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A couple of days ago I posted my opening statement to a formal online debate I’m currently engaged in with Christian neo-Darwinist Francis Smallwood at Musings Of A Scientific Nature. My opening statement can be found here, and his here. What follows are my opening thoughts on the question whether ID is ‘creationism in a cheap tuxedo’, or a valid scientific theory. At the bottom of this post you can find a link to Francis’ first response to me on his blog.

Is Intelligent Design science or ‘creationism in a cheap tuxedo?

Joshua Gidney-Opening

As I have already outlined in my opening statements, intelligent design theory states ‘that there are tell-tale features of living systems and the universe that are best explained by an intelligent cause…’1 ID theorists also claim that the theory is a scientific one, ‘…an inference from scientific evidence, not a deduction from religious authority.’2 The question whether ID theory is scientific or just creationism is one that provokes much, if not most, of the discussion on this issue and it is a lot rarer to hear measured, rigorous debate about whether the theory has the empirical evidence on its side. Because of this it only seems necessary to sweep away some of these caricatures and straw men in order for us to discuss the validity of the methods by which we can detect design and what the empirical evidence itself suggests. In this part of the discussion, I will argue that ID is indeed a legitimate scientific theory and will attempt to defend it against claims to the contrary. I will also attempt to defend it against the common accusation that it is a synonymous with biblical creationism.

One of my prevailing irritations when it comes to discussions about ID is the fact that it is so frequently misunderstood and misrepresented by many critics and the media, sometimes shamelessly so. I held this position even when I rejected ID. As a result, many people tend to look upon it with much suspicion and unwarranted scepticism. Whilst ID advocates have been largely consistent and clear in their claims, they are often met with accusations of being fringe lunatics, fraudsters, and stealth creationists. The infamous 2005 Dover trial in Pennsylvania had a huge impact on the public perception of ID, where Judge Jones ruled it out as being a religious doctrine and not scientific. Since ID had falsely been given the religious label, and was being used by a group of creationists to get it into school science classes, it was ruled out as being unconstitutional, violating Church-state separation. It was a public relations disaster. Unfortunately one of the most common rhetorical moves used by critics is when they illegitimately equate ID with biblical creationism in order to discredit it. It was famously labelled ‘creationism in a cheap tuxedo.’3 by Leonard Krishtalka.

In Charles Foster’s book The Selfless Gene: Living with God and Darwin, he asserts that intelligent design is ‘The currently fashionable fig-leaf to cover the nakedness of creationism…’4 This asseveration echoes the sentiments of most ID critics but it is plainly a gross mischaracterization. ID theory is solely based on what theorists believe to be empirical evidence and mentions nothing of God, theology, or any religious belief in its premises. It should be pointed out that ID is quite a broad tent because amongst its supporters are Young Earth and Old Earth creationists, Jews, Muslims, agnostics, and it is even technically possible for ID to be embraced by those who hold to an atheistic worldview because design theory is ‘a philosophically minimalistic position’5 and thus carries ‘minimal metaphysical baggage…’6 Even though there are people within the design community who advocate biblical literalism and Young Earth creationism, this does not mean that ID is based upon any religious doctrine.

My own acceptance of ID was not the result of a theological reading. It was the result of a long, arduous, and detailed look at the arguments and evidence. The leading theorists in the ID movement also testify to coming to their position by looking at the empirical evidence and finding out that Neo-Darwinism has many deficiencies. One of the movement’s most prominent figures is Michael Behe. He recalls that one of the reasons he came to his position was through reading Michael Denton’s book Evolution: A Theory In Crisis. Denton is a Biochemist and an agnostic.7 Through Behe’s scientific research he noticed evidence of ID in Biochemistry. From this observation it should be plainly clear that Behe did not come to his position by scrutinising the Gospels through his microscope! ID is not creationism and critics would do well to acknowledge this. It is no fig-leaf and it is hiding nothing.

As ID theorist Steven Meyer writes ‘there are no good-non—question begging-reasons to define intelligent design as unscientific.’8 When considering the scientific status of ID, it is necessary to look in detail at what science is and isn’t. This necessarily involves much philosophy of science because science cannot answer the question itself. One way to help us the answer the question is to look at the history of philosophy and science. It is important to note first of all that throughout history the word science has meant different things and has changed considerably. Science in the early modern period simply referred to the study of nature and was called natural philosophy. Natural philosophers were permitted to appeal to all four of Aristotle’s four causes, which Aristotle thought were necessary in order to truly explain things in nature. It wasn’t until figures like Rene Descartes, Francis Bacon, and Thomas Hobbes that the rejection of final and formal causes was proposed, eliminating reference to function and teleology. When one speaks of science these days, it almost always refers exclusively to the natural sciences and it now seems to be largely equated with the principle of methodological naturalism, a principle I will examine in detail in subsequent responses.

