. . . and similar manipulative spin and mob-ocracy games masquerading as truth, news, knowledge/education, etc now clearly needs to be confronted — if we are to think straight and act soundly in good time to avoid going over the cliff as a civilisation:
Of Lemmings, marches of folly and cliffs of self-falsifying absurdity . . .
The Parable of Plato’s Cave (and the linked idea of the Overton Window):
. . . has much to teach us in a media-dominated age where manipulators keep trying to push/pull our window of acceptability through deceit, poison, accusation, polarising and more.
Especially if we ask ourselves: how does the shadow show come to be, and how is a community so manipulated that it loses contact with objective reality?
Acts 27 gives us a picture in miniature (once we realise that it was common knowledge that some seasons were dangerous for sailing in the Mediterranean basin of 2,000 years ago, but that many people can be induced to go along with those they look up to for leadership, power and expertise):
>>Ac 27:4 . . . putting out to sea from there [= Sidon] we sailed under the lee of Cyprus, because the winds were against us.5 And when we had sailed across the open sea along the coast of Cilicia and Pamphylia, we came to Myra in Lycia.6 There the centurion found a ship of Alexandria sailing for Italy and put us on board.7 We sailed slowly for a number of days and arrived with difficulty off Cnidus, and as the wind did not allow us to go farther, we sailed under the lee of Crete off Salmone.8 Coasting along it with difficulty, we came to a place called Fair Havens, near which was the city of Lasea.
9 Since much time had passed, and the voyage was now dangerous because even the Fast[a] was already over, Paul advised them,10 saying, “Sirs, I perceive that the voyage will be with injury and much loss, not only of the cargo and the ship, but also of our lives.”11 But the centurion paid more attention to the pilot and to the owner of the ship than to what Paul said.12 And because the harbor was not suitable to spend the winter in, the majority decided to put out to sea from there, on the chance that somehow they could reach Phoenix, a harbor of Crete, facing both southwest and northwest, and spend the winter there.
The Storm at Sea
13 Now when the south wind blew gently, supposing that they had obtained their purpose, they weighed anchor and sailed along Crete, close to the shore.14 But soon a tempestuous wind, called the northeaster, struck down from the land.15 And when the ship was caught and could not face the wind, we gave way to it and were driven along.16 Running under the lee of a small island called Cauda,[b] we managed with difficulty to secure the ship’s boat.17 After hoisting it up, they used supports to undergird [= frap] the ship. Then, fearing that they would run aground on the Syrtis, they lowered the gear,[c] and thus they were driven along.18 Since we were violently storm-tossed, they began the next day to jettison the cargo.19 And on the third day they threw the ship’s tackle overboard with their own hands.20 When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope of our being saved was at last abandoned.
21 Since they had been without food for a long time, Paul stood up among them and said, “Men, you should have listened to me and not have set sail from Crete and incurred this injury and loss.22 Yet now I urge you to take heart, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship.23 For this very night there stood before me an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I worship,24 and he said, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar. And behold, God has granted you all those who sail with you.’25 So take heart, men, for I have faith in God that it will be exactly as I have been told.26 But we must run aground on some island.”>>
Here, Mr Moneybags and his bought- and- paid- for technico manipulated the passengers and the Centurion into going along with a foolhardy voyage. That Jeremiah over there in chains with scars from three previous shipwrecks? Just ignore that half-mad idiot rejected by his own people. We are the experts and our consensus is, we can do it . . . it will only take an afternoon’s sail on a comfortable reach to go forty miles to a safe and commodious harbour. Of course, the predictable result of turning democracy into a manipulated de-mockracy, was shipwreck.
And, on many, many dimensions, that is exactly what we face today.
(BTW, I think we would all profit from reading and viewing this Melanie Philips article and video interview here.)
Our challenge is to de-spin the dominant agenda and its seven mountains/ commanding heights citadels, to come to a critical mass of prudence towards a sounder more sustainable alternative:
Oh yes, I doubt that it is a mere accident that the Limousine torched on Trump’s Inauguration day
. . . was rented for Wallnau, and that the bought and paid for “Anarchists” — a dead political movement if ever there was one — claimed to be “We the People.”
Where, it is worth the while to pause and unpack the old Soviet/Bolshevik term, agit prop.
Namely, it strictly/narrowly . . . per current dictionary definitions . . . speaks to twisting the theatre, arts, literature and the like into propaganda. However, on both the history and the inherent dynamics as work it readily extends to the mob-ocracy game, in which the streets and news media or institutions of intellectual leadership and education — notice the appeals to “consensus” on matters of controversy or where something is patently wrong with the dominant and too often domineering schools of thought . . . — are turned into a grand theatre projecting shadow shows confused for reality.
Often, such shadow shows are sponsored by governments, sometimes by powerful factions. And of course, such theatre too often becomes bloody, creating a horrific escalating spiral of chaos, confusion, retaliation and polarisation.
U/D, Feb 2 — it looks like live events are demonstrating my point:
Here is a girl being struck and pepper-sprayed at UC Berkeley for the thought crime of objecting to the riots:
(Ask yourself, what if she has a medical condition such as grand mal epilepsy or asthma or the like that could be triggered, sometimes with severe consequences? Do these rioters think or care about what fires they could be playing with?)
Likewise, people are being chased and struck to the ground by blackshirts (pardon language that pops up):
Here is some media coverage, in this case backgrounders leading up to a telephone interview with the proposed speaker whose speech event was shut down by the riot:
(I further understand her husband was beaten unconscious [which more or less implies concussion injuries] with several of his ribs being broken.)
