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Michael Egnor: Darwinism as Hegel’s philosophy applied to biology

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He sees that as a framework for much of the change around us:

Nineteenth-century Darwinism was much more than a revolutionary scientific theory. It was hardly a scientific theory in any meaningful sense. Natural selection, as atheist philosopher Jerry Fodor has pointed out, isn’t a meaningful level of scientific explanation. It’s barely more than a tautology. Natural selection is an “empty” theory — “survivors survive” has no genuine explanatory power. As ID pioneer Phillip Johnson observed, Darwinism was really a new philosophical theory. It was the view that there is no teleology — no purpose — inherent to nature. Purpose in biology, Darwin insisted, is an illusion. Differential survival alone can explain “purpose” in nature. Darwin proposed that all of the specified complexity in living things is the product of undirected differential survival.

Darwinism is the denial of purpose in nature. Purpose, according to Darwin, is an illusion. Biology appears to have purposes — hearts pump blood, kidneys excrete urine, etc. — but the purposes are merely the outcome of natural selection — survival of the fittest. Darwinism purports to explain how a story can be written without purpose and implicitly without an author.

Darwinian natural selection is metaphysics, more than biology.

Michael Egnor, “Darwinism as Hegelian Dialectics Applied to Biology” at Evolution News and Science Today:

Of course it is. Just listen to Darwinians tell us how important the theory is to them.

