Systems are not perfect, but . . . END
U/D: The FAA Tweeted:
The FAA @FAANewsUpdate 5: Normal air traffic operations are resuming gradually across the U.S. following an overnight outage to the Notice to Air Missions system that provides safety info to flight crews. The ground stop has been lifted. We continue to look into the cause of the initial problem9:50 AM · Jan 11, 2023·1.4M Views
Looks like a bug or maybe system overload, of what type has not been announced.
US Flights delay — computer glitch?
Clown show. This is what happens when DIE (DEI) trumps competence.
The American people are getting the government they deserve. We have just finished the mid terms and the voting public voted for this, every vote cast for a Dem was a vote for Biden and his administration. Let it all burn down.
Vivid
Vivid, could you explain? Is there a bug that has crawled out because some threshold was crossed? Are networks overloaded? What is the detailed report or credibly informed discussion? I know no sufficiently complex software can be bug free, so graceful degradation should be built in. KF
KF
Obviously it’s a system error the Transportation Sec floated a hack. More likely one of the causes had to do with Covid and the Vax mandate I understand a lot of systems software people retired. So they are understaffed.
Like everything else this administration does we will be gaslighted and they will blame “not enough money we need more”
This is not his first rodeo
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/buttigieg-battered-crises-first-two-years-transportation-secretary-prime-example-failing-up
He couldn’t even fix the pot holes in South Bend and one of the first things he did after his appointment was to go on maternity leave
Vivid
Goebbels aka let’s “circle back” , another DIE hire, will be on soon. She is one wrung lower on the intersectionality ladder than Pete so I am sure we will get some truthful answers, not!
Vivid
I see something about reloading so maybe they had to roll back to a known good point and build forward? But what triggered the choke-up? Software is not a matter of throw $$$$ at it, you need solid competence, so if a loss of key people due to the pandemic mismanagement is involved this may be onward cascaded but delayed failure. And if this is just the first swallow of the summer . . . But then, we need facts, straight facts, we are getting vague statements and mixed messages, hack vs no external interference, etc. Is there a press conference by a senior manager?
No
KF
Evidently they have no back up systems. They can give billions upon billions to the corrupt, undemocratic, Ukraine regime but nothing for a crucial back up system for the FAA. Makes one wonder how much dirt they have on the corrupt Biden crime family.
Vivid
“They can give billions upon billions to the corrupt, undemocratic, Ukraine regime”
…and toss around billions and billions in the name of Climate Change and not affect the temperature at all.
Andrew
The FAA priority’s
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/11/bumbling-faa-focused-on-lgbtqi-inclusivity-herstory-gender-neutral-language/
Vivid
Vivid, infrastructure software is not showy and this one has to have a huge, networked back-end database that is updated in real time. I saw something on reloading the system, suggesting they reverted to a known good point and dealt with the incremental updates on airport etc status. I suspect corrupted information and maybe broken networks? As for billions to Ukraine, I am a little realpolitik, backing a bad regime that blocks a worse may avert a catastrophic war, and buys you leverage to promote reform. If Ukraine falls, Belarus is next with the Baltics behind. If Finland and Sweden want to join NATO and Switzerland wants to upgrade its silent de facto informal quasi membership, they are worried. Then, the Chinese are watching, with an eye on Taiwan. The corruption is bad, the undemocratic acts are bad, WW4 — WW3 was the Cold War — is horrifically worse. KF
I flew from Minneapolis to Vegas yesterday. It was no big deal. You guys can make a devious conspiracy out of anything. I’m gonna nickname you “The Mountain out of a Molehill Gang.” It’s really pathetic……
Viva Las Vegas—Elvis lives….
“You guys can make a devious conspiracy out of anything. I’m gonna nickname you “The Mountain out of a Molehill Gang.” It’s really pathetic……”
What conspiracy theory?
Vivid
CD, no one has suggested a conspiracy to shut down US flights, though there has been concern on US funding of Ukraine (which DOES have a reputation for extraordinary corruption); you will note, please, my remark above that such funding may be advisable given the dominoes waiting to topple behind — and I am concerned Putin may escalate sharply, as happened in 1939/40 with Finland. However, you are yet again in violation of the right to innocent reputation by projection to the despised other. I suggest reconsidering. KF
I’m not sure what the situation in Eastern Europe has to do with an FAA glitch. This, on the other hand, is a doozy:
Sounds like something out of an abstruse Derrida tome. KF, you really need to lighten up……
@Vividbleau:
Der Stuermer is confused. The priority of the FAA is to modernize their infrastructure. FAA’s systems have been a failure for a very long time… long before the leftists’ push for gender neutral language. Also I don’t think the FAA’s communication department can help out fixing the infrastructure, they are not engineers.