U/D Feb 6th: The friend “pepper” sprayed during an interview also speaks out about the attack, indicating that it was the identification as My/Trump supporters that triggered the first and second attacks:
(And in case you think pepper spraying is minor, consider the implicit threat as something much more destructive up to a poison gas could easily have been used. BTW, why didn’t someone realise, assault with a potentially deadly weapon and tackle this suspect/perpetrator to the ground? ANS: People are not trained for that and by the time you observe, orient, decide and begin to react [cf. on John Boyd’s OODA Loop, here] it is over for good or ill; that is why trained security should have been right there, preferably law enforcement. It is also why a clear entry area protected by barriers with adequate separation should have been in place . . . another point of negligence by the authorities. Likewise consider how dazzling was used to initiate the second attack, which ended in mayhem: disorientation that could easily have prepared for anything from kidnapping to stabbing or shooting. If the pepper spray woman can be caught and interrogated, this would be important as she — it is likely to have been one individual — initiated the attack sequence. Given the hostile nature of the interview, perhaps it would be useful to interrogate the interviewer as possibly being complicit given what happened and what could all too easily have happened. Then, compare this sort of coverage with how the major media have treated the events at UCB last Wednesday evening, to see how street agitation and bully-boy tactics then feed into the theatre of narrative propaganda, spin tactics, gaslighting and outright brainwashing. Something truly ugly is going on.)
U/D Feb 5th: Meanwhile, we have a picture of police in riot gear inside the student union while riot-induced chaos was going on outside:
The poster of this very tellingly asks:
>>I was at UC Berkeley last night. Here is a pic I got after the speech cancellation of nearly 100 SWAT and campus police sitting inside the student union building doing NOTHING while people were getting beaten outside. WHO told them to stand down?>>
Further U/D Feb 5, pm: Notice — HT Zero Hedge, Feb 2nd — how the street theatre then gets projected by the media houses (CNN as an example, but take note of ZH’s own perspectives, too . . . ) to suit their particular agendas and narratives:
Under certain circumstances, agit prop becomes not just rioting but rebellion and guerrilla war — these days, 4th generation war [think of how the Palestinian Arab uprisings and declaratively genocidal terrorism campaigns have come to be viewed as “liberation” struggles by many across the world . . . ] — or even radical revolution.
I again point to the de-spinning framework I developed a decade ago:
Let us wake up to what is in front of us regarding not just design debates but ever so many issues and agendas across our civilisation. Plato’s grim warning from nearly 2360 years ago, is again all too apt:
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Ath [in The Laws, Bk X 2,350+ ya]. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical “material” elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ –> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . .
[Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ –> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by “winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . ” cf a video on Plato’s parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ –> Evolutionary materialism — having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT — leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for “OUGHT” is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in “spin”) . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ –> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality “naturally” leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ –> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, “naturally” tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush — as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them [–> nihilistic will to power not the spirit of justice and lawfulness].
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To be forewarned is — if we are wise — to be forearmed. END
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Pindi, You are being over the top. WJM spoke to what he knew of, you wanted details. Based on what I have noted I pointed to some indicators that something IS out there, you now want to play at hyperskeptical, sneeringly dismissive games by projecting snide hints of lunacy. Shame on you, I came to awareness in the years when I saw the P2 Lodge bring down a Govt and shake the Vatican. I lived through clear Intel agency subversion that sparked a civil war in my homeland and taught me about agit prop and media shadow show tactics the hard way. The blood of a dear auntie was shed through that ugly tactic. I was nearly victimised in a student meeting by communist agit prop operators in the way the UCB victims were, and within a couple of hours that led straight to students being used as cannon fodder to block a key road down which military reinforcements would have to come, leading to the Mobile Reserve charge following up teargas and M16's on full auto loaded with blanks [as in next time it WON'T be blanks . . . ] just above students' heads. (Where, I was present when a commi student blurted out details of trying to do a Phillipines or a Haiti in Jamaica to get the bloody shirt to trigger revolution, only to be dragged out of the meeting by the ear by a leading Commi also in the meeting. That was 1986 in case you don't know or have forgotten the history.) Did you even pause to look at the report on Savile, a case of pedo implicating the power circles and institutions of the UK -- including BBC -- as, how such went on for decades is "mysterious" indeed? As for things that go well beyond pedo (cited as one indicator that there be dragons there), did you ponder where these blackshirts have come from, how they are organised, funded and trained? (Have you taken time to actually follow the issues of agit prop agitation and manipulative media shadow shows moving in lock-step, as the OP points to? Did you read or view Plato's Parable of the Cave and his parable of the mutinous ship of state, comparing the state of our democracies?) Believe you me or not as you please, the tactics we saw on the streets that tellingly echo the SA are not spontaneous. As for taking over, ponder theP2 Lodge story in Italy here [deliberately, Wiki as that would be on the progressivist side] with here -- Guardian, ditto -- and here for starters, then look at the way pols etc in the UK are often controlled by holding embarrassing details to be released on cue, such as happened to Mr Cameron, multiplying by the gangland initiation requirement of incriminating oneself. That is very likely just the tip of a very ugly iceberg, showing that deep and broad corruption is very real and enmeshing. Just ponder a what-if, where just perhaps corrupt power circles will only progressively promote to the next inner ring [yes, read C S Lewis' essay on the inner ring], those they have increasing levels of blackmail-level leverage on. Compare the praxis of SMICE in intel work, sex, money, ideology, compromise and extortion. Likewise, ask yourself how the US came to be flying was it four planeloads totalling US$ 1.6 billions in cash to a nuke threshold, leading terrorism sponsoring state, and making a deal behind that that is just pregnant with rivers of blood. Did you pause to look at the bio of the rapist of Africa, Rhodes, and what he proposed in his earlier will? Notice a very close resemblance of those C19 ideas to the League of Nations and the UN? I put it to you, there's none so blind as he who WILL not see. Where, WJM is perfectly able to speak for himself when he wants to. KFkairosfocus
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So let me get this straight. This worldwide army of networked classical liberals and conservatives that WJM knows about are in a war against progressive globalists who are somehow taking over the world through the medium of paedophilia?
