BREAKING: President Trump, Mrs Trump & Ms Hicks are Positive for CV-19

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Tonight, @ FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

Hope Hicks, who has been working so hard without even taking a small break, has just tested positive for Covid 19. Terrible! The First Lady and I are waiting for our test results. In the meantime, we will begin our quarantine process!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

When you thought an extraordinarily chaotic year could not pull out another twist. Well, here it is. END

PS: As broad context

PPS: For reference on HCQ

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PPPS: A sampler from a former CEO, Twitter (cf discussion at Forbes [also here]) commented on by Michelle Malkin, a few days ago:

See, now, that this is NOT a normal silly season cycle?

PPPPS: A summary on the U/L trajectory of CV19:

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KF, I don't think we need to start at any particular place. Whoever ends up with the best track record likely has a better understanding of what is actually happening. Right? The proof of the pudding is in the eating.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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UPDATE: Mr Trump, scheduled to leave Hospital this evening:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago! 2:37 PM · Oct 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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PPS: Cf PPPS to OP, on a comment by a former CEO, Twitter. This is NOT a normal election cycle. (Cf. discussion here.)kairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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DS, I think you need to start with what is already happening, acknowledging its reality. For instance, do you recognise the McFaul pattern and its relevance to colour revolutions? KF PS: If the sort of radical agendas on the loose gain the boost of an electoral victory, then that is a worse scenario.kairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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KF,
especially if come election night, Mr Trump takes the lead. Which, I expect given that he has become a most unlikely figure championing what is left of our civilisational heritage.
Well, we'll see. Sounds like a longshot at this point. If that turns out not to be the case, then it will indicate that your understanding of the situation was lacking. We don't have to bring up falsificationism. If you make a bunch of predictions, and they don't come to pass, then your credibility will take a hit. OT: Did you see that one of President John Tyler's grandsons just passed away? President Tyler was born in 1790 and still has one living grandson.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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DS, I know there is an infatuation with Popperian falsificationism but that is not an epistemological panacea. There is a reason why Lakatos spoke of degenerative research programmes and said they are born, live and die refuted, i.e. with unexplained phenomena. In that context, we are notreally into predictions yet, we have to get to the point of acknowledging and recognising reality first, in a context where part of the point of a McFaul style dirty form cultural revolution push is it does not LOOK like a warfare move. (You may recall, it took decades for there to be fairly widespread acknowledgement of a civil war in my homeland. The language at the time was about fairly localised political violence and shortages in shops, with mention of brigadistas, CIA dirty tricks and the like. ) let's start with the chart in the OP. Do your witnesses know about Mackinder's Heartland thesis or Spykmann's rimlands issue with long term conflict between continental and maritime powers? Do they understand that two German pushes to command the Heartland and a Soviet attempt to project from Heartland to global power explain the geostrategic patterns of most of C20? That, with the rise of Islamism and China's return to being leading industrial power shape and shift the global power conflict? Do they recognise why sub-Saharan Africa is a key resource concentration and why the Caribbean basin is in play also? I assume that essentially any aware person recognises that the USA has succeeded retired global power Britain, but faces a strong isolationist mindset that does not recognise that ducking the global stage is not an option. The vultures are circling. And, they are making initial moves. E.g. it is no accident there are over a million Chinese immigrants in Africa. Also, the Islamist leadership have long hoped to make Africa the first Islamic continent. I assume we know heavy money is a weapon, and that ME powers have