test.

That’s why I have taken up and commend a modified form, recognising that what we think is credibly, reliably true today may oftentimes be corrected for cause tomorrow. (Back in High School Chemistry class, I used to imagine a courier arriving at the door to deliver the latest updates to our teacher.)

Yes, I accept that many knowledge claims are defeat-able, so open-ended and provisional.

Indeed, that is part of what distinguishes the prudence and fair-mindedness of sober knowledge claims hard won and held or even stoutly defended in the face of uncertainty and challenge from the false certitude of blind ideologies. Especially, where deductive logical schemes can have no stronger warrant than their underlying axioms and assumptions and where inductive warrant provides support, not utterly certain, incorrigible, absolute demonstration.

That said, we must recognise that some few things are self-evident, e.g.:

While self-evident truths cannot amount to enough to build a worldview, they can provide plumb line tests relevant to the reliability of warrant for what we accept as knowledge:

Such, of course, bring to the fore Ciceronian first duties of reason:

Marcus [in de Legibus, introductory remarks, C1 BC, being Cicero himself]: . . . we shall have to explain the true nature of moral justice, which is congenial and correspondent with the true nature of man [–> we are seeing the root vision of natural law, coeval with our humanity] . . . . “Law (say [“many learned men”]) is the highest reason, implanted in nature, which prescribes those things which ought to be done, and forbids the contrary” . . . . They therefore conceive that the voice of conscience is a law, that moral prudence is a law [–> a key remark] , whose operation is to urge us to good actions, and restrain us from evil ones . . . . the origin of justice is to be sought in the divine law of eternal and immutable morality. This indeed is the true energy of nature, the very soul and essence of wisdom, the test of virtue and vice.

We may readily expand such first duties of reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so also to fairness and justice. Where, it may readily be seen that the would-be objector invariably appeals to the said duties. Does s/he object, false, or doubtfully so, or errors of reason, or failure to warrant, or unfairness or the like, alike, s/he appeals to the very same duties, collapsing in self-referentiality. So, instead, let us acknowledge that these are inescapable, true, self-evident.

It may help, too to bring out first principles of right reason, such as:

Laws of logic in action as glorified common-sense first principles of right reason

Expanding as a first list:

Such enable us to better use our senses and faculties to build knowledge. END

U/D May 16, regarding the Overton window, first, just an outline:

Next, as applied:

Backgrounder, on the political spectrum:

Comments
Have you seen the irony alert?
I don’t know anything about diversity even though I’ve been to all 7 continents twice and over forty countries, all I did was watch animals and look at scenery.jerry
May 18, 2021
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Sandy, when I say "the truth is we have to live with diversity", what I mean is that it is a true fact that the world is filled with people holding very diverse views and ways of living. That is an empirical fact. Whether one feels that one "has to live with that" is an individual choice. I think we have to try to work towards living with that, but as I said elsewhere that doesn't mean I support all those diverse views. It just means I recognize the reality of such diverse views being part of the world, and my merely not liking it isn't going to make them go away.Viola Lee
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KF, you write,
So, put up cause to take opinions seriously as responsibly, reliably warranted and so trustworthy rather than fallacious and ruinously manipulative, or fail as utterly irrational and misanthropically anticivilisational _______
There is nothing very comprehensible about that KF. Can you be more specific? What part of what I have written do you take issue with: that same-sex attractions are just as natural, and to some seen as God-given, as heterosexual attractions, and thus our commitment to treating people equally justifies them having all the legal, civil benefits of marriage? Instead of just name-calling, address the specifics.Viola Lee
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Viola Lee Paige, I cherish some parts of diversity and some I don’t, but the truth is we have to live with diversity– both the good and bad parts. Ironically, one of the diverse views that we have to live with is of those who have a dogmatic insistence that one view, and one view only, is acceptable: that is, that we shouldn’t have diverse views. Posting here is one little way that I attempt to reach such people with ideas about different possible views.
:))) Have you seen the irony alert?Sandy
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VL (ATTN Paige), have you been able to cogently fill in the blanks? No. The issue stands as noted already, despite your further displeasure with it; and yes, knowledge is a general level issue, it is epistemology one of the main branches of philosophy. Until you can answer to it, you have not got a leg to stand on. KFkairosfocus
May 18, 2021
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"it’s all coercion" WJM, So, do you believe the Christian God is coercing everything you do? Or do you not believe in the Christian God, therefore you have freedom of choice? Are you one of the guys who doesn't believe in the Christian God, but still formulate positions to blame him for this or that or the other thing? Is that what you do? Andrewasauber
May 18, 2021
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Asauber asks:
Does WJM understand this freedom or does he see it as a coercion of some kind?
Unless I was consulted and made a fully informed decision to come here before coming here, then of course it's all coercion, one way or another, by God, more powerful entities, or natural/spiritual forces.William J Murray
May 18, 2021
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Asauber said:
You are being deliberately obtuse as usual, WJM.
I think I'm being perfectly clear. Are you a mind-reader? How would you know if I am being "deliberately" obtuse?
We can know right from wrong because God reveals the knowledge to us and you are free to reject it
That doesn't change the fact, from that perspective, that God forced that "rightness" on us in the first place, whether He "reveals" it to us or not.
Your issue is that you are not grateful for what you have been given.
Under the Christian premise, I haven't been "given" anything; all of this was forced on me without my consent.
What you are doing isn’t merely describing what you think God has done, you are complaining about it. I think it’s sad.
I'm not complaining about your theistic system because it isn't my perspective. I'm making observations about it.William J Murray
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If we could just investigate a leftist nutcase, analyze him or her, then we would just find that materialism is the cause of it. These leftists have supersophisticated intellectual rationalization for what they do. The accusation that leftists are without intellectual warrant, is bogus. So did Hitler have sophisticated rationalization, writing two books full of it. And the una bomber with his manifesto, and that killer in Norway with his manifesto. And not to forget, Cuban Castro with his diatribe intellectual discussions. They all have sophisticated intellectual justifications. It's just that they generally all have a crap personal judgement, which is because they systematically ignore emotions, because emotions aren't material / factual. It is totally obvious that atheists are all just fact obsessed morons, who are utterly clueless about subjectivity. They throw out creationism, while subjectivity, emotions, are inherently creationist concepts. 1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion 2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / factmohammadnursyamsu
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Paige, I cherish some parts of diversity and some I don't, but the truth is we have to live with diversity– both the good and bad parts. Ironically, one of the diverse views that we have to live with is of those who have a dogmatic insistence that one view, and one view only, is acceptable: that is, that we shouldn't have diverse views. Posting here is one little way that I attempt to reach such people with ideas about different possible views.Viola Lee
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So here's something for us to think about. God wasn't the only person with a role in our creation. Our parents were involved too. Humans have the power to help create families or not. That's a significant freedom. Does WJM understand this freedom or does he see it as a coercion of some kind? Andrewasauber
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VL
