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Is Atheism Rationally Justifiable?

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First, I’d like to thank Mr. Arrington for granting me posting privileges.  I consider it quite an honor, and I hope this post (and any future posts) warrants this trust.

Second, the following is an argument I think will help us to focus on a fundamental issue that lies behind ever so many of the debates here at Uncommon Descent, and elsewhere.  That is, is the sort of implicit or even explicit atheism that is so often built in on the ground floor of a “scientific” mindset truly rationally justifiable? Such cannot be assumed, it needs to be shown.

I’ll begin by defining some terms for the sake of this argument:

Definition of God (for the purpose of this thread): First cause, prime mover, root of being, objective source of human purpose (final cause) and resulting morality, source of free will, mind, consciousness; omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent inasmuch as principles of logic allow; an interventionist as necessary to facilitate movement towards final cause and also inasmuch as logical principles are not violated; source of logic — “reason itself.” (I am not talking in particular about any specifically defined religious interpretation of god, such as the Chrstian or Islamic God.)

Definition: Weak, or negative atheism is the lack of any belief that a god exists, and the position that a god probably doesn’t exist, and is not the positive belief that gods do not exist (strong atheism), and is not agnosticism (the lack of belief that god either does or does not exist and the further view that there is a lack of sufficient probability either way).  Strong atheism is the belief that no god or gods exist at all.

Definition: A worldview or mindset is rationally justified when it answers adequately to the facts of the real world as we experience or observe it, makes good sense and fits together logically, is simple but not simplistic, and honestly faces the issues and difficulties that all worldviews face.

Definition: Intellectual dishonesty occurs when (1) one deliberately mischaracterizes their position or view in order to avoid having to logically defend their actual views; and/or (2) when someone is arguing, or making statements against a position while remaining willfully ignorant about that position, and/or (3) when someone categorically and/or pejoratively dismisses all existent and/or potential evidence in favor of a conclusion they claim to be neutral about, whether they are familiar with that evidence or not.

These will be important as we consider:

Evidence in favor of God:  The following is a brief summary of the evidence that typically leads many people to make a general finding that a god (as described above) exists, even if variantly interpreted or culturally contextualized:

(1)
Anecdotal evidence for the apparently intelligently ordered anomalous, miraculous (defying expected natural processes and probabilities) events attributed to god, such as signs, supernatural events (e.g. Fatima, Guadeloupe, Paul’s Damascus Road Experience), or answers to prayers to god;

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Testimonial evidence (first-hand accounts) of experience of such phenomena, including interactions with a god-like being or accounts of god-like interventions;  Also, the testimony of religious adherents of various specific gods can be counted as evidence of the god premised in this argument in the manner that various cultures can vary widely in their description of certain phenomena or experiences, and come up with widely variant “explanations”; what is interesting as evidence here, though, is the widespread crediting of similar kinds of phenomena and experience to a “god” of some sort (which might be the case of blind or ignorant people touching different parts of an elephant and thus describing “what the elephant is” in various ways). Such testimonial evidence can be counted in favor of the premise here, but cannot be held against it where it varies, because it is not testimony that such a god doesn’t exist.

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The various Cosmological and Ontological Arguments for the existence of god;

(4)  The Strong Anthropic (or Fine Tuning) argument and other evidences for design of our world and of life in it;

(5) The empirical, scientific evidence assembled in support of the design arguments in #4 (such as recently persuaded Antony Flew — formerly the world’s leading philosophical atheist — that there is a god);

(6) The Moral arguments for the existence of god.

(7) Empirical and testimonial evidence of phenomena closely correlated to the existence of a god as described above, such as the survival of consciousness after death, and the existence of an afterlife realm; the evidence for interactions with correlated entities such as angels and demons (which seem to act to influence our free will towards or away from our human purpose), etc., gathered by various serious and scientific investigations into what is often referred to as the “paranormal”, including mediumship studies dating back to William Crooke and ongoing through the work at Pear Labs and the Scole Experiment, including consciousness-survival research published in the Lancet. While indirect, this evidence tends to support the proposition that god exists.

