DEVELOPING NEWS: San Bernardino incident may be [lone wolf/ independent Razzia/ Assassin Cult] IslamIST terrorism

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Here (video unlikely to embed at UD).

Live TV: http://livestream.com/accounts/9262780/events/3189705

Live radio: http://player.radio.com/listen/station/knx-1070-newsradio

U/D Dec 4, looks like we have pics of recovered weapons, looks like Semi-auto AR15s with stabilising front hand grips, low mag optical sights and two 9mm parabellum semiauto pistols:

Confirmation of explosive devices on live TV just now, that is not normal. END

PS: Links (Drudge?):

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PPS: The following was first observed on Sept 11 2001 on an Islamic Dawah site (subsequently vanished save in the web archives):

Notice the immediate zone, the action agenda and the after 100 years, i/l/o the Muslim Brotherhood 1982 The Project 100 year global conquest plan. (Go to p. 15 for English text.) Also, cf. the 1991 Explanatory Memo document. (English, from p. 15. Backstory on the 80 bankers boxes of documents capture here.)

Money shot clip from the MB 1991 Memo approved by the North America Arm and to have been submitted to leadership in Egypt:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

PPPS: U/D Dec 17, a tale of two school systems in the face of mass shooting attacks:

Sorry to be a bit sharpish.