I read KF’s “defense” at 351 and 352, which is nothing but another rant of dire generalizations about the catastrophic state of civilization. There is not one word in there about how people are to work to determine “warrant” when there is serious disagreement about issues among raional, educated, caring people, nor about how we are to live in a world where we have wide diversity of views: even if we strongly disagree with others, we have to live with them.
I think the bolded sentence is the crux of the matter. Correct me if I misrepresent you, but I think that you and I cherish living in a world where there are different worldviews, different religions, different opinions. Interacting and learning about these makes life interesting and makes us better people. However, KF, BA77, Sandy, SB and a few others here, especially those who insist on labelling people, don't want a world with varied worldview, religions and opinions; they want everyone to believe what they believe. Anything less would result in the downfall of civilization. I said that we should be strongly advocating for arranged marriages semi-facetiously, but I think it is very appropriate. If protection of the nuclear family is truly the reason that they oppose SSM then they would be hypocritical if they didn't advocate for arranged marriages which have an order of magnitude lower divorce rate than traditional marriage. But they won't because we all know that their position on SSM is religious, not protection of the nuclear family.paige
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"Under your premise, we know right from wrong not because God is good and right, but because he forced that “rightness” on us by creating it into the world, and then forcing it on us when He created us into this world." You are being deliberately obtuse as usual, WJM. We can know right from wrong because God reveals the knowledge to us and you are free to reject it and whatever goodness and rightness you think you can detect (which you obviously reject a lot of it). Your issue is that you are not grateful for what you have been given. What you are doing isn't merely describing what you think God has done, you are complaining about it. I think it's sad. Andrewasauber
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Asauber said:
It’s not God’s might that makes him “right”. His goodness makes Him “right”. It’s His nature to be “right”
If God didn't have the might to instantiate His rightness into His creation, including the consequences for right or wrong behavior, nobody would be living under that rightness, now would they? Under your premise, we know right from wrong not because God is good and right, but because he forced that "rightness" on us by creating it into the world, and then forcing it on us when He created us into this world. There is no escaping might makes right.William J Murray
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Thanks for the link, Jerry. Andrewasauber
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It’s not God’s might that makes him “right”. His goodness makes Him “right”. It’s His nature to be “right”
You may be interested in the transcript of the lecture on Boethius from the Teaching Company. I transcribed part of it on another thread. Interesting in the archives, there are no tags for Boethius (that I understand) but also none for goodness or happiness or fortune which is chance. The tag "chance" is in the smallest type which means there isn't many articles for it. In fact there is only one so I picked it to post these thoughts on goodness, happiness, fortune and chance. If you are interested here is the link. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/chance-vs-randomness-another-theological-dance-in-darwins-defense/#comment-730766 A little background on Boethius. He rose from an orphan to the second highest rank in the Roman Empire, just below the emperor(when the empire was in decline.) But was then unjustly accused of treason and put in prison to await execution (AD 524.) In prison, he wrote his magnum opus, "The Consolation of Philosophy." aside: think how hard it was to compose a long document in a prison in the 500's. I heard a story yesterday of Hardy, who in the early 1800's composed a long treatise on the history of the French Revolution and sent it to John Stuart Mill for his thoughts. Mill had the document destroyed and blamed his servant. Hardy was without his long document and had to construct it over again from memory as all his notes were gone. He had no copy on his computer.jerry
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I read KF's "defense" at 351 and 352, which is nothing but another rant of dire generalizations about the catastrophic state of civilization. There is not one word in there about how people are to work to determine "warrant" when there is serious disagreement about issues among raional, educated, caring people, nor about how we are to live in a world where we have wide diversity of views: even if we strongly disagree with others, we have to live with them. KF offers nothing about these genuine issues. All his words are so unspecified that they can be applied to any view. Really, their only message is that a certain view, his and others like him, is right, and everyone is wrong. I particularly note this line, "Oh, you may dress up with nice sounding terms like “values,” “equality,” “equity” etc, but the ugly, brutal 1984 message is clear." What a dismissal! The idea that someone with views other than his might genuinely care about such values as equality is beyond his comprehension. Trying to sort through specific issues here is instructive, but dismaying.Viola Lee
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WJM, It's not God's might that makes him "right". His goodness makes Him "right". It's His nature to be "right". Maybe a Muslim would say otherwise, or some other religious group, but Christianity wouldn't. Andrewasauber