probably spent in the dozens to couple of hunderd B class on influence and advancing islamist ideology. We can take it for granted that the great northern de-Christianisation and demographic collapse are in progress. Such carries with it undermining of the moral buttresses of our civilisation, including the framework of natural law rights, freedoms and responsibilities that, duly balanced, are key buttresses of constitutional democracy. I suspect, many are not aware that the natural condition of the state is subjugation under oligarchy, that lawfiul oligarchy has to be fought for and that constitutional democracy did not become feasible until mid 1600's to 1700's. The undermining of buttresses and disintegration of social capital and institutional credibility point to breakdown. Such, as I noted in passing in 2016, has been collapsing at frightening pace. It is in that context that we see -- note, observe (something you are rhetorically ducking by appeal to popperian falsificationism as though it allows sidestepping understanding and recognising what has been going on) -- the dirty form McFaul cultural revolution pattern that fits in with patterns since Mao's push to grab back power in China in 1966. Let's refresh and refocus:
The years since 2000 have seen a surprising new wave of democratic breakthroughs in the postcommunist countries of Serbia, Georgia, and Ukraine. This article compares and contrasts these three cases, naming seven common factors which made the breakthroughs in these countries possible: 1) a semi-autocratic rather than fully autocratic regime [–> or perception]; 2) an unpopular incumbent [–> alt., media manipulation to demonise and stir critical mass of hostility]; 3) a united and organized opposition [–> so, shadowy, orchestrating networks]; 4) an ability quickly to drive home the point that voting results were falsified [–> i.e. media narrative domination, which can be just as easily used to slander a scapegoat], 5) enough independent media to inform citizens about the falsified vote [–> too often, this may be the orchestrated media], 6) a political opposition capable of mobilizing tens of thousands or more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud [–> or, red guards as cannon fodder], and 7) divisions among the regime’s coercive forces [–> what of, nests of the connected embedded in state, policing and law-making arms]. [See: Transitions from Post Communism, Journal of Democracy Volume 16, Number 3 July 2005]
The Egypt case is a fairly close template, with use of real police brutality as a pivot for a power push. One that worked until a military counter push stopped the radicalisation. A key cultural revolution element in the US is CriticalX-Theories used to try to delegitimise Western Civilisation and especially the Christian heritage. Destroying monuments that go far beyond Confederate Generals (thin edge of the wedge) and included church arson, attacks on courts, demands to abolish police, equation of conservativism of the Western inheritance as nazism, turning the workplace into a mini police state etc are all relevant. So are the "mostly peaceful" riots that have led to burning, looting, mayhem and chaos for days, weeks, months in 48 of 50 leading US cities. Then there are lawfare moves and the fact that every close election won by a Republican since 2000 has faced delegitimisation, are signs. The abuse of impeachment and sustained media amplified slander storms with implication of policing and intelligence agencies also speak. And there is more. The push to abolish Electoral College, pack up to 3 -4 more judges in the Supreme Court (already corrupted into a life tenure super legislature), and try to wedge in up to several more states again point. The rise of censorship and attempts to delegitimise self defence are also signs. There are more. The point is, it is now essentially certain that there will be a chaotic election, with poorly regulated mail-in voting etc. With riots already in progress with clear evidence of red guard agitators, and lawfare on the table, the McFaul playbook becomes a grim prediction, especially if come election night, Mr Trump takes the lead. Which, I expect given that he has become a most unlikely figure championing what is left of our civilisational heritage. By Jan 21, one way or another there will be an appointed president. The radicalised will view Mr Trump as a nazi (based on terrible errors and smears), especially if he is to be sworn in. If the other side are in, their radical faction will feel empowered to impose a radical cultural revolution agenda. The prospects to Dec 2021 look grim. But by then the strategic decision should be resolved. But, the vultures will have opportunities. KFkairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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KF,
Wake up!