While the various arguments listed above have been subjected to counter-arguments and rebuttals of varying strengths and weaknesses across the ages, one must not lose sight that while there is much evidence of all sorts (as listed above) in favor of the existence of god; there is zero empirical evidence (to my knowledge) or and little in the way of rational argument that no such god exists.  In other words, decreasing the value of the arguments and evidence for god does not increase the value of the position that there is no god; it can only increase the reasonableness of the “weak atheist” (there isn’t enough evidence) or an agnostic position.

The commonly seen rebuttals to these argument are simply attempting to show weaknesses in or alternatives to the arguments themselves so that such arguments cannot be taken as demonstratively convincing (that god exists); such counter-arguments as a rule do not actually make the case that god (as described above) in fact does not exist.

The argument against weak atheism:

The above shows us that, ironically, strong atheism is a weak position. That is probably why atheism advocates seldom defend it in informed company. So, we must first focus on the “stronger” atheist position, the one they defend in public: “weak atheism,” generally described as absence of belief in god or gods. I will argue that it too is far weaker than is commonly recognized.

I know of no positive arguments for the strong “there is no god” position, other than the argument from evil which has been addressed by Boethius, Adams  and Platinga. Aside from that, there are only rebuttals/reactions to various “there is a god” arguments. This exemplifies how rebutting an argument does not eliminate it as evidence, it only offers an alternative perspective that one  can evaluate along with the original argument.   Depending on the strength of the rebuttal or alternative explanation, that particular positive evidence for god may be decreased in value, but there is no concurrent increase in the value of an argument against the existence of god (as described above).

If a “weak atheist” claims to “lack belief” because there is “no evidence for god,” he or she is necessarily being intellectually dishonest, because we certainly aren’t privy to all potential or available evidence. Are such atheists claiming to be omniscient? If not, then, a more modest and reasonable point would be that they are not aware of evidence for god. However, given what we have already seen, such “weak atheists” cannot genuinely claim to not know of “any” evidence for god after having perused any of the above evidence.  That is to say, there is evidence for god, just, they don’t accept it. But incredulity or hyper-skepticism on your part does not equate to “no evidence” on my part. Testimony from otherwise credible sources is not made “less credible” simply because the testimony is about something the listener personally finds to be in-credible; it is not intellectually honest to discredit the credibility of testimony only on the basis of the subject matter being debated.

Also, strong atheists often only refer to themselves as weak atheists because they have realized that the strong atheist position is an assertion they cannot support in informed company.  They do this to provide cover for their real view, which is an obvious form of intellectual dishonesty.  One can often discern when this is going on when the person ridicules belief in god or makes categorical dismissals about evidence they have never even seen; they believe there is no god, and so assume there can be no valid evidence for god, and advocate for that position rhetorically via ridicule.

Even if the “weak atheist” is not aware of any compelling evidence for god, he or she must know that we humans are quite limited in what we know, and may often be unaware of mistakes in what we think we know. That means that any categorical claim a “weak” atheist makes about the available evidence he or she is not privy to — that it is not credible or convincing — is again intellectually dishonest because you cannot justifiably make a categorical claim about something you have no knowledge of.

So, if we have a weak atheist who is aware of the existence of the above evidence and agrees that there might be more evidence they are not privy to; and who does not categorically assert problems with the evidence they have not yet seen; and who does not categorically dismiss the available evidence as “non-evidence” due to hyper-skeptical bias but rather states that the available evidence they have seen is not compelling towards a conclusion that god exists; then one must ask the following:

In the face of such overwhelming amounts of evidence — thousands of years of testimony and anecdotal stories; many serious arguments based on credible empirical evidence and apparently necessary logical premises and inferences; and, the complete lack of any generally successful attempt to make a sound argument that god in fact does not exist — one must ask: how can any intellectually honest person come to any conclusion other than that on the balance of the evidence, god probably existseven if god is poorly and diversely defined, and even if the experience of god is open to various interpretations and even to misunderstanding?

As an analogy: even if one has never personally experienced “love”; in the face of thousands of years of testimony and anecdotal stories that love exists, and empirical evidence supporting that certain physical states correspond to assertions of experiences of love, would it be intellectually honest to “lack belief” that love exists, or would it be intellectually honest to hold the view that even though one doesn’t experience love (or using the same argument, color, joy, dreams, etc.), that love probably exists – even if people are widely disparate in their explanation, description, or presentation of what love is?