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At 351, KF writes, "You challenge me to connect back to focus," No, I didn't challenge you. I just responded to your claims that the thread was off-topic. Your feeling of being challenged is something you bring to the table. Jerry writes, "One used the Nazi Germany defense of immoral laws, it’s the law, and the other argued against the nuclear family." No, we were not using the "Nazi Germany" defends of immoral laws. We were discussing the more difficult questions of what do we do when people disagree about what is moral, and in particular your claim that people should be able to not follow laws they believe are immoral without consequence. Paige mentioned civil disobedience. If you believe the laws are immoral, work to change the laws, or break the laws and be willing to take the consequences. Dismissing those ideas, which are at the heart of our democratic ideals, as "Nazi Germany". Expecting to be able to claim religious belief" as a rationale for being allowed to break the law is an unacceptable idea, in my opinion. And we have not argued against the nuclear family. Being supportive of a wide range of other family arrangements is not the same as being against the nuclear family: I said quite a few things about that above. So you misrepresent us,I think. And KF writes, "Jerry, the key exchange at Nuremberg ran, that you did not need a legislature or court to tell you that murder was wrong, inherently criminal." Same-sex marriage is not in the same category as murder. Over half the people in the US don't think same-sex marriage is wrong. You are comparing two fundamentally different things.Viola Lee
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Somebody feels neglected. Expressed as
My inane thoughts are as vacuous as their’s. Look at me, look at me. Please look at me!
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From the Christian perspective, did anyone ask to be created and forced into this situation? Or, did God create us in a neutral place and then ask us if we wanted to be thrown into this world without any memory of making that choice? No? Then, might makes right. Even the argument that might does not make right is necessarily, ultimately argued from a might makes right perspective; the ultimate, creative or existential might that establishes and enforces what is "right."William J Murray
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Lawless oligarchy is the natural order of government, because all government depends on power and the will to enforce it on others. Those with power and the will to enforce it on others are inherently predisposed to lawless oligarchy, even if they must disguise it to others or themselves as some form of lawful democracy or republic. Even democratic voting represents the will to enforce your desires on others. There is no escaping it. Might (in whatever form) makes right is just the way things are, even if you believe in a good, just, creator God.William J Murray
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Jerry, the key exchange at Nuremberg ran, that you did not need a legislature or court to tell you that murder was wrong, inherently criminal. As I just augmented these have lost across the board, they cannot justify having an intellectually defensible right to what they opine, propose and use as objections, much less reliable warrant on faculties with evident purpose of truth, with reliable functioning and in a correct environment to work as advertised. They have lost -- nay, forfeited --the right to imply or suggest knowledge, moral justification, policy soundness, logic, science. There is no longer enough doubt in the intellectual marketplace account to claim the benefit of. Across the board intellectual and moral bankruptcy. Worse, the crooked yardsticks behind their arguments, opinions and assumptions warp them away from being corrected and lead to misanthropic, anti civilisational, looter mentality jacobinism and Cretanism. Unfortunately, the fallacies are widespread and deeply embedded. Hence, a hard grinding slog to dig them out and replace them with Ciceronian soundness pivoting on highest reason. Welcome to Guadalcanal. KFkairosfocus
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The intellectual and moral bankruptcy lie exposed, and the voyage of folly consequences are on record
Kf, I usually do not engage the disingenuous here unless I believe it will expose their insincerity and make a point. I often wonder why they are here. But in a way the exchange was on target as a lack of justification for any of their views was further exposed. They cannot help exposing the vacuousness of their positions. One used the Nazi Germany defense of immoral laws, it’s the law, and the other argued against the nuclear family. In the OP on the natural law being the basis for human law, I brought up the Teaching Company course on Natural Law. In the beginning of that course, it was pointed out at the Nuremberg Trials, the argument was made that there is a higher law than human law built into the species which is why they could try the Germans. But one of our commenters here spent a lot of words arguing against such a position. So it was about the OP. Aside: many fail to understand that technological advancements are often contrary to moral advancement. We may be on a technological exponential growth curve but on a decline morally. Many think the one is all that is needed but the second curve’s decline may prove the undoing of everything.jerry
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Jerry, this is the OP and thread where the measure of what we are dealing with is taken. The inveterate objectors manifestly cannot justify much less warrant their assertions, insinuations, inferences and suggestions or proposed policy, they have lost the knowledge issue so also the Science issue and the logic issue too. The intellectual and moral bankruptcy lie exposed, and the voyage of folly consequences are on record since Plato and since Acts 27. The wider history is there, including the utter bankruptcy of jacobinism and radical revolution including culture form marxism and its narrative of civilisational oppression while it targets the cultural buttresses that support the unprecedented freedom of constitutional democracy. We can take it to the bank that were they to gain unchecked power, lawless ideological oligarchy would rise again as they loot the civilisation and do as they will with those they despise, slander and scapegoat. They started the fight, it is time for counter-offensives that will not stop until there is unconditional surrender. For the US, I am confident that China's blue ocean breakout attempt is a major wakeup call hence the 124 generals and admirals joining their French and Australian colleagues in warning. Iran is getting the message it can advance in the face of appeasement, though Israel is currently handing Hamas some body blows. The geostrategic vultures are rising. Locally, I think you are at Midway-Guadalcanal stage, tide-turning, mostly grinding battles that will take time to break the forces that indulged strategic over-reach by launching a Pearl Harbour strike. It is that distraction the Chinese hope to exploit to foster Blue Ocean breakout. They are even seeking Atlantic bases. Folly has consequences, including global geostrategic consequences. KFkairosfocus
