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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
From the CDC
Recommendation Regarding the Use of Cloth Face Coverings, Especially in Areas of Significant Community-Based Transmission
CDC continues to study the spread and effects of the novel coronavirus across the United States. We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (“asymptomatic”) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (“pre-symptomatic”) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms. This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms. In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission
Seversky
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@DaveS They are not. I’m hearing stories of people whose elderly relative died from “the flu”, here in June. The state government fired a woman who ran the reporting website, and she says she was fired because she wouldn’t lie about the deaths. About a month ago the state just said screw it let’s re-open, and the new cases have zoomed way up from before. We just blew past 2000 new cases per day. Some restaurants and bars that re-opened in the past few weeks have now re-closed. There’s a meat packing plant about 20 minutes away from me right now that just closed down because they got a ton of new cases.Retired Physicist
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The record number of new cases is going to drive the IFR lower than that of the flu. Vitamin D studies are very reassuring at this point.ET
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Let's hope things are going great in Florida, and elsewhere. Record numbers of new cases is not very reassuring at this point.daveS
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"Who to believe, the panic mongers or the actual numbers." Jerry, I don't believe in either one. False dilemna. I've yet to see any one talk about quality control or an audit. If one is not possible, my reaction is... "really?" Andrewasauber
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now we’re getting the highest rate of new cases since ever.
There are differing reports from other places. From Alex Berenson who wrote the new book of what is happening with C19 statistics.
Very impressive press conference Tuesday from Florida @govrondesantis , where he explained in depth why no one should panic over the state’s increase in positive tests. Notably: the median age of cases has PLUNGED, from 65 to 37. Daily deaths have trended down for months... And outside nursing homes, almost no one in Florida is dying of #Covid anymore. (Statewide, more people over 90 than under 65 have died; no one under 18 has died.) Further, the state has far fewer #Covid patients in ICUs or on ventilators than two months ago... DeSantis’s tone and command of the facts was also impressive - he seems to know about every county and hospital in the state. He was reasonable about masks too, said the state recommends them inside but won’t require them, he thinks a law “would be applied unevenly.” nd he pointed out Florida never had more than 3.5% of hospital beds occupied with #Covid patients and still has many more beds available than before March. Translation: lockdowns aren’t coming back.
So this report shows things are going great in Florida. Who to believe, the panic mongers or the actual numbers.jerry
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Quite a mystery indeed. Why would those hospitals leave all that money on the table, especially when their finances have gone into the sh****r? 🤔daveS
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And yet hospitals want doctors to report deaths via covid-19 so they get more $$$. Mystery of mysteries, indeed.ET
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The sixth graph on this page shows that all over the place pneumonia deaths are abnormally high. Mystery of mysteries. https://www.azcentral.com/in-depth/news/local/arizona-health/2020/03/20/arizona-coronavirus-map-county-county-look-covid-19-cases/2879808001/Retired Physicist
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And yet hospitals want doctors to report deaths via covid-19 so they get more $$$.ET
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Ed @ 159: some states are writing the deaths off as Pneumonia. Right now Arizona is, mysteriously, having 50% more Pneumonia deaths than normal.Retired Physicist
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F/N: Given, do no harm, I cannot endorse the laudatory tone in the clip following, which is now a reason for me to conclude that something is fundamentally ethically and epistemologically broken in the US and much of the international CV19 pandemic response: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-about-masks/ar-BB15zyW3
Dr. Fauci Made the Coronavirus Pandemic Worse by Lying About Masks Matt Novak 1 day ago Every state's most beautiful town Vera Lynn, ‘We’ll Meet Again’ singer, dies at 103 Gizmodo logo Dr. Fauci Made the Coronavirus Pandemic Worse by Lying About Masks Dr. Anthony Fauci has been hailed as a hero during the coronavirus pandemic, delivering thoughtful health advice [--> yes, but this is an intro to an issue of harmful lying] while most members of the Trump regime have spread misinformation about covid-19. [--> translation, did not adhere to the partyline of the establishment, multiplied by hostility demanding contribution to the daily two minute hate] But there’s one area where Fauci let America down [--> attempt to contain blame], hindering the public health response and giving the U.S. both the highest coronavirus case count and the worst recorded death toll in the world. [--> this ignores China's obvious deceit] Simply put, Fauci lied about whether masks were helpful in slowing the spread of the virus. Fauci was asked yesterday by financial news outlet The Street why the U.S. government didn’t promote masks early on during the pandemic. Fauci, who sits on the Trump regime’s zombie-like coronavirus task force,[--> loaded language implying discount the voice of this article, only take damaging admission against interest