BREAKING: President Trump, Mrs Trump & Ms Hicks are Positive for CV-19

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October 2, 2020

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Tonight, @ FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

Hope Hicks, who has been working so hard without even taking a small break, has just tested positive for Covid 19. Terrible! The First Lady and I are waiting for our test results. In the meantime, we will begin our quarantine process!
— Donald J. Trump (@ realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

When you thought an extraordinarily chaotic year could not pull out another twist. Well, here it is. END

PS: As broad context

PPS: For reference on HCQ

Also:

PPPS: A sampler from a former CEO, Twitter (cf discussion at Forbes [also here]) commented on by Michelle Malkin, a few days ago:

See, now, that this is NOT a normal silly season cycle?

PPPPS: A summary on the U/L trajectory of CV19:

Comments

A tweet that reflects my observations with relatives, friends and acquaintances
One thing I've learned this year is that about 50% of the population LIKES living in fear. They actually enjoy it. If you tell them anything that may question their fear bubble, provide hope, or reduce panic, they get angry at you.
They then actually stop talking with you and actively do not want contradictory information. Not just liberals but some conservative friends too.jerry_{November 25, 2020
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Woke up this morning and found out Alex Berenson’s new booklet is available. It’s about the usefulness of masks or more accurately apparently about the mirage around mask usage.
Unreported Truths About Covid-19 and Lockdowns: Part 3: Masks
https://www.amazon.com/Unreported-Truths-About-Covid-19-Lockdowns-ebook/dp/B08P3T15PW/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1606305398&sr=1-2 Haven’t read it obviously since I just bought it. It’s his third booklet on C19. If you want facts about C19, two people to read are Alex and William Briggs. His Twitter page highlights the obstacles with getting Amazon to publish it.jerry_{November 25, 2020
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Trump also promised that it would go away with the warm weather and that we would have the vaccine before the election, and that he would have a replacement for the ACA, and that Mexico would pay for the wall…
I thought you said you were leaving.jerry_{November 21, 2020
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KF@479, Trump also promised that it would go away with the warm weather and that we would have the vaccine before the election, and that he would have a replacement for the ACA, and that Mexico would pay for the wall... When you make hundreds of bald assertions, one of them is bound to come true. Don’t you think the profit incentive to be the first company to develop a vaccine might have something to do with it?Mac McTavish_{November 21, 2020
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Why, KF? Moderna and Pfizer seem to be getting some good results, and vaccines work for other diseases. And are your doubts such that you think we shouldn't be putting time and money into developing and deploying them?Viola Lee_{November 21, 2020
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Jerry,
The masquerade is off the masks.
All this shows is that wearing non-medical masks does not reduce your risk of getting COVID. But this was fairly well understood. However, an infected person wearing a mask has a much reduced chance of spreading the virus because it reduces the aerosols caused by breathing. This study was not designed to test the effectiveness of everyone wearing masks.Mac McTavish_{November 21, 2020
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U/D: JVL in another thread: >>1382 JVL November 21, 2020 at 8:15 am (Edit) @Mike_Pence President @realDonaldTrump promised the American people a safe and effective vaccine by the end of 2020 and he DELIVERED! Because of his leadership & Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer completed its trial with a vaccine that is 95% effective on patients, including Seniors. 11/18/2020 8:36 am https://www.whitehouse.gov >> As for me, I have doubts on enduring efficacy of any vaccine against a corona, RNA virus. KFkairosfocus_{November 21, 2020
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Watt’s Up has a plug for Doug Axe, Jay Richards and William Briggs book!
Highly recommend the book. It's a lesson in economics and human behavior as well as a straightforward discussion of the virus from a statistical viewpoint.jerry_{November 19, 2020
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Watt's Up has a plug for Doug Axe, Jay Richards and William Briggs book! https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/17/where-are-all-the-sick-people/ET_{November 19, 2020
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The masquerade is off the masks. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817jerry_{November 18, 2020
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Sev, strawman argument. KFkairosfocus_{November 17, 2020
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seversky:
So. if someone were to casually point a gun in your general direction and pull the trigger, you’d be fine with that?
As long as it's casual, why not? What type of gun? How far away? What if I shoot them first? You know, business as usual.ET_{November 16, 2020