One of the biggest myths about the sciences is that they speak with a single unified voice and that it has a set of principles that are uniform throughout the sciences. The truth is that natural science is very diverse and certain concepts need to be distinguished from one another. It seems that there are several categories in which different scientific fields fall into although many of them overlap: Experimental, observational, historical, and origins. Some unifying features of the sciences are that they are based on public evidence, they can be confirmed and tested empirically, are systematic, and use standard methods of reasoning. ID does conform to these principles and is based on publicly available evidence, is testable, makes predictions, and although falsifiable, this is not a necessary or a sufficient condition for a theory to count as science.

I realise that here I have only touched the surface of this topic and in my following response I will delve deeper into the principle of methodological naturalism and ID’s status as a scientific theory.

 References

  1. Stephen C. Meyer. Signature In The Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. (New York: HarperCollins. 2009). p. 4.
  2. Ibid.
  3. Leonard Krishtalka. Quoted by Gleen Branch in ‘Human Nature After Darwin by Janet Radcliffe Richards’. Philosophy Now. 40. March/April 2003, p.44.
  4. Charles Foster. The Selfless Gene: Living With God and Darwin. (Great Britain: Hodder & Stoughton. 2009). p.XIV
  5. Marcus R. Ross. Intelligent Design and Young Earth Creationism: Investigating Nested Hierarchies of Philosophy and Belief. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/finalprogram/abstract_58668.htm
  6. Peter S. Williams. I Wish I Could Believe In Meaning: A Response to Nihilism. (Southampton: Damaris Publishing. 2004). p. 349
  7. Unlocking the Mystery of Life: The Scientific Case for Intelligent Design. (Illustra Media. 2002)
  8. Stephen C. Meyer. Signature In The Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. (New York: HarperCollins. 2009). p. 421

    Here is the 1st response from Francis:

    http://musingsofscience.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/debating-darwin-and-design-science-or-creationism-2-2/

