BREAKING: President Trump, Mrs Trump & Ms Hicks are Positive for CV-19

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October 2, 2020

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Tonight, @ FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

Hope Hicks, who has been working so hard without even taking a small break, has just tested positive for Covid 19. Terrible! The First Lady and I are waiting for our test results. In the meantime, we will begin our quarantine process!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

When you thought an extraordinarily chaotic year could not pull out another twist. Well, here it is. END

PS: As broad context

PPS: For reference on HCQ

Also:

PPPS: A sampler from a former CEO, Twitter (cf discussion at Forbes [also here]) commented on by Michelle Malkin, a few days ago:

See, now, that this is NOT a normal silly season cycle?

PPPPS: A summary on the U/L trajectory of CV19:

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DS, I note the docs said the media wrenched the story. Your remarks suggest betrayal. Do you think that is going to make me take anything they have to say as anything more than the pratings of the irretrievably perjured? It's over with the media as a whole. They gambled on wrecking their last shreds of credibility to wreck a surprise US president and outsider they didn't have control hooks into and lost. In a few weeks, they will doubtless be using remaining influence to stir up 4GW chaos, finally sealing their accursed state. At this point it's they went out and it was night time. It's over, save yourself from an untoward generation. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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I am sure the driver also volunteered- knew the risks and accepted the consequences. Those guys tend to wear the big boy pants.ET_{October 4, 2020
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ET, A fair point, no doubt there's a divider, which reduces the risk.daveS_{October 4, 2020
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daves:
Nice of Trump to expose his drivers to the virus so he could bask in the applause, wasn’t it?
Did he? There isn't a divider between the driver and the passenger? Really?ET_{October 4, 2020
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Strange that only the haters and the ignorant proclaim that the Proud Boys are a white supremacists' group.
Enrique Tarrio insists that the Proud Boys aren’t White supremacists, and he would be in a position to know. For one, he’s the international chairman. For another, he’s Black.
And I would expect the President to get the full treatment, regardless of the stage of the disease. Mac and cheese must be the most agenda-driven, clueless troll on this blog.ET_{October 4, 2020
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KF, Well, Mark Meadows inadvertently blurted out information to reporters on camera, asking to be kept "off the record". I guess it could have been planned with Trump's approval, but that's far-fetched. Nice of Trump to expose his drivers to the virus so he could bask in the applause, wasn't it? They were wearing protective gear, but the risk was completely unnecessary.daveS_{October 4, 2020
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Here is a follow up of my post @ # 81 where I asked,
What’s next? You’re not even allowed to question the efficacy of masks or you’re guilty of a thought crime? Believe it or not that has already happened.
According to a CBS News account posted on 8/21/20:
The former Navy SEAL who claims he's the one who killed Osama bin Laden during a 2011 raid tweeted on Thursday that he was banned from Delta Air Lines for not wearing a mask. Robert O'Neill took a maskless selfie of himself on Delta flight on Wednesday, posting it on Twitter with a vulgar caption…
Delta confirmed that O’Neill had been banned adding the following statement. "Part of every customer's commitment prior to traveling on Delta is the requirement to acknowledge our updated travel policies, which includes wearing a mask," Delta said in a statement. "Failure to comply with our mask-wearing mandate can result in the ability to fly Delta in the future." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-seal-robert-oneill-delta-airlines-bans-face-mask/ However, it doesn’t appear that CBS made any effort to reach out to O’Neill for a comment. Fox Business did. O’Neill told them “that he only removed his mask to eat and drink during the flight and his actions did not constitute a violation of Delta’s policy.” https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/navy-seal-banned-delta-mask-meeting-ceo-ed-bastian O’Neill added that he was not “anti-mask.” But what would it matter if he was as long as he was willing to comply with Delta’s policy? Like I said the mask issue has morphed into something beyond a concern for the public’s health and safety. Whatever that is, neither the government nor big business has the right to control person’s thoughts or beliefs. Of course the “woke” PC left just loves the mask issue. It gives them virtually unlimited opportunities for virtue signaling.john_a_designer_{October 4, 2020
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DS, at this point the major media just hit zero point on credibility, so there is no interest in their uncorroborated narratives, malicious leakers and anonymous sources. Lucy has pulled the football away too many times, it's over. And yes, Mr Trump seems to have done a drive past to encourage his supporters and I guess to get some outside view instead of being cooped up. He knows many supporters will for cause refuse to believe the media spun narratives but want assurance. Looks like he is likely indeed to be going home soon. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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MMT, first, the actual track record of the transcript is the opposite of your spin. Second, it turns out the organisation is multiracial in leadership and apparently just had a joint presser in IIRC Utah with a BLM splinter. The narrative is false and is part of why the major media are in the do not trust bin. Finally, kindly refrain from sexual perversities and obsessions. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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Trump greeting supporters outside the hospital: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1312869216954077186daveS_{October 4, 2020