Comments

CY, there was a forest of missed red flags for this case, similar to the Boston Marathon one. Looks like some serious reforms of how Islamist terrorism is to be addressed will be needed. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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DS, then you will understand why I continue to focus on the substantial issue. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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On the Paulianity assertion: http://www.angelfire.com/pro/kairosfocus/resources/PAUL_AND_CHRIST.htmkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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Extensive backgroun article. The Indian Sub-continent / Pakistani jihad roots of San Bernardino massacre: https://pjmedia.com/blog/deobandi-roots-of-san-bernadino-jihad/1 [ Haney’s fastidious investigations raised serious concerns about the San Bernardino Deobandi movement-affiliated Darul-Uloom al-Islamia mosque—attended by jihad-waging killer Syed Farook. In addition, Farook’s jihadist accomplice wife, Tashfeen Malik, attended a traditionalist Islamic education center in Pakistan, also connected with the Deobandi movement. Notwithstanding his patriotic, yeoman efforts, DHS shut down Haney’s probe, and revoked both his security clearance and access to the databases he compiled. Retributive investigations against Haney by DHS and the Obama Justice Department, however, revealed no wrongdoing on his part. Tragically, as Haney explained, had his probe not been terminated for alleged “civil rights violations” of jihad-indoctrinated Muslim followers of the Deobandi movement: Either Syed would have been put on the no-fly list because association with that mosque, and/or the K-1 visa that his wife was given may have been denied because of his association with a known organizatiohn. ] [ The Deobandi-linked jihad carnage that transpired in San Bernardino has much deeper roots, not only on the Indian subcontinent, but dating from at least 1977, within North America, as well. ] [ But it is during a series of addresses Nadwi delivered in the summer of 1977 to U.S. (primarily) and Canadian audiences that one sees his unabashed advocacy of Sharia supremacism—overturning “infidel” Western legal systems—by these Muslim diaspora populations. The speeches are open calls for Islamization by both non-violent proselytization, and jihad (spelled, as per the Indian Muslim predilection, “jehad”), even jihad martyrdom. Nadwi appeals to North American Muslims for patience, and unwavering forbearance, but also gives explicit sanction for jihad martyrdom violence—so “Islam be made stronger and brought into power and authority”—entirely consistent with the San Bernardino carnage wrought almost 40 years later by Syed Farook and Tashfeen Mailk. ] The most startling revelation here is what is said about Christianity: [ This country [the U.S.] is an idol-hall in which the Azan [Muslim call] of Ibrahim has to be given, and this you, alone, can do. You are the real descendants of Ibrahim, not the Jews who have strayed far away from his path. Not the Christians who are the followers of the Christianity of St. Paul, not of Jesus. ] If you have paid any attention to online debates about Christianity lately, particularly regarding earliest Christianity; ther is a concerted push to undermine the narrative of the early church among liberal-leaning online participants. That Paul invented Christianity is a hot debate, and few realize that the charge originates within Islam. But it has broad appeal among secularists. Half the battle, it seems, is defending the faith.CannuckianYankee_{December 14, 2015
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Apologies KF, these people rile me.Jack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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KF, Yes, I do find them to be extremely serious issues. There, I answered your yes/no question. Now kindly return the favor and answer my question from #362.daveS_{December 14, 2015
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JJ, Language warning. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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DS, what is most relevant is the persistent pattern in this thread (and elsewhere) of diversion, distraction, personalisation. I draw attention, again to the matter on the table, addressing Jihad by bands in context. One facet of this has been the suggestion that there is a need for a 10s response when SWAT teams are 10 - 30+ minutes away. That, together with the Swiss citizens in arms model, is why I have put up the suggestion of a civilian marshal corps. For target hardening. All of this is in a wider context that I have now drawn up to geostrategic level. Do you find that Islamofascism is a serious issue? Iran's $150 bn and apparent green light on nukes? ISIS and the declaration of a Caliphate? The black flag and Gharqad tree hadiths and their wider context, including the 1982 MB Project 100 year global conquest plan and the North American Explanatory Memo of 1991? And more? KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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@351 "This, in spite of the fact that they were born here. What made that even more “evil” is that we did not do the same for citizens of German or Italian descent." Get your act together George, You argue against objective right and wrongs and then you betray yourself by using the term "Evil" which implies objective right and wrong. You need to get your story straight. Why are you arguing for Evil when you reject objective right and wrong for how people should or should not behave? You are against Christianity but you are an enabler of a totalitarian death cult that wants to turn western Countries into Islamic Countries under sharia and wants to islamify Europe and turn it into Eurabia. The fact you are happy to see the decline of Christianity in Canada but are an apologist for the Evil cult of Islam, Shows you to be [SNIP -- Ed] and a very sick puppy indeed.Jack Jones_{December 14, 2015