Fascinating. [backs away slowly...]Pindi
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Pindi, I spoke to what I know about; in a context where pedo has been a notorious problem of corrupt power elites for thousands of years; to the point that Zeus in mythology had a catamite (duly written into the names of the Galillean moons of Jupiter as in, hint, hint). So, that there are corrupt pedo networks in power circles should not be a big surprise. I guess you did not ponder the implications of even just the decades-long Savile case in the UK, with report by a BBC Trust that in my personal experience understates issues and protects BBC; ponder what had to be going on for this to remain under wraps so long. As for fascist tactics, just scroll up and see what the blackshirts have been up to already. Compare with Hitler's behaviour with a speaker in a Bavarian Beer Hall in 1921. Beyond, I suspect WJM has his own info. As to your dismissiveness, that's little more than don't believe yer lyin' eyes -- spoken to someone who has dealt with this stuff on the ground decades ago, and so I can read it. If you look just above, on cue we have talking point scripts laced with slanders and falsities to feed the street and media narratives, with a money trail. KFkairosfocus
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KF, so "pedo linked offences" etc are what WJM is referring to when he references "the criminal enterprises and fascist plans of the progressive globalists"?
Sounds like the product of a fevered imagination to me.Pindi
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Looks like smoking gun, Soros-backed scripts to disrupt townhalls and make accusations. Aaron Klein:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/28/soros-groups-provide-word-word-anti-trump-script-protesters-use-lawmakers/
>>An organization partnered with far-left groups that calls itself the Revolutionary Love Project distributed an actual script with anti-Trump talking points for citizens to use when meeting with constituents in town halls, including during last week’s Congressional recess.
The script provides word-for-word language suggestions that accuse the Trump administration of “xenophobia, racism, and Islamophobia.” It asks activists to use the descriptors to petition their representatives to “forcefully condemn” and support legislation opposing President Trump’s immigration and border security agendas.
The script is entitled, “#NoBanNoWallNoRaids Talking Points for Congressional Townhalls.”
It ends with contact information for activists from two groups heavily financed by billionaire George Soros – Avideh Moussavian at the National Immigration Law Center and Deepa Iyer at the Center for Social Inclusion.
Contacted by Breitbart News, Moussavian confirmed his group “contributed” to the script “in response to overwhelming concern and fear stemming from the January 27th executive order that sought to ban the entry of refugees and Muslims and in response to mounting questions from community members about how to express these concerns to policy makers.”
Despite Moussavian’s claims, Trump’s executive order did not seek to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. It temporarily halted the refugee program while the flawed security screening process could be reworked.
The anti-Trump script for activists is meant to aid a project driven by the George Soros-funded MoveOn.org group declaring the week of February 18-26 – the first congressional recess of the 115th Congress – to be “Resistance Recess.”
The project called on activists to show up at “elected officials’ events, town halls, and other public appearances to make it clear to those who represent us in Congress, as well as to the media, that tolerance of the Trump Administration’s hurtful policies is intolerable, that indifference or idleness is not acceptable, that complacency is politically toxic.”>>
--> media shadow show actors need scripts, and it looks like we got some here.
--> Talking points, courtesy Soros et al:
>>Members of the 115th Congress are holding meetings and town halls in their districts during the
week of February 18-26th
. This is the time to demand that your member of Congress take action
on issues affecting immigrants and refugees in light of the executive orders issued by the Trump
Administration. Find out more about the events scheduled in your district here or here.
Step 1. Who You Are. My name is ______ and I’m a resident of _______. Add a
description of your connection to the community (I am a parent; I am a small business owner; I
am an immigrant).
Step 2. Your Concerns. I am particularly concerned about the Administration’s efforts to
target and criminalize immigrants, refugees and people entering our country from Muslim-
majority countries . . . .
Use any of the below talking points to buttress your concerns:
*Trump’s executive orders to deport undocumented immigrants, to punish so-called sanctuary
cities for defending the Constitution, to ban people from seven Muslim-majority countries, and
to shut the door on refugees all have one thing in common: they are rooted in hate, bigotry and a
desire to instill fear rather than promote unity. We call this xenophobia, racism, and
Islamophobia.
*Each of these executive orders is based on the false premise that immigrants pose a threat to us.
They are hateful attacks not only on those newly arriving or seeking entry into the U.S. but to
those of us, including U.S. citizens, who have raised families here, paid taxes for years and who
have made enormous sacrifices and contributions.
*The policy changes called for in the executive orders are extremist, costly and ineffective, and
they will not make us safer . . . .
*We are witnessing a massive militarization of our deportation force, and a supersizing of
interior and border patrol agents. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids are occurring in homes and workplaces, and the climate of fear as a result of rumored and reported raids are paralyzing our communities . . . >>
--> Notice, the studious failure to distinguish specific threat vector countries listed by the Obama administration and the rest of Muslim countries amounting to 85% of the world's Muslim population.
--> Notice, the similar studious failure to distinguish legal and illegal --as in unvetted and therefore automatically a potential threat -- immigrants.
--> What will these same people say when there is clear evidence of blood as a result of their behaviour? Of course, there will be other talking points to shift blame then, too.
--> It is time to wake up to what is being done.