seriously] hinted that he knew masks worked, he just wanted any available masks to be saved for health care workers. “Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N-95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply,” Fauci said. “And we wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected.” [--> damaging admission] Fauci didn’t just fail to promote masks early on, he actively discouraged the use of masks, saying they didn’t work. Americans are now paying the price because too many people think masks are useless to combat the coronavirus. In reality, masks have been shown to help prevent the spread of covid-19, as the CDC now admits. [--> First, do no harm] All we need to do is look at the things that Fauci was saying back in February—a time before most Americans were taking the threat of covid-19 seriously and people like Donald Trump were assuming it was just a problem for the Chinese government. [--> false, the policy responses began in JANUARY] “There is no reason for anyone right now in the United States, with regard to coronavirus, to wear a mask,” Fauci told Spectrum News DC on February 14. It was something that Fauci would say repeatedly whenever he gave interviews in February, as the pandemic spread to countries like Germany, Italy, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. And Fauci may not have known it yet, but coronavirus was also spreading quickly in the U.S. By the end of February, over 20 countries had identified the coronavirus within their borders. Despite being remembered as level-headed during the early days of the crisis in the U.S., Fauci was incredibly slow to publicly recognize the threat from coronavirus. On February 17, he recalled stories of people asking whether it was safe to travel, ridiculing the idea that it might not be wise to get on a plane. But it was clear to anyone paying attention to news media outside of the U.S. that the coronavirus would soon be an international problem. [--> further admissions that should have led to a very different voice for the article and a very different evaluation of Dr F et al, each spokesperson bears individual responsibility] First, a quick lesson in recent history: Human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus was confirmed on January 21, [--> but China misled the world down to mid Feb] Chinese leader Xi Jinping said publicly that the health crisis from coronavirus “must be taken seriously,” on January 21, over 20 million people in China were put into lockdown on January 23, Disneyland locations in Hong Kong and Shanghai both closed in the last week of January, and countries like Australia were already setting up quarantine for some travelers in the first week of February. High school teachers returning to Australia from China were even giving classes by Zoom in early February, as Gizmodo reported at the time. . . .
At this point, I cannot have confidence in such officials and in the processes, views and claims they promote. Specifically, including on drugs testing and approvals, especially given other evidence and issues on the table i/l/o decision theory. If they lied about masks that could so easily have been surged rapidly, with serious consequences, they will lie about anything else they see to be advantageous. It's over. KFkairosfocus
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Sweden didn't lock down anything and were predicted to have 10,000 deaths by May 1st and 1,000,000 by June 1st. They are currently just over 5000 deaths with the highest daily number on April 21. Instead of giving in to the panic, they decided to go for heard immunity, which has worked. States that locked down, as well as entire countries, have done everything people are not supposed to do with coronaviruses. By not being around other people, constantly using hand sanitizer and the constant washing of hands, they have weakened their own immune systems. Unlike macro-evolution, the immune system is real science and we know how it works.BobRyan
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RP, would you take two five shot revolvers in a box, one with one round, the other unloaded, shuffle then pick one, spin the cylinder, put to temple and pull the trigger? KFkairosfocus
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Ahhh- Acartia Eddie, insignificant troll- wants to blame Trump for something it thinks Trump did or didn't do. How small-minded are you, Acartia Ed? The IFR keeps dropping. Blood concentration of vitamin D looks like a huge mitigating factor to how serious the infection will be. And people in the USA understand that life comes with risks.ET
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RP, I just don’t see how the US administration can see the lack of progress in reducing daily new cases as anything but a huge red flag. Especially considering that most other countries appear to be successful in this. A couple months ago Barry promised to make a public apology if, by January 2021, COVID-19 had resulted in the death of 200,000 Americans. I think most of us at that time thought that was a safe bet on his part. I don’t think even Barry thinks it was a safe bet any more.Ed George
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For my age group the deaths aren’t too serious, 9-10%, what I’m worrying about is the permanent decrease in lung function.Retired Physicist
June 17, 2020
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Here in Jacksonville everything was really declining until about a month ago when the idiot governor decided to open everything back up, now we’re getting the highest rate of new cases since ever.Retired Physicist
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Cases increase as testing increases. And the IFR is going down, every day.ET
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But the good news is that there has been a decline in number of daily deaths that is comparable to other countries.Ed George
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As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, there is great interest in studying treatment and prevention approaches for the disease.