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. This appears to be just another instance where Seversky will not respond to valid criticism of his position. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
UB: Are you suggesting here that you now agree with these physical requirements? Seversky: I have never disputed those requirements. I accept what von Neuman and others have determined are the basic requirements for any self-reproducing system. What I do not accept – and neither, apparently, do many of those working in this field – is that the only possible origin for such systems is an intelligent designer.
So the only thing that can motivate a decision away from your preferred position is if it can be proven that the origin of life is not possible by any unknown natural cause. We can talk about the posture of your answer in a moment, but first we need to point out the 600lb gorilla hiding behind the curtains. You are using a non-falsifiable condition as your standard of evidence in a scientific question. You’ve set up a situation where the hypothesis you are opposed to must prove a negative or the evidence in favor of that hypothesis is given no value because it does not meet the threshold. Only the proof of a negative is given the capacity to change your position. This is entirely illegitimate reasoning. Of course, no one can force you to use valid reasoning in your beliefs; that is generally something that only comes when it is actually valued by the person doing the reasoning. But you clearly cannot stand firm and suggest that your conclusions were arrived at with anything even resembling sound judgement. That is simply not true. Likewise, when you say that you “accept” opposing evidence (such as Von Neumann and others) it is also simply not true. Under your reasoning, the evidence for your opposition can continue to pile up to the rafters while the evidence in favor of your preferred position remains at zero. Until that opposing evidence proves a negative (something it cannot do) then it does not have the power to affect your conclusion. Physical evidence, indeed, becomes meaningless. This is the ultimate protectionist shield against science and reason; demand something that is not logically possible as your standard for evidence. The bonus is that you get to say you are a person of science and reason, while concealing the fact that you’ve completely eviscerated both of everything they have to offer.
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Jerry, 64, I still monitor the frontline doctors article. On first glance the author seems to dig up a plausible case that HCQ cocktails helped even hospitalised patients but obviously nowhere as much as for the early window ones. It remains so that the Dr Been mechanisms of action are on the table and are hard to undermine [weak base in the cell, ionophore . . .]; we are not just debating correlations. Why not let's discuss there? KFkairosfocus
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Perhaps Seversky should stop posting easily refuted nonsense.
If only these people could stop living in the 19th Century, with their ridiculous monkey-cult and its racist founder Darwin... You are welcome to visit the 21st Century. Materialism is gone. Naturalism's Epistemological Nightmare Truthfreedom
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kf, Off topic but very relevant to how news gets suppressed. A science writer was banned from twitter by exposing the hypocrisy of the medical establishment. https://freepressers.com/articles/twitter-suspends-author-of-worldtribune-article-on-hydroxy https://www.worldtribune.com/effectiveness-of-hydroxychloroquine-was-hiding-in-plain-sight/ You may want to put this incident in your quiver. It is one of the most egregious.jerry
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What? Methinks you are reading too much into comments.ET
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ET, Even if Sev were posting easily refuted nonsense, that doesn't excuse these creepy threats (or perhaps somewhat ambiguous hints at threats).daveS
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57 Upright BiPed
This is the ultimate protectionist shield against science and reason; demand something that is not logically possible as your standard for evidence. The bonus is that you get to say you are a person of science and reason, while concealing the fact that you’ve completely eviscerated both of everything they have to offer.
Ouch. Materialists thought they had an unsinkable vessel. So sure, so proud they were. And now they are forced to watch how it's flooding. No matter what, their Titanic will founder. And no Carpathia in sight. :) Naturalism's Epistemological Nightmare Truthfreedom
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kf,
UB, guess why I was led to the concept, selective hyperskepticism as a common fallacy exerted by enthusiasts of evolutionary materialistic scientism?
Between you and upright biped, you have condensed the nonsense of the objectors to ID into pithy statements. The nature of the objections are actually support for ID, not detrimental. What a pity!!! The argument alway has been that the ID thesis is very reasonable. Even Richard Dawkins agrees.jerry
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Perhaps seversky should stop posting easily refuted nonsense, davesET
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UB, guess why I was led to the concept, selective hyperskepticism as a common fallacy exerted by enthusiasts of evolutionary materialistic scientism? KFkairosfocus
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. Seversky at #32
UB: Are you suggesting here that you now agree with these physical requirements? Seversky: I have never disputed those requirements. I accept what von Neuman and others have determined are the basic requirements for any self-reproducing system. What I do not accept – and neither, apparently, do many of those working in this field – is that the only possible origin for such systems is an intelligent designer.
So the only thing that can motivate a decision away from your preferred position is if it can be proven that the origin of life is not possible by any unknown natural cause. We can talk about the posture of your answer in a moment, but first we need to point out the 600lb gorilla hiding behind the curtains. You are using a non-falsifiable condition as your standard of evidence in a scientific question. You’ve set up a situation where the hypothesis you are opposed to must prove a negative or the evidence in favor of that hypothesis is given no value because it does not meet the threshold. Only the proof of a negative is given the capacity to change your position. This is entirely illegitimate reasoning. Of course, no one can force you to use valid reasoning in your beliefs; that is generally something that only comes when it is actually valued by the person doing the reasoning. But you clearly cannot stand firm and suggest that your conclusions were arrived at with anything even resembling sound judgement. That is simply not true. Likewise, when you say that you “accept” opposing evidence (such as Von Neumann and others) it is also simply not true. Under your reasoning, the evidence for your opposition can continue to pile up to the rafters while the evidence in favor of your preferred position remains at zero. Until that opposing evidence proves a negative (something it cannot do) then it does not have the power to affect your conclusion. Physical evidence, indeed, becomes meaningless. This is the ultimate protectionist shield against science and reason; demand something that is not logically possible as your standard for evidence. The bonus is that you get to say you are a person of science and reason, while concealing the fact that you’ve completely eviscerated both of everything they have to offer.Upright BiPed