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F/N: Found something on the P38, which makes me wonder if a follow up attack or the original should have been based on P38s in fighter-bomber role and/or B24 bombers escorted by P38's. Also, the Italian campaign would then have focussed on bringing up a land base in S Italy to ramp up the attack on a critical nodal industry -- petrol [esp Aviation gas], oil and lubricants [which could not then be made synthetically]. I clip:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=74
>>Part of the specification also called for the fighter to be substantially armed and the P-38 was thusly fitted with a base armament of 1 x 37mm cannon (later downgraded to a 20mm caliber) and a battery of 4 x 12.7mm Browning machine guns, all mounted in the nose . . . .
The installation of all armament in the nose, however, provided the pilot with a more accurate attack "cone" when compared to wing-mounted armament common to traditional fighters of the time. The armament was also quite formidable against anything unfortunate to come within the range of the attack cone - machine guns offered up greater rates-of-fire while the cannon could render engines useless with a single direct shot.
When British interest had peaked on the development of the American P-38, several test variants were shipped across the Atlantic for evaluation, sans the superchargers as there remained a ban on American supercharger technology at the time. Thusly the exported P-38 systems woefully under-performed when evaluated by British test pilots and interest in the Lockheed product dissipated. Nevertheless, United States military planners themselves liked what they saw in the P-38 (with the superchargers installed) and would soon be utilizing them across every theater of war around the globe during World War 2. It was soon after production began that the rather forgiving airframe was modified to carry fuel drop tanks to be issued for longer ranges, promoting long distance bombing runs or bomber escort duty and rail-launched rockets (held within structural support "trees" under the wings) could be added, allowing Lightning pilots to field up to 10 x high-explosive, air-to-surface unguided rockets (5 per wing) for use against ground structures, convoy vehicles, concentrations of enemy troops and trains . . . . Thirteen pre-production evaluation aircraft were then delivered as YP-38s with the first one flying on September 16th, 1940 under power from V-1710 series piston engines. These were armed with 1 x 37mm cannon and 4 x 12.7mm heavy machine guns. However, all was not rosey in the P-38s development for there remained a recurring issue encountered along the tail surfaces during high speed dives. It was only later in its development that the issue was ironed out for the better with the introduction of the P-38D and its revised tail section. 36 of the type were produced and these also incorporated self-sealing fuel tanks. The P-38 was therefore formally accepted into service in August of 1940 with serial production of the initial model - the P-38E - beginning in September. At least 210 of this version were delivered by Lockheed and now modified with 1 x 20mm cannon and 4 x 12.7mm heavy machine guns . . . .
Installed Power and Standard Day Performance
Engine(s): 2 x Allison V-1710-111 water-cooled inline piston engines developing 1,425 horsepower.
Maximum Speed: 414 mph (666 kph; 360 knots)
Maximum Range: 2,237 miles (3,600 km)
Service Ceiling: 43,963 feet (13,400 meters; 8.33 miles)
Rate-of-Climb: 2,500 feet-per-minute (762 m/min)
Armament / Mission Payload
STANDARD:
1 x 20mm cannon in nose
4 x 12.7mm Browning heavy machine guns in nose
OPTIONAL:
10 x 5in high-explosive rockets
2 x Drop Drop Tanks
2 x 500lb Conventional Drop Bombs
Up to 4,000lbs (908kg) of underwing stores.>>
--> The P38 was the size of a light bomber, and was capable of carrying considerable bombardment armament, in RW it seems to have been mainly deployed to Europe for Sept '43, but that could have been accelerated.
--> Ploesti was an oil refinery complex, inviting fire largely fuelled by its own materials as the main instrument of destruction.
--> A 20 mm cannon and 50-cal mg's [why not some incendiary bullets?) alone could do fair damage, a/c armed with the 37 mm gun would be far more destructive through doubtless slower. And it could carry bombs and rockets, thought he latter would seem to be more a '44 platform, unless british rockets had been used.
--> When we compare the RW costs and losses of 1944 - 45 and the implications of Russian conquest of E Europe for the next 40 years, this looks like the opportunity foregone.
--> I note, when I chatted with my son on it, his statement was [after drawing out much of the issue of the RW alternative], Russians would do such a grinding battle of attrition from the air, but not Americans.
--> Again, we need to think, what were the real alternatives? And, what would the role of the media be in all this?
--> My thought, an augmented Raid 1, with P38s, and that includes fighter sweeps to smoke out Flak and kill it, while shooting up and igniting refinery fires.
--> Follow up raids would blend fighter sweeps and bombing, with maybe night bombing brought in as in RW [RAF Wellingtons].
--> timeline would likely run across late '43 from Sicilian bases [July '43] and then ramp up with mainland bases from what October- November, then a winter campaign. A fuel-starved LW would have been much less effective in Feb '44 when the Northern air campaign ramping up to June '44 kicked off.
--> Mustangs would come in to take up escort duties allowing P38's to go full F/B.
--> Maybe P47's too.
--> What-if? What would the media of the time have said?
--> Now the killer: what would the media of our time, transferred to that time, have said? Where would that have forked the timeline further?
--> And yes, this is scenario-based thinking.
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Pindi,
start with about 500 for pedo-linked offences in California, multiply by related roll-ups in Canada, Netherlands, Norway etc. For some reason corrupt power elites have long been associated with that especially destructive perversion, back to catamites for Caesars and things so entrenched that in pagan mythology Zeus had a catamite; cf. Rom 1 and read between the lines informed by Lives of the Caesars. Notice the names of the Galilean moons of Jupiter.
Even here where I am, we have a case with a former politician that has attracted disproportionate int'l police support and what looks like a move to put in place an internationally eminent jurist as sitting "hanging" judge. I think dirty money issues may -- this is speculation under fair comment, given seizure of financial papers as part of the arrest process [the arrested man complained in the media] -- rpt, may, lurk there too.