Another analogy: because witnesses disagree in their description of a criminal suspect in a crime, or disagree about the particulars of the crime they witnessed, this doesn’t mean there is no criminal at all.  Depending on the testimony and evidence, one may hold that it is likely that a crime occurred, and so it is likely that a criminal exists, but that the arguments, testimony and evidence are  not enough reach a finding of “guilty” for any particular suspect.

As far as I am aware of there is no anecdotal or testimonial evidence that god does not exist (because lack of experience of a thing isn’t evidence the thing doesn’t exist), very little in the way of logical argument towards that conclusion, and there is a vast array of logical, anecdotal, testimonial and empirical evidence that god (at least as generally described above) does exist. Because a billion people did not witness a crime, and only a handful did, doesn’t tilt the scales in favor of no crime having been committed at all; imagine now a billion people that report witnessing a crime, and handful that did not, and you have something more comparable to the state of evidence concerning the existence of god.

Even if one doesn’t find that evidence compelling for for a final conclusion that god exists,  when one weighs the balance of the evidence for and against god, one should be willing to at least consider whether it is more probable that god (as described above) exists than that god does not exist.  Problematically (for the atheist), the view that it is more likely that god exists than not is not any sort of an atheistic position.

The argument against strong atheism:

Strong atheism is defined as the assertion that no god or gods exist whatsoever.

First, it is obvious that strong atheism cannot be logically supported, simply because it is impossible to prove (not in the absolute sense, but in the “sufficient evidence” sense). There may be evidence and good argument that certain gods, or kinds of gods, do not exist; but there is certainly no generally accepted evidence or successful argument that no significant, meaningful god or gods whatsoever exist, including the one as defined for this thread.

Instead of trying to actually support their own claim, strong atheists usually attempt to shift the burden of proof onto theists by essentially asking the theists to prove the atheist position wrong, implying or asserting that atheism must be held true by default.  That is, such try to argue that they have nothing to argue and can sit comfortably on their view as a default. However, that is not so; every worldview of consequence has a duty to show that it is factually adequate, coherent and explains reality powerfully and simply.  Strong atheism is not a default position; it is a positive assertion that no god or gods exist.  The default position is always “I don’t know” or true agnosticism.

Strong atheism is a sweeping, categorical assertion that something does not exist. As such, It has the job of proving a universal negative.  Perhaps this could be accomplished by showing the converse positive claim to be self-contradictory, and readers advocating strong atheism are invited to make their case based upon the definition of God at the top of this post.

Also, however unlikely it may seem to an atheist, it might be true that a god of some sort exists outside of the circle of what she or he knows or what the collective of atheists actually know. After all, we all know full well that “to err is human.” So, since the atheist could be mistaken or ignorant of the key fact or argument that would be decisive,  the strong atheist position unjustifiably excludes a potentially true explanation from consideration.  What is the rationally useful point of a metaphysical position that excludes a potentially true explanation from consideration?  Especially when it requires asserting an unsupportable universal negative? What, then, does strong atheism bring to the table of debate other than the potential for intractable error and denial of potential truth for the sake of a sweeping, unsupportable, universally negative assertion?

Conclusion: atheism is an untenable position for any intellectually honest, rational, and informed person. The belief that god (as described above, which is supported by the listed evidence) does not exist, or that it isn’t more likely that god exists than not, can only be a position based on ignorance of the available evidence and argument for god, or a hyper-skeptical, intellectually dishonest, ideologically biased, a priori dismissal of all of the evidence for the existence of god.