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KF, One last time: Have you ever fired a gun?daveS_{December 14, 2015
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DS, You are reading me incorrectly. Notice, I keep drawing attention to the Swiss model. Where also, I am pointing to the first line: those who are trained police or military already. That should give a yardstick. KFkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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KF, I think it is relevant. You casually speak of armed and lightly-trained civilians patrolling public areas. Now you are telling us about the skill level of American hunters. How did you develop this expertise? Will you at least tell us if you have ever fired a gun?daveS_{December 14, 2015
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DS, not relevant, save that I do know what I am saying. KF PS: Hunting gives baseline training in handling weapons, woodcraft and stalking skills. Also, often, small unit cohesion. (That was a factor all the way back to the American Revolution.) Enough, that one is not dealing with an utter novice -- my point, I did not wish to imply that a hunter is equivalent to a recruit who has gone through basic training in the army. In context I first listed those with mil/police training then stepped down, finally ending at the training potential of the Special Forces.kairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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KF,
Millions of hunters by that practice, have basic infantry training
They do? I know many hunters and this surprises me. Do you have a lot of experience handling guns? Perhaps you could tell us about your training and what sorts of weapons you've fired, etc.daveS_{December 14, 2015
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PPS: I should note a civilian marshals corps would be policing not military and would be able to use policing rounds, not military grade ball.kairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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Brent, serious points, care to elaborate? (BTW, the if is in the it has to become manifestly clear.) KF PS: Maps and additional points: http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2015/12/thoughts-on-geostrategic-challenge-of.htmlkairosfocus_{December 14, 2015
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KF,
The signal failure of media and pundits, speaks volumes. In this space it has to become clear that the Jihadis are deluded and will manifestly fail, as they are not the strong horse.
With this I disagree. You have an unspoken "if" in there. The jihadi's are not the strong horse and will manifestly fail . . . if we finally stop being deluded ourselves. Otherwise, all bets are off. If this were purely a military plan, sure, it is doomed to fail no matter what. But jihad is waged on many more fronts than that, and on many of those fronts the West really IS weak. For starters: weak minded.Brent_{December 14, 2015
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Brent, that is the point of civilian marshals, to harden targets and free the full time police to go after the no go zones and embedded sleeper cells, backed by paramilitary police and the outright military. I would not make Muslims second class citizens, but would recognise the roots and socio-cultural focus of the threatening ideology; named by the moderate Algerians, Islamofascism. But this is just one battlespace, I just outlined the geostrategic picture as it looks to me. KF PS: On training, you are not teaching people to handle full auto fire. A Tavor bullpup 6.5 mm Grendel with armour piercing rounds -- hits much harder than 5.56 mm without the recoil penalty of 0.308/7.62 mm NATO [and it gives 1,000+ m range where that is relevant] -- and low mag scope targetted for 100 m with standard rail mounts would be far more manageable than say the old Lee Enfield or an M1 Garand or an M14 or even a full auto M16 or the like. Bullpup of course gives length of barrel in a compact form factor. And personal defence weapons with enhanced rounds and red dot sights would be even easier. I note the French Police were using red dots and Beretta M12 SMGs.kairosfocus_{December 13, 2015
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George, Well, what do you expect me to say? I already said I don't apologize for my position ;) I didn't decide on having two classes of citizen. Islamists decided to have two classes of citizens. I'm just being honest about that, unlike way too many people. I understand your position on training. Perhaps I'm a little too optimistic in how much training is needed, but not that much I'm sure. On average, for a primarily desk-jockey type like I was, we only had 3 to 4 times a year where we played with our weapons. Not all of those were with live amo either. I take issue with your idea that there would be many abuses by civilian marshals, but then I don't believe there is any reason for them to be poorly trained either. Remember, we are talking about a response team, not civilians sent to root out possible suspects. These only need to be visible for deterrent purposes, and "active" when some idiots decided not to be deterred.Brent_{December 13, 2015