Epstein island looks very suspicious to me and I have seen some seriously questionable things from Wikileaks was it tying back to Podesta. IIRC, this one may implicate a royal.
Do not forget things going back to at least Hastert (yes, this cuts across the parties): remember, such offences are apparently deeply addictive and may be being used as admission ritual price and blackmail-control point for really destructive power networks and secret societies.
Remember the P2 lodge and linked banking scandals leading to a "suicided" Vatican banker hanging was it from Blackfriar's Bridge with stones in his pocket? [Cf. Lodge oaths.]
Do not overlook the significance of Cameron and his u/g club hazing incident with the mouth of a dead pig. Same for Skull and Bones and other groups.
Saville in the UK is an index, as is Rotherham.
I recall too how the 2nd Krupp clearly committed suicide over exposure of a pedo love nest involving Italian boys forming a harem. Roehm [sp?] and the SA were involved, as were other Nazis and before them upper echelons of the German Officer Corps and elites -- there was a notorious incident of a Gen Staff officer collapsing with heart attack while dancing in a tutu before Kaiser et al and being stuffed back into his uniform.
Those must just be the tip of the iceberg and obviously if you have some by that level of offence, you have extraordinary leverage for investigation, giving ability to break the omerta.
Mix in the 214 felony rioting charges against blackshirts in DC (which MUST be being used to begin to roll up some pretty serious and deep networks; it takes years to create a continent(s?)-wide network and months to train in the swarm tactics seen OTG in vids).
There were some earlier waves in Belgium.
There may doubtless be other things WVM knows about that I don't. I do not know how much he will wish to detail, but I do not doubt that he will speak from knowledge.
KF
PS: To get an idea, go read the Wiki and New World Enc biographies of Cecil B Rhodes, rapist of Africa. Notice the roots of the League of Nations and the UN. Not to mention, the Rhodes scholarships.kairosfocus
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Well I must admit WJM, I'm curious. What are the many large-scale arrests you are referring to that are being ignored by the mainstream media?Pindi
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WJM, I hear you and did notice mass arrests in California. The fact remains, up to coming on midnight Nov 8, 2016, these folks thought they were about to hit the point of no return. They are now in a race to break the momentum the other way, and they have a LARGE number of the deluded to use as cannon fodder. The issue is in doubt. Though, the signs pointing to widespread, deeply organised child abuse and trafficking are serious. As for political schemes, it is very hard to prove things unless you have money trails, voter fraud, tapes of conspiracies and the like. And many will not believe, they will cry McCarthyism . . . never mind that post Soviet collapse evidence shows the late Senator had a serious point though he himself was not particularly credible. In my native land, propaganda talking points from 37 years ago still have currency and dominate thinking; never mind the evidence to the contrary has been readily accessible. When it comes to the betrayal as regards Iran and handing over of $1.6 bn CASH to a nuke threshold terrorist state, that is open news and nothing has been done. Marriage was openly corrupted through blatant abuse of law within the past few years. Education is a shambles. The worst holocaust in history stands at 800+ million, growing at a million more aborted per week, under false colour of law and rights. This one is pivotal, as blood guilt is about the most corrupting of influences. The global media picture is not on your side, and Mr Obama just handed the Internet over to the UN. I am not convinced the game has switched decisively to the other side. KFkairosfocus
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Truth, those are descriptive terms for what has been going on. The agendas are ruthless and utterly dishonourable. They don't seem to realise that if they erode civil society, it will be back to clans, clan lords and blood feuds to the bitter end. If we are lucky. If not, criminal warlords, especially in urban environments. And if the media operatives lynch and rape reputations, destroying enough people, they are going to find out that 800 yards* is a long range to have to secure before going out of doors or being by a window etc. Yes, that is what I am pointing to regarding Rule 303, as a grim warning. KF
* (The Grendel 6.5 mm in an AR-15 framed rifle with modern tactical reticle scopes makes that range quite "easy" to reliably score hits at, with much lighter recoil than the 308. The Creedmoor version is even more effective at long distances; 6.5 mm being in the middle of a sweet-spot for long range ammunition, based on sectional density. Cf here: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2016/9/6/65-grendel-and-65-creedmoor-cartridges/ And no, it is far too late to ban your way out of this. Maybe, this will help wake somebody up to the fire they are playing with.)kairosfocus
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KF @ 173: You are correct in emphasizing "lawfare" as a major destructive force in our society. Same for "media lynching" and "reputation rape." Sad.Truth Will Set You Free
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KF,
The public "conservative" and libertarian media are the tip of the iceberg. I'm familiar with a worldwide army of networked classical liberals and conservatives that are actually collecting data, evidence and intel on the criminal enterprises and fascist plans of the progressive globalists.
They are working with various intelligence, police and military personnel around the world, right now, working from the ground floor of these cartels - arresting, confiscating more materials and intel, interrogating and flipping those they arrest, working their way up the food chain.
There have been many large-scale arrests around the world and here in the USA that the mainstream media is ignoring because they are knee-deep in it. The increase in violent tactics and threatening rhetoric is due to the fact that they know their opportunity for total control is quickly evaporating.
This is why Trump has talked so much about human trafficking and stopping it. He is privvy to this war being waged at the grass root level by good people all around the world that have woken up because of the counter-narrative information and data that was never before available. Also, historical data can be compiled so that the mechanisms and infrastructure and lies can be revealed and understood, whereas before only authorized historians and media kept records that only served the interests of the powerful.
They could invent any historical narrative they wanted and it would go unchallenged, such as the notion that the Republicans or conservatives that supported slavery and opposed equal rights and civil rights.William J Murray
February 27, 2017
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F/N: Perhaps, Lincoln puts the matter best:
Second Inaugural Address.
Delivered at Washington, D. C. March 4, 1865.
