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Do atheists know enough about the concept of God to reject it on rational grounds?

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Sometimes I think atheists are simply having arguments with themselves – or, more precisely, with phantoms bred by their own ignorance. It’s easy to see why atheism does not make more headway, even in modern secular society: Once atheists begin to spell out the sort of deity they are rejecting, it becomes clear that they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Julian Baggini, author of the Very Short Introduction of Atheism (perhaps the only one you need) and founding editor The Philosopher’s Magazine, is a very clever and amiable guy — under normal circumstances. But have a look at this piece, which appeared as the lead opinion piece in the most recent Saturday edition of The Independent, the liberal UK broadsheet paper. When an atheist pens a piece with the title, ‘If science has not actually killed God, it has rendered Him unrecognisable’, one wonders which screws have become loose.

Like others on this blog, I am always bemused by the ways in which atheists strive to say convincing things about a deity in whose existence they supposedly do not believe.

The occasion for Baggini’s piece is the publication of Stephen Hawking’s latest book, which apparently concludes that God was not necessary for the origin of the universe. (Since the book only comes out this week, no one has read it yet but there has been considerable media publicity surrounding this one point.) Baggini’s point is that physicists should not be taken as experts on God – even if, as in Hawking’s case, it’s not necessarily to God’s advantage – because physics is most likely atheistic anyway, and if not, then the sort of deity it allows is not one anyone believes in. Baggini appears to think that he’s doing both physics and theology a favour here. In truth, he is slighting both – not to mention the vast majority of religious believers whose idea of God is not tied to the ‘chap depicted on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel’.

 It’s clear that behind Baggini’s belligerent rhetoric is a plea for philosophy’s role in matters relating to the nature of God. This is fine, but it need not require driving a wedge between physics and theology, say, by dismissing appeals to the ‘mind of God’ as mere metaphor or (amazingly) singling out the Abrahamic God as the sort of deity that modern physics rules out of court. Both claims betray ignorance of various sorts.

In fact, I would suggest that perhaps the most fruitful way to understand the relationship between theology and physics is as accounts of reality’s ‘mind’ and ‘body’, respectively. This certainly allows much room for exploring possibilities, given the many positions philosophers have taken on the mind-body problem over the centuries.

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"Do atheists know enough about the concept of God to reject it on rational grounds?" But who does know anything about 'God'? We only have human words to describe God's attributes, and we are often told that his ways are unknowable by us. And which definition of 'God' is correct? The Christian's God? The Mayan's God? Perhaps the Hindu Gods? Certainly targeting atheists for the igmorance we all share does not help bridge the gap between us.Jello Brand
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The only theological point that atheists have managed to prove is that they are exceptionally poor theologians.EvilSnack
September 6, 2010
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The funny thing is that the headlines seem to make it appear that this is a new position of Stephen Hawkings, but in reality this has been his atheistic stance all along. What has the man ever really proved if anything ??? Is this world better off as a result of this man's genius ??? Hardly. If you take his genius and add it to all the other geniuses combined, we still get a natural world that is globally falling apart all around us. This is nothing more than an attempt by Hawkings to once again bathe in the limelight. What else is there for him ??? The man has no real normal life as we know life. His only purpose is capturing the praise and worship for which we usually ascibed to an all knowing creator. This often is the same motivation we find with many intellects of our times. Their world is loaded with the ultimate goal of achieving fame, glitter and glory, that is, to be worshipped by their fellow man, especially if these are the officially recognized "Panel of Peers". @Kyrilluk "How can someone base his “faith” in the non-existence of God on a theory that doesn’t exist yet?" EXCELLENT POINT KyrillukEocene
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I reject the mind-body dicotomy. But I reject equally the absurd argument that God didn't create the Universe because there must exist billions and billions of Universes. And as for the M-theory, this is not even a theory!!! How can someone base his "faith" in the non-existence of God on a theory that doesn't exist yet?Kyrilluk
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The God that Hawking rejects is not the God of theism, so I don't see how his argument is at all relevant. He used to marginally accept a prime mover, who only acts by the laws of physics. Now he rejects that prime mover, which none of us theists accepted in the first place. So all Hawking is saying now is that he rejects Deism. Well I'm not even certain if he's being more consistent now or then. Hawking's new stance seems to hold that the laws of nature created the universe. Is he completely overlooking the logic in favor of not "allowing a divine foot in the door?" As a physicist, Hawking could not be more of a Darwinist. Same thinking, different discipline. We've had much discussion on this blog lately on these subjects, and it appears that if one rejects the mind-body dichotomy, one is bound to eventually reject rational thought.CannuckianYankee
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Very nicely put Steve. I can finally understand something that you wrote !!! :-) Indeed, when Dawkins wrote his 20 or so word hate-depiction of the God he is rejecting, I could not understand what he was talking about...NZer
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