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Arguing for Resemblance of Design (RD) instead of Intelligent Design (ID)

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[This is a follow on essay to Good and bad reasons for rejecting ID]

The irony is that one of the books most widely credited for inspiring the ID movement didn’t actually argue for ID! That book was Michael Denton’s book Evolution A Theory In Crisis. This book deeply influenced Phil Johnson, Michael Behe, and many others.

So what was Denton’s conclusion at the end of his book? He said the mystery of biology is as enigmatic today as it was at the time of Darwin’s voyage on the Beagle. He offered no explanation for the apparent design in biology, and offered no suggestion that ID nor creation should even be put on the table as answers. He just stated no one has figured out the mystery of biology.

Despite this, his book became and ID classic. How can it be a book that didn’t once argue for ID end up sparking the ID movement? Consider this statement by Dawkins:

Some of the greatest scientists who have ever lived ­ including Newton, who may have been the greatest of all ­ believed in God. But it was hard to be an atheist before Darwin: the illusion of living design is so overwhelming.

Richard Dawkins
You ask the questions

So even Dawkins acknowledges the resemblance of design in biology. I would argue it is simply natural for people, once they are convinced that something resembles design, if they are open to the idea, they’ll infer design naturally provided you can make a credible case that the analogy of biology to man-made designs cannot be explained by appeals to naturalistic mechanisms (like Darwinian evolution). Denton did exactly that.

So why formally remove claims of Intelligence out of ID theory? Before answering that question, consider the effect of including the claim of ID on 2 types of people.:

Type 1: sympathetic to ID — they’ll naturally accept ID as the cause, we don’t need to make the inference for them, they’ll make it on their own like Phil Johnson and Michael Behe did after reading Denton’s book, so claiming “ID is the most adequate explanation” really doesn’t have an effect on their decision most of the time.

Type 2: the hardened critic — they’ll naturally reject ID not matter what you say, whether you claim there is an Intelligent Designer or not, they’ll find a way to reject ID

If one insists ID is true, this is what you could be faced with — it gives the critic the following sort of red herrings to give the appearance he’s winning the case against ID. A smart anti-IDist would argue his case as follows:

1. Where is the Designer?
2. Who is the Designer?
3. Give me an experiment demonstrating the Designer?
4. How many experiments have you run to demonstrate the Intelligent Designer?
5. Just because something seems improbable doesn’t automatically mean there is Intelligent Design?
6. Can you tell me how you define intelligence?
7. What was the mechanism of design?……

you can’t answer these questions so your theory stinks.

But look at Denton’s book, he brilliantly avoided all those distracting questions. And the result? The modern ID movement was sparked into existence.

No need to put the issue of the Designer on the table. It doesn’t help the ID case, it just leads to distractions. Just argue the facts. The Intelligent Designer made the facts, and the facts will testify of Him.

You can also have a little fun pounding the anti-ID critic and demand:

1. give me a theory that explains the resemblance
2. give me an experiment that create the resemblance without intelligent manipulation
3. give me evidence the resemblance can naturally arise
4. show that chance can generate the resemblance
5. show that there can be a violation of No Free Lunch such that Darwinian evolution can do better than chance

etc.

What is the result of this strategy? Well consider recently, I offered a modest claim that finding 500 fair coins all heads is not consistent with the chance hypothesis. I’ll paraphrase what a critic said in response to my innocent claim:

if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, that outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins

😯

See! I didn’t have to get bogged down into discussion of who the Intelligent Designer is, how did He do the design, etc. Critics would much rather go into those red herring discussions than go anywhere near the issue of the resemblance of design and the inadequacy of natural mechanisms to create that resemblance.

An ID proponent gains no advantage in such debates by insisting: “life can’t arise by chance, therefore the Intelligent Designer did it”. You can say you believe this statement, but you can’t formally make that inference with the same confidence you’d make with a theorem of math. And even if you could, what does it gain you, the critic won’t be more convinced nor will people on the sideline be more convinced.

It was the very fact Denton didn’t overplay his hand, that he wasn’t trying to say “God did it” at every turn of the page” (as you find in the Answers in Genesis website), that he ended up being very persuasive to me.

I prefer to say “I believe in ID, I can’t prove ID is true, but I can show that biology resembles designs and known natural processes are not expected to create that resemblance.”. With such an approach, notions like CSI will become credible whereby CSI is only a measure of resemblance to a design, it doesn’t actually mandate ID is the only explanation. And I point out, not even Bill Dembski would argue in practice that ID need be the only explanation (even though we all know he believes in his heart that it is):

Thus, a scientist may view design and its appeal to a designer as simply a fruitful device for understanding the world, not attaching any significance to questions such as whether a theory of design is in some ultimate sense true or whether the designer actually exists. Philosophers of science would call this a constructive empiricist approach to design. Scientists in the business of manufacturing theoretical entities like quarks, strings, and cold dark matter could therefore view the designer as just one more theoretical entity to be added to the list. I follow here Ludwig Wittgenstein, who wrote, “What a Copernicus or a Darwin really achieved was not the discovery of a true theory but of a fertile new point of view.”

