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COVID demonstrated — as nothing else could — that the “science” was all over the map and didn’t help people avoid panic:

Science-sponsored panic probably drove up the damage from COVID. Jay Richards, one of the authors of The Price of Panic: How the Tyranny of Experts Turned a Pandemic into a Catastrophe (October 2020), has noted, “In working on the book, we watched social media and platforms such as Google Search manipulate news coverage of the pandemic. It was, honestly, terrifying to watch important stories and studies get buried in real time on Google searches. It was also distressing to watch Twitter and Facebook attach warnings to the advice and viewpoint of scientists who urged calm and caution, while boosting the views of “officials” such as Anthony Fauci and WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom.”

And, just as most of the world was getting the impression that the pandemic — and the panic — had largely run their course, up pops a proposal in 2021 for a “reality czar” to fight disinformation and misinformation, as if all of that were coming from non-government or non-science sources. The proposal was (we are told) put on hold after the fear of just consequences prevailed.

News, “Why many now reject science… do you really want to know?” at Mind Matters News (July 17, 2022)

Takehome: As the panic receded, the government started setting up a disinformation board to target NON-government sources of panic, thus deepening loss of trust.


You may also wish to read: Did social media panic drive up the damage from COVID-19? Richards: It was, honestly, terrifying to watch important stories and studies get buried in real time on Google searches. Social media did a very good job of panicking the population about COVID-19, instead of relaying facts, says Jay Richards, an author of The Price of Panic.