Comments
William J Murray, Do you mind if i ask what your background or education is here? Especially, regarding the topic of this post (e.g. sciences, philosophy, philosophers and debate). If you choose not to answer, that will not be taken as negative. I know there is a reason to not post credentials in order to mitigate bias in either direction. Good reasoning should stand regardless. I'm just curious. JGuyJGuy
January 7, 2013
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Graham2- If God did Create us and the universe, then THAT IS SCIENCE, because science only cares about REALITY.Joe
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I'm OK with a designer that isn't God nor has a God complex. A designer that is NOT omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. A designer who does not care about salvation. Just sayin'...Joe
January 7, 2013
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Quick question: Why is the God of your definition bound by the principles of logic?DiEb
January 7, 2013
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Its theology rationality all the way down. Yup.Mung
January 7, 2013
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Graham2: Is it your intent to derail the topic of discussion? It should be apparent to you by now that UD presents all sorts of topics for discussion and debate. BA77: William or Bill is fine. I'm no doctor. It is amazing to me that any anti-IDist ever made any "argument from bad design" without recognizing how irrational the argument is. You cannot tell how good or bad a design is unless you know the full intent of the design, and the full impact of limiting parameters.William J Murray
January 7, 2013
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Of related note: Dawkins says he's only '6 out of 7' sure God doesn't exist - early 2012 http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/320143 In the following video, Stein challenges Dawkins, after Dawkins had laid out his Theodological based argument against God, to put a number on his belief that God does exist: Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlircbornagain77
January 7, 2013
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Mr. (Or Dr.) Murray This may be of interest: Dawkins stated:
“Although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” ” - Richard Dawkins
Yet the ironic thing in Dawkins' claim is that Darwinism relies primarily on Theological argumentation:
Charles Darwin, Theologian: Major New Article on Darwin's Use of Theology in the Origin of Species - May 2011 The Origin supplies abundant evidence of theology in action; as Dilley observes: I have argued that, in the first edition of the Origin, Darwin drew upon at least the following positiva theological claims in his case for descent with modification (and against special creation): 1. Human begins are not justfied in believing that God creates in ways analogous to the intellectual powers of the human mind. 2. A God who is free to create as He wishes would create new biological limbs de novo rather than from a common pattern. 3. A respectable deity would create biological structures in accord with a human conception of the 'simplest mode' to accomplish the functions of these structures. 4. God would only create the minimum structure required for a given part's function. 5. God does not provide false empirical information about the origins of organisms. 6. God impressed the laws of nature on matter. 7. God directly created the first 'primordial' life. 8. God did not perform miracles within organic history subsequent to the creation of the first life. 9. A 'distant' God is not morally culpable for natural pain and suffering. 10. The God of special creation, who allegedly performed miracles in organic history, is not plausible given the presence of natural pain and suffering. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/05/charles_darwin_theologian_majo046391.html The role of theology in current evolutionary reasoning - Paul A. Nelson - Biology and Philosophy, 1996, Volume 11, Number 4, Pages 493-517 Excerpt: Evolutionists have long contended that the organic world falls short of what one might expect from an omnipotent and benevolent creator. Yet many of the same scientists who argue theologically for evolution are committed to the philosophical doctrine of methodological naturalism, which maintains that theology has no place in science. Furthermore, the arguments themselves are problematical, employing concepts that cannot perform the work required of them, or resting on unsupported conjectures about suboptimality. Evolutionary theorists should reconsider both the arguments and the influence of Darwinian theological metaphysics on their understanding of evolution. http://www.springerlink.com/content/n3n5415037038134/?MUD=MP From Philosopher to Science Writer: The Dissemination of Evolutionary Thought - May 2011 Excerpt: The powerful theory of evolution hangs on this framework of thought that mandates naturalism. The science is weak but the metaphysics are strong. This is the key to understanding evolutionary thought. The weak arguments are scientific and the strong arguments, though filled with empirical observation and scientific jargon, are metaphysical. The stronger the argument, the more theological or philosophical. http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2011/05/from-philosopher-to-science-writer.html
Dr. Hunter comments on the dilemma this line of argumentation presents for the atheist:
