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From physician Nathaniel P. Morris at Scientific American:

Take an example of a man who walks into an emergency department, mumbling incoherently. He says he’s hearing voices in his head, but insists there’s nothing wrong with him. He hasn’t used any drugs or alcohol. If he were to be evaluated by mental health professionals, there’s a good chance he might be diagnosed with a psychotic disorder like schizophrenia.

But what if that same man were deeply religious? What if his incomprehensible language was speaking in tongues? If he could hear Jesus speaking to him? He might also insist nothing were wrong with him. After all, he’s practicing his faith.

It’s not just the ambiguities of mental health diagnoses that create this problem—the vague nature of how we define religion further complicates matters. More.

Actually it is quite easy to tell: The outcome in the person’s life. Persons who have had near-death experiences, for example, tend to focus more on relationships and less on acquisitions. While it is not possible to tell from the outside what exactly happened, a change that cannot be attributed to mental illness becomes evident. Consider the case of philosopher A. J. Ayers:

“Freddie became so much nicer after he died,” said Dee. “He was not nearly so boastful. He took an interest in other people.” Ayer also told the writer Edward St. Aubyn in France that he had had “a kind of resurrection” and for the first time in his life, he had begun to notice scenery. In France, on a mountain near his villa, he said, “I suddenly stopped and looked out at the sea and thought, my God, how beautiful this is … for 26 years I had never really looked at it before.”

What is also undeniably true — and has never been reported on — is that at the end of his life, Freddie spent more and more time with his former BBC debating opponent, the Jesuit priest and philosopher Frederick Copleston, who was at Freddie’s funeral at Golders Green crematorium.More.