Fellow-countrymen: At this second appearing to take the oath of the presidential office, there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement, somewhat in detail, of a course to be pursued, seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself; and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago, all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it—all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union, even by war; while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.
Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes his aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered—that of neither has been answered fully.
The Almighty has his own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through his appointed time, he now wills to remove, and that he gives to both North and South this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to him? Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said, "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves, and with all nations.
It is time to wake up and step back from the brink, before the abyss yawns open.
KFkairosfocus
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PPPS: As, even more ominously, will Breaker Morant's Rule 303. I warn, I plead, I beg -- even though it is hopeless that those who most need to heed this now will do so before it is bloodily too late -- some people will kill in defense of honour in the face of reputational rape and ruin of good name through slander. If you willfully destroy a man's life through slander, some will take up the mission to avenge themselves at any price; and some proportion of these will be even worse, berserkers. I have solemnly warned: we are recklessly playing with hellfire here, with the agit prop and media shadow show games that are going on.kairosfocus
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WJM, I should note that the turn to violence is a sign they think they don't need to gain more support, they think intimidation and manipulation will be enough. And if they can take down enough people around the new US President and/or keep the news in a boil that allows hysteria and manipulation, they may well get away with it. What is the reach of the media alternatives? How vulnerable are they to attack, including by regulators? My suspicion is the last free media will be print and the short wave radio. Which strictly -- in terms of propagation -- also takes in MW AM. If we can hold enough satellite in bands where a pie plate dish is enough, that may help. But the Internet is very vulnerable, and I suspect things like facebook of being spies, monitoring you, your whereabouts and what you say as well as watch and read or type, surreptitiously. KF
PS: My guess is, if we can maximise use of the Internet now, we may not have to retreat to other media that are more resistant to intrusion and spying. use it, or lose it, on steroids. But we must not forget there is a reason why the narratives out there are so blatantly polarising. They think they can get and hold critical mass for their purposes.
PPS: As for guns, I think they are setting it up so if you use one in defense, they will come after you and break you financially and reputationally, even if they cannot get through legally; lawfare is real. Media lynching and reputation rape are real too. These point to the issue I spoke to earlier, after San Bernardino: set up an organised, disciplined civilian marshal corps. That will work with terrorists carrying out jihad by bands or assassin cult type suicide raids, and it will work with blackshirts playing at street bully games. At some point the old reformation doctrine of interposition by lower magistrates will likely become relevant.kairosfocus
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WJM and Truth,
I wonder.
I think of when there were a lot of town newspapers, independent magazines that moved by mail or newsagents, books, and pulpits that had not suffered the modernist agenda. There were still large regional blocs, and there was a civil war in the early days over one such regionalised divisive issue.
I accept that major voices dominated electronic media and this led to shifts in power balances: the way the Tet defeat of a Viet Cong attack -- which seems to have crippled the VC as a serious fighting force -- was twisted into an American defeat in the popular mind, speaks volumes on that degree of influence. If the advantage was properly pressed at that point, the war could have been won, decisively, but that would have required doing the bombing campaign of 1972 in 1968; Johnson was utterly defeated in his own heart and the public were cowed by the drama in the streets across the West and how this was projected on the media stage. [In August 1943, a costly raid against Ploesti's oil infrastructure showed what was possible through aerial bombardment, but there was not a determined follow up over the next several months; that shows again the same pattern where a breakthrough is there but there is a hesitation to take it up for various reasons.]
From the 1970's and 80's, though, we saw talk radio emerge and it made a big difference to Reagan, whose press in the major media was almost uniformly bad -- that mad cowboy dummy about to precipitate the world into nuclear war for no good reason, etc -- but to little effect, they would speak of him as the teflon president. he had build up a reservoir of trust over decades and the attacks bounced off.
After Reagan, the more or less conservative never had a figure of such dominance who could run for and win the presidency against a backdrop of a discredited liberal-progressive left [as in, Carter]. And in the background education, the academy and others fell victim to cultural marxism and its critical studies agendas, from feminism to gayism to radical environmentalism to you name it. I think Obama is a community organiser of the Chicago school, which means he is a trained cultural marxist agitator [notice how the media obfuscated the implications], and his coalition of the radicals came close to utter victory in our civilisation's leading country.
His fingerprints are also all over the effect of the so called Arab Spring [predictably, open the way for an Islamist winter], and the subsequent Iran deal, both of which are clearly motivated by the view that the West is what is wrong with the world, and more specifically the heritage of Christendom. They wanted the US to become much like the post-Christian Europeans have increasingly become.
But the blue collar rustbelt had enough and the Reagan Democrats returned in force. A key clue is, the blackshirts took years to organise and months to train for the sort of tactics on display. Up to Nov 8 late evening the left thought they had won, so what were these red guards in training for? Surely, not to escort little old ladies across the street.
I think things were going to get very ugly indeed with an exceedingly hostile and aggressive post-Christian, radical secularist, nihilist might and manipulation make right agenda rampant and running riot.
They are lashing out, undermining peaceful transfer of power through legitimate election, and are going on eleven with the major media, knowing that a good slice of the population is in their pockets. They clearly mean to take down Trump and then go after anyone who does not meekly shut up and go along with the radical agendas.
That is why we are seeing the same things I saw 30+ years ago: agit-prop and media shadow shows to turn our civilisation into a march of folly -- to predictable ruin. (The radicals are always blind to their own overconfidence in their capabilities and are too filled with hate and contempt to have patience to listen to correctives.)
You and I are the automatically illegitimate and evil "reaction" to be ruthlessly silenced, discredited and eliminated. The recent incidents with Milo Yiannopoulous [sp?] that twisted a victim of pedophilia who has evidently exposed several, into a perceived pedophile, is an example of that utter wickedness. This stopped his growing momentum, at least for the moment and that was all that they cared about.