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Given that Dexamethasone has only been shown to be effective in later, serious stages of the disease, I think it is reasonable to conclude that his complications were far more serious than has been reported.Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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Given Trump’s recent debacle over ProudBoys
What debacle? Here is the national leader of the proud boys who proudly endorses Trump. Did Trump choose wisely? https://bit.ly/3iuQwcu I suggest Chris Wallace interview him.jerry_{October 4, 2020
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Given Trump’s recent debacle over ProudBoys I found this humorous. Over on Twitter the #proudboys hashtag is being swamped with LGBQ images. That has to be the most peaceful, and hard-hitting protest I have seen in a while. :) :) :) [SNIP, offensive imagery linked]Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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KF,
MMT, too many malicious leaks ...
Perhaps even some by Trump's own chief of staff...daveS_{October 4, 2020
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According to Business Insider from Feb. of 2020:
People are racing to buy face masks amid the coronavirus outbreak, but they probably won't protect you from illness… For the average person, wearing a mask is not as effective a prevention measure as everyday actions like hand-washing and avoiding close contact with anyone who might be infected.
https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-not-entirely-effective-2020-1 Since Feb. of this year we have been told at least four different things about masks: First, we were told that masks are not very effective. Then we were told, “Well, masks might be somewhat effective.” After that we were told that masks were recommended but then… In some states, like mine (Ohio,) masks are not just recommended they are now mandatory. (Talk about moving the goal posts!) What’s next? You’re not even allowed to question the efficacy of masks or you’re guilty of a thought crime? Believe it or not that has already happened. Are masks really about the public’s health and safety or are they about control?john_a_designer_{October 4, 2020
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F/N: Doctors further states. The suggestion is he could be released as soon as Monday. The timeline indicates high fever Fri AM, and yes 2 l O2 at WH, returning from 94% to 95%. It seems a drop to 93% apparently Sat AM. Scans seem to indicate some "expected" lung signs, but apparently not of concern. Lung respiratometry is over 2500 ml. Also Dexamethasone. 5 days remdesivir (with other meds). He is reported clearly in recovery. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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MMT, too many malicious leaks and irresponsible reporters/media for too long to take anything but the direct statement of responsible physician. What I noted above comes from that. In a few days we will know the outcome, which looks highly likely to be favourable. Which is what counts. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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It turns out that he was receiving supplemental oxygen on Thursday and Friday. And they don’t provide this unless you have significant reduction in blood oxygen.Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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KF
It seems there has been a cluster of infections among the Republican delegation/aides connected to the Cleveland debate, with further pointing to people preparing the site.
It probably didn’t help that Trump’s camp at the debate refused to wear masks even after being reminded of the venue’s rule. There is also a cluster of cases associated with the WH event to present Trump’s SCOTUS nominee, most of whom also did not wear masks.Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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Of note is the dramatic decline in his twitter activity.Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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From the videos, it's obvious that Trump is doing relatively well. Those photos of him signing what appear to be random blank sheets of paper are a bit silly though. If he's really doing "work", maybe they should show him meeting with advisors via teleconference or on the phone at least.daveS_{October 4, 2020
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Super-cocktail!kairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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The President is being treated with every known remedy for covid-19. So I don't know what RH7 is babbling about.ET_{October 4, 2020
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F/N: All of this is not just of current interest, it goes to the deep seated problems we have with evidence, logic, prudence and selective hyperskepticism driven by party-spiritedness, indoctrination, media manipulation [including big tech censorship] and ideology . . . often, dressed up in lab coats and doctor's white jackets. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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F/N: Sky News Australia, on Media and celebrity speculation regarding Mr Trump's treatments and his doctor's reports. The leading doctor states that he asked about HCQ but is not on it, i.e. it is his physician's regime he is following. He has had survivor antibody treatment, has had a second dose of remdesivir (effectively, a substitute for one of the 20 AAs that blocks effective protein formation), and is known to be on Zn, vits C and D. (I assume some sort of supplementary ionophore like Quercetin is also being taken.) He was feverish and feeling run down, but has been free of fever for a day [plus now, presumably] and is "feeling better," a sign that he is on the recovery road after a relatively mild case. His blood oxygen levels per report released have been at 96 - 98% i.e. he has not suffered the sort of heavy invisible lung damage that Dr Raoult reported based on a large number of CT scans of early phase patients. Based on a case here, what doctors call mild can have you feeling pretty smashed. In short the L-flatline after catastrophic decline trajectory is effectively off the table and the U-trajectory has been shallowed out. This suggests, he will be in a recovery, light work phase for some days and will be back to work under orders not to overdo things soon. That will doubtless include