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Part 3: The researchers argue that doubts about science arise from conflict with beliefs. The many COVID-19 debacles suggest other causes…

“It may not be researchers’ fault that “the science” was grievously misrepresented by others. But they still have a lot of ground to make up with the thoughtful proportion of the public. And the next insight shared is hardly going to help: “Counterintuitively, increasing someone’s general scientific literacy can actually backfire, because it provides the skill to better bolster their pre-existing beliefs. Increasing scientific reasoning and media literacy skills, prebunking, or inoculating people against misinformation are advised instead, as is framing information in line with what matters to your audience and using relatable personal experiences. – Tessa Koumondoros, “These 4 Factors Can Explain Why So Many People Are Rejecting Science” at Sciencealert (July 16, 2022) The paper requires a fee or subscription.”

This sounds so much like: Don’t rely on telling people how to think about science; try “inoculating people against misinformation” which, in the context, sounds like: Come up with more convincing propaganda.

The trouble is, the COVID pandemic was practically a laboratory experiment in watching claims about science self-destruct. People who noticed probably won’t forget. And their science literacy may well have increased in a way no one anticipated: a much deeper agnosticism about claims made in science’s name.

News, “Researchers: If we tell folks more about science, they trust less” at Mind Matters News (July 20, 2022)

Takehome: Generally, the remedy for loss of trust after widespread failures is reform of the system, not reform of its doubters. Post-COVID, scientists should take heed.

Note: The paper itself, which requires a subscription, is “Why are people antiscience, and what can we do about it?” by Aviva Philipp-Muller, Spike W. S. Lee, and Richard E. Petty, July 12, 2022, PNAS 119 (30) e2120755119 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2120755119


Here are Parts 1 and 2:

Why many now reject science… do you really want to know? COVID demonstrated — as nothing else could — that the “science” was all over the map and didn’t help people avoid panic. As the panic receded, the government started setting up a disinformation board to target NON-government sources of panic, thus deepening loss of trust.

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Researchers: Distrust of science is due to tribal loyalty. In Part 2 of 4, we look at a claim arising from a recent study: We blindly believe those we identify with, ignoring the wisdom of science. There seems to be no recognition that researchers, however fiercely competitive among themselves, also have a tribal loyalty that skews their judgment.