We really need to understand what the truly radical will do with power, what they spent the past 100+ years doing with it, at a cost well north of 100 million lives. Add in how mass abortion was pushed through under false colours of rights and law and we see their utter disregard for life, the very first right. the one without which there will be no other rights.
Our civilisation is at a terrible pass and the issue is in doubt.
KFkairosfocus
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KF @ 166: Yes. The western MSM has been exposed for what it truly is...a propaganda tool of the left. The internet made this possible by allowing a free press to rise up and challenge the leftist MSM.
These are great times to be alive!Truth Will Set You Free
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WJM @ 168: Spot on!
Here's a new post revealing the logical ends of Darwinism (of every stripe), courtesy of the not-so-great Peter Singer:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2017/02/peter_singer_th103518.htmlTruth Will Set You Free
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KF: I think the tide has turned in terms of the intellectual battle, which is why the progressives and globalists are turning more and more to violence and intimidation, which in itself turns people away from their position and helps to wake up reasonable people.
Fortunately for the USA, we still have a large degree of free speech protections and we still have our guns, which makes it a lot harder for the progressives to intimidate us and shut us down.William J Murray
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The difference between the situation then and the situation now is that the general population now has access to a multitude of alternative news and information sources, and the current citizenry is, to a much larger degree, better informed about the biased nature of certain media sources and what they are trying to achieve.
In the past, Presidents and their administrations were basically held hostage to a single narrative because they had no way of bypassing that narrative in any significant way. Apparently, the left still thinks it can control the narrative via their apparatchik media allies, and so they keep trying to find something that will "stick", no matter how absurd or self-contradictory (there is no voter fraud / Russia hacked the election, for example).
The conservative/libertarian media is now at least just as influential as the progressive meda or else there's now way Trump could have won the election. The stranglehold the old progressive media had on the narrative has been broken, but that fight needs to be engaged every day from now on as they seek to re-establish their power.William J Murray
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PS: Is the state of the major media the under-reported scandal of the year?kairosfocus
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Ben Stein on the agit prop-media shadow show game:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/02/26/ben-stein-media-looking-for-a-scandal-every-day-with-trump-to-do-to-him-what-they-did-to-nixon/
>>Saturday, former Nixon and Ford speechwriter, actor and author Ben Stein said on “CNN Newsroom” that mainstream media like CNN and The New York Times are “looking for a scandal” with President Donald Trump and they want to do to him like they did to former President Richard Nixon.
“Look, every day you pick up The New York Times, every day they’re slamming, slamming, slamming [Trump]. I’m a great fan of CNN; I watch it quite faithfully, every day CNN is slamming him, slamming him, slamming him. Every day, they’re looking for a scandal. They’re just turning the woods upside down looking for a scandal. They’re hoping, I think, to do to him what they did to Nixon a long time ago. And, you know, still haven’t found any real scandals,” Stein stated.
He continued, “With all due respect, I don’t blame him for being furious at them. And I think he’s got a lot of company. I’m out there giving speeches all around the country all the time, an awful lot of people are not great fans of the media, and they see the media as an unelected aristocracy … who are dumping all over the mainstream of America.”>>
--> The progressivists need to pause and ponder the implication of their behaviour in terms of attitude manifested: only we are qualified to govern, and our agenda must prevail by any means, fair or foul.
--> Such an attitude and behaviour are among the strongest evidences that the opposite is the case.
--> Notice, anti-Trump RIOTS started during the inauguration (and blocked people from attending), and we have seen a clear pattern of undermining peaceful transfer of power through legitimate election, a very dangerous sign.
--> Notice, the media narratives in major media have clearly discarded duties of care to truth, fairness, innocent reputation and more, utterly disqualifying them to the point that they deserve to be put in the category of notorious tabloids.
--> all of these are sobering signs, as democracy is inherently unstable and needs to be buttressed by a great many cultural, moral and -- frankly -- religious supports that have such broad-based presence that they constitute a community consensus.
--> We are seeing, before our eyes, the consequences of slandering, tainting and turning against the heritage of Christendom. (And if that grates against your perceptions, that is a sign of how deeply you have been misled and indoctrinated in order to poison your mind against what is the real hope for our civilisation -- godly reformation energised by the authentic gospel. I suggest, read here on the Christian contribution to modern democratic liberty, and here on the sins and blessings of Christendom. Beware, the fallacy of the closed, indoctrinated, hostile mind.)
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U/D, Feb 25: 200+ Blackshirts from Wash Dc Inauguration rioting indicted:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/02/22/More-than-200-Inauguration-Day-protesters-indicted-for-rioting/9231487744646/
>>A federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday indicted more than 200 people arrested during the presidential inauguration on felony rioting charges, spotlighting their intent to sabotage peaceful protests with violence and destruction.
Called out for individual acts of vandalism, violence and destruction, prosecutors alleged Tuesday that 214 protesters engaged in "black bloc" tactics on Jan. 20 during President Donald Trump's swearing-in, causing damage to vehicles and property. Six police officers were also hurt during the riots as they exchanged flash-bang explosives with protesters hurling rocks and firecrackers at them.
D.C. police have stressed that the vast majority of protesters were peaceful, but that these 214 people -- the other 17 people arrested during the inauguration were released from custody -- showed up specifically to disrupt the event.
"Black bloc" protest tactics, which have been used by some protesters for decades, include dressing in black or dark colored clothing while concealing one's face using scarves, masks and sunglasses. Some of the protesters brought with them hammers, crowbars, bricks, rocks, flares and firecrackers.
