DEVELOPING NEWS: San Bernardino incident may be [lone wolf/ independent Razzia/ Assassin Cult] IslamIST terrorism

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December 3, 2015

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Here (video unlikely to embed at UD).

Live TV: http://livestream.com/accounts/9262780/events/3189705

Live radio: http://player.radio.com/listen/station/knx-1070-newsradio

U/D Dec 4, looks like we have pics of recovered weapons, looks like Semi-auto AR15s with stabilising front hand grips, low mag optical sights and two 9mm parabellum semiauto pistols:

Confirmation of explosive devices on live TV just now, that is not normal. END

PS: Links (Drudge?):

14 DEAD; 17 INJURED... Dressed in ski masks and military gear... KNBC-TV LIVE... KCAL-TV LIVE... KFI-AM LIVE... KNX-AM LIVE... AP LATEST... Active-shooter drills every month at Inland Regional Center... ISIS Extremists Celebrate Shootings With America Burning Hashtag...

PPS: The following was first observed on Sept 11 2001 on an Islamic Dawah site (subsequently vanished save in the web archives):

Notice the immediate zone, the action agenda and the after 100 years, i/l/o the Muslim Brotherhood 1982 The Project 100 year global conquest plan. (Go to p. 15 for English text.) Also, cf. the 1991 Explanatory Memo document. (English, from p. 15. Backstory on the 80 bankers boxes of documents capture here.)

Money shot clip from the MB 1991 Memo approved by the North America Arm and to have been submitted to leadership in Egypt:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

PPPS: U/D Dec 17, a tale of two school systems in the face of mass shooting attacks:

Sorry to be a bit sharpish.