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@ba77 We both hold just about the same position. But I disagree that theism is "required". Can't deism also create a rational universe conducive to science?JoeCoder
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Eric, not to seem contrary, since I'm pretty sure you agree with the overriding point, but I hope that it is clear for everyone else that evolution, or any other scientific theory that may be put forth, cannot possibly be considered a 'valid scientific question' in the first place unless Theism is held as true as a starting assumption. It is simply impossible to maintain a sound epistemological basis otherwise. That may ruffle a few atheistic feathers but that is simply the way that it is!
“Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning...” CS Lewis – Mere Christianity Philosopher Sticks Up for God Excerpt: Theism, with its vision of an orderly universe superintended by a God who created rational-minded creatures in his own image, “is vastly more hospitable to science than naturalism,” with its random process of natural selection, he (Plantinga) writes. “Indeed, it is theism, not naturalism, that deserves to be called ‘the scientific worldview.’” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/books/alvin-plantingas-new-book-on-god-and-science.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Modern science was conceived, and born, and flourished in the matrix of Christian theism. Only liberal doses of self-deception and double-think, I believe, will permit it to flourish in the context of Darwinian naturalism. ~ Alvin Plantinga
This following site is a easy to use, and understand, interactive website that takes the user through what is termed 'Presuppositional apologetics'. The website clearly shows that our use of the laws of logic, mathematics, science and morality cannot be accounted for unless we believe in God who guarantees our perceptions and reasoning are trustworthy in the first place.
Presuppositional Apologetics - easy to use interactive website http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php
bornagain77
September 12, 2012
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ba77 @9: Let me be clear. There is a difference between saying something is a valid scientific question and saying that the question has been answered in the affirmative by the evidence. Meyer is accepting the former and rejecting the latter (as do I) with respect to the following question: Is it possible that blind, undirected, natural processes could result in the formation of life and its subsequent development and diversity on the Earth? The question is a perfectly objective and scientific one. When one closely examines the evidence, however, the answer to the question is a resounding "No."Eric Anderson
September 12, 2012
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Eric you stated that:
I should add that Meyer would disagree with those who claim evolution is unscientific (at least in terms of its basic claims; the atheistic philosophical assumptions that sometimes lie behind certain discussions is a separate matter).
I guess as long as it is alright ignore the foundational presuppositions of a supposed scientific theory then you can build as many castles in the air as you want and call it scientific. Notes:
Murray Eden, as reported in “Heresy in the Halls of Biology: Mathematicians Question Darwinism,” Scientific Research, November 1967, p. 64. “It is our contention that if ‘random’ is given a serious and crucial interpretation from a probabilistic point of view, the randomness postulate is highly implausible and that an adequate scientific theory of evolution must await the discovery and elucidation of new natural laws—physical, physico-chemical, and biological.” Murray Eden, “Inadequacies of Neo-Darwinian Evolution as a Scientific Theory,” Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution, editors Paul S. Moorhead and Martin M. Kaplan, June 1967, p. 109. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ReferencesandNotes32.html Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Wolfgang Pauli on the Empirical Problems with Neo-Darwinism - Casey Luskin - February 27, 2012 Excerpt: "In discussions with biologists I met large difficulties when they apply the concept of 'natural selection' in a rather wide field, without being able to estimate the probability of the occurrence in a empirically given time of just those events, which have been important for the biological evolution. Treating the empirical time scale of the evolution theoretically as infinity they have then an easy game, apparently to avoid the concept of purposesiveness. While they pretend to stay in this way completely 'scientific' and 'rational,' they become actually very irrational, particularly because they use the word 'chance', not any longer combined with estimations of a mathematically defined probability, in its application to very rare single events more or less synonymous with the old word 'miracle.'" Wolfgang Pauli (pp. 27-28) - http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/nobel_prize-win056771.html Evolution and the Illusion of Randomness - Talbott - Fall 2011 Excerpt: The situation calls to mind a widely circulated cartoon by Sidney Harris, which shows two scientists in front of a blackboard on which a body of theory has been traced out with the usual tangle of symbols, arrows, equations, and so on. But there’s a gap in the reasoning at one point, filled by the words, “Then a miracle occurs.” And the one scientist is saying to the other, “I think you should be more explicit here in step two.” In the case of evolution, I picture Dennett and Dawkins filling the blackboard with their vivid descriptions of living, highly regulated, coordinated, integrated, and intensely meaningful biological processes, and then inserting a small, mysterious gap in the middle, along with the words, “Here something random occurs.” This “something random” looks every bit as wishful as the appeal to a miracle. It is the central miracle in a gospel of meaninglessness, a “Randomness of the gaps,” demanding an extraordinarily blind faith. At the very least, we have a right to ask, “Can you be a little more explicit here?” http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/evolution-and-the-illusion-of-randomness
In fact there recently was a bit of a dust up between the prominent philosophers William Lane Craig, Alvin Plantinga one one side and between Jay Richards, Casey Luskin of DI on the other side on the exact meaning of randomness:
Unguided or Not? How Do Darwinian Evolutionists Define Their Theory? - Casey Luskin - August 11, 2012 Excerpt: While many new atheists undoubtedly make poor philosophers, the "unguided" nature of Darwinian evolution is not a mere metaphysical "add on." Rather, it's a core part of how the theory of Darwinian evolution has been defined by its leading proponents. Unfortunately, even some eminent theistic and intelligent design-friendly philosophers appear unaware of the history and scientific development of neo-Darwinian theory. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/08/unguided_or_not_1063191.html
Myself, I think the primary 'source for randomness' in the universe is fairly easy to find and though it is Theistic in its origin, this 'source for randomness' certainly provides no comfort for atheists:
Blackholes - The neo-Darwinian ‘god of entropic randomness’ which can create all things (at least according to them) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fxhJEGNeEQ_sn4ngQWmeBt1YuyOs8AQcUrzBRo7wISw/edit
Further notes:
Random Chaos vs. Uniformity Of Nature - Presuppositional Apologetics - video http://www.metacafe.com/w/6853139 The Great Debate: Does God Exist? - Justin Holcomb - audio of the 1985 debate available on the site Excerpt: The transcendental proof for God’s existence is that without Him it is impossible to prove anything. The atheist worldview is irrational and cannot consistently provide the preconditions of intelligible experience, science, logic, or morality. The atheist worldview cannot allow for laws of logic, the uniformity of nature, the ability for the mind to understand the world, and moral absolutes. In that sense the atheist worldview cannot account for our debate tonight.,,, http://theresurgence.com/2012/01/17/the-great-debate-does-god-exist Epistemology – Why Should The Human Mind Even Be Able To Comprehend Reality? – Stephen Meyer - video – (Notes in description) http://vimeo.com/32145998 BRUCE GORDON: Hawking's irrational arguments - October 2010 Excerpt: What is worse, multiplying without limit the opportunities for any event to happen in the context of a multiverse - where it is alleged that anything can spontaneously jump into existence without cause - produces a situation in which no absurdity is beyond the pale. For instance, we find multiverse cosmologists debating the "Boltzmann Brain" problem: In the most "reasonable" models for a multiverse, it is immeasurably more likely that our consciousness is associated with a brain that has spontaneously fluctuated into existence in the quantum vacuum than it is that we have parents and exist in an orderly universe with a 13.7 billion-year history. This is absurd. The multiverse hypothesis is therefore falsified because it renders false what we know to be true about ourselves. Clearly, embracing the multiverse idea entails a nihilistic irrationality that destroys the very possibility of science. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/1/hawking-irrational-arguments/
bornagain77
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as to:
"accusations of being fringe lunatics,"
Well I've been called many things by Darwinists but never that. In fact the last time I heard that term, "fringe lunatics", was by Raymond Rogers, the lead Chemist on the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), which is the term he used for people who doubted the carbon dating of the Shroud and came up with outlandish theories to explain it away. Well it turned out that Raymond Rogers ended up being the very one who overturned the Carbon Dating:
Shroud of Turin - Carbon 14 test proves false (with Raymond Rogers, lead chemist from the STURP project) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDdx6vxthE
bornagain77
September 12, 2012
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First, I read Joshua G opening with a talk about how ID is misrepresented. Then I read Smallwood's opener where he features a lawyer successfully peppering Behe with questions about the origin of life, only for Smallwood to turn around and claim it a victory for evolution. Hello? There is no thing that can embarrass an ID critic.Upright BiPed
September 11, 2012
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I wrote this response on Francis Smallwood's blog. Also posting here in case anyone finds it interesting: What is the mechanism behind the strong nuclear force? It's a fundamental force of the universe, it's "just the way it is", or even "magic" if you prefer, as unsettling as that is. Shall we then call it non-science? Of course not. But perhaps in the future we will find something else that explains it, something below it that may just be, falsifying it as a fundamental property. It is then falsified. Likewise with ID. --------------- A federal judge has ruled that life begins at conception, and although I am strongly pro life, I do not cite this as bearing any weight in the debate. Neither does the decision of judge Jones.JoeCoder
September 11, 2012
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I’m glad to see you reference Meyer. He has laid out in considerable detail the scientific equivalence of design and evolution in Signature in the Cell.
Did Liddle ever finish reading it and publish her remarks? lol. amazing what a quick search turns up: Upright BiPed:
I challenged Mr Saunders to attack the semiotic argument for design, perhaps teasing him a bit about being able to provide a more substantive response than either Larry Moran or Dr Liddle. I suppose I was hoping that a bit of gratuitous tempting would motivate him to actually address the physical evidence instead of just folding his cards. Alas, my hopes were dashed. He simply said it “makes little sense”.
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/on-signature-in-the-cell-robert-saunders-still-doesnt-get-it/#comment-411069Mung
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To begin with, I sure like your method of verifying humanness! Perhaps a machine could be "intelligently designed" to give a correct answer, but your method sure beats the blotched, run-together and generally illegible "Captcha" boxes on most web sites. I believe we should not allow the ID opponents any quarter in defining the word "Creationism". What they wish is a strict definition of Creationism that is "ex-nihilo" and to exclude all other creation, while accepting society's use of the word "creation". (Example - "scientists were honored for "creation" of genetically-modified corn to yield increased ethanol output"). Intelligent agents constantly "create", but not "ex-nihilo" as believers in the Judeo-Christian God accept for (God's) origin of the Space-Time Continuum. ID does not postulate "ex-nihilo" creation. Just for the record - I am an "Ex-Nihilo Creationist". I think one of the most damning evidences that the miso-theist/neo-darwinist crowd needs to explain is why SETI looks for ordered patterns of radio signals from Deep Space as evidence of intelligence, all the while ignoring the ID patterns of specified complexity which envelope the conscious human experience. I used to tell my computer students not to be overwhelmed by stupid computers with their high-speed ability to create Boolean solutions out of 1's and 0's etched in silicon, but to instead get excited about the collective genius in mankind to put these patterns together in meaningful ways. Perhaps the resistance to ID for many people is that in accepting the plausibility of ID one cannot forever duck the portentous big-time philosophical questions of Metaphysics, Morality and Epistemology. Atheists who are Neo-Darwinists are better at finessing such questions with non-answers.Dave Gregfater
September 11, 2012
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I'm glad to see you reference Meyer. He has laid out in considerable detail the scientific equivalence of design and evolution in Signature in the Cell. Incidentally, I should add that Meyer would disagree with those who claim evolution is unscientific (at least in terms of its basic claims; the atheistic philosophical assumptions that sometimes lie behind certain discussions is a separate matter). In any event, his detailed analysis is very useful, both for making the case that design is scientific and for reminding us that evolution can also be a valid scientific inquiry. Meyer argues, rather persuasively I think, that if someone's preferred criteria for "science" are applied equally, either (i) both evolution and ID are science, or (ii) neither are.Eric Anderson
September 11, 2012
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Let's see- Intelligent Design is based on observations which led to knowledge and experience of cause and effect relationships. Intelligent Design can be tested and possibly falsified. So what else does it need before it is accepted as science?Joe
September 11, 2012
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There's can be no real question of whether ID is science, it is. The assertion that it's not science only arises when one attempts to apply ID to areas the Darwinists think they control. They think that because ID conflicts with their religious belief in Darwin that ID must be religion as well.Mung
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