A Florida man, Dane Powell, is accusing of felony rioting and assault on three police officers, but most of the protesters are charged with smashing windows at Starbucks and McDonalds while others torched a limo [--> Cf. OP]. Many of the violent protesters threw items at police, as well.
If convicted, felony rioting carries a maximum jail sentence up to 10 years, and a fine of up to $25,000.>>
--> That's a start. I repeat, in a reasonably democratic, constitutionally grounded community NOTHING can justify rioting.
KFkairosfocus
Censorship questions arise:
Do we really want to go down this road, Facebook? Do we understand the blood and tears of the history implicated?
http://www.christianpost.com/news/facebook-suspends-christian-homeschool-moms-account-over-posts-citing-bible-on-homosexuality-175521/
>>Elizabeth Johnston, an Ohio homeschooling mother of 10 who runs the popular conservative blog "The Activist Mommy," told The Christian Post on Tuesday that Facebook suspended her account earlier this month because she wrote about how Leviticus condemns homosexuality as "detestable" and an "abomination."
Johnston said the comment in question was posted over six months ago in a long thread of comments that was in response to another Facebook user who claimed that Christians are hypocrites for condemning homosexuality but being willing to eat shellfish and pork.
The post was removed on Feb. 9 and Johnston's public "The Activist Mommy" Facebook page, which has over 76,000 followers, was frozen for a period of three days. She was alerted that her comment on homosexuality was removed because "it doesn't follow the Facebook Community Standards."
"Someone had commented underneath one of my videos and were commenting under the thread and said something about how Old Testament law prohibits the eating of pork — one of the homosexuals' favorite arguments to make. I responded with just scriptural commentary and that is considered 'hate speech' by Facebook," Johnston explained. "It was just very intellectual and it was just a commentary on what the Bible says. There was no name calling or anything like that."
After her account was unfrozen on Feb. 12, Johnston said that she re-posted her thoughts on the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality only to have Facebook remove the post again and freeze her account for an additional seven days.>>
--> We are going down a terrible road here.
--> As for the notion that issues on homosexual behaviour are even remotely comparable as matters of morality and sin to eating shellfish, that itself tells us something is deeply wrong in our culture.
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Truth, I pray God you are wrong but am horrified you may be right. You don't have to jump over the visible edge of a cliff to go over it, the very existence of the edge warns of ground that may collapse underfoot and take you down with it. And, our civilisation is plainly dancing on just such an edge. The cynical agit prop and media shadow show games do not point to anything any sane person could wish for. Can we all PLEASE wake up from the bewitchment and step back, back, back and go in a safer direction? Before, it is fatally too late? KF
PS: Wasn't Sen. Sumner caned insensible right there in congress as events spiralled out of control into civil war in the US? https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm
>>Senator Charles Sumner, a Massachusetts antislavery Republican, addressed the Senate on the explosive issue of whether Kansas should be admitted to the Union as a slave state or a free state. In his "Crime Against Kansas" speech, Sumner identified two Democratic senators as the principal culprits in this crime—Stephen Douglas of Illinois and Andrew Butler of South Carolina. He characterized Douglas to his face as a "noise-some, squat, and nameless animal . . . not a proper model for an American senator." Andrew Butler, who was not present, received more elaborate treatment. Mocking the South Carolina senator's stance as a man of chivalry, the Massachusetts senator charged him with taking "a mistress . . . who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him; though polluted in the sight of the world, is chaste in his sight—I mean," added Sumner, "the harlot, Slavery."
Representative Preston Brooks was Butler's South Carolina kinsman. If he had believed Sumner to be a gentleman, he might have challenged him to a duel. Instead, he chose a light cane of the type used to discipline unruly dogs. Shortly after the Senate had adjourned for the day, Brooks entered the old chamber, where he found Sumner busily attaching his postal frank to copies of his "Crime Against Kansas" speech.
Moving quickly, Brooks slammed his metal-topped cane onto the unsuspecting Sumner's head. As Brooks struck again and again, Sumner rose and lurched blindly about the chamber, futilely attempting to protect himself. After a very long minute, it ended.
Bleeding profusely, Sumner was carried away. Brooks walked calmly out of the chamber without being detained by the stunned onlookers. Overnight, both men became heroes in their respective regions.
Surviving a House censure resolution, Brooks resigned, was immediately reelected, and soon thereafter died at age 37. Sumner recovered slowly and returned to the Senate, where he remained for another 18 years. The nation, suffering from the breakdown of reasoned discourse that this event symbolized, tumbled onward toward the catastrophe of civil war.>>kairosfocus
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We might already be in a civil war...the very early stages. Widespread divisive rhetoric often precedes widespread divisive violence.Truth Will Set You Free
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PPS: One of Cernovich's commenters has captured the portents of civilisational civil war that lurk beneath this present attack on peaceful transfer of power as a result of a legitimate election:
https://www.dangerandplay.com/2017/02/20/lessons-from-milos-soon-to-be-bounce/#comment-3166864509
>>Today was a reminder of the ruthlessness of the media, the globalists, and the deep state. We will need to be just as ruthless or more than they are.
When we get to the point where we are victorious and they are begging for mercy, remember how they showed no mercy to Milo, Flynn, Spencer, or Trump and show them no mercy either. They protect the evil and attack those that seek to expose and destroy evil.
They have shown that they will not live peacefully with us. The only way for there to be peace is for them to be physically removed or powerless. Do not let them get the level of power they have had in the past two decades or they will destroy us and our children without mercy.>>
--> This is a road no sane person and no sane community, nation or civilisation wishes to go down.
--> But, I find it hard to deny that this is exactly the road we are looking at.
--> Can we turn back from this crumbling edge of a cliff before it is too late?
--> Going over a cliff is not a wise policy for any civilisation.
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