Then they should seriously consider the vitamin D angle. Blood concentration of at least 40ng/mL per person. Then build from there. The preventive foundation trial should start with vitamin D.ET
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The US had different locals peaking at different times. So there wasn't any "the peak" to follow in the USA.ET
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Here is a site with COVID-19 new cases plotted for each country. What really stands out is that the US rate of decline following the peak is lower than almost all other countries that have gotten past the initial peak. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/may/20/coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-over-time-how-countries-compare-around-the-worldEd George
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KF, is the Cleveland Clinic’s HCT trial ethical?rhampton7
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For example: As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, there is great interest in studying treatment and prevention approaches for the disease. Cleveland Clinic is participating in a number of research projects related to COVID-19. As an international leader in biomedical research, Cleveland Clinic has formed a multidisciplinary clinical trials committee to evaluate therapies for mild to severe disease, with the goal of supporting trials that are scientifically sound and prioritizing those with the potential for significant impact on clinical care. The ORCHID Study is a blinded, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial of oral doses of hydroxychloroquine as compared to a matching placebo to treat patients hospitalized with COVID-19 illness. The multi-center study aims to determine if among adults hospitalized with COVID-19, administration of hydroxychloroquine will improve clinical outcomes at day 15. The study is being conducted by the PETAL network, which studies acute lung injury, of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2020/05/10/leading-the-way-in-innovative-research-for-covid-19-patients/rhampton7
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RH7- What they are saying is that everyone should be given everything we have, just to save as many lives as possible. Take data along the way. Then when it slows down, analyze the data, and run the appropriate tests to hopefully come up with a cure, prevention or treatment.ET
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Placebos and/or existing drug alternatives are used in RCTs with the full knowledge of the volunteers who participate in the trials. This is has been done for many decades for all manner of lethal illnesses. You ought to know that.rhampton7
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Note this RCT on a known antiviral that goes against all your objections: "Umifenovir is already being used in the treatment of influenza and also in clinical trials for Covid-19 in China and Russia. Clinical trials will be done on Covid-19 patients having mild to moderate symptoms at two government hospitals - King George's Medical University (KGMU) and Ram Manohar Lohia Institute of Medical Sciences (RMLIMS) - and a private hospital, ERA's Lucknow Medical College and Hospital," CDRI director Prof Tapas Kumar Kundu said. Stating that Umifenovir was considered for trial after screening of around 5,000 drug molecules, Prof Kundu said: “It is safe for humans as it is already in use for two decades for treatment of influenza in China and Russia. The drug can be indigenously manufactured in India hence we will not be dependent on any country. Moreover, it’s very economical as compared to other drugs being considered for Covid-19 treatment.” Prof Kundu said a series of lab tests were being conducted since March to find out effective drug molecules for Covid-19 treatment. “This drug has a good safety profile and prevents entry of the virus into human cells by priming the immune system,” he added. He said keeping in view the emergency situation, CDRI would go for a short-term clinical trial which would be about a month or so. “The next steps of the trial are being fast-tracked to ensure availability of the drug to Indian patients at the earliest. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-cdri-to-start-clinical-trials-of-umifenovir-for-covid-treatment/articleshow/76435715.cmsrhampton7
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RH7,
Placebos tell us if the treatment is actually better than standard care.
Not uniquely, that is where decision theory is relevant. What is highly relevant is that placebos are deliberately mislabelled sugar pills or the like; sugar pills being the classic case. But a placebo can go all the way up to making a surgical incision without doing the actual particular surgical intervention. As was discussed here months ago. The placebo is a no-care control. Once there is a de facto treatment for an illness with a given statistical pattern of outcomes, we have a business as usual baseline. This extends to many things and we are here dealing with some of the logic of decision theory. The BAU option leads to the expected future and generally reflects balance of power across factions at relevant decision-making and influencing levels. But there are possible alternatives that are considered as on cumulative evidence, these have some credibility. On this, those willing to go with the alternative can be given it, profiling outcomes, and identifying a plausible alternative. Gap analysis between the two can then motivate a change strategy without resort to potentially harmful and certainly deceit-driven lack of treatment under colours and solemn ceremonies of doing medicine. Placebos are reasonable when no serious risk of harm obtains. That is precisely what is not so for patients with vulnerability factors facing a fast moving deadly pandemic. Similarly placebo control testing will normally take far longer than a global wave of such a plague, so if oh Placebo control tests are not properly done yet holds back otherwise credible treatments, that carries serious implications for much wider withholding of credible treatment on evidence we could have were we willing to fairly assess it on canons of inductive logic. These parallel what Dr Raoult, the Kennedy School paper and others have counselled. KFkairosfocus
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Seriously
Yes, they were given nothing. Do you actually believe that giving them a sugar pill makes it different and then a RCT? The alternative treatment in a RCT has been done several million times and we have the results. Standard care is the same thing as taking a sugar pill. We already know this is useless. Adding a sugar pill to standard care will be useless too. We know the numbers. Unless you think there is some psychological effect with taking a pill and beating the virus. That truly would be one of the most amazing findings in medical history Actually nearly all were given acetaminophen.jerry
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