No Free Lunch

It suffices for me that ID is a believable explanation, whether others share that belief is up to them. Nothing I do can bring the Intelligent Designer into their experiments, but I think I can argue for the resemblance of design quite forcefully. I think this strategy is empirically and theoretically defensible. I think our colleague and critic RDFish and others have made a good point about the problem of defining intelligence and how this problematic for ID.

A second point RDFIsh made is that an Intelligent Designer is always a sufficient condition to explain every phenomenon. A point I agree with. The issue is then whether there are phenomenon in principle where an Intelligent Designer is not only a sufficient explanation, but a necessary one. Do I think there are certain designs that in principle can’t be explained by natural causes? Yes. Do I think such designs appear in biology? Yes, but that is a separate post.

The point of this essay is that Resemblance of Design arguments are more defensible than ID arguments. Am I proposing we re-label ID theory? No. Its scandalous title is a good marketing point. 🙂 I am merely pointing out, I don’t feel comfortable saying, “it looks designed therefore definitely the Intelligent Designer did it”. I’m content to say, “it looks designed”. The facts of resemblance will argue for ID. Argue the facts, argue the resemblance.

Finally, if neither Denton nor Berlinski were convinced the Intelligent Designer made the designs of biology (and they are clearly ID sympathetic by most standards), why should I presume any one will automatically accept ID when presented with the facts? People make up their minds on their own whether there is a need for an Intelligent Designer, we don’t have try to draw conclusions for them. In my experience, it’s pointless to even try.