Comments

KF: "a red herring is readily led away to a strawman soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere here or in the penumbra of attack sites. (Which inter alia taints a web search for the topic. That too is part of the message dominance agenda.)" When you start your comment with this nonsense, it is obvious that you do not want any serious discussion about this issue if it disagrees with you. I have mentioned several objections to your civilian marshal idea a d your response is to 1) ignore it, 2) call me names or 3) "Paris". I asked you a serious question that you studiously ignored. What do North American police, armed forces and government authorities think of your idea? I think that we both know the answer to this. Don't you think that they might be more knowledgeable than you (and I) on the issue of protecting citizens?George Edwards_{December 15, 2015
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JJ, snipped as continuation of the personalities tangents. Please. EDJack Jones_{December 15, 2015
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Brent, de facto, and in many times and places there has been a moderating tendency. This simply reflects human nature. There is even a debate in the founding corpus where the immediate followers were reluctant to go on with Mohammed's militancy and of course he has a revelation to "correct" them. The result is that there is an inherent deep tension in Islam that tends to be settled by the balance of power. Unfortunately the foundational corpus and history are on the side of pretty radical and ruthless behaviour so when radical factions seem feasible, there is a surge of radicalism and violence. And at all times, being a dhimmi is a very dangerous state. The answer is, that other states must be vigilant and should work with moderating factions to keep a reasonable degree of stability. We have to wake up and smell the reality of the day. And realise we have a long, hard fight that will be full of bad news days. But id=f we do not break the Islamist thrust and undo the blunders of the past several years, we will be facing a much stiffer fight at much longer odds. Africa below the Sahara must be held. The Maghreb must be moderated, Egypt must not be radicalised and the peace with Israel, cold though it be is in everyone's interest. Israel is legitimate and must be held. Helping Gulf states continue under Western Maritime protection as over the past 300 or so years is pivotal. India guards the other limit of Islam. Pakistan must remain stabilised as a reluctant ally, and its nuke arsenal safeguarded. The Mullahs must understand that they won't get away with their restore the Persian Empire game. My bet on this one is, in the end, waves of cruise Missiles from the Indian Ocean, backed by knocking out the AD systems from subs in the gulf, then aircraft -- perhaps over the Caspian, to finish knocking out key infrastructure. Opposition needs to be supported, where Iran is a country of diverse regions and peoples with a Persian hard core in the mountains. Eventually, there is going to have to be a regime transition. One of these days the Gulf Arabs will remember the 2600 y Persian threat and will act sensibly. It is a lot cheaper and less nightmarish than the whole region going nuke. ISIS needs to be knocked out and the Kurds probably should gain a lot of territory at their expense, becoming autonomous zones at minimum. Syria needs to be brought to the table of reality and learn that the chaos must be stopped and the hidden WMD stuff coughed up. Some Saudi princes need to receive a Hoover type visit, as in oh, enjoyed lunch, now come over by the sideboards and let's look under the drapes. What's in those folders? Look. Oh, what do you want me to do? Well, you are now officially on a leash. But then, I guess that sort of stuff sounds hard. It is a lot less hard than the alternative. We face a sticky wicket, but that is what we face. KFkairosfocus_{December 15, 2015
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KF, You laid out a lot of really good points. Hopefully people can get a better understanding of where you are coming from. But . . . You said:
. . . pattern of Mosque based and online radicalisation.
I'm wondering what you mean by "radicalization". Who is it that is being "radicalized"? This ties into what you asked if I might elaborate on above. If we cannot get this part straight, then we may be doomed. ISLAM is inherently radical. Therefore, Muslims are radicalized! As I said, no apologies. There are many innocent Muslims who are caught up in this through no fault of their own. Some of them --- and perhaps very many of them --- will be killed. That is a tragedy. But while I wait for the usual suspects to come in and call me names for condoning action that will result in innocents dying -- I remind them that . . . innocents are ALREADY dying! Or haven't you noticed??? And would I be being too mean to now ask on top of that why it is that Muslim innocents are of MORE value than U.S., French, British . . . (the list would be too long, sorry) etc. innocents??? Or is that one of the questions that we are not allowed to ask? Probably, huh. If we don't start seeing it like this, then we are continuing to display a fatal weakness. You cannot rationally separate violence and wanton murder from Islam. It is completely and thoroughly foundational. If we continue to try to be nice to Islam and Muslims just because it has a (comparatively minuscule) religious component, we will fail to stop jihad. Until someone wakes up and says, "Wait! This is one "religion" that really does warrant discrimination. Discrimination until elimination, in fact," then we will fail to stop jihad. The military and even terrorism fronts of jihad may wane for a time, but we'll never win the war. And this war needs to be won. And I have trouble taking courage after reading what you put very well about the disparity between battlefield victory and conventional wisdom and how that has played out from Viet Nam onward to today. Discouraging indeed.Brent_{December 15, 2015
