This issue is directly relevant to the ID controversy, but also to much more of what has gone wrong with our civilisation and the utter, stark peril we now face because we ignored warning signs for decades:
This has to be decoded a bit, as it is of course in the usual context of our being concerned over sawdust in the other fellow’s eyes while there is a plank in our own. In an overnight comment, I gave a few clues:
In de pits with sawdust flying [HT: oz cedar dot com]>> –> Ask yourself, are ALL the moneybags on one side? (E.g. Koch vs Soros. [And no, I am not endorsing or opposing any parties or individuals, I am pointing out balancing facts given the known tendencies of pundits to give half of the story.])
–> Ask yourself, what have the education unions, media houses etc done about straight civics [CSPAN aside] for decades?
–> Ask yourself, about trends of affiliation and agendas in the education and media sectors?
–> Ask yourself, what the churches and their leaders have been doing in recent decades?
–> Include in that, how we have responded when voices such as Francis Schaeffer have come to us?
–> Ask yourself, about what has been dressed up in lab coats and sold to us as science (as in, only an IDiot questions “science”)?
We must move on from being unaware, compliant, readily manipulated through agit prop talking points (that have been duly scripted courtesy demographically tested focus groups and other marketing techniques).
What should we do?
Start with:
With a modicum of sound knowledge of history, ethics, civics, common sound sense and first principles of reasoning — multiplied by a cool head not given to being celebrity-/star- struck — we can find a way out.
(Cf here for my more detailed thoughts; of course Big Brother, not endorsed by UD etc.)
It’s time for a Lemmings for common sense movement!
Right from the horse’s mouth, we are being told that we have been manipulated, including educationally. (And if you think that only happened with civics, I have some hot Caribbean beach-front property in Montana for sale, cheap, cheap, cheap.)
Let us now re-think ever so much of what we think we know and understand, lest we follow a march of civilisational folly to ruin. Including, what we think we know regarding origins science and the intelligent design controversy. END
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Eugen @ 22
Sophia has a word for that kind of laughter, too:
http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/7-6.htm
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Pindi is a lost soul, an utter fool being led by other fools. But the fact that he comes here regularly tells me that he is searching for truth, even if only subconsciously.
Keep coming, poor wretched creature. Maybe Kairosfocus and bornagain77 will be able to reach you one day.
john-a-designer @ 23: I share your frustration, but these people come here for reasons they don't even understand. They plan it for evil, but it only turns for the good. Even now, you and I are bonding more closely...thanks to a fool like Pindi.
Eugen @ 22: Let him laugh. Fools have always laughed at and mocked the truth. Nothing new here.Truth Will Set You Free
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Indeed, I don’t see the point of enabling trolls like Pindi. It seems to me he is here simply to make fun of his fellow primates. Couldn’t he have more fun visiting his local zoo and making fun of the monkeys? On second thought, he probably thinks that would be politically incorrect.
My point is that trolls just want to drag people down to their level of irrationality. They have nothing else to offer. They do not care about engaging in honest dialogue or debate nor anything having anything to do with the truth. Trying to reason with them is going to get you nowhere. For them it’s just a fun little game.john_a_designer
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Kairos @17
Pindi will just laugh and dismiss #17. Wisdom is not atheist's forte.Eugen
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Kairosfocus (everywhere): Very impressive! Thank you.
bornagain77 @ 20: Thank you as well. I needed that quote this morning. Reminds me of a well-known story about G.K. Chesterton. When a newspaper posed the question, ‘What’s Wrong with the World?’ G. K. Chesterton wrote a brief letter in response:
Dear Sirs:
I am.
Sincerely Yours,
G. K. Chesterton.Truth Will Set You Free
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My Dear Wormwood, Be sure that the patient remains completely fixated on politics. Arguments, political gossip, and obsessing on the faults of people they have never met serves as an excellent distraction from advancing in personal virtue, character, and the things the patient can control. Make sure to keep the patient in a constant state of angst, frustration, and general disdain towards the rest of the human race in order to avoid any kind of charity or inner peace from further developing. Ensure that the patient continues to believe that the problem is "out there" in the "broken system" rather than recognizing there is a problem with himself.
Keep up the good work,
Uncle Screwtape.