I will add that I have contacts in some of the "hot spots" and they too would say your assessment is wildly overstated.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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Adapt or die. COVID-19 is just another thing we have to adapt to. And we can. easily. So I don’t understand the issue. Wearing a mask would be part of adapting. Hospitals and doctors would also be part of adapting. OTC supplementation is another way we can adapt. Why are evos such a clueless lot of ignorant haters?ET_{October 5, 2020
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It's estimated that 150,000 people die every day. So should we try to stop the days from coming? People die. It is what we do. There are literally hundreds to thousands of different ways you can die each and every day. Do we shelter in place because of that fact? Adapt or die. COVID-19 is just another thing we have to adapt to. And we can. easily. So I don't understand the issue.ET_{October 5, 2020
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Jerry: Also not one of the critics here has taken on the issue of “Must we all get the virus?” I think not. If the death rate is 1% then IF everyone on the planet was exposed we would expect 70 million deaths. If the death rate is 0.1% then 7 million deaths. I think that is too high. And that's not accounting for the health facilities being swamped with patients and lots of other people dying from things like cancer because they cannot get treatment. What is the end game? Protect people as much as is feasibly possible (I know, that's where the disagreements lie) until we have (if we get) a efficacious vaccine. Is it a good thing for all young adults and children that they get exposed to the virus? Why and Why not? Not: Some will die. Could be someone you know. Do you want to take that risk? AND they might easily pass it on to someone who is much more likely to die. And the more people who get infected the more copies of the virus are in existence which means more and more mutations. People say the same things about measles until someone's child dies because their parents thought it was better to expose them than to not expose them. It's all fine on paper until it's your child who dies.JVL_{October 5, 2020
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KF,
I am not making predictions, shocking, destructive, chaotic things are already happening with unprecedented declarations from aspirants to power.
You did make some specific predictions about the outcome of our national election, which I'll be reviewing in a month or so. I laid out corresponding predictions so we can do a comparison. That's what I'm looking for. Let's put your understanding (and mine) to the test.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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I have added the geostrat graphic to OP and two on HCQkairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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DS, kindly scroll up to the McFaul playbook, in marked up form. Compare to what has been happening to the US and is continuing to happen. Note the declared agendas and underlying ideologies/theories. Notice policy statements. Observe what has already been declared about contending the election i/l/o the US Supreme Court controversies, both on replacing a vacancy and court-packing. Notice what has already happened to people trying to defend themselves from the mob, including a man being choked who on being locked off from livelihood and means of raising support for defence, committed suicide on being summoned to kangaroo court. There is a lot more. Notice what already happened post 2016. Then observe what I have pointed out as incidents and trends. We are not dealing with predictions out of the blue but historically informed analysis of what is already going on. Things have already happened that go way too far. As for geostrategic vultures, remind yourself on the post Vietnam Communist surge, which BTW was also all across the Caribbean; compare my 2016 graphic in another OP, and ask yourself what has been happening over the past four years. If the UK is now concerned on developments in Barbados tracing to China, and Jamaicans half-joke about 300 years of British colonial rule, 50 years of independence and a Chinese takeover, what should that tell you? Especially as Jamaica is a bottle stopper for the Panama Canal. The implicit suggestion in your remarks, is out of line with all prudence. I am not making predictions, shocking, destructive, chaotic things are already happening with unprecedented declarations from aspirants to power. Wake up! KFkairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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Jerry,
Also not one of the critics here has taken on the issue of “Must we all get the virus?”
I'm assuming not. Anyway, I'm trying to miss this one, at least until I'm vaccinated.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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The current medical treatment for C19 is only palliative care. Could Trump set an example that there are treatments. If he recovers quickly, there is nothing to point to except that he received several treatments other than palliative care. But that should set the medical recommendations in a different direction. Also not one of the critics here has taken on the issue of "Must we all get the virus?" What is the end game? Is it a good thing for all young adults and children that they get exposed to the virus? Why and Why not? In other words, is all this mask wearing and ultra precautions nothing more than virtue signaling? And actually counter productive. By the way, the mask video I linked to above said the typical masks used in the world are actually worse than not wearing masks for getting infections. Masks become a breeding ground for disease as the moisture and viral particles get trapped in the mask. How true it that? People are starting to publish graphs on when mask mandates were implemented in various cities and countries and the number of positive tests found afterward. There is nothing in these graphs to support mask wearing as effective in preventing infections. And as we have seen most infections are no more dangerous than the common cold. And maybe for those at high risk, treatment could alleviate the infections before they progress very far.jerry_{October 5, 2020
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KF,
Now, you tell me why my concerns are not realistic.