banning the reputed 18 hour workdays he is said to commonly turn in. KF PS: It seems there has been a cluster of infections among the Republican delegation/aides connected to the Cleveland debate, with further pointing to people preparing the site. That raises questions on protective protocols being used and how carefully work people were screened, how well and regularly surfaces were cleaned etc. esp. by contrast with the WH. Was there surface contamination and spreading? PPS: BTW, how available is isopropyl alcohol just now? (It is typically made from petroleum.) PPPS: In my view there seems to be better support for HCQ and cocktails esp with Ivermectin in play, than for Remdesivir. The antibody treatment is strictly experimental but similar treatments are longstanding. I again note that the Dr "Been" mechanisms are quite plausible-- no one seriously disputes ionophore effect with Zn's action, and HCQ is a weak base that will readily get into cells so it is credible that it will interfere with viral hijacking of the cells and the multiplication cascade -- and toxicity is clearly manageable.kairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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Mr Trump, in his own voice: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312525833505058816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1312525833505058816%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F10%2Fpresident-trump-releases-heartfelt-message-public-walter-reed-video%2Fkairosfocus_{October 3, 2020
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RH7, we can wait a few days for things to resolve themselves. Meanwhile, the Dr "Been" mechanisms speak for themselves. So do the facts on manageable toxicity. In that context, we have become sick of the media and institutional credibility manipulation games and things are going to work out in ways that will be unexpected. KFkairosfocus_{October 3, 2020
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The question I asked above is being asked by others on the right: October 2, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — I am following the little information we have so far about how President Trump and his wife Melania are being treated for their Wuhan virus infection. I find it alarming that Trump is not being treated with the protocols that numerous physicians have been successfully using for their COVID-infected patients. What on Earth is going on? Why are they using a drug for “late-stage trials” when Trump is frequently tested, was only just found to be positive and is in an "early stage" of the disease that logically calls for Hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and an antibiotic that produces excellent results in early stages? He should have immediately been put on the hydroxychloroquine protocol that the Frontline Doctors, epidemic and anthrax specialist Dr. Meryl Nass, renowned Yale professor of epidemiology Dr. Harvey Risch, U.S. doctor Stephen Smith and numerous doctors in other nations, doctors in India, the renowned French professor Dr. Didier Raoult, professor Dolores Cahill, and many more — all insist the evidence is “overwhelming” that this protocol is amazingly effective in correct, early use treatment of COVID-infected patients. It is reckless that this is not being done because there is no risk to giving it to Trump even if the medical bureaucrats still ridiculously refuse to believe that Hydroxychloroquine is effective. I mean, how many thousands more lives have to be saved and how many thousands more people have to personally testify that they would not still be alive but for the courageous, caring doctors who went out on a limb and gave then this drug, before these stubborn bureaucrats finally get out of the way of real medicine? https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-should-receive-this-effective-covid-treatment-immediately-why-isnt-herhampton7_{October 3, 2020
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The COVIDAnalysis network’s list of studies has repeatedly misrepresented the conclusions of clinical trials that found that hydroxychloroquine provided no benefit for COVID-19 patients
Each study links to the report of the actual study and are there for anyone to look at. You are wrong about the Boulware study. They are positive for HCQ, just that they do not reach statistical significance. They are crappy studies nevertheless but the results favor HCQ just not enough to meet statistical significance. Boulware originally wanted to use hospitalization but couldn't find enough people who were hospitalized so changed the criteria of the study. They were done on the wrong population, and infection was not verified for most in the study and no doctor or researcher ever saw any of the subjects. They were contacted by social media and then shipped treatments. As I said it was a crappy study but was slightly positive for HCQ, From what I understand bogus studies about HCQ while Boulware was recruiting made it hard to recruit people for a study. Especially when the bogus studies were saying HCQ had negative effects.
The COVIDAnalysis network, which includes C19Study.com, C19HCQ.com, and HCQTrial.com, does not disclose its ownership on the sites and would not disclose it to NewsGuard, nor could NewsGuard independently determine who owns the network. Thus, there is no way to know if the sites — which are not financed by advertising or subscriptions — are financed by those with a financial or political interest related to the promotion of hydroxychloroquine.
There is no financial interest in HCQ. It is nearly as cheap as aspirin so no one is going to make much money on it. It is a generic drug. Also all the studies are available to see what they say. So nothing is being hidden. My guess is that there are people who are anti-HCQ who would want to know who is behind this so they can attack him. I once saw someone on Twitter who claimed to run the site but Twitter took down his account. He was from Ireland. Twitter does that frequently and sometimes permanently. They recently took Zelenko off for a week because he said zinc works. Another person who was reporting news on HCQ was gone for two weeks. He just returned. Another was permanently taken off who was very careful In what he was saying.jerry_{October 3, 2020
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Seversky, trying to pull a stunt with a chlorox reference simply underscores your lack of credibility. KFkairosfocus_{October 3, 2020
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