“The strength of materialism is that it obviates the problem of evil altogether. God need not be reconciled with evil, because neither exists. Therefore the problem of evil is no problem at all.,,, And of course since there is no evil, the materialist must, ironically, not use evil to justify atheism. The problem of evil presupposes the existence of an objective evil-the very thing the materialist seems to deny. The argument (from Theodicy) that led to materialism is exhausted just when it is needed most. In other words, the problem of evil is only generated by the prior claims that evil exists. One cannot then conclude, with Dawkins, that there is ‘no evil and no good’ in the universe.,,, The fact that evolution’s acceptance hinges on a theological position would, for many, be enough to expel it from science. But evolution’s reliance on metaphysics is not its worst failing. Evolution’s real problem is not its metaphysics but its denial of its metaphysics.,,, Cornelius Hunter – Darwin’s God – pg. 154 & 159 http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-God-Evolution-Problem-Evil/dp/1587430118
Perhaps some atheists are incredulous that they could possibly be using a self-defeating theological line of argumentation to try to make their case for atheism, but the evidence is overwhelming that this is how it is, here are a few examples: In this following video Dr. William Lane Craig is surprised to find that evolutionary biologist Dr. Ayala uses theological argumentation in his book to support Darwinism and invites him to present evidence, any evidence at all, that Darwinism can generate functional complexity:
Refuting The Myth Of 'Bad Design' vs. Intelligent Design - William Lane Craig - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzdieauxZg
Here, at about the 55:00 minute mark in the following video, Phillip Johnson sums up his, in my opinion, excellent lecture by noting that the refutation of his book, 'Darwin On Trial', in the Journal Nature, the most prestigious science journal in the world, was a theological argument about what God would and would not do and therefore Darwinism must be true, and the critique from Nature was not a refutation based on any substantiating scientific evidence for Darwinism that one would expect to be brought forth in such a prestigious venue to support such a, supposedly, well supported scientific theory:
Darwinism On Trial (Phillip E. Johnson) – lecture video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwj9h9Zx6Mw
And in the following quote, Dr. John Avise explicitly, apparently completely oblivious to his Theological presuppositions, uses Theodicy to try to make the case for Darwinism:
It Is Unfathomable That a Loving Higher Intelligence Created the Species – Cornelius Hunter - June 2012 Excerpt: "Approximately 0.1% of humans who survive to birth carry a duplicon-related disability, meaning that several million people worldwide currently are afflicted by this particular subcategory of inborn metabolic errors. Many more afflicted individuals probably die in utero before their conditions are diagnosed. Clearly, humanity bears a substantial health burden from duplicon-mediated genomic malfunctions. This inescapable empirical truth is as understandable in the light of mechanistic genetic operations as it is unfathomable as the act of a loving higher intelligence. [112]" - Dr. John Avise - "Inside The Human Genome" There you have it. Evil exists and a loving higher intelligence wouldn’t have done it that way. http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/06/awesome-power-behind-evolution-it-is.html
What’s more ironic is that Dr. John Avise’s theological argumentation from the overwhelming rate of detrimental mutations to the human genome for Darwinism turns out to be, in fact (without Darwinian Theological blinders on), a very powerful ‘scientific’ argument against Darwinism:
http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/06/evolution-professor-special-creation.html?showComment=1340994836963#c5431261417430067209
Anyone who has debated atheists over Darwinism for any length of time on the internet can readily identify with the following comment made by Eric:
"One of the great ironies of the atheist mind is that no-one is more cock-sure of exactly what God is like, exactly what God would think, exactly what God would do, than the committed atheist. Of course he doesn’t believe in God, but if God did exist, he knows precisely what God would be like and how God would behave. Or so he thinks",,," Eric - UD Blogger
Here is a very good video that exposes the Theological roots of Darwinism:
The Descent of Darwin - Pastor Joe Boot - (The Theodicy of Darwinism) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJqk7xF4-g
Thus, though Dawkins and company may deny God, the fact of the matter is that they are absolutely dependent on a fairly sophomoric conception of God in order to make their argument from Theodicy to work in the first place.bornagain77
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Can we, finally, abandon any pretense that UncommonDescent is Scientific ? Its theology all the way down.Graham2
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KRock: Absolutely - that evidence would be more a combination of #1 and #7, or fall somewhere between. I consider such things to be supportive of the existence of god even if it doesn't directly implicate a god.William J Murray
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Given that virtually all of the available evidence and argument falls on the side of theism, and none on the side of atheism, one must provide support for their position that it is not at least more likely that a god exists.
Well that's a rather charitable reading of reality!
I’m arguing that atheism is either based on ignorance of the evidence, or it is an irrational or dishonest worldview. Whether or not there is actually a god is irrelevant to that argument.
Uh, what? Your position is that the fact of the matter is irrelevant to the various arguments we might make about the fact. I bow to your Darkside philosophy.LarTanner
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Great first post WJM. Question for you and you'll have to forgive my ignorance. When you speak of "Anecdotal evidence", would that also include well documented cases of demoinc possession, such as the case documented by Dr. Gallagher in the 2008 February issue of the New Oxford Review? Link below for anyone interested in reading about it. http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/58835/KRock
