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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
Clearly you didn't read the papers I referenced. Your willful ignorance is not a refutation.ET
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Yes? Your claim was “If people would just eat healthy, maintain a vitamin D concentration of 40 ng/mL, they would survive the virus.” Nothing you posted supports that. Eating healthy and having adequate D are fine things and certainly help. But they are not the utter cure you claimed.Retired Physicist
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RP?ET
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Yes, KF, it should be mandatory for people to get outside to get 30 minutes of sun over as much of their body as the law allows. :cool:ET
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RH7, 220: This jumps out:
HCQ was found to be ineffective in hospitalised Covid-19 patients
After all that has been pointed out, umpteen times, that alone should serve to underscore Jerry's point in 221:
Again RHampton presents irrelevant information as if it is important. He has been told several times why his information is useless. He is just proving that the origins for his stories do not know anything about the issues.
This problem, of failing the stitch in time test is also responsible for many of the seeming failures of testing. There is a U, and if you are too far down the falling arm, too much damage has been done for HCQ cocktails to help. Though, Ivermectin may be stretching that a bit. Notice, the Raoult CT scans show how early lung damage has already set in. Serious rethinking is needed but if you imagine you are right, that will not happen. Unfortunately, such blunders have been baked into policies. KFkairosfocus
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ET, the vit D issue raises, why lock people indoors? Go outside! KFkairosfocus
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Sweden’s hopes of getting help from herd immunity in combating the coronavirus received a fresh blow on Thursday when the entire herd died. In other news...
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau says there won’t be any furthering easing of coronavirus restrictions until a recent spike in infections goes back down. There is no doubt that we need to stop the disease,” Netanyahu says at a ceremony to install a new director-general at the Health Ministry. “The disease is coming back and we have, for the time being, finished with opening up more of the economy.” Netanyahu says there will be semi-lockdowns enforced on areas that have high infection rates. “There is no choice, we need to change the public’s habits and if it doesn’t help we will take more aggressive measures,” he warns. “We will do everything needed to halt the continued spread of the disease — as we did at the start.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-18-2020/rhampton7
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Sweden's hopes of getting help from herd immunity in combating the coronavirus received a fresh blow on Thursday when a new study showed fewer than anticipated had developed antibodies. the study, the most comprehensive in Sweden yet, showed only around 6.1 percent of Swedes had developed antibodies, well below levels deemed enough to achieve even partial herd immunity. "The spread is lower than we have thought but not a lot lower," Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told a news conference, adding that the virus spread in clusters and was not behaving like prior diseases. We have different levels of immunity on different parts of the population at this stage, from 4 to 5 percent to 20 to 25 percent," he said. Tegnell told UK-based daily Financial Times in April that Sweden expects 40 percent of people in the capital Stockholm to be immune to Covid-19 by the end of May. https://www.trtworld.com/europe/sweden-s-hopes-for-herd-immunity-in-covid-19-fight-diminish-37399rhampton7
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IThis article is interesting. It mentions vitamin D and zinc as essential elements for a strong immune system: Nutritional recommendations for CoVID-19 quarantine:
Vitamin D deficiency in winter has been reported to be associated to viral epidemics. Indeed, adequate vitamin D status reduces the risk of developing several chronic diseases such as cancers, cardiovascular disease, diabetes mellitus, and hypertension that significantly higher risk of death from respiratory tract infections than otherwise healthy individuals [10]. Further, vitamin D protects respiratory tract preserving tight junctions, killing enveloped viruses through induction of cathelicidin and defensins, and decreasing production of proinflammatory cytokines by the innate immune system, therefore reducing the risk of a cytokine storm leading to pneumonia. Since the time spent outdoor and consequently the sun exposure is limited, it is encouraged to get more vitamin D from diet.
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Another essential trace element that is crucial for the maintenance of immune function is zinc. It has been reported that zinc inhibited severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp) template binding and elongation in Vero-E6 cells [11].
It must suck being easily refuted by people you think are beneath you, eh, RP?ET
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Oklahoma cases of COVID-19 rose by 450 on Thursday, blowing past the record 259 daily cases reported on Wednesday, as the surge of infections continued ahead of a massive rally for President Donald Trump and demonstrations set for this weekend in Tulsa. The surge in COVID-19 cases in Oklahoma is being driven largely by increases among younger people, according to state Health Department figures that show 54% of the new cases in the past two weeks were people 35 and younger. Meanwhile, hospitalizations topped 200 for the first time since May 20, rising to 211, according to information released Thursday evening. The surge in cases comes as tens of thousands of people plan to gather in Tulsa this weekend for Juneteenth activities, Trump’s re-election rally and demonstrations connected to the rally. Public health officials have cautioned that participants risk infection or spreading the disease. The Trump campaign announced that it would take temperatures at the door and distribute masks and hand sanitizer, though people won’t have to wear the masks. https://oklahoman.com/article/5664934/new-covid-19-cases-blow-past-previous-record-hospitalizations-riserhampton7
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Now what, RP?