Comments
Sal,
Translation, I said way back then all sequences are equiprobable.
And then you challenged eigenstate for saying the very same thing:
That is, physics is just as plausibly the driver for “all heads” as ANY OTHER SPECIFIC OUTCOME.
Do you think (or hope) that the onlookers are stupid, Sal?keiths
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All sequences are equally probable, as even you now admit.
What do you mean, "now admit" as if I didn't previously? Look at comment #21 Dated May, 2013 (over a month ago) of the thread where all this began. I wrote : Comment #21, Siding with Mathgrrl
There is something with respect to caculating Shannon Entropy: U = I = -p(x0)log2(p(x0)) – p(x1)log2(p(x1)) – p(x2)log2(p(x2))…..p(xn)log2(p(xn)) each xi is a microstate, and there are 2^500 microstates or way that 500 coins can be configured. So, it’s rather painful to use this form of Shannon entropy where n = 2^N and N = 500! Shannon included it to be complete, but if you have the assumption that every microstate (a complete collection of 500 coins) is equally probable, you can simplify the above torturous equation to U = I = N bits = 500 bits where N is the number of coins, in this case 500. Alternatively we can simply take the number of possible microstates and take the logarithm of them. The number of microstates is 2^500, so U = I = log2(2^500) = 500 bits or alternatively we can take the probability of any specific outcome, in this case 1/2^500 and then take the alternative formula frequently used in Bill’s writings: I = -log2(P) = -log2(1/2^500) = 500 bits
Translation, I said way back then all sequences are equiprobable. You have no excuse for insinuating I said otherwise. That's what you did, that's what eigenstate did. The fact that all coins-heads has the same probability as any other exact sequence doesn't in any way mean the outcome accords with expected outcome. A point you don't seem to have learned even when I wrote: The Law of Large Numbers vs. KeithS Btw, do you agree with this statement:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, that outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins
Your silence on the matter is making a statement. :-)scordova
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And if you do make some specific claim about the cause of X – something like “the cause of X is a conscious agent” or “the cause of X can explain its intentions using grammatical language”, then ID provides no good reason to believe it is true
As I stated I think there are credible reasons for rejecting ID, but the bolded I think is a little too strong. Let us suppose for the sake of argument there was no MIND behind the design of life, that ID's major claims are actually false. The way I would word it is:
if ID was the wrong inference, it was an honest mistake because when we consider the monarch butterfly, it looked like only a genius could make such a marvel. It starts its life out as a caterpillar with a caterpillar proteome (set of proteins) and then builds a cocoon and liquefies itself and then reassembles itself with a new proteome (another set of proteins). It the can cross the atlantic, and when the butterflies migrate from north to south none are known to individually make the round trip, etc. the ID inference was an honest mistake because 1. the butterfly had a navigation system, and to engineer navigation systems, it needs to incorporate environmental data. In the case of Monarch Butterflies, this involves assessing the feasibility of using the Earth's Magnetic fields. 2. The magnetic field navigation needs sensors 3. The navigation system needs a brain, it needs a means to create magnetic field maps 4. The navigation system needs a way to be assembled from a soup like mess inside the cocoon 5. The blue print for the navigation system needs to exist even when the butterfly is in the catarpillar state so it can be assembled later inside the cocoon 6. There are dietary changes when the Monarch is a caterpillar vs. when it is a butterfly. It needs new digestive mechanisms and metabolism. 7. the navigation system is actually synergistic Wiki states:
The overwintered population of those east of the Rockies may reach as far north as Texas and Oklahoma during the spring migration. The second, third and fourth generations return to their northern locations in the United States and Canada in the spring. How the species manages to return to the same overwintering spots over a gap of several generations is still a subject of research; the flight patterns appear to be inherited, based on a combination of the position of the sun in the sky[28] and a time-compensated Sun compass that depends upon a circadian clock based in their antennae.[29][30] New research has also shown these butterflies can use the earth's magnetic field for orientation. The antennae contain cryptochrome, a photoreceptor protein sensitive to the violet-blue part of the spectrum. In presence of violet or blue light, it can function as a chemical compass, which tells the animal if it is aligned with the earth's magnetic field,
8. On top of that it can fly, but that's a whole nother complication... 9. The amount of digital information to make this incredible creature possible can't in principle be trivial but alas no Intelligent Designer was the cause of this marvel. The foresight, the genius, the skill, the nano-engineering knowledge that would humble our best minds in making this wonder was totally an artifact of a mistaken inference that a mind of unimaginable ability was needed, the real explanation is.....
I'd say, if ID is ultimately wrong, there were good reasons for making an honest mistake.scordova
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As I've already said:
Sal, Here are the facts: 1. You quotemined eigenstate in your OP. 2. You claimed that eigenstate’s statement was wrong, even including an emoticon to express your incredulity at his supposed error. 3. Here is eigenstate’s full statement — the one you chose to quote in the OP — with the parts you cut out highlighted in bold:
Maybe that’s just sloppily written, but if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, given your qualification (“fair coin”), that is outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins, and as an instance of the ensemble of outcomes that make up any statistical distribution you want to review. That is, physics is just as plausibly the driver for “all heads” as ANY OTHER SPECIFIC OUTCOME.
Eigenstate was correct. All sequences are equally probable, as even you now admit. You were wrong to dispute his statement. The error is entirely yours, and the responsibility for retracting your claim thus rests entirely with you.
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"Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." – Francis Crick (Nobel Prize Laureate in Physiology and Medicine), "What Mad Pursuit," 1990, p.138.Joe
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NR claimed
I disagree with Dawkins. Biological organisms do not look designed.
i.e. translation: 'nothing to see here, move along': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic