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PS: SJW attack brief survival guide: http://www.voxday.net/mart/SJW_Attack_Survival_Guide.pdfkairosfocus_{December 15, 2015
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Brent, a red herring is readily led away to a strawman soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere here or in the penumbra of attack sites. (Which inter alia taints a web search for the topic. That too is part of the message dominance agenda.) It should be manifest that i/l/o the SB incident (the shooters were in action for what, 2 minutes?) I spoke to a real problem, the need for 10-second response when SWAT teams are 10 - 30+ minutes away. Where, Bataclan and Beslan show what could happen and how fast in large soft target assemblies. The only reasonable solutions are based on immediate presence of effective responders. And in numbers that move well beyond what police forces can sustain while carrying out their usual range of functions. Thus, civilian marshals, with relevant capabilities and equipment. With the Swiss as a reference model to adapt, just as that model guided Israel on how it could mobilise for defence in the face of potentially overwhelming opposed numbers. As 1967 and 73 demonstrated, after which the Arabs shifted strategies away from conventional invasion. And indeed the current struggles can be seen as expansion of the attempt to destroy a Dhimmi led state in the ME into a global Islamist push; across the 1970's. The Swiss model shows my emphasis is not so much the right of personal defence but the duty of common defence. Where the state and the people have joint and complementary obligations in defence of the civil peace of justice. One expression is the civilian marshals as organised first responders. The reference made to PDWs as first level of arming such marshals (not 9 mm pistols) shows that I am concerned on terrorist access to armour. These weapons are designed to be super-compact and use rounds capable of punching through armour. I guess the FN90 is iconic. Reference to the Grendel 6.5 mm modern cartridge designed for the AR-15 type family of weapons and extending the effective range to up to 1200 m [addressing a range and kinetic energy problem of that family in the typical carbine type versions], to the bullpup general design, to low mag scopes and standard [i.e. Pickatinny] rails and the Tavor as reference platform should show that there is some specific knowledge behind what I have suggested. The Tavor of course synthesises several lines of development (on both the AK47-Galil family and the AR15 family, with infusions from what we could call the bullpup movement); that gives high reliability, compact form factor and high accuracy, with ready adaptation to longer range shooting if that becomes necessary. I should note that the 6.5 - 7 mm bullet class likely would have been a better balance for a standard round than what actually emerged due to institutional factors in the 1950's and 60's, the NATO 7.62x51 and the 5.56x45. The Grendel is the current main representative of that balance. Likewise, the shift to an intermediate round and the assault rifle as a better solution for the battlefield than both the .30 calibre bolt action type rifle and the pistol calibre sub-machine gun, dates back to the 2nd world war and the MP44 Sturmgewehr = Assault Rifle. The point being that a full rifle cartridge was typically uncontrollable on full automatic, and the majority of engagements were within 300 m. But recent developments are forcing a revisit, and going back to the range of round that I have noted. Going beyond, in zones targetted more for jihad than dawah, there is clear documentation of a global subjugation 100 year plan since 1982, and from 1991 of the settlement jihad strategy which involves front organisations, infiltration of agents of influence but also clearly the creation of settlement enclaves that create micro states within states that serve as bases for razzias and assassin cult attacks. The Paris attack makes this plain, and the fact that France is listed with 751 no go zones and that such are emerging in other places, should give pause. As should the pattern of Mosque based and online radicalisation. The enclaves must be reclaimed for policing, including by surging backed up by the national guard etc option. Such lawless no go zone, gangster/militant gunman dominated enclaves are violations of the civil peace of justice. To restore it, they must be broken, and the physical and digital pipelines that feed in militants must be managed to cut off the flow of terrorists. I have said little about the digitalised information and influence battlespace other than to lay out how unwelcome truths need to be reckoned with, drawing out typical tactics of dismissal and attempted message dominance for the politically correct narratives. Notice, in response to the earlier wave of dismissive rhetoric, I put up a challenge on knowing background, which it was obvious that none of the objectors could address cogently. Indeed it is likely that that failure led to the second wave of attempts to personalise and polarise. Alinsky agit prop linked to cultural marxist strategies for undermining Christianity-influenced western civilisation. Which the assorted atheist activists and lab coat clad evolutionary materialists, perverts of all sorts etc will too often support. By the very example of this thread, then, we see the pattern of diversion, distortion and denigration intended to trigger polarisation