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In light of Box’s formulation in comment #7, why?
Box's formulation provides no light, in my opinion. I imagine the professional philosophers here can adequately explain what's wrong with Box's logic.
This suggests that there is a prior need to NOT resort to God.
Well..this prior need to NOT resort to God suggests an even more prior need to NOT NOT resort to God. From where does the second need arise?LarTanner
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Box: yes, that's the TL;DR version :) LarTanner asks: "Do you really mean to say that if I profess to be an atheist that I am either intellectually dishonest, irrational, uninformed, or some combination of these?" Yes. That is the case I've made above. LarTanner asks: "Do you really think the seven items given as “evidence in favor of God” are so good and iron-clad that one cannot find all of them rather weak and un-compelling?" No. However, finding the evidence and argument "weak" and "not compelling" doesn't give one the rational basis for a finding that it is more likely that god doesn't exist than does. It only gives one the rational basis to not commit to the conclusion that "god exists". Given that virtually all of the available evidence and argument falls on the side of theism, and none on the side of atheism, one must provide support for their position that it is not at least more likely that a god exists. LarTanner says: "It seems to me ..." I don't really care how things "seem" to you. I'm interested in rational debate. Also, I'm not telling you there is a god; I'm arguing that atheism is either based on ignorance of the evidence, or it is an irrational or dishonest worldview. Whether or not there is actually a god is irrelevant to that argument.William J Murray
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LarTanner:
That’s very nice that you think so, but if you want me to accept your view or even take it seriously, you need to bring much, much more to the table.
In light of Box's formulation in comment #7, why? Also:
...without needing to resort a God or gods.
Why? This suggests that there is a prior need to NOT resort to God. Where does this prior need arise, particularly in light of WJM's OP, and Box's summary in comment #7?MrMosis
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Welcome, WJM. Your comments have always been absolutely fascinating, I look forward to reading more of your thoughts.nullasalus
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Premises and Conclusion: 1. There is no evidence against the existence of God. 2. There is at the very least some evidence in favor of the existence of God. 3. Therefor it is more probable that god exists than that God does not exist.Box
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Do you really mean to say that if I profess to be an atheist that I am either intellectually dishonest, irrational, uninformed, or some combination of these? Do you really think the seven items given as "evidence in favor of God" are so good and iron-clad that one cannot find all of them rather weak and un-compelling? It seems to me that we have very good ways of formulating worldviews, morality, government and society without needing to resort a God or gods. I'm not making a positive assertion that no gods exist so much as acknowledging that you tell me there are gods (or is a God, as the case may be). That's very nice that you think so, but if you want me to accept your view or even take it seriously, you need to bring much, much more to the table.LarTanner
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JDH: There are various kinds of idealists who reject materialism, but such highly philosophical forms are not in fashion these days. KFkairosfocus
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BTW - I think that "belief in materialism" is a self-refuting argument, because if materialism is true then "belief" is merely an illusion since belief implies choice and (I believe) choice is excluded in a materialistic world. If belief in atheism logically implies materialism, then it suffers from the same internal inconsistency and one has to declare either atheism wrong or logic wrong.JDH
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I have a general question. Is it possible to believe in either strong or weak atheism and reject materialism? I have never understood people who claim they are atheists, but not materialists. I look at this as more intellectual dishonesty. I think that logic demands that once you admit that something exists beyond materialism, there must be at least one God. Any answers for me?JDH
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Thanks for the kind words, help & input, KF. I actually presented this basic argument in several other forums over the past few years, and have never seen anything more than superficial (and largely irrational) responses - a lot of rhetoric and ridicule, but nothing substantial. Which points, IMO, towards the conclusion that a lot of atheism (especially in the West) is fueled by emotion (outrage that evil exists, anti-authoritarianism) and not sound logic or evidence.William J Murray
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WJM: Welcome aboard, mon! You are raising some pretty serious issues about the reasonableness of atheism, which is a significant challenge to a view and agenda that are running pretty rampant these days. Let us see what the atheists have to say, and where that will lead. KF PS: Here are my own reflections on the reasonableness challenges of evolutionary materialism, which is a key feature of the relevant forms of atheism we deal with. (There are some oddball varieties out there and some variant forms that are more important in other civilisations or eras, but the kinds that are common like to wear the lab coat.)kairosfocus
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