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Electrons cannot be conscious Sabine Hossenfelder’s view because they cannot change their behavior: “Now, if you want a particle to be conscious, your minimum expectation should be that the particle can change. It’s hard to have an inner life with only one thought. But if electrons could have thoughts, we’d long have seen this in particle collisions because it would change the number of particles produced in collisions.”

From Mind Matters News:

Hossenfelder’s impatience is understandable but she underestimates the seriousness of the problem serious thinkers about consciousness confront. There is a reason that some scientists believe that the universe is conscious: It would be more logically coherent to say that you think the universe is conscious than to say that your own consciousness is an illusion. With the first idea, you may be wrong. With the second idea, you are not anything.

Mind Matters News

Further reading: Pioneer neuroscientists believed the mind is more than the brain. A number of them were Nobel Laureates and their views were informed by their work. In a podcast discussion with Walter Bradley Center director Robert J. Marks, neurosurgeon Michael Egnor talks about how many famous neuroscientist became dualists—that is, they concluded that there is something about human beings that goes beyond matter—based on observations they made during their work.

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What's the difference between blue and red as a conscious experience?mike1962
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“Now, if you want a particle to be conscious, your minimum expectation should be that the particle can change. It’s hard to have an inner life...." So I think she should read Nagel's "What is it Like to be a Bat". Seemingly she is stuck in anthropomorphism.groovamos
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From the article: "It would be more logically coherent to say that you think the universe is conscious than to say that your own consciousness is an illusion. With the first idea, you may be wrong. With the second idea, you are not anything." Certainly an interesting thought for Darwinists to ponder. If she continues down the path of logic, she must accept ID. If the universe is conscious, where did the consciousness of the universe come from?BobRyan
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@Belfast Anyone who promotes the climate change hoax and globalism gets no respect from me. Good science is based more on guts and honesty than smarts. If physicists are as brilliant as they claim, how come they can't explain why a body in inertial motion remains in motion?FourFaces
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@5 @Four Faces. She could be pro ISIS for all I care, and awful at golf, but in physics she is a voice to be listened to.Belfast
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Hossenfelder is a hard core, climate change globalist. She ain't the genius many are making her out to be.FourFaces
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It seems less and less that the Abrahamic scriptures are entirely bereft of the 'text-book' kind of scientific truths that scientists and metaphysicans would normaly seek elsewhere. 1 Corinthians 15:45 'So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.' I had never properly understood that until making the connection of the spirit with the vivifying of otherwise inanimate creatures ; although our spirit, though indwelling, unlike Christ's spirit, seems to be solely the medium of the communciation of life, rather than its primordial origin. Genesis 2:7 'Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.'Axel
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Is it not weird that materialists believe (or choose to believe, knowingly, despite zero evidence) that matter gave/gives rise to spirit, when clearly, (as, indeed, anyone who has seen a cadaver knows immediately), it is the spirit of a man and other creatures that vivifies, animates them. Moreover, as has been pointed out by specialists in these matters, the physical body is no different in its physical appurtenances, for some time after death, to its physical state prior to clinical death.Axel
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Are you talking to yourself, Sev?Belfast
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Electrons cannot be conscious Sabine Hossenfelder’s view because they cannot change their behavior:
Is anyone claiming that a single electron could be conscious in the way we are? On the other hand, a very large number of electrons whizzing around inside a brain might form the basis of consciousness like ours. It's hard to say, of course, since no one, not even the redoubtable Sabine Hossenfelder, knows what consciousness is.Seversky
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