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Brent (attn Seversky & GE et al): There are hundreds of thousands to millions in the USA who cumulatively have military and/or police background that would give a relevant baseline. In addition, the US Special Forces were set up primarily to mobilise and train counter-insurgency militias. Millions of hunters by that practice, have basic infantry training, i.e. I here point to Adm Yamamoto's counsel to the Japanese leadership that an invasion would face a rifle behind every blade of grass. The Swiss model, has much to teach. The key difference to recent history is, a major battlespace is now at home; the parallel is the early frontier era where attacks by hostiles could happen with little warning and it is the local ability to instantly respond that counts. Remember, 10 seconds when Police SWAT teams are 10 - 30+ minutes away. As to the notion that this is a rare, stable lightning strikes sort of thing, nope, it has been steadily rising since the 1970's. It has potential to explode, both in Europe and the Americas. The Australians will take care of themselves. The rule of thumb estimate is you are looking at 10% of muslims. Pew polls show about 20 - 80% support depending on where in the world. Taking the 1.5 bn estimate, that is on order of 50 millions backed by 500 millions, the largest global military threat in history. The black flag hadith points to an army from the direction of Khorasan, implying Iran-Afghanistan-Pakistan, and that Mahdi is among this invincible army. If one has to crawl over ice and snow, one is to join them. They are to be in the Syria-Iraq zone and Prophet Isa (an Islamic, eschatological version on Jesus not at all like the NT Jesus) will join. ME conquest is envisioned, with associated prediction of a mass slaughter of Jews (Gharqad tree hadith). From ME, domination of the world. The strategic patterns of recent decades and years in the ME suddenly fit a pattern. And of course the Iranian Republic sees itself as vanguard of the Mahdi, and seeks nukes in that context. I summarise and do not give details and versions on points, and note that the black flag army hadith is not viewed as as strong as say the Gharqad tree one on the massacre of Jews, But the problem -- observing black flags in abundance -- is to persuade the militants that things are otherwise. We are looking at jihad by bands in that context, with infusions of assassin cult suicide attacks. In some cases I would not be surprised to learn that hashish (source of the name) is involved. Beyond jihad by bands is organised full bore war under an acknowledged Caliphate. Which is exactly what Al Baghdadi is claiming to be. So the pledging of loyalty is a crucial move in the ideology and theology of Jihadism. From Caliph we move to final Caliph, the world conquering Mahdi. Hence the 100 year plan, the settlement jihad strategy and the sort of projections in the map above. The answer in outline is to realise this is a rimlands (perimeter of the Eurasian heartland), choke points and pivotal resource [oil] based continental strategy. Where, I do not think a European-dominated heartland strategy is in view. Most likely the African heartland is the targetted soft continental base of material and population resources to build up the bases and inventory for global subjugation -- the view since 1904 has been that given railways and technologies that allow mobilisation of a continent, a dominant continental power can then build up bases and inventory to take up a maritime assault of unprecedented scale, achieving global domination. Eastern Europe has usually been the envisioned focal area, but Africa and China have been seen as other possible bases. Doubtless, India too . . . the second main base of the British Empire. Yes, Mackinder et al saw that as a possibility, though in context India and China while being abstract possibilities; are much less likely. Africa is the soft zone and for the Americas, Latin America and the Caribbean. BTW, this may explain the recent Islamist focus on attacking and denouncing France; as France has been most assertive in blocking Islamist expansion southwards in Africa. And of course Israel sits in the SW corner of Asia on a choke-point on the land bridge between Africa and the ME. Close to the Nile valley arterial line that bypasses the Sahara. A Continental geostrategic thrust is logically and historically best countered by a maritime one. I will give no details here other than say, look to the past 500 years of history and particularly to Britain and the Royal Navy. But jihad by bands, by settlement of enclaves, by pen, tongue and agent of influence settling in key institutions backed by oil money has to be defeated if such is to be undertaken. We have to be willing to recognise, this is a slow burn global, 4th generation war where multiple battlespaces and theatres of operation are simultaneously engaged. Target hardening speaks to that, on the jihad by bands battlespace. As does taking up serious policing of no-go zones backed by stronger forces if the police are stalemated or defeated. The information and influence battlespace must be engaged, and the unwelcome truth brought out and grounded. The signal failure of media and pundits, speaks volumes. In this space it has to become clear that the Jihadis are deluded and will manifestly fail, as they are not the strong horse. Though I will say, an evaluation has been made that an economically and socio-culturally suicidal west invites aggression. For the USA, lessons from the Barbary Coast naval wars may teach more soundly than anything since. On the intel front, the pivotal issue is not a general surveillance state [that opens up things that we do not need]. Instead, go back to the small wars corpus from generations back: build networks, scout, patrol, bring the money to back partnership and frankly to buy information. But the info and influence battle has to be won, and the West will have to make serious amends for its decades long habit of cutting and running before the job is done. I know, none of this is palatable. Welcome to World War IV, already in progress. And, at nuke threshold. KFkairosfocus_{December 13, 2015