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This thread feels like Bizarro World, what with all the vitriol being thrown at Seversky.
I was thinking the same thing. The responses to him seem way over-the-too relative to what he has said.Mac McTavish
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Don't worry, Seversky, you can sleep tight about me. I won't hurt you. I'm not a communist/Marxist agitator who bullies people with physical violence like some of your political fellow-travelers.mike1962
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This thread feels like Bizarro World, what with all the vitriol being thrown at Seversky.daveS
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Why is it that the commucrats always whine like little babies when you fight back? Hehe. Hehehehehe.mike1962
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Seversky, You support the destruction that Marxists do, and don't want to open yourself up to the opposition. Okay then. (Hypocrite/coward. Marxist.) P.S. GFY.mike1962
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50 Kairosfocus. Yes! On a final note, Dr. Bonnette (he is a superstition-destroyer) :) has some harsh words for the "materialist" brethren: Materalism's Epistemological Nightmare Materialism’s Epistemological Blunder Materialism’s Encroachment on Science Materialism’s Evident Falsity Another Materialist Fiasco: No Substantial Forms Materialism's Unnoticed Achilles' Heel Truthfreedom
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TF, as in de last superstition . . . KFkairosfocus
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DS, a bit old fashioned now -- malarkey is even older -- but it makes the point. You might find the logistical trail and pre-positioned riot shield wall supplies as well as incendiary signs just highlighted tell quite a story. KFkairosfocus
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Oh. The 3 theories above (#46) have something in common: the M.i.n.d. (immaterial) I hope "materialists" do not mind having their superstition exposed. It's just a matter of time for them to disappear.Truthfreedom
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F/N: The U-Haul truck logistical trails. https://uncommondescent.com/academic-freedom/is-the-usa-going-over-the-edge-as-we-speak/#comment-713050 KFkairosfocus
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TF, for sure, no materialist theory can account...
Materialism can not even account for itself. QM put that beast to rest. The routes now are: - Idealism (Kastrup) - Extreme Cartesian dualism (with the interaction problem) - Hylemorphism: preserves scientific objectivity and accounts for "forms" (there could not be evolution if there were not forms for it to act upon). It also solves the mind-body conundrum. Materialism’s Failures: Hylemorphism’s Vindication. (Aristotle is back). "Materialism"? That's a fairy-tale for kiddos. :)Truthfreedom
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KF,
It's over, kiddo
Who says stuff like this? C'mon, that's your lamest putdown ever. :-)daveS
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RE George Floyd tragic death- Months before George Floyd, a white man died via a cop's knee to the back of his neck. Had the media went into an uproar about that incident the George Floyd incident would have been prevented. Food for thoughtET
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seversky:
What I do not accept – and neither, apparently, do many of those working in this field – is that the only possible origin for such systems is an intelligent designer.
Too bad there isn't any evidence that nature can do it. There isn't even a way to test the claim. So we can dismiss it out of hand. That means the disagreement to ID is based on personal biases and not science. But we already knew that.ET
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Education is a personal threat to seversky. :razz:ET
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TF, for sure, no materialist theory can account for morally governed, conscience guided, rational, responsible, significantly free mind. The time for kiddy fun and foolish talk is over with 4GW red guard insurgents baying in the streets and attacking icons of civilisation not knowing they are cannon fodder and cat's paws for things they don't begin to understand. It's a lot easier to burn than to build, but then you have to live with the ruin. KFkairosfocus
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Seversky, I accept that you did say that such rioters should face consequences. However, that is part of the problem. Seattle's Chief of Police just complained that he has been, by political fiat, robbed of less lethal munitions so cannot police the situation. Going further, your general commentary has been enabling. For instance it is readily demonstrable that CRITICAL X-THEORY is Marxist (as are related "studies" and other softened forms), that it has come from the Frankfurt School, that it connects to Alinsky's street tactics and the McFaul techniques for developing on Mao's 1966 Red guards coup, that this has played out for decades through colour revolutions, Arab Spring etc. Further, there are obvious signatures of a culture revolution push, manifested in mob attacks on key cultural symbols and monuments. Given the consequences, it is not paranoia but prudence to take such seriously, especially when agit prop, street theatre, media trumpeting, censorship, lawfare and manipulation of elections in ways that make fraud far more easy are fitting an al too familiar pattern. Don't forget the deep state actually issuing media statements. We are seeing 4GW insurgency, backed by powers seeking to impose ideological oligarchic domination. You can pretend that marxist subversion is a myth all you want. I lived through wrecking my homeland through a failed subversion that shattered economy and society for 40+ years now. I recognise the all too familiar patterns, with further refinements due to advancing technology and technique. The direct parallels to events in Egypt are telling. It's over, kiddo. Those you enabled began the fight. They will not win it, in the end. But it is a lot of ordinary people who will have to live with ruinous consequences for decades to come. A lot of them, of my race. KFkairosfocus
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Seversky, On reading it is clear a sarcastic response was given to try to wake you up. M62, You are dealing with people who will twist remarks as above. In future don't feed them with ammo. KF (in absence of mythical moderators)kairosfocus
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29 Seversky
He can exploit incidents like these to heighten white paranoia about some mythical Marxist...
You and your Trump paranoias are quite funny. You may impress some naive teenagers, but here you are speaking to grown-ups, kiddo. Real grown-ups, not "illusory" people like those of your ridicule and obsolete materialist philosophy. Not monkeys. Human beings. Not "bags of chemicals". Human beings. Not pathetic "hallucinations". Human beings. Time to put your toys away.Truthfreedom
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