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Psych prof concedes, ID is not “absurd”

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This open-access 2017 paper by psychologist Raymond M. Bergner of Illinois State University popped into News’s inbox this morning. It seems to dip a toe into rationality while considering the question of design in nature:

Let me say from the outset that this is not an essay arguing for intelligent design. Rather, it is a protest against a certain attitude. Everywhere I turn today, I hear voices, with varying degrees of smugness and contempt, telling me that intelligent design — the position that there is some ordering intelligence behind the whole cosmic shooting match — is straightforwardly ridiculous. “No intelligent person believes such a thing.” “How unscientific!” “It’s always a cover for a religiously based, evolution-denying creationism, trying to sneak in the back door in the guise of science.” Highly visible, scientifically informed public intellectuals such as Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris pop up everywhere, telling us that, if any proposition about the origins or design of nature is unsupported (or unsupportable) by scientific evidence, that proposition is ipso facto without any merit or legitimacy whatsoever. Since intelligent design fails this requirement, they assert, it is unworthy of our entertaining it even as a possibility, much less a belief.

I do not wish to argue that intelligent design is true. I don’t know if it’s true. I also do not wish to argue that it is a scientific position. I believe that it is not, but is instead an empirically undecidable, metaphysical one. I wish only to argue, contrary to the current intellectual zeitgeist, that it is neither stupid nor ridiculous either to believe in it or to entertain it as a possibility. I am referring here, not to a version of intelligent design that claims that the world was created 6000 years ago just as we find it today, but to one stating simply that there is now, or may have been at some time in the past, an ordering intelligence behind the structure of the universe and its contents. I also want to argue that the position most commonly posed in opposition to it at the cosmic level (which is where I will focus), which I shall refer to as “accidentalism,” is not, as many would have it, itself a scientifically open and shut case.

Raymond M Bergner, Intelligent_Design_Maybe_True_Maybe_False_But_Not_Absurd” at ResearchGate

One wants to respond: ID is in good shape compared to psychology. There is massive evidence for design in nature whether the establishment can accept it or not. Not so much evidence for the psych concepts that have made the discipline a Sokal hoax laughing stock.


See also: Putting a respectable face on persecuting the social justice science hoaxers

Embattled “Social Sciences Hoax” Prof Is Not A Hero, He’s A Canary

Social Science Hoaxer’s Job At Risk For Revealing “Bias”

Sokal hoaxes strike social science again

Exposing gender studies as a Sokal hoax

Social Science Hoax Papers Is One Of RealClearScience’s Top Junk Science Stories Of 2018

and

Alan Sokal, Buy Yourself A Latte: “Star Wars” Biology Paper Accepted

“Motivated reasoning” defacing the social sciences?

At the New York Times: Defending the failures of social science to be science Okay. So if we think that — in principle — such a field is always too infested by politics to be seriously considered a science, we’re “anti-science”? There’s something wrong with preferring to support sciences that aren’t such a laughingstock? Fine. The rest of us will own that and be proud.

What’s wrong with social psychology , in a nutshell

How political bias affects social science research

Stanford Prison Experiment findings a “sham” – but how much of social psychology is legitimate anyway?

BS detector for the social sciences

All sides agree: progressive politics is strangling social sciences

and

Back to school briefing: Seven myths of social psychology: Many lecture room icons from decades past are looking tarnished now. (That was 2014 and it has gotten worse since.)