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Brent, you are fine with increased intelligence gathering on the Muslim next door but not against you? I oppose this and it has nothing to do with political correctness. You, apparently, think that it is perfectly acceptable to have two classes of citizen. During the Second World War, we relocated all Citizens of Japanese descent from coastal areas to concentration camps and confiscated their businesses and properties. This, in spite of the fact that they were born here. What made that even more "evil" is that we did not do the same for citizens of German or Italian descent. With regard to your training with an m16, I assume that this was in the military. Now, was this training a one time event shortly after enlistment, or was it ongoing? I suspect that it was ongoing. Why do you think that is? If training is so easy and inexpensive, why don't police forces simply train all officers to perform like SWAT teams do? That would certainly decrease response times. The vast majority of police do a good job and have the right personality to perform the job well. But, in spite of this, and in spite of the intensive and ongoing training and evaluations, we still hear of numerous incidents every year where an individual cop uses excessive and unnecessary force. I can only imagine the abuses that would happen with hundreds of poorly or inadequately trained civilian marshals.George Edwards_{December 13, 2015
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Seversky @342,
No one doubts that these groups intend to carry out further attacks. They will probably succeed in a few case. But, although tragic for those involved, they cannot do serious harm to western society or culture – unless we let them rattle us.
No! The problem to this point is precisely THAT we haven't let them rattle us. Additionally, target hardening would not require prohibitively expensive measures, nor training, if approached wisely. For example, using as many who are already well trained and may only need "tweaking" for this sort of "warfare" (the quotes are not for me --- I don't think they're needed). I am one such person, trained very well how to use an M16 on a traditional battlefield and (much less so) even in urban environments. It would take very little to train someone like me, and there are a LOT of people like me out there. Top that off with the fact that, if we can finally "let them rattle us" so that we face up to the war on our doorstep, if not in our living rooms, many would be willing to do a lot of the needed duty for free, or gift cards to Starbucks ;) Which brings us to the fact that, we've already let the enemy choose the battlefield. It's here. It's now. I don't mean, however, to dismiss your remarks about improved intelligence. It's a conundrum for me, though, as I despise sweeping intelligence that gathers as much information about me as the Muslims next door. Why should I and others be subjected to that? It's Islam's fault that we need to racially/religio-politically profile them. I'm neither sorry or ashamed of that stance, and I reject the PC establishment that says I ought to be.Brent_{December 13, 2015
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@346 "George EdwardsDecember 13, 2015 at 4:23 pm KF: “GE, whoever said that hardening targets will in itself defeat Islamist terrorism?” Jack Jones at 321." No I didn't George.Jack Jones_{December 13, 2015
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kairosfocus: Z Try answering the question. So you’re saying: There’s so much going on. There’s so many sleeper cells, so many people just waiting. Is that correct?Zachriel_{December 13, 2015
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KF, regarding civilian marshals:
the sharp and dismissive reactions to such a suggestion are illuminating on the mindset involved
Some of us were simply pointing out why these programs either don't exist or are not more widespread. For each alternative, some group would have significant objections. I can tell you that the extended conceal carry version would have no chance in my area.daveS_{December 13, 2015
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KF: "GE, whoever said that hardening targets will in itself defeat Islamist terrorism?" Jack Jones at 321. I came late to this thread but have read the OP and most of the comments since your list @185. I admit that I may have missed where you said that your list was just one of the tactics in a multi-faceted strategy to deal with the problem. Could you please provide the comment numbers where you suggested this? Your reference to Garland Texas is a rare and, luckily, successful example. For every one of those there is a Trevan Martin (i think that was the young unarmed man shot by a "civilian marshal"). But as Seversky pointed out, properly training people to use guns in events is extremely time consuming and extremely expensive. Do you have any concept of what this would cost, in both time and money, in a country like the US? First, if my memory serves me, one of your suggestions was the use of high powered weapons and armour piercing rounds. Anybody who has even a remote understanding about responding to hostage situations knows that the last thing you want are armour piercing rounds. They have this nasty tendency of going through the bad guy and several hostages. As I said previously, nobody is arguing against reasonable precautions. But reasonable and what you proposed @185 are light years apart. They may be good for G20 meetings, but for other events, what we have now is sufficient. You mentioned scaling up or down according to the risk. Which seems reasonable. But what is reasonable for a sporting event. At present people go through metal detectors and bag checks. But that would not have stopped a Paris style attack where they simply blast their way in. Every country has finite resources. You deploy them where there is a better return on investment. Increased intelligence, attacking their finances, their communication and their supply lines are a much better use of the finite resources than trying to harden all possible targets in your country. Your approach may have a benefit on your own little island, but in an area the size of North America (or Europe), to be effective the costs would be crippling. Thank you.George Edwards_{December 13, 2015