and dismissal. Manipulators, enablers, talking point parrots and the useful indoctrinated. In many cases, such is backed up by the further triad associated with the SJW: speaking in disregard to duties of care to truth and fairness, doubling down when challenged, denigratory projections. There is a message dominance strategy intended to manipulate the Overton Window of socially acceptable range of opinion -- i.e. political correctness in the teeth of evident reality -- that has to be broken. In the case of the USA, ever since Tet in 1968, the gap between battlefield victory and manipulated conventional wisdom on the home front has consistently led to unwillingness to stay the course in the face of a long term challenge. One consequence has been premature withdrawals, abandonment and betrayal of allies on the ground in pivotal areas. Homefront defeat by exhaustion, manipulated through message dominance in institutions of influence. Indeed by the late 1970's, the USA was well on the way to losing the Cold War, of which my native homeland happened to be a small front. (Notice, too, the attempt to make that homeland into a point for dismissive attitude instead of realising that it would have given a base of experience to understand agit prop and insurgencies in a polarised society. Let me just say that at the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Russians actually sent a team to make a public apology for what they had done. Likewise, the persistent attacks on UD over the years inadvertently inform us that the objectors realise that we have an influential reach, where e.g the broader Discovery Institute is an obvious case in point. That is why they have been trying aggressive dominance tactics instead of simply ignoring a soapbox in an empty wilderness.) What happened instead is that the ineptitude of a progressivist president brought the then much derided figure, Ronald Reagan, to power. With Thatcher who came to power in 1979, he forged the coalition of global leadership that shattered the moral, message dominance agenda of the Marxists, turned the tide economically [never mind his macroeconomic blunders] and won the Cold War. The Polish revival and impact of a Polish Pope should not be underestimated -- a point underscored through an assassination attempt that was likely to have been Combloc backed, via Bulgarian intel IIRC. It is against that backdrop that yesterday, I decided to put up an outline geostrategic analysis, drawing on Mackinder, Mahan et al. The Islamist surge is a rimlands based, continental strategy, oil resource empowered, global dominance thrust. The logic of that is that soft target continental resources are needed to back a thrust, which needs to build up overwhelming military power and naval might. Mackinder's insight was the transforming impact of land communications breakthroughs of C19, allowing rails (and telegraph then other comms networks) to efficiently harness continental resources to expansionist autocratic or oligarchic agendas. He was focussed on the Eurasian heartland thus the German and Russian problems that dominated C20. However there were hints of other potential heartlands, particularly Africa. History tells us that harnessing South America catapulted Spain into global power, India gave Britain a strong power base, and North America, the USA. Mahan has convincingly shown that sea power working through maritime strategies has often successfully defeated a continental strategy. All these need adaptation to C21 circumstances, but it is clear that the defeat of Islamism while guiding China to a less dangerous path, is a major challenge. For China, the key observation is that it is moving to the 20+% Christian presence tipping point that on historical cases is civilisationally transforming. Similarly for the past 100 years a Southern Christian reformation/transformation has been in accelerating progress. These trends all point to Africa as the continent of decision. With Africa's extensions in the Americas as also significant and the land bridge between Africa and the ME as also a flashpoint, especially given the importance of the Nile valley as a corridor to the African heartland that bypasses the Sahara. Indeed, Jerusalem will be a burdensome stone. So, now, you see my response to the distractors: move up to the next level. If they cannot address it and instead continue the distraction, distortion, denigration game, that speaks volumes. KFkairosfocus_{December 15, 2015
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DS, The gun "control"/ confiscation issue has clearly been put on the table by leading progressives, starting with the current president of the USA and other leading lights. It is quite obvious that their model is the European style one which in places like Britain has now included enshrining under false colour of law the denial of the right of self-defence; of which the question of a right or duty to keep and bear arms is a consequence. In any case, it is quite clear that for this case the initial assumption was that oh this is a mass shooting incident, to be ridden on to that end. The reluctance to acknowledge the reality that was evident within hours was telling. Indeed to have leading authorities suggesting that frequent mass shootings are a uniquely American problem in the teeth of three major Islamist terrorism linked, news making terrorist attack events . . . Paris, Mali, SB . . . shows a reality gap; one amplified by the proffered "solution" which patently boils down to progressively disarming the public and likely following the UK example of putting denial of self defence into public policy under false colours of law. And now more and more is emerging that shows that politically correct approaches have been a part of the problem for FORTY years. KFkairosfocus_{December 15, 2015