I don't think that would be useful. I'm trying a different tack: Getting you to put some falsifiable predictions on the record. As events unfold, we will see who has the better record. If one of us ends up with a significantly better record than the other, then arguably that person has a better understanding of what is happening in the US at the moment.daveS_{October 5, 2020
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F/N: It seems there is a storm in a teacup over President Trump's morale-boosting drive-out, complete with demands for two-minute hate virtue-signalling. Sadly revealing. Here is a corrective:
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1312906142968930305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Catherine Herridge @CBS_Herridge · 12h NEW: Doctors okayed POTUS drive-by supporters. Deputy Press Secretary tells @markknoller “Appropriate precautions were taken in the execution of this movement to protect POTUS + all those supporting it, including PPE...cleared by the medical team as safe to do.” @CBSNews
My bet is, they thought it would do his morale good and was in accord with his role as national leader and politician. KFkairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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RH7, neither you nor any of your clips can seriously show that the weak basec direct cellular action and Zn ionophore effect of HCQ are not plausible. Azithromycin is an antibiotic targetting respiratory tract secondary infections and with some antiviral action too. Risks are manageable. Reanalysis of statistics even on hospitalisation, shows that yes, there is indeed significant effect. The political and gold standard fallacy kill on HCQ is a contribution to further discrediting the progressivist establishment. KF PS: It makes sense for the President to take antibody therapies, which was confirmed as a one dose intervention. Antivenin and antibody treatments are long since well established. Looks like they worked too. As for Remdesivir, it is less effective than HCQ. He is confirmed to be on Zn, Vits C and D, suggesting ionophore supplements. He is going with the regime of establishment doctors, given the chaotic circumstances. I think the antibody stuff is the decisive intervention. I assume he is on an antibiotic too, we are not getting the full picture.kairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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DS (attn MMT), I add, we are manifestly in the storm as we speak with line of drift to sandbars of Syrtis and you are in denial. Let's start with how the USA is geostrategic centre of gravity of our civilisation which has been undergoing a manifest decline and growing decadence for generations, seen in hollowing out of moral fabric, rise of holocaust of our living posterity in the womb, rise of mass confusion and indoctrination leading to deep-set polarisations. The associated disintegration of integrity and credibility of the political-policy system sets up the sort of breakdown that by the 40's BC led Rome to lifelong dictatorship. The Republic failed, the Imperium was a mark of a fatally polarised, failed state. It almost collapsed in the 200's then was divided by its leadership in the 300's and the W part disintegrated by the late 400's leading to a millennium of chaos. The E went into a lengthy decline to a rump state, with pivot in the 1060's - 70's when accession of incompetent leadership led to loss of central Anatolia (and its scorched earth ruination by enemies), which BTW was part of the context of begging for help through the crusades. One of these actually attacked the rump state on influence of Venice, leading to fatal final decline and fall by 1453. The surge into E Europe was stopped 1683 at the gates of Vienna. You are in a 4GW, McFaul colour revolution playbook, cultural revolution with backed red guards running riot, where 48 of 50 leading cities have suffered riot, arson, looting, mayhem etc, with police on obvious order to stand by. You have an election in progress where utterly discredited socialism is being advocated by those who neither understand its dangers to liberty nor its economic policy bankruptcy (i.e. failed education, malevolent, manipulated dominant media), and a mode of voting has been injected that is manifestly outright calculated to cause chaos and to compromise integrity of voting, counts and courts; under false colours of pandemic protection. You have proposals to destabilise the balance of States, Supreme Court and protective Electoral college (which forces 50 elections in parallel). In a month or so, you enter a chaotic election with aftermath running to January when a President must be sworn in, under circumstances where at this stage 1/2 the citizens will feel disenfranchised. That is the pact of accepting elections and basic legitimacy of major parties rooted in a consensus of constitutional democracy pivoting on natural law rights, freedoms and duties has been broken since the early 2000's and the breach came by power grab from the left. That will predictably be chaotic, where red guards are already running riot, backed by McFaul power brokers seeking to discredit the election. Here is the playbook, which you obviously paid not one whit of attention to:
The years since 2000 have seen a surprising new wave of democratic breakthroughs in the postcommunist countries of Serbia, Georgia, and Ukraine. This article compares and contrasts these three cases, naming seven common factors which made the breakthroughs in these countries possible: 1) a semi-autocratic rather than fully autocratic regime [–> or perception]; 2) an unpopular incumbent [–> alt., media manipulation to demonise and stir critical mass of hostility]; 3) a united and organized opposition [–> so, shadowy, orchestrating networks]; 4) an ability quickly to drive home the point that voting results were falsified [–> i.e. media narrative domination, which can be just as easily used to slander a scapegoat], 5) enough independent media to inform citizens about the falsified vote [–> too often, this may be the orchestrated media], 6) a political opposition capable of mobilizing tens of thousands or more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud [–> or, red guards as cannon fodder], and 7) divisions among the regime’s coercive forces [–> what of, nests of the connected embedded in state, policing and law-making arms]. [See: Transitions from Post Communism, Journal of Democracy Volume 16, Number 3 July 2005]
Do you not see the matches that were being played with in the corruption of courts, policing agencies and intelligence agencies since 2016? Do you not recognise the damage done through media enabling and trumpeting of same and a sham impeachment that on flimsy excuse sought to turn the US system into a parliamentary veto? In the Westminster system, Prime Ministers are NOT directly elected, representatives are. The PM is by definition whoever commands majority of the lower elected house. In the US, the President is elected through vote of an Electoral College enforcing locality and is one of just two nationally elected figures, i.e. his running mate is also similarly elected and serves as President of the Senate. Neither is like European presidents that are directly elected, which can and does lead to destabilisation. Further to this, impeachment is reserved for high crimes and misdemeanours on yardstick of treason. Hence the flimsy slander used some months back and the further campaign of defamation on dubious intelligence report. After January, the contention and chaos predictably will continue but should have a reasonably clear outcome by the end of 2021. Nearly fatal damage has already been done to the consensus of civil peace. Demands that cannot be met have been indoctrinated into pivotal groups and interests. Red guards are already in the streets and urban centres are set up for chaos. Assume a D "victory" and attempts to prosecute the leadership of the other party on the sort of trumped up, media trumpeted accusations already seen, mixed with a parallel court packing to say 12 or 13 in the already deteriorated Supreme Court, a super legislature for life. Where, locking in holocaust of the unborn, destroying the second amendment right to keep and bear arms (including persecuting those foolish enough to try to defend themselves from red guard mobs), mandating impossible socialistic and green deal agendas as well as capturing the media are all predictable. With state packing in train. Then there is line up with the two minute hate agenda or else: silence or questioning of the latest Critical X-Theory demands and ideological assertions are targetting-for-ruin invitations. Where, X ranges far and wide, rooted in Marxism. The hinterland peasantry will want to walk away from the urban dominated, corrupt election union. Alternatively, after bruising court fights, the man openly accused of being a nazi, racist and traitor wins, likely with Senate and House majorities. The already rioting red guards in their protected enclaves go to eleven. On either fork, the geostrategic vultures scent opportunity. (Actually, they have likely been part of fomenting the chaos.) Now, you tell me why my concerns are not realistic. KFkairosfocus_{October 5, 2020
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daves- Now people are whining that the President's SUV is sealed for gas attack purposes. And that the air inside is circulated. But again, his compartment would be sealed from the rest and/ or the circulated air would be heavily filtered to keep it all nice and clean. Airlines have had it figured out for decades.ET_{October 4, 2020
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The President took hydroxychloroquine back in May. These days we have more information available so I would expect he would be taking the up-to-date treatments.ET_{October 4, 2020
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Never heard of the proud boys looting, rioting and trying to burn down businesses, churches and federal courts.ET_{October 4, 2020