See also: Templeton sets out to find the afterlife for $5 million

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Take an example of a man who walks into an emergency department, mumbling incoherently. He says he …
… does not exist. He says that his wife and children do not exist. He says that persons do not exist. He says that only fermions and bosons exist. He says that thoughts are not about anything. He says that no clump of matter is about another clump of matter.
Regardless of his mental state, he would, like so many here, be committing the fallacy of the single cause, per Wikipedia:
The fallacy of the single cause, also known as complex cause, causal oversimplification, causal reductionism, and reduction fallacy, is a fallacy of questionable cause that occurs when it is assumed that there is a single, simple cause of an outcome when in reality it may have been caused by a number of only jointly ...
Yes, at one level human beings can be described as just bags of water and chemicals or, at another level, collections of fermions and bosons. Does that mean that is all they are? No, of course not. And atheist/materialists are just as well aware of that as you are. Do we have a step-by-step a/mat account of how a human being can be built from water and chemicals? No, we don't and neither does anyone else, least of all believers. Christian creationists accept without difficulty that their God created the universe without having any knowledge - or apparently even curiosity - about how it was done at all. Perhaps it was all the work of some vast alien intelligence. That can't be ruled out. But which approach is more likely to find out which is the case?Seversky
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F/N: Since these skeptics wish to attack faith in God, especially Christian Faith, and typically in the name of evolutionary materialist scientism, I suggest they need to address three things on the merits adequately before reaching for the smear that Christians are borderline insane:
I: The self-refuting, self falsifying, inherently delusional and amoral nature of evolutionary materialism (as in, is there any "you" really there to have credibly rational and especially ethical thoughts, on your own premises?); II: The worldviews-comparative difficulties challenge (as in, every worldview must stand on its own merits in the face of the big, hard questions); and, III: The core warrant for the historic Christian Faith, anchored on 500 eyewitnesses and life transformation of millions, often positively changing the course of history -- as in, it is long since high time to move beyond one sided litanies of the real and imagined sins of Christendom and silly rhetoric about bronze age sky gods. (Don't you even know the huuuuge worldviews difference between such common-g gods and the Supreme, maximally great, necessarily good and ontologically necessary self-existing Being and root of reality of ethical theism?)
It seems, the shoe is on the other foot and the snide dismissiveness about invisible friends and hearing voices in the head backfires, bigtime. KF PS: 'Fess up, when you think to yourself, or read or the like do you or do you not hear a "still, small voice" in your head? How do you come to the conscious self-awareness to hear that voice and understand it? For that matter when the person next to you speaks, how do you believe there is an independent, morally governed, responsible, rational self behind the mouth-noises [or scratches on a bit of paper]?kairosfocus
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Those who are playing with the fire of the old Soviet strategy of corrupting psychiatry and categorising dissidents as insane (then pumping them full of mentally destructive drugs) would be wise to think again, and back off from playing with things like that.kairosfocus
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We have seen this many times before. Christians are delusional, they talk to an imaginary friend named Jesus, etc. This line of thinking is still marginalized, but if it ever becomes mainstream it could very well lead to persecution of Christians on a grand scale.Truth Will Set You Free
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Take an example of a man who walks into an emergency department, mumbling incoherently. He says he ...
... does not exist. He says that his wife and children do not exist. He says that persons do not exist. He says that only fermions and bosons exist. He says that thoughts are not about anything. He says that no clump of matter is about another clump of matter.
If he were to be evaluated by mental health professionals, there’s a good chance he might be diagnosed ...
... as ... "non-delusional"?Origenes
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In an article in "Scientific American" no less, and especially as 'a physician specializing in mental health', I think that Dr. Nathaniel P. Morris, in the interest of fairness, should have instead of just focusing on the outlier cases of mental illness among Christians, and also citing, of all people, Richard Dawkins to claim that religious belief is more or less delusional,,,
In 2006, biologist Richard Dawkins published his book The God Delusion, in which he characterizes belief in God as delusional. Dawkins cites the definition of a delusion as “a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric disorder.”
I think that Dr. Nathaniel P. Morris, in the interest of fairness, should have instead also cited the ample 'scientific' evidence showing that religious belief, as far as mental health is concerned, to be much more beneficial than non-belief is:
“, I maintain that whatever else faith may be, it cannot be a delusion. The advantageous effect of religious belief and spirituality on mental and physical health is one of the best-kept secrets in psychiatry and medicine generally. If the findings of the huge volume of research on this topic had gone in the opposite direction and it had been found that religion damages your mental health, it would have been front-page news in every newspaper in the land.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health - preface “In the majority of studies, religious involvement is correlated with well-being, happiness and life satisfaction; hope and optimism; purpose and meaning in life; higher self-esteem; better adaptation to bereavement; greater social support and less loneliness; lower rates of depression and faster recovery from depression; lower rates of suicide and fewer positive attitudes towards suicide; less anxiety; less psychosis and fewer psychotic tendencies; lower rates of alcohol and drug use and abuse; less delinquency and criminal activity; greater marital stability and satisfaction… We concluded that for the vast majority of people the apparent benefits of devout belief and practice probably outweigh the risks.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health – page 100 https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false Is Christianity Evil? (Mental Benefits of Christianity - Meta-analysis, 8:24 minute mark) - 2014 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dgESPmh-TxY#t=504 Atheism and health A meta-analysis of all studies, both published and unpublished, relating to religious involvement and longevity was carried out in 2000. Forty-two studies were included, involving some 126,000 subjects. Active religious involvement increased the chance of living longer by some 29%, and participation in public religious practices, such as church attendance, increased the chance of living longer by 43%.[4][5] http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_health
As News alluded to, there is also scientific evidence showing that 'Knowledge of the afterlife deters suicide'
Knowledge of the afterlife deters suicide. Lessons From the Light by Kenneth Ring and Evelyn Elsaesser p.257-258: As far as I know, the first clinician to make use of NDE material in this context was a New York psychologist named John McDonagh. In 1979, he presented a paper at a psychological convention that described his success with several suicidal patients using a device he called “NDE bibliotherapy.” His “technique” was actually little more than having his patients read some relevant passages from Raymond Moody’s book, Reflections on Life after Life, after which the therapist and his patient would discuss its implications for the latter’s own situation. McDonagh reports that such an approach was generally quite successful not only in reducing suicidal thoughts but also in preventing the deed altogether. … Since McDonagh’s pioneering efforts, other clinicians knowledgeable about the NDE who have had the opportunity to counsel suicidal patients have also reported similar success. Perhaps the most notable of these therapists is Bruce Greyson, a psychiatrist now at the University of Virginia, whose specialty as a clinician has been suicidology. He is also the author of a classic paper on NDEs and suicide which the specialist may wish to consult for its therapeutic implications. (14) Quite apart from the clinicians who have developed this form of what we might call “NDE-assisted therapy,” I can draw upon my own personal experience here to provide additional evidence of how the NDE has helped to deter suicide. The following case,,, http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2015/03/video-lecture-by-john-lennox-explains.html
And in the interest of alleviating depression by increasing belief in the afterlife, I reference former engineer turned Pastor John Burke's research into over a thousand NDEs, and his video series interviewing Near Death survivors about their experiences from 'the other side'
Imagine Heaven - video series Description: John Burke has researched over a thousand accounts of people who have experienced life after death and come back to share their experience, as well as interviewed several in person. He’s researched what the Bible, scholars and experts have to say on the topic. Youtube playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAx2w5l0LlY&list=PLy61gU5NWK15AZfCB_RurkltZQ_Ldm3w9
Of related interest, whereas the secularist has no empirical evidence whatsoever confirming that the infinite multiverses postulated by cosmic inflation, or the ‘extra dimensions’ postulated by string theory, are real, the Christian Theist does not suffer from such a embarrassing lack of empirical verification for his belief in a higher heavenly dimension and in a hellish dimension. Specifically, the empirical evidence validating the Christian's belief in a higher heavenly dimension, and in a hellish dimension, comes from two of our strongest, most verified, theories in science. i.e. From Special and General Relativity respectively:
Special and General Relativity compared to Heavenly and Hellish Near Death Experiences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKELVHcvSI&list=PLtAP1KN7ahia8hmDlCYEKifQ8n65oNpQ5
Verse:
John 14:2-4 In my Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go, ye know the way.
Also in the interest of fairness, I think that Dr. Nathaniel P. Morris should have also at least briefly mentioned the outlier cases of anti-Christians, mostly Muslims and Atheists, who were psychopathic mass murderers since they greatly outnumber the number of outlier Christians who have committed psychopathic mass murders
Atheism and Mass Murder http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder Young mass murderers http://www.conservapedia.com/Young_mass_murderers Here’s the TRUE Non-Politically Correct History of Islam’s Violence (believe it or not, Islam has been more violent than atheistic nations) http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/heres-the-true-non-politically-correct-history-of-islams-violence
Verse:
John 10:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
bornagain77
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