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ds, I would like to ask you why it is pertinent to the discussion as to whether KF has ever fired a gun. From all I've read I just don't see how answering either yes or no matters. Or am I wrong? Curious.Brent_{December 14, 2015
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KF, I agree with DaveS. I think I have been the most vocal about gun control (at least since Kenneth Hughs mysteriously disappeared), but at no time was I advocating for disarming the US. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Gun control does not mean gun confiscation.George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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KF, It seems political correctness all around enabled the shooting, from DHS to the Redlands neighbor, to the media narratives and gun control lobby. I wonder if we can really survive another year of this.CannuckianYankee_{December 14, 2015
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KF, Speaking of red herrings, who is suggesting disarming the American public to the extent that chaos would ensue? I don't think any substantial change in gun regulation is possible for the forseeable future.daveS_{December 14, 2015
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F/N: A Whistleblower speaks: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/10/whistleblower-says-he-could-have-prevented-ca-attack-if-government-didnt-cut-funding KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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JJ and GE I am gavelling the side debates. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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PS: Let us note, the evidence points to roots that are 40 years deep now.kairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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JJ: "Using George’s logic then he must not lock his car door or have a car alarm because car theft happens anyway. Same with his home, If his house was secure as it possibly could be then using his logic then he would not even lock the front door or close the windows when he goes out, because people are going to break into homes." In fact, I don't lock the doors on my house or my car. Fifty seven years and I have never been robbed. And I have always lived in large urban areas. "If he had some wealthy friends then he would tell them to remove the gates and the security and tell them that people are still going to get Burglar’s coming into their homes. You have obviously never been to Canada. We have very few gated communities. I have several wealthy friends and none of them have gates or security systems. "George is not sure that he has free will and tries to tell others they are wrong." The "Devil" made me do it. "The logic of George whose defense of the word Evil is that he doesn’t mean it in a literal sense about things that are objectively wrong." In this statement Jack is: 1) lying 2) misrepresenting the facts 3) baring false witness 4) all of the above Tune in tomorrow for the correct answer.George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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Folks, I am gavelling the personalities all around. Enough of red herrings led away to strawman caricatures laced with ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere. Where BTW, it is worth noting that the Caribbean has been a source of recruitment for the first non-ME suicide bomber in Europe in the London 7/7 attack, the shoe bomber, and the Imam who was the first to be gaoled for sedition and deported to his native country in centuries. Not to mention the JFK plot and the leading militant known as El Shukrijumah -- ignorant dismissiveness duly noted. The Caribbean is also the source of the missions to W Africa that helped plant the vibrant churches there that are today the bulwark against the further southern spread of Islam. Which, though that was not a factor in the thinking of those pioneer former slaves and missionaries from 1843 on, turns out to be of high geostrategic significance as Africa is precisely the likely soft continental base that the Islamists have in mind to secure their global expansion. For sure, Nehls and Eric report that they have constructed a narrative of an imagined Islamic past -- echoed in the Caribbean through the Afroz theses on Maroons as Moors and slaves as moors -- and have long since declared a goal to make Africa the first wholly Islamic continent. All, to be lost in the mocking laugh, I suppose, along with the cynical dismissal of the Christian faith and its foundational ethical theism. Never mind that after centuries of debate, there is only one serious candidate IS to ground OUGHT: the inherently good creator God, a necessary and maximally great being worthy of loyalty and the reasonable service of doing the good in accord with our nature. Provine's inadvertent admissions make a stunning contrast:
Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . . . The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them. Human free will, however, is another matter. Even evolutionists have trouble swallowing that implication. I will argue that humans are locally determined systems that make choices. They have, however, no free will [--> without responsible freedom, mind, reason and morality alike disintegrate into grand delusion, hence self-referential incoherence and self-refutation. But that does not make such fallacies any less effective in the hands of clever manipulators] . . . [1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address, U of Tenn -- and yes, that is significant i/l/o the Scopes Trial, 1925]