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India is the world’s manufacturing center for HCQ and yet...... Unconfirmed reports of US President Donald Trump taking an experimental drug after testing positive for coronavirus infection underline how Covid therapies have constantly changed over 10 months. India began its Covid-19 treatment protocol in March with antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQS) taking centre stage, but it is no longer spoken about. Everything in Covid care is speculative at the moment, said Dr Shashank Joshi, a member of the state task force on Covid-19. “We are only sure about supportive therapies such as oxygen or prone position helping patients breathe better,” he said. There is also evidence of the steroid dexamethasone working well for critically ill patients. In India, the treatment schedule almost uniformly followed across the country involved the new antivirals favipiravir and remdesivir. Dr Rahul Pandit, a member of the state task force on Covid, said it is best to start patients in hospitals with antivirals. “Mild patients are given favipiravir while those with oxygen concentration of less than 94 are given remdesivir,” he said. A doctor pointed out that many patients did not prefer favipiravir because of the cost factor. “The entire course of favipiravir tablets costs Rs 8,000-9,000. People prefer to take the inexpensive combination of anti-parasitic drug ivermectin and antibiotic doxycycline,” he said. A BMC doctor said the invermectin-doxycycline combination is good for mildly ill patients who choose home isolation. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/hcq-to-trumps-new-drug-a-tale-of-changing-therapies/articleshow/78470912.cmsrhampton7_{October 4, 2020
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Still no HCQ. Funny that they caught the infection so quickly and yet refused to implement the “cure”: President Donald Trump, who recently tested positive for the coronavirus, is now being treated with dexamethasone, a type of steroid that is often used to treat severely ill COVID-19 patients. As part of his care regimen so far, Trump has been treated with Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc.’ REGN still-investigational antibody treatment, Gilead Sciences Inc.’s GILD remdesivir, supplemental oxygen at least once, and now dexamethasone, in that order, according to Dr. Sean Conley, Trump’s physician. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-coronavirus-diagnosis-underscores-lack-of-treatment-options-for-people-with-mild-forms-of-covid-19-2020-10-02rhampton7_{October 4, 2020
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Dave
KF, You keep saying “it’s over”, but I would wager in 16 months, you’ll still be posting here. The global situation will be no worse than it is now, and likely somewhat improved. To borrow a quip, you’ve predicted 5 of the last 0 collapses of western civilization.
So, which is more appropriate? Chicken Little or The Boy Who Cried Wolf?Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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DS, I spell it out: the major dominant narrative media are dead to me, I for cause regard them as the willfully perjured, deceivers, schemers against sound civilisation, misanthropes and enablers of misanthropes, enemies of sound conscience, killers of the soul, sold on evil, seeking to buy and sell the souls of men to the highest devilish bidder in a hellish market of deception. The willfully dishonourable. Credibility, for cause, nil. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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MMT, what rubbish. I have never endorsed said group nor do I actually know enough substantial about them to give a clear conclusion. Save two things, I know not to trust the gaslighting machines and their narratives and it is obvious that their narrative here cannot be right if these are a group with multi-ethnic leadership. I am not going to take the narrative of known liars, slanderers and perjurers at face value, period. And that is something I for cause can see. If they are rioters, that falls directly under the stricture that not even in a lawful oligarchy is there excuse for riot. When I know enough to come to a conclusion, I will speak from evidence. Meanwhile, just know that over 30 years ago I had to deal with agit prop and cultic brain washing. I know the smell of groupthink partyline indoctrination only too well, and where that game ends. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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KF, You keep saying "it's over", but I would wager in 16 months, you'll still be posting here. The global situation will be no worse than it is now, and likely somewhat improved. To borrow a quip, you've predicted 5 of the last 0 collapses of western civilization.daveS_{October 4, 2020
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KF@87, the reason I brought it up is because of the hypocrisy of your repeated denouncement of BLM because some of their followers resort to violence, yet you refuse to denounce proudboys even though some of their followers resort to violence. Is it so difficult for you to understand that a movement shouldn’t be painted with a tainted brush simply because they can’t control all those who claim to be in the same movement?Mac McTavish_{October 4, 2020
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ET, he knew his troops needed a strong morale boost and a contact with undeniable truth. He put on a mask -- yup, the usual suspects just exposed that deep down they know it's more virtue signal than substance in many cases! -- went out with volunteers and touched base; face to face. Besides, we shouldn't be surprised if his virus count is way down. KFkairosfocus_{October 4, 2020
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