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Relatd: A stupid reply.
No, a truthful one. If you truly believe in freedom of speech then you have to defend pornography. You can put age restrictions on it, and pass laws against the use of coercion against the people involved (“actors”), but you can’t make it illegal without amending your constitution.JHolo
July 23, 2022
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JH at 36, A stupid reply. There were protests by parents afterwards for allowing filth in their neighborhood. In the 1960s, a neighbor dropped a box of Playboys next to his trash cans. The moms got together and disposed of them by means unknown.relatd
July 23, 2022
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Relatd: WHO allowed this [pornography]? Made it legal?
Your founding fathers, when they drafted the first amendment.JHolo
July 23, 2022
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Hmmmmm I don’t think I’m being vague more so that I just don’t wanna repeat myselfAaronS1978
July 22, 2022
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"Is your mind controlled by Joe Biden? Is anybody’s?" Relatd, It's not a question of mind control. It's a matter of doing what he says. Like a servant of sorts. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Andrew at 32, Is your mind controlled by Joe Biden? Is anybody's? I don't have your medical history in front of me so I have no answer.relatd
July 22, 2022
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"It is unclear to me exactly what some people are afraid of." On the other hand, I'd like to know what measurable effect a COVID vaccine will have on me, specifically, since I haven't decided to abdicate my judgement to Joe Biden. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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AS1978 at 30, "... the government using a pandemic to screw with us" Pretty vague, don't you think? I think for the benefit of everyone reading, a point by point breakdown of how the government is screwing with us is in order. Otherwise it's just vague grumbling. My previous post laid the groundwork for this response. As you can see by that post, normal human life in the West was the target. Normal human sexuality was the target. The birth control pill was introduced to give women the idea that sex was mostly about pleasure as opposed to mostly about babies. In the late 1960s, lesbians, gays and bisexuals began looking for permissions. 1973 - The American Psychiatric Association removes Homosexuality from their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual by vote. By vote? Allies included Marxists who were backing various causes, including radical Feminism brought out in the 1970s as well. The Democratic Party was the party of President Kennedy. A much loved President from a much loved family. The goal of the Marxists-Communists was to infiltrate and destroy what the Democratic Party stood for in the 1960s. To introduce death by abortion, by the killing of the aged and others with certain medical conditions. The latter was called by its founder/instigator a "reform." Those same people have infiltrated the government and the media, controlling almost all aspects. They've infiltrated schools at every level. To indoctrinate children and young adults to believe their lies, in Marxist class warfare and to become the new Marxists, minus the title/name, for now. It is unclear to me exactly what some people are afraid of. Aside from some specific incidents mentioned here, none of the people I know suffered any negative health effects from the two vaccines most widely available. Taking the journalist perspective, based on my research, which goes beyond the so-called "mainstream" media, it is not clear what is going on. That those with a great deal of money have capitalized on the current health crisis is true beyond a doubt, but other details remain unconfirmed. If there is an ongoing plot against the people it cannot be proved in a court of law, again, based on my research. This is not a "different era." We are seeing the end result of a gradual spread of Marxist-Communist teaching coming through most media and taught in most schools. The government of the United States was infiltrated by Marxists and they are in control of one party. I cannot trust that party since they are consistent about what they stand for. To put it another way, the future does not just appear one day. It was built slowly, over time, until it revealed its current form. It was always there but held back until now.relatd
July 22, 2022
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First of all saying that I meant something because you said so does it mean that I meant it, please refrain from doing that. Second of all again Your comment of “obey the masters” was simply to mock my original comment and an attempt to make it seem silly, this overdramatizing what I said Psychologists study obedience all the time without being anybody’s “master” Now I’m not quite exactly sure where you’re going with your last post but my answer is “who is the government for 500 Trebek” I mean what you posted kind of makes it seem like I’m right the government does screw around with you and they’re screwing around with us right now Are you saying that we can’t really trust them but we can trust them with our health? Why would they be so dishonest with absolutely everything that you posted from pornography to baby murder and then be 100% honest with mandating vaccines and our bodily Health? Maybe I’m just not quite picking up what you are putting down And nothing you posted invalidates my comment that it’s a completely different era with a totally different government that is very liberal and they’re the ones pushing most of the nonsense with this pandemic By the way I agree with most of what you said at 29 I’m just not sure really what it has to do with what I originally posted about the government using a pandemic to screw with usAaronS1978
July 22, 2022
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AS1978 at 27, You didn't mean something when, in fact, you did. "be obedient" to who? That means nothing if there is no person or entity a person is "being obedient" to. That's my point. Please, and I mean this politely, my answer will always be what it "really is." In the 1960s, the United States was more cohesive. We were told by the government about our Judeo-Christian Heritage. I would see commercials encouraging all of us to go to Church or Synagogue. We were on our way to the moon. The London Times was pessimistic about our chances of getting there by the end of the decade. However, in 1945, a fire hose was let loose. Babies were appearing at an "alarming" rate. By the end of the 1940s, builders had built cookie-cutter neighborhoods all over the U.S. Somehow, this Baby Boom reached an arbitrary end in 1964. What happened in 1964? By 1952, pornographers were getting the results they were looking for. By 1957, another milestone was reached. Perverting normal human sexuality was the goal. As a boy, I was surrounded by all ages. I saw how the process worked but was only dimly aware of some details, as I should have been. By the time I was a young adult, those details came into sharper focus. I was off to college, a job and possible marriage just like the generation before me. But others who hated normal life were waiting in the wings. Waiting for their chance to tear it down. 1960 - The FDA approves the birth control pill. Most women do not want or need it but some felt the need to slow the flow of babies. It's only available by prescription. 1965 - The U.S. Supreme Court rules for the use of contraception in Griswold v. Connecticut. The case involved a Connecticut "Comstock law" that prohibited any person from using "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception". The court held that the statute was unconstitutional, and that its effect was "to deny disadvantaged citizens ... access to medical assistance and up-to-date information in respect to proper methods of birth control." Medical assistance? In the 1950s, the average number of kids in my neighborhood was 2 not 10. Somehow, married couples knew something that artificial birth control would NOT give them 'assistance' with. The goal was to slow the flow of babies into the population. 1967 - Time magazine runs a cover story about The Pill. At the top of the page: Contraception: Freedom From Fear. Fear of what? Babies. A lie. Because if it were true then women would stop giving birth? Does that make sense? Of course not. 1968 - The National Association for the Repeal Of Abortion Laws is founded. They lied to the American people and the press. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource/55401/an-ex-abortionist-speaks 1973 - The U.S. Supreme Court stabs the entire country in the back by legalizing permissive abortion. But Jane Roe in Roe v Wade never got an abortion. Her real name was Norma McCorvey. She became pro-life. But for those who wanted this - a great victory had been achieved. The ultimate form of birth control was now law. Meanwhile, so-called Adult Bookstores appear everywhere selling graphic images of sexual activity. The worst was a thick magazine containing ads with nude and partly nude photos of women looking for no strings attached sex and their contact information. WHO allowed this? Made it legal?relatd