From "The Screwtape Letters" C.S. Lewis - 1942
bornagain77
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JAD, yes, we have acted foolishly and are facing consequences. Please see how I just responded to Pindi, as an example of what I think we need to reflect on. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: Some more from the horse's mouth, in the words of Richard Lewontin:
. . . to put a correct view of the universe into people's heads [==> as in, "we" have cornered the market on truth, warrant and knowledge] we must first get an incorrect view out [--> as in, if you disagree with "us" of the secularist elite you are wrong, irrational and so dangerous you must be stopped, even at the price of manipulative indoctrination of hoi polloi] . . . the problem is to get them [= hoi polloi] to reject irrational and supernatural explanations of the world, the demons that exist only in their imaginations,
[ --> as in, to think in terms of ethical theism is to be delusional, justifying "our" elitist and establishment-controlling interventions of power to "fix" the widespread mental disease]
and to accept a social and intellectual apparatus, Science, as the only begetter of truth
[--> NB: this is a knowledge claim about knowledge and its possible sources, i.e. it is a claim in philosophy not science; it is thus self-refuting]
. . . . To Sagan, as to all but a few other scientists [--> "we" are the dominant elites], it is self-evident
[--> actually, science and its knowledge claims are plainly not immediately and necessarily true on pain of absurdity, to one who understands them; this is another logical error, begging the question , confused for real self-evidence; whereby a claim shows itself not just true but true on pain of patent absurdity if one tries to deny it . . . and in fact it is evolutionary materialism that is readily shown to be self-refuting]
that the practices of science provide the surest method of putting us in contact with physical reality [--> = all of reality to the evolutionary materialist], and that, in contrast, the demon-haunted world rests on a set of beliefs and behaviors that fail every reasonable test [--> i.e. an assertion that tellingly reveals a hostile mindset, not a warranted claim] . . . .
It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us [= the evo-mat establishment] to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes [--> another major begging of the question . . . ] to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute [--> i.e. here we see the fallacious, indoctrinated, ideological, closed mind . . . ], for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door . . . [--> irreconcilable hostility to ethical theism, already caricatured as believing delusionally in imaginary demons]. [Lewontin, Billions and billions of Demons, NYRB Jan 1997,cf. here. And, if you imagine this is "quote-mined" I invite you to read the fuller annotated citation here.]
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Pindi,
Over the course of many threads of discussion over the years, it has been obvious for a long time now, that a key front of operations regarding origins science as a key facet of how we understand ourselves in our world is not a simple matter of scientific issues. Instead, worldview level ideological commitments are key, and so matters of philosophy, issues, agendas, manipulation of institutions creating the fallacy of the closed and hostile mind are pivotal.
Where, at the head of this thread, we have a telling current admission against interest, per Wikileaks.
If you look above, you will see that it is you who traipsed in to sneer at a discussion of a smoking gun document that reveals the depth and degree to which the education system and the media have been corrupted by agendas over the past generation. Here, leading to a breakdown of governance.
Perhaps you do not know much sound history, or geostrategic considerations. Perhaps, issues of philosophy and worldviews analysis do not seem relevant in an era robbed of such exposure in education. But, logic, ethics, epistemology, core nature of the world and its contents, etc are in fact key to all studies, including science and mathematics. If we go wrong here, we go dangerously wrong everywhere.
We may not be interested in these things, but today, they are interested in us. In short, a march of ruinous folly on the scale of a civilisation is reaching the point where consequences are starting to happen, thick and fast.
Now, in sneering at alleged apocalyptic fantasies, you revealed your attitude, in the face of evident facts. It was appropriate to cite a well known philosopher from 3,000 years ago, Solomon. He personified wisdom as Sophia (where at root philosophy is Philo + Sophia, the love of wisdom), and put her on the street corner, crying out to passersby who are stubbornly insistent on marches of folly:
Prov 1:20
Wisdom cries aloud in the street,
in the markets she raises her voice;
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at the head of the noisy streets she cries out;
at the entrance of the city gates she speaks:
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“How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple?
How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing
and fools hate knowledge?
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If you turn at my reproof,[a]
behold, I will pour out my spirit to you;
I will make my words known to you.
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Because I have called and you refused to listen,
have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded,
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because you have ignored all my counsel
and would have none of my reproof,
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I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when terror strikes you,
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when terror strikes you like a storm
and your calamity comes like a whirlwind,
when distress and anguish come upon you.
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Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer;
they will seek me diligently but will not find me.
In short, there is such a thing as a willfully stubborn, determined march of folly driven by lack of understanding and superficiality, which across time has terrible consequences. beyond a certain point, you go over the cliff, and it is then too late to cry out for wisdom, cf the chart of business as usual vs sustainable paths in the OP above.