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Just the cost of doing business?
Has the response to C19 caused 10-100 times more deaths than C19 itself. Maybe a 1000 times more deaths when you consider how many lives could have been saved with prompt treatment. So compare current advocated policy of doctors who treat early with lockdowns and Fauci recommendations. His advice and others like him had led to several million unneeded deaths first from the lack of treatment of the virus and the enormous strain that has killed millions due to the lockdowns. Do you support all these people dying because your comments indicate that you do. So I would not be the one taking a moral high ground on this.jerry_{November 16, 2020
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Jerry/471
A faux response. Every time someone gets in a car, they risk the lives of others. How many people have been in an accident? The answer tens of millions
So. if someone were to casually point a gun in your general direction and pull the trigger, you'd be fine with that? Just the cost of doing business?Seversky_{November 16, 2020
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If people want to risk their own lives, fine. Under no circumstances do they they have the right to risk the lives of others.
A faux response. Every time someone gets in a car, they risk the lives of others. How many people have been in an accident? The answer tens of millions.jerry_{November 16, 2020
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Sev, the one thing we CANNOT do, is live in a community and not expose others to risk of life, health and limb. Ponder, driving on the roads. In context, the issue is net balance on loss of life years, where lockdowns and dislocations trigger spikes in other deaths due to dislocation and despair. Those don't show up in CV19 statistics but they are real in the community. Evidence suggests they likely have already exceeded CV19 deaths. KFkairosfocus_{November 16, 2020
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LoL! @ seversky- Just going to work or school, without covid-19 is a risk of life. The people who don't want to risk their lives need to find a place to isolate themselves. Or they can just smarten up and start taking the medically recommended OTC supplements. Their own ignorance is a risk to their own lives. The majority should nit have to bend to the vast minority.ET_{November 16, 2020
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If people want to risk their own lives, fine. Under no circumstances do they they have the right to risk the lives of others.Seversky_{November 16, 2020
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MMT, and what season is it in Northern Hemisphere? Why could it be that UK, US, Russia, Germany, Italy, Ukraine and Iran all see a sharp rise since about Sept-Oct, but India and Brazil have relatively small bumps or rises? KFkairosfocus_{November 16, 2020
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And the USA's summer peak had nothing to do with the riots and massive biker rally in SD. :roll: Nothing to do with all of the celebrations and people getting out and enjoying life. People that understand that life comes with risks and were willing to take those risks. Whiners whine. The rest of us will get one with our lives.ET_{November 15, 2020
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I don’t think that the differences can be explained as simply as you.
I did explain it. The second spike along with the first spike was less than Europe. If you disagree then why don't you try to explain it? You showed a tremendous spike in new cases in Europe. Isn't it desirable to have a spike in new cases? The original assessment was that everyone would have to get it so why not sooner. What you are trying to do is limit the long term death and harm to a country. But the medical establishment in the US says do not treat the virus. They are literally killing people with their advice. The original reason for delaying getting the virus was to limit the effects on hospitals. But we have seen that this did not happen. In fact they had to close hospitals for lack of patients and lay off medical people. So why is a spike in new cases bad since there is no way to contain the virus. Also better to get the spike amongst those who will be least affected.jerry_{November 15, 2020
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Jerry
Easy, the US has 330 millions people and. what you saw it just the effects of different parts of the US responding at different times.
And Europe has 700 million.
Also the lockdowns were relaxed and this led to inevitable deaths in the future being pushed forward as there was more free movement. The upward trend in the summer was due to a few states opening up their movement.
Europe also opened up in the summer, and even opened up international travel. I don’t think that the differences can be explained as simply as you.Mac McTavish_{November 15, 2020
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I’m just interested in trying to understand the reasons for the difference.