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GE, whoever said that hardening targets will in itself defeat Islamist terrorism? Another strawman; target hardening by setting up civilian marshals is a common sense suggestion for one small facet of a mu bigger picture, as in how do you get 10 s response when police SWAT teams are 10 - 30+ minutes away -- the sharp and dismissive reactions to such a suggestion are illuminating on the mindset involved; especially by way of contrast with Garland TX as a case in point. As to oh its a minor problem, the current rate is 3,000 casualties per month almost 50% dead, and the total of attacks since 9-11 is 27,000. That itself speaks volumes. As in, in effect, 1500 sheeple murdered per month and a similar number wounded is no problem. KFkairosfocus_{December 13, 2015
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KF, Seversky provided you with more or less the same response i would have provided yesterday if you had demonstrated a willingness to address the issue rather than attack the person. But that was yesterday. I will leave it be if you will. But to reinforce what Seversky said, you don't defeat the enemy by building a wall. Jericho should have taught you that. You defeat them by either destroying them completely, not my preference, or by putting them on the defensive such that it is in their best interest to sue for peace. And, as much as this would offend many people, when they sue for peace, you negotiate in good faith and provide massive amounts of support and aid. This is what was done after WWII and Germany and Japan are now two of our biggest allies.George Edwards_{December 13, 2015
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KF: "GE, I should note that your snide suggestion in 316 above that I would promote attacks on abortion clinics is an outrageous and utterly unwarranted projection that should be apologised for." If you were offended by the question I asked, then I do oppologize. It was not intended to imply that you would promote violonce against a oration clinics. I was simply trying to discern why my question about your comment about same sex marriage was off topic, even though you were the one who brought it up, and why abortion was on topic. Neither seem relevant to the discussion of terrorism and hardening soft targets. With your writing, it is sometimes difficult to track your train of thought. Again, if I offended you, I apologize. But, since abortion is obviously an "on topic" subject, it might interest you to know that I am in favour of prohibiting abortion after the first trimester except when the woman's life is at risk. But, obviously, you and I would disagree on abortion in the first trimester. My stance is based on the science. As such, I am open to changing my stance if the evidence suggests that an early stage fetus feels pain or has a soul. What would convince you to change your stance, at least for early stage abortions?George Edwards_{December 13, 2015
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kairosfocus @ 338
Z, was Paris “small” or was Mumbai/ Bombay? What about the 19 hijackers of 9-11; recall just how much was shut down over that? My suspicion is we may see a wave of hits from W Europe to Los Angeles.
No one doubts that these groups intend to carry out further attacks. They will probably succeed in a few case. But, although tragic for those involved, they cannot do serious harm to western society or culture - unless we let them rattle us. The reality is that we will not stop such attacks by purely defensive measures. Hardening “soft” targets by the measures you’ve suggested previously would be prohibitively expensive. We could not afford to protect them all and the bad guys, as Kenneth Hughs pointed out, would simply go for those that weren’t. Nor can you rely on public-spirited citizens with CCWs. Ask any expert in this sort of combat and they will tell you that it takes intensive training and extensive practice to become competent enough to use the weapon safely and effectively in extreme situations. You’re also violating an important principle of warfare which is that, wherever possible, you don’t allow your enemy to choose the battleground. It gives them the advantage and cedes them the initiative. Instead, you take the fight to them, ideally in ways they don’t expect and which forces them into a defensive posture. Simply thinking in terms of defending possible soft targets is letting the terrorists dictate how the conflict plays out. You can certainly improve defensive measures by deploying more rapid-response tactical units and change tactics to those which stress killing attackers as quickly as possible. Much more effective, however, will be expanded intelligence-gathering, choking off supplies of money, arms and equipment and, ultimately, defeating them on the ground. ISIS has an aura of invincibility and success which will disappear once they are seen to be weak and vulnerable to properly armed and trained forces that have the will to fight them.Seversky_{December 13, 2015
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