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No one on the "we are all doomed" side has responded to my post stating the facts not predictions that although temperatures possibly have risen by 1.5 deg C in the last 150 years , we are all richer , healthier , better fed and safer from climate disasters . Not one of them has expressed a preference to live 150 years ago, without the huge benefits which fossil fuels have brought to mankind , we live like kings compared to people just 100 years ago. Please , please someone tell me what the issue is I just cannot see it behind , my car , motorcycle , golf , central heating , vacations, food every day , education , hospital , medicines , air conditioning , computer , job, NOT DYING FROM FAMINE, FLOOD, HURRICANE, etc etc please tell me how better thing would have been for me if we did not use fossil fuels and how great it would be for me if the global temp had not risen by 1.5 deg CMarfin
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JH, you presented a chain of arrows, 171: "Greenhouse gases ==> global warming ==> climate change is the scientific inquiry." Precisely because of what an arrow is used for, and given other dynamical factors such as I pointed out, that is most ill advised. Further, as noted above, climate by definition is a 30 or 33 year moving average and necessarily always changes. The issue is trends, dynamics, causes and structural patterns, hence considerations as noted. There is far too much trust in simplistic models and in a claimed consensus when it is an easily established fact that science does not work by the politics of alleged consensus [= collective authority and power balances of factions], at least not well. KFkairosfocus
July 21, 2022
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Big oil? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-yearsAlan Fox
July 21, 2022
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Al Gore, another climate change grifter. Gotta love the climate czar John Kerry as well with his mansions, yachts, cars and his private jet. He has a carbon footprint bigger than King Kong. Vividvividbleau
July 21, 2022
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@Vividbleau 180. That Al Gore remark misrepresenting/misunderstanding someone else's prediction doesn't pass a fact check.Alan Fox
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I especially liked this one from the UN. “1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000” Vividvividbleau
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You have not lived until you have tried soylent green on a Ritz cracker. A low salt Ritz, of course.JHolo
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Relatd @ 170- If we don't get a handle on the real problems, like killing the soil, trash, and animal agriculture, we are doomed to failure. Unless of course there is synthetic food, insects and soylent green.ET
July 21, 2022
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Regional difficulties, Alan. Humans made a bad situation worse.ET
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Follow the money, climate change is a 1.5 trillion dollar industry based off one failed prediction after another. It is nothing but a power grab. Always ask yourself “who benefits”? Watching the unfounded hysteria reminds me of the tulip craze, the Salem witch trials, the crusades,the Mississippi scheme and many other popular delusions and the madness of crowds. Human nature never changes it just expresses itself in different ways. https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/20/nolte-climate-experts-are-0-41-with-their-doomsday-predictions/ Vividvividbleau
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Lake Mead?Alan Fox
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KF: The model you suggest is too simple. KF
It wasn’t intended as a model. I just raised the issue to point out that the term “global warming” is appropriate when referring to trends in temperature, and “climate change” when referring to the far more complicated and chaotic consequences of an increasing temperature trend. They are not used, as the cynics here imply, as some rhetorical game.JHolo
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JH, systemic interactions and degenerative vs regenerative feedbacks and nonlinearities are also material. It is no accident that one of the early cases of chaos had to do with atmosphere/weather modelling. The model you suggest is too simple. KFkairosfocus
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JH at 171, There is no evidence "climate change" or "global warming" is occurring.relatd
July 21, 2022
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Andrew: It’s the talking points that JH is devoted to, not scientific inquiry.
Greenhouse gases ==> global warming ==> climate change is the scientific inquiry. Claiming that scientists switch from “global warming” to “climate change for political reasons is playing the rhetorical talking points game.JHolo
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ET at 169, Pardon the reply but so what? Please answer the question: Is everyone going to die soon? As in the next year or two? Recent past reports, allegedly from scientists, stated that we have "passed the point of no return" already. That's all the average person cares about. Will I die soon - within one to two years.relatd
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Relatd- It means that 92% of the IR emitted by the earth is unaffected by CO2. It's like having a cargo net for a roof and ceiling. That is why it gets so cold in deserts at night. CO2 is the primary GHG in deserts. On the other end, humidity prevents the 120F we see in deserts, it's also the main GHG in those regions and why it stays warmer at night there than in deserts.ET
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Seversky at 155, I want you to contact all owners of Florida beachfront property. Tell them sea levels are rising and to abandon their homes now. Do it. That way I can turn them around and sell them for a profit.relatd
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ET at 166, Which means what in average, everyday person terms? I doubt the average person discusses infrared wavelengths.relatd
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CO2 only has an effect on 8% of the infrared the earth emits. IR is fully absorbed by CO2 @ 2.7, 4.3 and 15 micrometers. 15 is the only significant thermal IR wavelength. See here for the detailsET
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F/N: With the Cuban crisis, the world came to within 12 hours of a nuclear exchange. At some point the 1973 ME war could have been close. KFkairosfocus
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Again, all glaciers are dirty. And it is well known that dirty snow or ice will melt even when the ambient temperature is below freezing. It's called the albedo effect. Glaciers melting doesn't have anything to do with atmospheric CO2 concentrations.ET
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Oh please. Is this a "discussion" or just more confusion? Example: "It could be this, but then again, it could be that." That's not science or a real discussion.relatd
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The Himalayas could prove me wrong as there is discussion about some Himalayan glaciers growing. https://eos.org/articles/himalayas-are-experiencing-an-exceptional-loss-of-glacial-massAlan Fox
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https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/one-part-of-greenland-ice-growing but on reading the article, it's not good news.Alan Fox
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Alan, Right. The word you used was “all”. Andrew
Yes. All glaciers remaining in the Pyrenees (the mountains I can see from my terrace) are retreating rapidly. I wonder if there are glaciers elsewhere that are growing. I haven't researched that so let me try a prediction first. Glaciers are no longer growing in any mountain range, currently. Now, I'll see if I can find an exception.Alan Fox
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Relatd @153,
I completely disagree with 8. No one knows. Literally no one knows. I did read the early How to Fiddle With The Climate ideas. They ran from ridiculous to more ridiculous. Most people have no clue how climate works.
Ok, I concede that 8 was a bit overstated. I should have written the following: "Previous climate interventions proposed by eminent scientists had a strong likelihood of disastrous consequences. For example, nuking the poles to avoid a new ice age or nuking hurricanes traveling across the Atlantic toward the U.S. would likely have had negative consequences for humanity." Is that any better? -QQuerius
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"I didn’t name the mountain range" Alan, Right. The word you used was "all". Andrewasauber
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It’s all too late, anyway. I wish I was wrong but here we are.
What do you mean "it's too late"? What does that mean and how do you know it?Silver Asiatic
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We’re being spammed by an unending stream of vacuous posts by a suspiciously familiar trollbot now named “Alan Fox.”
Now named? I've had the name, Alan Fox, since forever. It's on my birth certificate. Bet your mum didn't call you Querius. Just sayin,Alan Fox
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