Easy, the US has 330 millions people and. what you saw it just the effects of different parts of the US responding at different times. Also the lockdowns were relaxed and this led to inevitable deaths in the future being pushed forward as there was more free movement. The upward trend in the summer was due to a few states opening up their movement. Now one could argue that there should not be free movement but that has its own negative outcomes. When judged one agains the other the prudent policy was to open up as less damage would be done. Welcome to discuss any of this. See https://bit.ly/35tUE98 I would also point to Fauci's extremely poor leadership as the medical spokesperson for the government. Tens of thousands of lives could have been saved or postponed if he was truthful and pointed to effective medical treatments. But he did just the opposite.
in part, the issue is that such a novel highly contagious disease is extraordinarily difficult to manage.
See link just above for the inevitability of the virus. That coupled with the recommendation not to treat it was a formula for a bad result. As it is the virus seems to mainly affect those with weak immune systems. Fauci didn't ever address this let alone a direct treatment.jerry_{November 15, 2020
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Jerry
What do you mean by third wave?
A distinct peak in April, a second distinct peak in August and a third peak that we are currently approaching. You can clearly see it here. Most other countries that saw their first peak about the same time did not see the summer peak that we did, in spite of many of them opening their borders. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases I have provided a combined plot for the EU below. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/is_large/public/images/novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-11-15.png?itok=fHNaslBh I’m just interested in trying to understand the reasons for the difference.Mac McTavish_{November 15, 2020
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Jerry, in part, the issue is that such a novel highly contagious disease is extraordinarily difficult to manage. KFkairosfocus_{November 15, 2020
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So weightlifters are going to be OK as we take nitric oxide on a daily basis- well the lifters who want gains, anyway. And melatonin fights the cytokine storm. As I said, we can easily fight this virus with OTC supplements. Easily.ET_{November 15, 2020
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What I don’t understand is why the US is into our third wave
Couple things. What do you mean by third wave? Second, I would look to the incompetence of Dr Fauci. He has been lying since the beginning of this virus and the cause of most of the deaths by his bad advice. You would think he would know something but demonstrates bad judgment and bad direction at nearly every utterance.jerry_{November 15, 2020
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The links I just posted are fairly recent because I found them by going through recent emails with my medical friends.
Your medical friends are ill informed if this is what you are just learning and only learning. Nowhere did you mention medical treatment to prevent the conditions you brought up. That should have been the discussion six months ago. I would get some more knowledgeable medical sources. If you had been here for the last six months you would have been better informed. If you just had read this thread you would have learned a great deal and also the fake news that is out there. One of our commenters excels at posting fake news.jerry_{November 15, 2020
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F/N: i repeat from 424:
I suggest that the pivotal issues are that a highly contagious epidemic is hard to contain, witness the return to lockdown in Europe, hitherto touted as a sort of gold standard. Next, many months ago there was a credible, empirically warranted treatment approach on the table, undermined through pressure from the sort of folks who now want to scapegoat Mr Trump for the claimed failure. Key frameworks were shifted into a corner, that alters dynamics and possibilities. Next, similarly, the testing possibilities were artificially constrained by failing to balance on not just detection threshold but incidence of traces relevant to disease, so tests of order 1% the cost of the PCR approach were suppressed at a key time, shifting the options to manage, a $1 a pop quick but good enough test allows a much more flexible approach; such would have done a world of good to Caribbean tourism markets, but then that is an aside. As well we are facing a dismal science choice: it is not just deaths and cases attributed to CV 19 that are relevant, but overall deaths including those due to economic dislocation and despair, which are credibly already well beyond the CV19 toll, especially as counted by lost working years. Sometimes the way things are argued reminds me of the USSR presenting world maps with US bases here and there, and suggesting imperial power. A counter map of USSR etc bases and operations shifted the balance to recognising that the world was fighting an unacknowledged world war, sometimes called the cold war, in reality WW3; a famous case was with Pope John Paul II, who went on to materially contribute to the victory in that war. We need to consider things in balance.
I see no good reason to revise those points. KFkairosfocus_{November 15, 2020
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What I don’t understand is why the US is into our third wave whereas most other countries are only into their second wave, even though the first wave for most of them started earlier than it did for us. Does anyone have an explanation?Mac McTavish_{November 14, 2020
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