Wait until planes start falling from the sky (sarc)
FAA priorities
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2018/06/02/aviation-attorney-to-tucker-carlson-faa-is-putting-diversity-ahead-of-safety/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/11/faa-2023-budget-features-focus-climate-crisis-racial-equity/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/14/transportation-secretary-pete-buttigieg-on-paid-leave-since-mid-august-amid-supply-crisis/
https://nypost.com/2023/01/11/37-hour-amtrak-train-delay-prompts-passengers-to-call-911/
Vivid
Why are they in a hospital bed? Neither one of them gave birth. Pure theatre just like the time when he rode to his office in a gas guzzler SUV and got out a few blocks away and got on his bike and road the 2 blocks virtue signaling how committed he was to carbon reduction. Pure theatre. Clown show
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmM4t-vXgAAtnpH?format=jpg&name=medium
Vivid
Folks, getting back to the issue. Let us notice, keeping planes on the ground and rebuilding a known good present state in the context of reloading the software, restored “normal” function. That is suggestive. The system generally works reasonably reliably, but something put it into an untrustworthy state. It looks like a hack has not been eliminated, given some remarks; which could raise questions of cyber hack or system corruption by some sort of invasive malware. Which, could have been lurking then triggered. Or, something was coming from the network that was not just isolated corrupt data. Could there have been an avalanche of echoed messages overwhelming the network? (Denial of service of some sort, through network overload.) Assuming a hot backup, that could cripple that too, forcing shut down, rebooting a known good initial state from offline storage, and rebuilding a current state from trusted data. We need sound information starting with clarification, was this a hack, and if so who . . . given recent known hacks. Of course, this was specifically software not hardware. The silence and vagueness suggest something embarrassing happened or something that if it were public knowledge would trigger massive public anger. Something is odd here (knowing the tendency to manipulate public information) and needs attention. KF
PS, contrast the Philippines:
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/philippines-air-traffic-recovering-following-atc-outage
Notice, straightforward. Power went down, presumably including backup (a bad sign). Notice, too, Internet is integrated with the network. I suspect — just on security — the US ATC system should run over the general telephone network, but isolated from the common Internet. Of course, I could be wrong, and if the ordinary Internet has been brought in to cut costs, that would be a vulnerable access point for hacking.
However, the main point of lack of transparency is made.
Sliding down on the article about the Philippines:
This is one day after the event.
CD, you really need to learn to respect others and basic rights including to innocent reputation. Waltzing in with instant, unsubstantiated dismissive remarks on conspiracy theorising is out of order and you must know that. Then oh your style, is a squid ink cloud distractor on being called out. Lessee: your + right is obvious, to + innocent + reputation is just as obvious. Joining the two is perfectly coherent and comprehensible. Rights imply duties, and that is reasonable. Waltzing in with accusations or ad homs just so, no need to regard the reputation of the [obviously despised] other, speaks. It is now far too common and is corrosive of civilisation. There is a serious issue of sci tech news on the table. Do you have something substantial to say, apart from you personally were lucky to avoid serious delay? [That has no bearing on the overall picture.] KF
AC, you too, Breitbart is not a neo-nazi hate site and pardon your hostility and accusatory attitude are showing. If you have something genuinely substantial to say, kindly put it on the table with its warrant. Even HuffPost or Wikipedia would do. KF
F/N: Well, well, well, went looking for Wiki, but found “der sturmer, 2” — NOT:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/01/faa-outage-that-grounded-flights-blamed-on-old-tech-and-damaged-database-file/
F/N2: From this article, it looks like they are in system development hell:
Notice, how hard it is to get a complex, deeply integrated system right.
@kairosfocus:
Oh please, you know very well that I was talking to V, who made the comment “Goebbels aka let’s “circle back” , another DIE hire (…)”. V is not a snowflake. No need to whine like a leftist feminist.
Btw. I was referring to a Retures article which is linked in one of the linked articles you’ve posted:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/faa-has-struggled-modernize-computer-air-traffic-operations-2023-01-12/
AC, no I did not, and V would be wrong to label a spokesperson as Goebbels who was an arch propagandist. US Govt spokespersons are increasingly propagandistic but are not at his level yet. My main reference is to arstechnica, which came out yesterday, at last some facts. From the outset they should have been as forthcoming as the Philippines. They instantly knew there were corrupt files, it seems in the main database and its first backup. The wider issue of software development hell needs to be addressed, as well as budgets. Too many big ticket software projects fail or are sub par. KF
Vivid, 5 above, let us refrain from extreme comparisons. There is too much narrative manipulation yes, but it is not yet Goebbels on a routine basis. That said, I am very troubled by what seems to be a playing out reichstag fire type incident. KF
KF/21
🙂
KF
Got it. I am just so tired of being gaslighted by the massive propaganda machine. Five officers killed on Jan 6th a blatant, intentional lie.The vote that allows babies to be killed after birth , we are no different from the worshipers of Baal
“Temple prostitution and sensual forms of worship were common in Baal worship as was occasional human sacrifice, namely children, who were burnt alive to appease the god of fertility”
We are not a civilized nation.
Vivid
KF
Forgot to add that the mother of the only one who was killed was arrested on the same day they were spewing their lies.
Vivid
Vivid, yes, she should have been properly escorted and treated with dignity. Instead she was publicly arrested for a traffic violation. Policing agencies will be well advised to avoid obvious one-sidedness. KF
F.N: CNET reports
https://www.cnet.com/news/thousands-of-flights-delayed-after-faa-outage/
FAA tweet:
They would have known this at outset.
KF
F/N: I see more here:
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-01-11/flight-delays-us-after-faa-computer-outage
We see a third element, a reversion to phone hotlines, overwhelmed. That, too was known at outset. This now becomes a case of a habit of metering out information in ways that in the end will undermine the respect of the public, not just travellers. This is a window on a much wider issue of transparency, truthfulnes and trustworthiness.
And we also see numbers on the scope of cancellations and delays, this was not no bid deal.
KF
F/N: Apparently, a similar breakdown happened in Canada on the 11th:
https://simpleflying.com/canada-notam-disruption-2023/
KF