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VL, et al: I find it interesting how you wish to justify derailment. You challenge me to connect back to focus, which is on knowledge and warrant (which have largely been evaded, dismissed and dodged, itself significant), I will. The matter is simple, this is about knowledge and warrant, not opinions, feelings, manipulation, imposition by might and/or manipulation. Plantinga rightly argues that absent reliable and credibly purposeful means of moving beyond belief to credible truth, one has no warrant. Where, it is easy to see above that on issues of choice, policy, government, declaration under colour of law, moral freight through justice -- due balance of rights, freedoms and responsibilities/duties -- you have rejected, evaded, resisted, dismissed self evident Ciceronian first duties of reason tied to the evident purpose and regulation of mind through rightly guided highest reason. Therefore, we have a right to conclude that you have forfeited claims to warrant regarding justice, government and law. That leaves only the nihilism of might and manipulation backed by lawless will to power. Complete with 1984 style newspeak corruption of language, warping thinking through turning language itself into a means of manipulation. Oh, you may dress up with nice sounding terms like "values," "equality," "equity" etc, but the ugly, brutal 1984 message is clear. The radical progressivist agenda is fundamentally misanthropic, anti-civilisational, irrational, impulse driven and that by perverse fundamentally irrational impulses. The appeals to authority of first duties you cannot evade making are in utter disregard to duty to truth. In short, we are dealing with modern Cretanism. In Epimenides of Crete's words of C6 BC, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." Only ship of fools voyages can come from such a mix. No wonder, two years after his experience of a voyage of folly, Paul wrote in the circular letter we find as Ep. Eph:
Eph 4: 17 So I say this, and insist23 in the Lord, that you no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility24 of their thinking.25 18 They are darkened in their understanding,26 being alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts. 19 Because they are callous, they have given themselves over to indecency for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.27 20 But you did not learn about Christ like this, 21 if indeed you heard about him and were taught in him, just as the truth is in Jesus. 22 You were taught with reference to your former way of life to lay aside28 the old man who is being corrupted in accordance with deceitful desires, 23 to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and to put on the new man who has been created in God’s image29 – in righteousness and holiness that comes from truth.30
That is the stark choice our civilisation again faces, in the words of the man who literally embodied the Christian synthesis of the heritage of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome that is at the root of our civilisation as we know it today. No wonder, we see the worst, ongoing holocaust in history proceeding under false colour of law, slaughter of living posterity in the womb. No wonder we see politics of agit prop and lawfare backed by corruption of policing, courts and legislatures, shaped by the impact of that holocaust. Now, manifesting misanthropy in the resurrected jacobinism of culture form marxism and cynical, willfully tendentious rewriting and reframing history to vilify the legacy that provides buttresses to constitutional democracy, in order to advance lawless ideological oligarchy. After all, it is the BATNA of lawfulness that restrains that reversion to the historic norm of lawless power in control, tyranny. And as lawless ideology cannot reason and show cause as to reliability of that reasoning (especially on morally freighted matters tied to justice . . . the pivotal first duty of government), it is no wonder that we see confession by projection to the despised other. Hence, for example, willful perversion of thought regarding identity, sexuality, family, child nurture, education. To advance irrational perversity, cynical hyperskepticism must be pushed against historic buttresses, family, marriage, church, core legacy of civilisation-rooted history and education. And indeed those exact sentiments are in the 1848 Communist manifesto and run like a thread down to today's op-eds, textbooks, media presentations, so-called news, court rulings and decrees under colour of law and policy. For cause, there is therefore no confidence in the claims regarding justice, rights, equality, policy, law, onward steering of the ship of state. Until you can show cause that you do due diligence to first duties, with faculties shown to be reliably directed at warranting truth, we can freely dismiss your claims of progress as little more than rhetoric to seize the helm and set out on a voyage of looting and folly on the ship of state. You declared and launched on 4th gen civilisational civil war, you face the consequences. For those whose worldviews of evolutionary materialistic scientism and the like [the fellow traveller ideologies] it is worse, you have no right to claim reliability of mind, you are left to the chaos and folly of grand delusion while