Must be a conspiracy! Everyone knows Vitamin D is useless. RP is on record that zinc is useless too. By the way the two doctors and the nurse I linked to all said HCQ and zinc works and should be given early. However the great real scientists RHampton continually links to never heard of the effective strategy to beat the virus early.jerry
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Strange that I provided medical papers that support the claim that vitamin D can definitely help beat this virus: Raising vitamin D blood concentrations above 40ng/mL seems to be highly recommended. It, alone, most likely would have saved thousands of people: Ilie PC, et al. “The role of vitamin D in the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 infection and mortality.” Aging Clin Exp Res. 2020;1:4. Grant WB, et al. “Evidence that vitamin D supplementation could reduce risk of influenza and COVID-19 infections and deaths.” Nutrients. 2020;12(4):E988. Now what, RP?ET
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Again RHampton presents irrelevant information as if it is important. He has been told several times why his information is useless. He is just proving that the origins for his stories do not know anything about the issues.jerry
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Twenty-two trial sites in India will stop the hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) arm of the Solidarity Trial to find an effective Covid-19 treatment following the WHO’s announcement that the drug was futile in reducing mortality in hospitalized coronavirus patients. “The results confirm with high a degree of confidence that hydroxychloroquine is not effective at reducing mortality in hospitalised Covid-19 patients,” the executive group of the steering committee of the Solidarity Trial, chaired by John-Arne Røttingen, has said. Dr Srinath Reddy, of the executive group, along with WHO chief scientist Dr Soumya Swaminathan, are among the members. Dr Reddy told The Indian Express that an amended protocol would be circulated soon. Dr Samiran Panda, director of NARI, also said HCQ was found to be ineffective in hospitalised Covid-19 patients but since it was an adaptive trial there is an opportunity to contribute to other key public health questions that have not yet been reliably answered. “We have issued instructions about stopping the HCQ arm of the trial to coordinators at trial sites. However, the decision to continue HCQ for patients who have been started on it can be taken by the supervising physician,” Dr Godbole explained. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/after-who-move-22-trial-sites-in-india-to-stop-hcq-research-6465702/ India accounts for 70 per cent of global production of hydroxychloroquinerhampton7
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Texas 3,357 California 3.787
You should work for Lancet. You can cherry pick with the best. See
Deaths Texas 2142 California 5362 Canada 8300
Now Canada is doing pretty good. And Texas has just opened up the state and is a lot more dense. Over 40% of the deaths in Texas are in the 3 counties for Dallas, Houston and Ft. Worth. No one favoring lockdowns has ever talked about the cost in lives that it has caused.jerry
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Canada had 358 new cases today. All else being equal, based on population size, the US should have had approximately 3,580 new cases. They had 27,924. But it was pointed out to me that it would be more appropriate to compare Canada numbers to similar sized states. Texas 3,357 California 3.787 So, the US as a whole had almost 8 times more new cases than Canada on a per capita basis. Texas and California, which have comparable populations to Canada, had ten times more new cases.Ed George
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Two doctors talk about the corruption involved in controlling the virus. One a cardiologist from California and one an emergency doctor from New York. https://bit.ly/3dfweB9 The MedCram doctor recently reviewed the effect of Vitamin D on C19. Those interested should look at Update 82 and Update 83. One would have to be a fool not to ensure their Vitamin D levels are high.
And I’m sure they also have a strangely high number of deaths they’re recording as pneumonia.
Must be a conspiracy. Those interested should watch the video I linked to above with the nurse in New York City who observed a horror show of how people were treated there and saw patient records falsified. She must be a conspiracy theory nut. https://bit.ly/37RGy1b Check out 38 min for about 5 minutes to see what she saw what worked.jerry
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New cases in Texas are also skyrocketing. It opened up too early, just like Florida. And I’m sure they also have a strangely high number of deaths they’re recording as pneumonia.Retired Physicist
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I am not a doctor. Well, I’m not a physician. The idea that you’ll beat Covid with some Vitamin D....well...I did see a guy one time give people his recipe of essential oils that would beat Ebola. Both ideas are equally meritorious.Retired Physicist
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I guess congregating in the street rioting, looting and demonstrating is more important than keeping people alive. Who cares if 100 people die every day because Acartia Eddie and its ilk want to be entitled losers. If people would just eat healthy, maintain a vitamin D concentration of 40 ng/mL, they would survive the virus. But people don't seem to be able to do that. That is where natural selection comes in.ET
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RP@212, I guess being able to congregate at the beach and hang out in bars is more important than keeping people alive. Who cares if 1000 people die every day because Joe Gallien wants a beer. We all want to get back to normal but not doing it in a slow and stage manner is just stupid. Hence the inability of the US to reduce their rate of daily new cases.Ed George
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https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-florida-hospitals-run-out-icu-beds-coronavirus-cases-spike-1511934?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1592503654Retired Physicist
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Wow. The projection is killing me. I only respond to personal attacks. I only respond to lies and BS. Your polarizing lies and BS, at that. All you do is try to make things personal. My left big toe has more credibility than you do, Acartia Eddie.ET
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EG, your resort to attempted personalising and polarising simply underscores your credibility at this point: ZERO.
If personalizing and polarization is a measure of credibility then ET must be at negative infinity and beyond. :)Ed George
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He wants to be a martyr. He keeps trying to fall on his sword but he keeps missing.ET
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EG, your resort to attempted personalising and polarising simply underscores your credibility at this point: ZERO. Your failure to walk back assertions i/l/o 163 above clenches over the nails. KFkairosfocus
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As for HCQ, go tell the people that it saved that it didn't save them. Go tell the doctors that administered it that it didn't have any effect. Why are you still here? You are needed out there, convincing the masses that were spared, that it was something else. Maybe a fairy.ET
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LoL! @ Acartia Eddie- I didn't say anything about Dr. Fauci. I just made a factual statement in response to your, one, factual statement. Obviously Acartia Eddie needs to take some calming medication.ET
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The same can be said for the N95. I would say only a sealed hazmat suit would do that.
See KF. Even your poorly trained lap dog agrees that Fauci didn’t lie about the use of masks.Ed George
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