(AND GE, YOUR EARLY CYNICAL GAMBIT TO TRY TO DEFLECT THE EXPOSURE OF THE HABITUAL RESORT TO THE TRIFECTA FALLACY OF DISTRACT, DISTORT DENIGRATE, STANDS EXPOSED FOR ITS INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL BANKRUPTCY.) I particularly note how this tactic has been used in response to a geostrategic analysis of the challenge of Islam. I have put that analysis where I can add in a few pics: http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2015/12/thoughts-on-geostrategic-challenge-of.html I have already linked the key captured documents. It is noteworthy that objectors, obviously coming from the circle of anti_ID sites, have shown through this thread just how unresponsive they are to facts, evidence and reason, starting with the issue of the gap between Islam and Islamism as presented and as can be shown from relevant history, documents etc. The issue of jihad by bands and the need for a 10-second rather than 10 - 30+ minute response has never been cogently faced, and it remains so that under small attack unit circumstances that local units of a civilian marshal corps that takes a few leaves from the Swiss model of an armed citizenry, are worth reflecting on. Especially by way of contrast with the grand red herring exercise to disarm the public. In the case of the USA, such disarmament is credibly infeasible and liable to provoke chaos in response on very sobering history and linked constitutional law and principles. The proposed cure is manifestly far worse than the disease. The implication is that those who put it up or go far and wide on the Internet and elsewhere in the RW to carry it forth as foot soldiers of the agenda, either are utterly ignorant and caught up in a march of folly they have not thought through, or else we are dealing with cynical and disqualifyingly reckless polarisation in an election cycle. That issue was never reasonably responded to. We here have a pretty direct illustration of the unresponsiveness of the circle of objectors to substance of fact-logic and to information that should have opened their eyes. (I am amazed, though I guess I should have cynically expected such, that a geostrategic analysis in outline was not responded to.) In the meanwhile, we have continued to find disturbing news on the SB attack, especially with the kind ongoing support of CY, a resident of the city. That is a service worth supporting. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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George's defense of the Islamification of the West is that it is not going to stop Islamic terrorism happening. hahahahaha Because we see Islamic terrorism in the world then George defends the policy of flooding western countries with Muslims. hahaha Using George's logic then he must not lock his car door or have a car alarm because car theft happens anyway. Same with his home, using his logic then he would not even lock the front door or close the windows when he goes out, because people are going to break into homes. If he had some wealthy friends then he would tell them to remove the gates and disable the security system and tell them that people are still going to get Thief's coming into their homes. He would say that theft from peoples homes is still going to occur so why make your home as secure as you can. That is George Logic. hahahaha George is not sure that he has free will and tries to tell others they are wrong. That is George Logic. hahahaha The logic of George whose defense of the word Evil is that he doesn't mean it in a literal sense about things that are objectively wrong. He really uses it to mean "subjective objective right and wrong" hahahahahaJack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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JJ: "Your poor cat must be starving to death because you do not even know how to open a tin of cat food." Was never very fond of cats. I prefer the critters in my reef tank. But I do have a broken toaster if you want to earn an honest dollar for repairing it.George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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@382 "yup" Are you a Hick? Maybe that is why you have shown such stupidity. Your poor cat must be starving to death because you do not even know how to open a tin of cat food. hahaha Ladies and Gentlemen George's excuse is that he doesn't really mean Evil as in Immoral actions. He is trying to say that he believes in Evil as "subjective objective right and wrong" hahahahaJack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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JJ: "1. You are the fool that denies objective right and wrong and then claims something is Evil." Yup. You with your "superior intelligence" have me dead to rights. Congratulations on your "victory". We are all in "awe" of your "brilliance". You are so "special".George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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@376 "it’s standard English grammar. " George is so simple that he cannot get that. George is very slow. He is happy to see the decline of Christianity in Canada and yet acts as an apologist for Islam. He does not understand the use of quotation marks and you had to break it down for him. The guy argues against objective right and wrong then starts going on about things being "Evil" When his stupidity was exposed then he lied and said "Jack Jones used his “considerable intellect” to assume that I was using it in the biblical sense. " I made no mention of the Bible, If the Bible is removed from the discussion then he is still assuming a correct moral standard of how things should be and that is not consistent with his evolutionary faith or consistent with his rejection of objective right and wrong. That is some serious stupidity from the walking contradiction called George.Jack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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@378 "Jack jumped to a stupid conclusion" So claims the walking contradiction George. "that he thought was a show stopper. " And yet you cannot explain your contradiction. You say to KF "Thank you for the biggest laugh I have had in years." You laugh like a fool at what you do not understand. 