you loot the intellectual heritage of civilisation. So, there is no reason to have confidence in your opinions, assertions, demands, claimed intent to lead progress and right historic injustices. The track record of Cretanism is clear: decadence, perversity, addiction, en-darken-ment of mind and heart under false colours of enlightenment and progress, leading to ruin. That of Jacobinism and radical revolution is worse, as 100 million ghosts remind us. So, we reckon the bankrupt rhetoric of progress as what it is, speaking in disregard to the truth and duty, in intent of profiting from what is said or suggested being regarded as true, right, just. Manipulation driven by folly and intellectual bankruptcy that can provide no warrant to truth, rights and justice claims, beyond might and cynical manipulation. Of course, the likes of those showing up here are unlikely to be instigators or chief agit prop operatives, but the core issues are the same. Intellectual and moral bankruptcy of Cretanism and Jacobinism are duly noted. Policies in defiance of sound civilisation and lawfulness are duly noted for what they are. There is no reason to cede credibility or power to such. The distractions and side tracks above have no fundamental credibility as responsibly warranted and should be regarded as the policies of the misanthropic, perverse and anti-civilisational. We would be ill advised indeed to grant them any benefits of the doubt. So, put up cause to take opinions seriously as responsibly, reliably warranted and so trustworthy rather than fallacious and ruinously manipulative, or fail as utterly irrational and misanthropically anticivilisational _______ Prediction, no warrant will be forthcoming, just more distractions and hobby horse riding. I dare you to show me wrong _________ It is time to turn from a voyage of civilisational folly to reform and rebuild on soundness starting from self evident first duties. KF PS: Seversky, you continue the internet atheist anti-Bible rants. Polygamy and Concubinage are forms of warped culture that are too deeply entrenched in hard hearts to directly over-rule, but are left to gradual reform. So, we see in the OT, portrayal of the history of impact on family of substandard structures and cultural systems, starting with patriarchs. Kings are forbidden to multiply wives in the Constitution of Israelo and church leaders too.kairosfocus
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General thoughts: Re the original post, as an engineer my knee-jerk response to the difference between knowledge and justified true belief is Popperian - a recourse to validation and attempted falsification. I may have a JTB that team A beat team B, but a quick call to confirm the outcome turns JTB to knowledge (or not). Re polygamy and the Bible. There was no need to "explicitly" condemn polygamy, because heterosexual monogamy was "explicitly" (and repeatedly) declared the only God-approved form of marriage (A, not-A). Not to mention all of the "explicit" examples of how polygamy caused nothing but trouble (see, e.g., Abraham, David, Solomon, etc.). As with so many things, it was also a decent example of how wealth causes more moral problems than it solves (see also modern society). So, Sev, whaddya say - "If God [requires monogamy], thereby [closing] the door to alternatives to the nuclear family, then who are we to say otherwise?" Re arranged marriages: IMHO, the difference is not in arranged v. romantic marriage, but in the underlying mindset. Cultures that promote arranged marriage approach it as a true contract - an understanding that this is a "one-and-done" deal that is done for traditional purposes - have children, provide, protect, nourish, support, work, suffer, die, etc. (realistically, an arranged marriage is much more deserving of the "traditional" label than what people think of marriage today). If your expectation for marriage is tied to self-interest and the requirement that you always "love" your partner, it is not surprising those marriages have a high divorce rate. What we should be "fighting" to replace is the modern nonsensical view of marriage as two people getting their desires met by their partner, with the traditional view of marriage as two people living up to a moral obligation to meet their partner's needs and the needs of their progeny. Re religious belief v. the Law: people who honestly believe their religious beliefs have two moral obligations - to live up to those beliefs even if the law disagrees, and to accept the consequences imposed by the law if religion conflicts with the law (see, e.g., MLK's civil disobedience, the lives of the apostles, early Christians, abolitionists, etc.), with an eye towards convincing society that there is a moral obligation to change the law.drc466
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Divorce rates amongst arranged marriages is only 4% as compared to 40+% for traditional marriages. Since the importance of the nuclear family is one of the main arguments against SSM, shouldn’t we be fighting to replace traditional marriage with arranged marriage?paige
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Concerning the nuclear family...
The question of polygamy is an interesting one in that most people today view polygamy as immoral while the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns it. The first instance of polygamy/bigamy in the Bible was that of Lamech in Genesis 4:19: “Lamech married two women.” Several prominent men in the Old Testament were polygamists. Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others all had multiple wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (essentially wives of a lower status), according to 1 Kings 11:3. What are we to do with these instances of polygamy in the Old Testament?
If God tolerates polygamy, thereby opening the door to alternatives to the nuclear family, then who are we to say otherwise? If people choose of their own free will to form nuclear families, the existence of alternatives does not prevent that, any more than same-sex marriages somehow prevent heterosexual marriages.Seversky
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None taken.paige
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