Notice, that yes, I cite Machiavelli at its foot (a man with a reputation worse than the actual Devil's reputation), a cite taught to me by my father who was a high state official at the time. One fighting a lonely and brave losing fight against a march of folly.
That folly has cost my homeland a generation of development already, the first of the two my father predicted.
To fall over the cliff and break a community's back is easy; what is then a long, hard struggle, is to recover. The same obtains for a civilisation. Rome ruined itself and fell; it took what, a thousand years for something worth having to claw its way up out of the ashes. Something, BTW, which was profoundly and in significant part shaped by the Christian faith you so viscerally despise.
One of the legacies of that, was the lesson that print, widespread literacy, sound public opinion and more backed by a worldview that sustains a strong ethical system are key stabilisers to that attractive but dangerously unstable approach to governance, democracy. Hence BTW several remarks to that effect by US framers and founders. The USA is where the experiment first succeeded to unquestionable degree. No wonder, it was the main target of those who would undermine the heritage they despise.
The cultured despisers of the scripturally based, Judaeo-Christian heritage have largely won in our time, and the fruit of their generations of work to subvert the American experiment are coming to ripeness. The horrible smell that pervades our civilisation is telling us that the fruit is bad, not good. (And BTW, when you twist the OT into a narrative of genocide and oppression, you are implicitly attacking Judaism and Jews, not just Christians . . . and this itself reveals that something is utterly wrong with the cultural marxism influenced, village atheist on steroids litany of sins of Christendom narrative . . . )
This was warned against, but was scoffed at, dismissed and marginalised.
Well, mocked Sophia -- the echo of Boethius meeting his former mentor, Sophia in tattered clothing but in fine fettle as he awaited execution at the hands of unjust machinations in a barbarian court practically jumps out at us [read, The Consolation of Philospohy] -- now has something to say to our civilisation, from 3000 years ago.
Our job in the meanwhile, is college of Adullam's cave, to stand together as the despised, deplored, denigrated, marginalised and dismissed and build a place of refuge and recovery. From which greatness can come forth as a David generation of leadership to the rescue of a civilisation gone horribly wrong at the hands of a Saul generation. And yes, I am citing the history of Israel from 3000 years ago as a key exemplar in our time.
Solomon, in his Proverbs, drew up the lessons from that recovery and passed them on to all times, as a collection of gems of wisdom.
Right in the middle of the scriptures that our oh so sophisticated atheistical elites would banish from education. But in fact, we know or should know that the third leg of the roots of our civilisation lie in the Judaeo-Christian heritage, not just that of Athens and Rome.
The wisdom literature, FYI, is a corpus of pivotal philosophy with ethical insights, and it explicitly begins with worldview roots issues. A corpus, that we have arrogantly slandered and banned from our studies of philosophy, by and large, no prizes for guessing why.
Oh, it's "religion" you sneer.
No, it is ethical theism as a worldview, with a rich tradition deeply anchored to now largely forgotten cautionary history that we would do well to listen to.
Let me cite Solomon again, here, from the opening words of the book of Proverbs:
Prov 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel:
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to understand words of insight,
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to receive instruction in wise dealing,
in righteousness, justice, and equity;
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to give prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the youth—
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Let the wise hear and increase in learning,
and the one who understands obtain guidance,
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to understand a proverb and a saying,
the words of the wise and their riddles.
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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
fools despise wisdom and instruction.
A thousand years later, a tent-making rabbi (the brightest student of Gamaliel) who came from the Jewish diaspora and had both Hebrew and Greek education with Roman citizenship, had become a Christian missionary to the nations . . . and a pivotal but today too often unacknowledged founder and framer of our civilisation . . . challenged the pagan philosophers in Athens, perhaps at Mars Hill, more likely in the neighbouring market place (the echo of Sophia is ever so clear):
Paul in Athens
Ac 17:16 Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. 17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there. 18 Some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers also conversed with him. And some said, “What does this babbler wish to say?” Others said, “He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities”—because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. 19 And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20 For you bring some strange things to our ears. We wish to know therefore what these things mean.” 21 Now all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there would spend their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new.
Paul Addresses the Areopagus
22 So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,[c] 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for
“‘In him we live and move and have our being’;[d]
as even some of your own poets have said,
“‘For we are indeed his offspring.’[e]
29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
32 Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.” 33 So Paul went out from their midst. 34 But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.