July 22, 2022
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"Not made sterile. Didn’t die. Didn’t pay for it" Me neither, Relatd. Andrewasauber
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@26 I didn’t say submit to the master I just said see you if you’d be obedient No need to overdramatize that And good for you I’m glad that you had no awful side effects from a vaccine. I had multiple friends have many issues with the Covid vaccine, one had to go to the hospital because she got really sick, the other one had a immediate relapse with her MS, that was really awful, Another one had a serious heart condition and he was in the hospital for a week. All of my friends the got that CV still got Covid and still got pretty ill So I’m happy you didn’t have any side effects I understand that you probably got the polio vaccine when it was mandated and I will tell you that is an entirely different time than what we are dealing with today, the leader ship back then versus the leader ship of today are completely different and have completely different agendas I understand your comparison but can you really trust the government that we are dealing with right now and if you are as conservative as I’ve seen you on your post I know what your answer really isAaronS1978
July 22, 2022
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AS1978 at 25, Obey the Masters? Seriously? And from where does this thought arise? Long before "the virus," people submitted to various vaccines in order to travel. Kids in school got vaccinated. In the early 1960s, in school, I was sent to a room with the rest of my class. Injection guns were suspended from the ceiling, attached to coiled hoses. It was pressed against my shoulder and fired. Not made sterile. Didn't die. Didn't pay for it.relatd
July 22, 2022
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@22 Nah, make lots of money off of you, see if you will do as they say, experiment with you, maybe sterilize you, but honestly I think it’s money and obedience. I mean really it was the Democrats it that pushed the hell out of the vaccine more than anything and called everybody stupid for not getting it And Biden has lied multiple times from no we’re not going to mandate the vaccine to months later after elected “we’re mandating the vaccine” And what happened is it crunched our economy and wrecked jobs So if it just so happens to be that you have a socialistic agenda and you want something that might actually wreck the economy enough to have to implement your special brand of economics to save it, mandating a shitty ass vaccine, and taking advantage of a mediocre pandemic is a good way to do itAaronS1978
July 22, 2022
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Andrew at 23, A sad reply. You can't be bothered. Fine. Too bad.relatd
July 22, 2022
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"Why are they lying to you?" Relatd, Don't know. Don't need to know. Ask the liars if you want to know. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Andrwe at 21, Why are they lying to you? Why? So they can kill you? Inject a microchip - not like your cell phone already has built-in tracking so 'they' can know when you go to the gas station, and other secret things.relatd
July 22, 2022
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"In the case of “the virus,” what is that exactly? You don’t like masks. Vaccines are right out. So, what do you do?" Relatd, There are many viruses, so you are under a misunderstanding. I wear a mask if asked to. I don't hang out with sick people. I wash my hands frequently. I eat healthy and exercise. My philosophy is don't take unnecessary drugs. Is the COVID vaccine necessary? Haven't seen any evidence that it is. Just a lot of talk from liars. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Andrew at 19, In the case of "the virus," what is that exactly? You don't like masks. Vaccines are right out. So, what do you do?relatd
July 22, 2022
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"You seem to think that a magic/imaginary bubble protects you from exposure." Relatd, I don't think that, for the record. I take reasonable precautions against exposing myself to diseases. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Andrew at 16, Guess what? You still haven't explained anything, really. Whatever may have happened with the Pfizer vaccine happened. If true, and I doubt it, fine. You seem to think that a magic/imaginary bubble protects you from exposure. As I wrote earlier, I've actually dealt with patients in quarantine. I wish you the best.relatd
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"I could care less about “videos.” I could dress like a doctor" Relatd, It wasn't a doctor, it was the President. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Relatd, If you watch the video AaronS1978 links, you'll see Pres Biden stating that you won't get COVID if you get the vaccinations, which is an obvious lie. If the Pres of the USA lies to you about what the vaccine does, so are the many other people who say the same thing. I don't know about you, but I tend not to do what liars say. You might be different. God help you, then. Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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Tennessee House Hearing Room - Dr. Ryan Cole and Dr John Latell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhkT99Xa2YE&t=211s
30:29 once the data came in after one month of Pfizer data and we saw 1200 deaths in one month we knew right away that something was gravely wrong. When a vaccine has 25 to 50 deaths, it's pulled off the market. When Pfizer had 1200 in one month it should have been pulled off the market.
Silver Asiatic
July 22, 2022
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Andrew at 12, I could care less about "videos." I could dress like a doctor, say a bunch of complicated things and follow that with "vaccines bad - don't take them." I talk to real, actual people - in person. I don't waste my time with videos.relatd
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Andrew at 11, You want to believe what you want to believe. Too bad. You think 'they' are out to get you? Fine. But don't tell other people what to do. Don't tell others to not trust doctors. Unless, of course, you can tell me - and others - exactly where you get this nonsense. I took the vaccine. I'm fine. Nothing happened. I know people who have gotten the virus. I work with evidence. Facts. That's what people need right now. If there is a Conspiracy - go ahead, provide the details. "a lot of people won't get them"? How do you know this? An image in your head? What are YOU talking about? Hundreds? Thousands won't get the vaccine? And no one - absolutely no one is at risk?relatd
July 22, 2022
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Relatd, Didn't you watch the video AaronS1978 linked? Andrewasauber
July 22, 2022
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"People I know have gotten the vaccine and the booster. And lived." Relatd, A member of my wife's family was vaccinated. Got COVID anyway and died from it allegedly. I don't know what the "vaccines" do, and neither do you. That's why a lot of people won't get them. Andrewasauber
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Andrew at 9, You don't get it. I'm not letting this go. You are talking like a fanatic as opposed to a rational person. A fanatic believes what he believes. And what do you believe? Vaccines will kill you? Make you sterile? Where did you hear that? From Bob Nobody on the internet? And if you do what you want, I will tell you what I know. People I know have gotten the vaccine and the booster. And lived. So watch what you say. You might mislead someone.relatd
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"words are not going to help them" Maybe the masks won't either. Or the "vaccines" and "boosters". Andrewasauber
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