1. You are the fool that denies objective right and wrong and then claims something is Evil. 2. CY had to explain to you the use of quotation marks as it is over your head. You really have no grounds to scoff at KF. You are too short for the ride.Jack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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KF: " The circumstances of the USA make civilian marshals a reasonable option, and I am sure relevant authorities scan the web enough that any needed pickup will happen." Thank you for the biggest laugh I have had in years. I admit to having a fairly big ego, but to think that the US (or your tiny island government) takes your ideas seriously is seriously delusional. I apologize for being this direct, but I thought a serious corrective was warrantedGeorge Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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CY: "GE, Quotation marks around the word “evil” following the word “term” distinguishes it as a term in the same way I just distinguished it as a word. It has nothing to do with scare tactics; it’s standard English grammar. Thus, the term “evil,” and not evil itself, becomes the direct object. The term “evil” (direct object) receives the action (verb: using) by the subject (you). See how that works?" Really? JJ was the one who put the word "term" in front of the word "evil", Not me. Please pay attention. I specifically put scare quotes around "evil" in my original comment. Jack Jones used his "considerable intellect" to assume that I was using it in the biblical sense. You are obviously "astute" and... Damn, I can't keep up this farce. Jack jumped to a stupid conclusion that he thought was a show stopper. You have attempted to pile on, for reasons only you can explain. If you want to make hay with my use of the word "evil" (presented in big scare quotes) be my guest. But I know that you are much smarter than Jack. My cat is.George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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GE, The Caribbean islands don't face the same threat (though we are targetted . . . the Dawah and agents of influence plus jihad recruiters). The circumstances of the USA make civilian marshals a reasonable option, and I am sure relevant authorities scan the web enough that any needed pickup will happen. Besides, the likely way forward is through the private sector, as discussed above. On that front, through security companies and island/ special constables something similar already happens in the Caribbean, for different reasons. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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GE, Quotation marks around the word "evil" following the word "term" distinguishes it as a term in the same way I just distinguished it as a word. It has nothing to do with scare tactics; it's standard English grammar. Thus, the term "evil," and not evil itself, becomes the direct object. The term "evil" (direct object) receives the action (verb: using) by the subject (you). See how that works?CannuckianYankee_{December 14, 2015
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KF, since you think that civilian marshals are so critical to our defense, I am sure that you have recommended this to the authorities on your island, on Jamaica, and in the US. What was their response?George Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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JJ: "Get your act together George, You argue against objective right and wrongs and then you betray yourself by using the term “Evil” which implies objective right and wrong." Scare Quotes: "quotation marks placed around a word or phrase to signal that a term is being used in a nonstandard, ironic, or otherwise special sense." [Wiki] Example: Jack Jones is very "intelligent", and always provides "informative" and "mature" comments whenever he has a discussion with someone he disagrees with. In this respect he is a very "special" person. It's always "informative" talking to you, JackGeorge Edwards_{December 14, 2015
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For what it's worth, the Darul-Uloom al-Islamia mosque mentioned in the article; the mosque where Syed Farook spent his lunch hour, is about a block away from where I lived until about 3 months ago. The area known as Muscoy is an unincorporated area of San Bernardino County with a San Bernardino post office. It has a population of about 5,000, and has no municipal structure other than mostly paved roads, although with no sidewalks. There doesn't seem to be any buildimg codes, and the populace is largely welfare recipients, drug users mixed in with the odd horse ranch and chicken farm. It has a rural feel in a suburban area. I mention this, because it's much more possible in a neighborhood like this to be anonymous, or to in fact hide from view. The mosque is on a side street well away from regular traffic. I just find it a rather odd location for any congregation. In the year's time I lived there, I never knew it existed.CannuckianYankee_{December 14, 2015
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KF,
DS, then you will understand why I continue to focus on the substantial issue. KF
I guess there's no chance of getting an answer then.daveS_{December 14, 2015
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