(I have analysed this encounter here, and have then elaborated its import onward, leading up to the David generation challenge facing us in our time.)
If we look at a map today, we will see the long term result in the facts on the ground. The street by Mars Hill is holy apostle street, and at tat point it becomes Dionysius the Areopagite street. In short, the bankrupt philosophers and politicians of c AD 50 did not carry the day, never mind their sneering. Their descendants have honoured the Areopagite who led the change in this way, and he is known today as the patron saint of Athens.
A lesson for us in our time.
Now, you make a great show of concern to discuss science.
But in fact, over the years, we have found that consistently, we are not really dealing with science in discussion origins. Instead, we have found that we are dealing with an entrenched ideological elite, comitted to evolutionary materialistic scientism which is used to warp and redefine science as atheism in the lab coat. When inconvenient facts of science have spoken, those who have dared to speak such have been predictably ostracised.
So, while we do in fact continue to address science and linked issues in mathematics etc (including right now the exchange on infinity as a claimed past that goes on in a parallel active thread . . . where you are conspicuously absent) we have found that we have to address as well the worldview and cultural agenda issues, or we will not deal with the range of material factors at work.
It is not for nothing that the book of songs largely composed by Solomon's father, David -- who led the renewal of Israel 3000 years ago -- has as preface, a Psalm that reads as follows:
Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man[a]
who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
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but his delight is in the law[b] of the Lord,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
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planted by streams of water
that yields its fruit in its season,
and its leaf does not wither.
In all that he does, he prospers.
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The wicked are not so,
but are like chaff that the wind drives away.
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Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous;
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for the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.
We would do well to heed this counsel in our time.
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Our culture here in the U.S. is in decline because there is a lack of leadership both on the political side and the spiritual/religious side.
One of the things that depresses me the most is the flat footed, inept response from so-called Christian “leaders.” I am not alone. Back in 2015, for example, Fox News commentator Bill O' Reilly “expressed frustration over the lack of unified action among religious leaders to defend the tenets of the Christian faith, which have received strong blows amid growing support for same sex marriage and ongoing debates about the religious freedom restoration act.”
"It is very rare, [he said,] to see any high ranking Catholic cleric defending the faithful publicly. Protestants are a little bit better, but organised efforts to defend the Christian faith are rare.
Therefore, the anti-religion people have a free fire zone to attack at will."
He continued: "There isn't an organised attempt as there is in the gay lobby, abortion women's reproductive rights lobby. You don't have anything on the Christian side."
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/bill.oreilly.and.ann.coulter.call.out.christian.leaders.for.lack.of.action.against.attacks.on.christian.faith/51981.htm
While there have been some modest gains on the pro-life side, those have been long time coming… It’s honestly too little, too late. I think challenges from SSM are much more serious. No Christian doctor that I know of in this country (the U.S.) has ever been forced against their will to perform an abortion. However, there have been several people who have been fined, fired and driven out of business because of their opposition to same sex marriage, even before the recent 2015 SCOTUS decision which “legalized” it.
The other side is winning because Christians, and other supporters of traditional values, have been out organized, out spent, out maneuvered and out snookered. Pep talks and pious platitudes are not sufficient responses. We need bold and decisive action and that requires bold and decisive leadership. Who at present is providing that kind of leadership? Name me some names… a name. I can’t think of anyone-- at least any religious leader(s) with national prominence. And I am not talking about being well known. We have more than enough celebrities. I am talking about leaders who understand the challenges and have a plan of action to really do something.
Christianity was founded as an activist religion. Read the Gospel of Matthew. What was the first the very thing that Jesus said to His disciples? What was the very last thing? Now read what he taught (trained) his disciples to do in between. Do you see the plan? Do you see the mission? Why aren’t Christians today seeing the mission? And don’t tell me that they are. If they were we would be the ones winning the so-called culture war. We’re not. That should be obvious.john_a_designer
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Pindi @6:
"It’s the apocalypse! "
What did you mean by that?Dionisio
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TWSYF - I very rarely read anything here any more because its all this type of content now. UD seems to have given up all pretence of being even vaguely scientific and has become a religious echo chamber from what I can see.Pindi
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DfO, it amazes me that so many of the citizens of the leading power have little knowledge of or inclination to attend to geostrategic issues; surely, to be aware of potentially very serious consequences should be part of the voter's duty of becoming well informed. As to who are what, I suggest, UD is not a proper venue for specifics as you just said (per issues of 501c3, I gather). Further to such, I would suggest as a matter of general argument that such a strong assertion should only be given with at the least links to substantiating details, at the minimum an article of some substance in a reasonably credible source. Otherwise, it will seem to be angry shouting with no substance. KFkairosfocus
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Kairosfocus @ 8: Agreed about the red rectangle and yellow triangle where world war is a mere tipping point from happening. The uninformed (and ill informed) masses have no will to stop what is coming. They have no sense of history and no desire to learn.Truth Will Set You Free
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Pindi (et al)
In case you think my marked up map is irrelevant, let me clip Gorby's warning as linked in the OP:
Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev warned on Monday that the world has reached a "dangerous point" as tensions between Russia and the United States spike over the Syria conflict. . . . .
