Dr. Mike wrote at TSZ:
Mike Elzinga: You think you know all about science from reading popularizations? You want scientists to explain things to you even as you refuse to learn basic high school science and vocabulary?
For the first time in something like 50 years I would like to see an ID/creationist do a simple high school level chemistry/physics calculation, get a scientific concept correct, and use scientific words properly in a sentence.
All any of you are able to do is keep the “arguments” going over the meanings of the meanings of the meanings of the meanings of meanings … You never display any awareness of science at even the high school level; and most of you can’t get middle school scientific concepts straight.
NOT ONE ID/creationist in a half century has been able to do something as simple as to scale up the charge-to-mass ratios of protons and electrons to kilogram-sized masses separated by a meter, calculate the energies of interaction in units of joules and megatons of TNT, and then justify the ID/creationist use of tornados in junkyards as an argument against evolution.
Not one, coldcoffee; NOT ONE. Not you, not Blas, not anyone over at UD. Not Henry Morris, not Duane Gish, not Dembski, not Abel, not Sanford, not Sewell; not ANY ID/creationist. Sewell (PhD in applied math) can’t even get units straight when plugging things into an equation. Do you know what units are?
Just once we would like to see a glimmer of an ID/creationist comprehending enough basic science to justify using marbles, Scrabble letters, coin flips, junkyard parts, battle ship parts, and ideal gases of other inert objects as stand-ins for the properties and behaviors of atoms and molecules.
Can YOU do that simple high school physics/chemistry calculation? Will you word-game it; or simply avoid it?
Well here ya go, Dr. Mike. I present to you something you’ve been waiting for for 50 years in the form of a highschool kid response:
This is picture of Chewbacca, he is Wookie living on Endor
lete = proton charge
-e = electron charge
C = Coulombs
N = Newtons
m = meters
kg = kilograms
k = Coulomb’s constant = 8.99 x 10^9 N m^2/C^2
Q = charge of scaled up 1kg proton mass (presumably a sphere)
q = charge of scaled up 1kg electron mass (presumably a sphere)
r = distance between center of charged spheres = 1 m
U = electrostatic potential energy
J = joules
kT = kilotons TNT
MT = megatons TNTFor electrons:
q =
1 kg * [ (-e)/(9.11*10^-31 kg)) ] *
[1 C / (6.24*10^18 * e ) ] = -1.76 x 10^11 CFor protons:
Q = 1 kg [ e/(1.67×10^-27 kg) ] *
(1 C / (6.24*10^18 * e ) = 9.58 x 10^07 CSpherical symmetry of spheres allows use of the shell theorem. Using the equation for electrostatic potential energy, we have:
U = U(r at 1 meter) = k Q q / r = 8.99 x 10^9 N m^2/C^2 * -1.76 x 10^11 C * 9.58 x 10^07 C / 1 m
= -1.52 x 10^29 N m *
( J / (n M) ) = -1.52 x 10^29 JThe negative sign indicates the hyopthetical loss of potential energy
when the two bodies travelled an infinite distance where U(r at infinity) = 0.Thus,
U = U(r at 1 meter) = -1.52 x 10^29 J * [ kT / (4.18×10^9 J) ] = -3.62 *10^19 kT
= -3.62 *10^19 kT * [ MT / (1000 kT) ]
= -3.62 * 10^16 MT
For the spheres to be able to have such large amount of charges focused in two spheres (each sphere containing like charges) in one locality a meter apart, some mighty hand like that of the Lord, the Almighty, the Intelligent Designer, would have to assemble the spheres and hold the spheres together. Otherwise without Him, the spheres would explode due to the repulsion of like charges in each sphere. In the case of the charged spheres, the electrostatic potential energy due to the like charges inside the spheres is retained even though the spheres are brought in one meter proximity. Because the spheres are in one meter proximity, this implies the spheres radii must be less than 1 meter as a matter of principle, thus the potential energy of those spheres is in the range of multi-megatons of TNT as well.
There is no gravity or the action of the strong nuclear force to bind the charges together — at least this would definitely be the case for electrons since strong nuclear interactions happen only for hadrons like nucleons, and not for leptons like electrons. Thus, God must have a hand in the keeping the spheres intact for Dr. Mike’s thought experiment. Further, even if we don’t have a particulate assembly of the charged spheres (using electrons and protons), but instead a monolithic elementary particle for each sphere, the particle would be astronomically larger in mass than the Higgs boson (aka the God particle)! 😯 Thus only God could create such a large monolithic elementary particle since such a particle would violate known science by several orders. Thus we see, God would have to have a role in Dr. Mike’s thought exercise as stated….
And once the mighty hand of the Lord looses the charges in each sphere, something far greater than a tornado will play out as more potential energy is released with a multi-megaton explosion, and the heat would incinerate everything in proximity, and nothing resembling life will evolve except by the hand of God.
So using Dr. Mike’s parameters, he demonstrates God must have had a hand in the evolution of the system in question.
And if wookies are on the planet Endor, you must acquit.
Merry Christmas to everyone! Ho, ho, ho!
NOTES
1. photo credit: Johnny Cochran.
2. This was my Chewbacca Defense of creationism.
3. Dr. Mike didn’t include in his list this young earth creationist physicist from Australia who has accumulated 5.6 million dollars in science research grants: John Hartnett.
4. Post filed under humor.