Bacterial Flagellum: Visualizing the Complete Machine In Situ Excerpt: Electron tomography of frozen-hydrated bacteria, combined with single particle averaging, has produced stunning images of the intact bacterial flagellum, revealing features of the rotor, stator and export apparatus. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098220602286X Electron Microscope Photograph of Flagellum Hook-Basal Body http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-08-20images/figure03.jpg Bacterial Flagellum - A Sheer Wonder Of Intelligent Design - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3994630 Souped-Up Hyper-Drive Flagellum Discovered - December 3, 2012 Excerpt: Get a load of this -- a bacterium that packs a gear-driven, seven-engine, magnetic-guided flagellar bundle that gets 0 to 300 micrometers in one second, ten times faster than E. coli. If you thought the standard bacterial flagellum made the case for intelligent design, wait till you hear the specs on MO-1,,, Harvard's mastermind of flagellum reverse engineering, this paper describes the Ferrari of flagella. "Instead of being a simple helically wound propeller driven by a rotary motor, it is a complex organelle consisting of 7 flagella and 24 fibrils that form a tight bundle enveloped by a glycoprotein sheath.... the flagella of MO-1 must rotate individually, and yet the entire bundle functions as a unit to comprise a motility organelle." To feel the Wow! factor, jump ahead to Figure 6 in the paper. It shows seven engines in one, arranged in a hexagonal array, stylized by the authors in a cross-sectional model that shows them all as gears interacting with 24 smaller gears between them. The flagella rotate one way, and the smaller gears rotate the opposite way to maximize torque while minimizing friction. Download the movie from the Supplemental Information page to see the gears in action. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/12/souped-up_flage066921.html Biologist Howard Berg at Harvard calls the Bacterial Flagellum “the most efficient machine in the universe."
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Hi RD:
In my view, the term “designed” doesn’t actually say anything specific about how X came to exist.
It says it came about via agancy involvement. And that alone changes the investigation. IOW all investigators understand that determining design is present is a big deal and quite a bit of work went into that alone.
Nothing follows from saying that “X is designed” – you don’t learn one specific thing about X, nor about what caused it.
That is totally wrong. Many things follow- who, why, how- just to name a few. Oh and then there is just studying it and all relevant evidence so that we can come to understand it. It's as if you have never conducted an investigation nor watched one on TV...Joe
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Neil Rickert:
I disagree with Dawkins. Biological organisms do not look designed.
I strongly disagree with Neil. Biological organisms definitely look designed, because they were designed. And I doubt if Neil has ever really looked.Joe
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In my view, the term “designed” doesn’t actually say anything specific about how X came to exist. Nothing follows from saying that “X is designed” – you don’t learn one specific thing about X, nor about what caused it.
A slight disagreement. We learn, or can infer what can't cause it. We have at least eliminated some possibilities. That counts for something. Denton's book is a good example of eliminating possibilities. Denton didn't come out and say ID was true. He did cast doubt on proposed mechanisms. Eliminating possibilities still advances knowledge.scordova
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That is, physics is just as plausibly the driver for “all heads” as ANY OTHER SPECIFIC OUTCOME.
I never said otherwise, so no need for me to make a retraction. But the critic's exact words:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, given your qualification (“fair coin”), that is outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins, https://uncommondescent.com/humor/the-law-of-large-numbers-vs-keiths-eigenstate-my-tsz-critics/
If I said stuff like that, I'd never hear the end of it from you guys. You should have pounced on him not me for spewing such ideas. The problem Keiths, is that I made a reasonable claim, that all 500-coins all heads is not consistent with expectation. I even cited the binomial distribution to support my point, but you guys are rarely ever willing to be seen publicly agreeing with a creationist even on a non controversial point. You'll have to insinuate, misattribute, mischaracterize what was obviously the intended meaning. The result, in attempt to critique my claim of a resemblance of design, your guy said something indefensible:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, given your qualification (“fair coin”), that is outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins, https://uncommondescent.com/humor/the-law-of-large-numbers-vs-keiths-eigenstate-my-tsz-critics/
And as others have pointed out, the coin configuration has to match one of the hypothetical possible sequences. So at best that statement is meaningless. You want me to swear by this statement:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, given your qualification (“fair coin”), that is outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins,
or this equivalent statement
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, that outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins
No dice KeithS. btw, just to be clear, is this statement correct in your view:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, that outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins
scordova
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I disagree with Dawkins. Biological organisms do not look designed. Perhaps they could be said to look as if crafted, but not designed.Neil Rickert
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Hi Sal, Changing the main claim from "X is designed" to "X appears to be designed" is not relevant to my issues with ID. In my view, the term "designed" doesn't actually say anything specific about how X came to exist. Nothing follows from saying that "X is designed" - you don't learn one specific thing about X, nor about what caused it. And if you do make some specific claim about the cause of X - something like "the cause of X is a conscious agent" or "the cause of X can explain its intentions using grammatical language", then ID provides no good reason to believe it is true. Cheers, RDFishRDFish
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Sal,
I’ll paraphrase what a critic said in response to my innocent claim:
if you have 500 flips of a fair coin that all come up heads, that outcome is perfectly consistent with fair coins
The critic was correct, as you well know. In defense of that critic, eigenstate, I wrote:
Sal, Actually, eigenstate’s phrasing is quite precise:
That is, physics is just as plausibly the driver for “all heads” as ANY OTHER SPECIFIC OUTCOME.
Every specific outcome has the same probability: 1 in 2^500. Every specific outcome — including all heads — is consistent with the physics of fair coins. Your OP claims that
Bottom line, the critic as skeptical zone is incorrect. His statement symbolizes the determination to disagree with my reasonable claim that 500 fair coins heads is inconsistent with a random physical outcome. SSDD.
The OP is wrong. The decent thing to do is to acknowledge that and correct your error.
You never did acknowledge your error and correct the OP.keiths
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Fantastic read! Thanks for posting this.KRock
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The Michael Denton issue is a mess. He accepted common descent and evolution from the beginning he never was anti-evolution. Yet countless websites claim in his first book he rejected evolution to try and discredit Denton. He always accepted common descent. His second book Nature's Destiny was influenced by Lawrence Joseph Henderson. I would say Denton is open to ID, but he has never been an ID advocate. His position would probably be classified as deistic evolution. Michael Anthony Corey is usually forgotten about in ID or Darwinist debayes but he wrote a book on deistic evolution called "Back to Darwin: The Scientific Case for Deistic Evolution" a very interesting book which argued that the evolutionary process had been designed by God and then left to run on naturalistic processes without intervention.LoneResearcher
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