"I think the world has reached a dangerous point," Gorbachev, 85, told state news agency RIA Novosti.
"I don't want to give any concrete prescriptions but I do want to say that this needs to stop. We need to renew dialogue. Stopping it was the biggest mistake." . . . .
"It is necessary to return to the main priorities. These are nuclear disarmament, the fight against terrorism, the prevention of an environmental disaster," he said.
"Compared to these challenges, all the rest slips into the background."
Scroll back up and ask yourself about what is up in that red rectangle and that yellow triangle.
I hope you have enough awareness that you will have a nightmare about it tonight.
Maybe, that will help wake you up.
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I admire your attempts to reach the poor fool, Kairosfocus, but I think it is pearls before swine with that one.Truth Will Set You Free
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Pindi,
no it's the stubbornly complacent all too predictably walking off the cliff.
In a context, where those who need it from the horse's mouth here have it in black and white. Just take time to actually read, decode from the usual turnabout projections, and reflect.
On foolish complacency, here is Solomon's Sophia, wisdom personified:
Prov 1: " . . . 29 Because they hated knowledge
and did not choose the fear of the Lord,
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would have none of my counsel
and despised all my reproof,
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therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way,
and have their fill of their own devices.
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For the simple are killed by their turning away,
and the complacency of fools destroys them;
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but whoever listens to me will dwell secure
and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.”
As for repentance, glad you asked:
Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead. (With 500+ witnesses.)
Sophia has spoken.
KFkairosfocus
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Pindi @ 6: Not sure if it is the apocalypse, but it is definitely another atheistic march toward grand scale atrocity. Read the book Atrocities by Matthew White to learn more about your atheistic kind. Would be funny if you fools were not so dangerous.
Keep visiting and reading our posts/comments by the way. Maybe someone like bornagain77 or Kairosfocus will reach you one day. I myself am not so optimistic (or gracious). I think you are hopelessly stupid.Truth Will Set You Free
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It's the apocalypse! Repent!Pindi
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TWSYF, I wish we realised that we are (again) playing with fire geostrategically, liable to be nuke fire too. For some of why, look at the red rectangle and the yellow triangle at the pivot area above. KFkairosfocus
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Excellent post. We are living through several major events at the same time, including:
1. Technological revolution that is redefining humanity in ways never imagined.
2. Cultural collapse and implosion of western civilization.
3. Build-up toward world war that will dwarf all previous wars in number of deaths and individual atrocities.
The first two are well-known. The third is relatively hidden from the masses.Truth Will Set You Free
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Great article. There's so much mind control going on it's scary. Nations are divided over made up issues while serious damage is happening in the background. I cannot think of easy solution to this.Eugen
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Folks, I am going to suggest: link, reblog, copy-paste and email, pass the link on, spread through social media. And more. This one is far too deadly serious to treat as ho hum. Yes, we need to have a very serious conversation here at UD too. KF
PS: As one start point, I find that an astonishing number of people have been led to imagine Jesus of Nazareth is not credibly a figure of real C1 history (never mind that his dates are literally the pivot of our calendar) How could so many come to such a notion? (Cf. here: http://nicenesystheol.blogspot.com/2010/11/unit-1-biblical-foundations-of-and-core.html#u1_grnds )kairosfocus
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05:19 AM
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05
19
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Folks, Smoking gun inadvertent confession. From the horse's mouth, we have been manipulated to make us "an unaware and compliant citizenry," starting with our education. And if you think that is just about civics, think again. With that sort of damaging admission on the table, this cannot be dismissed as tinfoil hat conspiracist paranoia anymore . . . the time for dismissive talking points is over. We now have to rethink from the roots -- origins of the world -- up. Including of course the ID controversy. KFkairosfocus
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