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The Darwinists preach with no actual evidence and venomous attacks on anyone that dares move a single toe outside of the cult. There are constants in the universe that they deny are constants. Every mathematical formula that will be discovered is already there. It's just waiting for the right person to come along and discover it. Where did the math come from?BobRyan
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>I am referring here, not to a version of intelligent design that claims that the world was created 6000 years ago just as we find it today YECs don't even claim that the world is in the exact same shape today as right after the moment of creation...I find this is a very common misunderstanding among those criticizing ID/creationism/etc.EDTA
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ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):
1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design. 2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity. 3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity. 4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.
Those are the core concepts of ID and to falsify Intelligent Design all one has to do is demonstrate that natural selection can produce irreducibly complex biological systems and/ or high information content (CSI). You have to be willfully ignorant or very hostile to ID to say that ID is not falsifiable. :razz:ET
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seversky:
What we do know is that science in general and biology in particular have been under sustained attack by the ID/creationist movement for decades..
We know that is a lie. It is clear that all the anti-IDists can do is lie and whine. Typical but still patheticET
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Brother Brian:
This is a false promise as ID is not falsifiable.
Then it is strange that IDists have said exactly what would falsify ID. Who should we believe- ID experts or clueless anti-IDists on an agenda?
Even if we could experimentally show that self-replicating information carrying molecules could be produced without intelligent intervention, that does not falsify ID.
That depends on how much information those replicators contain
Even if we could unequivocally demonstrate that new body forms could be produced by natural selection acting on heritable variation, this wouldn’t falsify ID.
If you could unequivocally demonstrate that natural selection- which includes heritable random variation/ mutation- could produce the genetic toolkit required for developmental biology, ID as we know it, would be falsified. So again Brian offers up lip service without any substanceET
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Beyond provability and falsifiability, there is the actual Darwinist vs ID debate. Some ID researchers work to demonstrate the limitations of Darwinian mechanisms (random variation plus natural selection) for generating new features, functions and genetic information. This work does not "falsify" Darwinism, but does serve to severely limit it, and to estimate the level of improbability for anything significantly new arising by it. Other ID researchers examine all the mechanisms that have been conceived for generating vast amounts of coded information, and then argue to the best explanation for its provenance in biology, which then always points to a "mind" of some sort in the absence of other credible candidates, and hence, to ID in some form or other. The combination of a) Darwinism does not work for what is claimed of it, and b) vast amounts of coded information always proceed from an intelligence, taken together then shift the "most likely explanation" from Darwinism (in some form) to intelligent design (in some form). The fact that most Darwinists do not accept this result does not affect the result itself.Fasteddious
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I don't see anything objectionable in Bergner's position. We recognize the existence of design in the universe because we do it, Thus far we don't know of any extraterrestrial intelligence that can do the same but neither can we rule them out. We don't know if an intelligent agent of some sort started life on Earth or created the Universe but we can't rule such out either.. What we do know is that science in general and biology in particular have been under sustained attack by the ID/creationist movement for decades.. They have attempted to have some version of ID and/or creationism inserted into high school biology curricula in the US and taught as if they were theories of equal standing in science to evolution. There is evidence from a survey of high school science teachers the some are actually teaching creationism as the preferred explanation for life on Earth in spite of legal and Constitutional impediments. In that context, while I disagree with the critical comments Bergner quotes, I can understand their defensiveness.Seversky
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BA77
Falsify Intelligent Design and become a multi-millionaire
This is a false promise as ID is not falsifiable. Even if we could experimentally show that self-replicating information carrying molecules could be produced without intelligent intervention, that does not falsify ID. Even if we could unequivocally demonstrate that new body forms could be produced by natural selection acting on heritable variation, this wouldn’t falsify ID.Brother Brian
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bornagain77- that is all some evil Creationist conspiracy. We don't even know if this Perry Marshall exists. Has anyone ever seen him with any of the other guys you mentioned? :) Or wait, it isn't a "real" ten million dollars. Has anyone seen it and counted it? Where is it being held? :) OK if those don't work they will just keep changing the game and the definition of "code". Yeah, that's the ticket. :) So why should anyone even bother?ET
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Falsify Intelligent Design and become a multi-millionaire - video - Official Natural Code Prize - Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNF2c3i6eJo And this recent article from the Financial Times - Entrepreneurs offer $10m prize for cracking mystery of DNA - June 2, 2019 Scientists challenged to create genetic code from simple chemicals Excerpt: Wealthy investors are offering a $10m prize to the first scientific team that can create a genetic code from simple chemicals — reproducing the unknown process that led billions of years ago to DNA as the vehicle for transmitting information in life on Earth. The Evolution 2.0 prize is an initiative by Perry Marshall, an online marketing entrepreneur based in Chicago. It will be judged by prominent scientists, including George Church, genetics professor at Harvard university, and Denis Noble, the Oxford university biologist who was the first to model the human heart on a computer.,,, Other backers of the prize include marketing businessman Robert Skrob, investment manager Gary Klopfenstein and serial entrepreneur Jon Correll. Their involvement is not purely altruistic. The full $10m will only be awarded for a patentable coding system, which the prize sponsors will attempt to commercialise in partnership with the winner. https://www.ft.com/content/dcb2ea12-83c8-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849bornagain77
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Bob O'H:
Indeed. the ID crowd propose that some things are best explained as being intelligantly designed. So why not try to falsify that hypothesis.
Dr. Behe perused the scientific literature trying to falsify the claims of ID. He failed to find any such evidence. It appears no one knows how to test the claim that blind and mindless processes could produce any bacterial flagellum. And to falsify ID all one has to do is demonstrate that blind and mindless processes are capable of producing what ID says was intelligently designed.ET
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Seems to me that the choice of design vs random can be given an easy Popper test.
Indeed. the ID crowd propose that some things are best explained as being intelligantly designed. So why not try to falsify that hypothesis. Note that showing that there is an alternative hypothesis is not a falsification (because of overdetermination).Bob O'H
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Eminently sensible. Seems to me that the choice of design vs random can be given an easy Popper test. The hypothesis that all this stuff came about randomly is instantly falsifiable. The billions of Both Must Happen First situations disprove randomness easily and logically. The presence of a designing intelligence can't be proved, but Popper doesn't require the other side to be proved. When one side of a binary is falsified, the opposite side is generally considered to be a usable theory.polistra
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A good and very fair-minded, objective little essay. I wonder how Bergner's career is doing lately. I hope he has tenure. With his heresies he almost certainly awoke the rage of the Darwinist theocracy. No doubt the Darwinist faithful console themselves that the scientific greats like Newton, Einstein and Maxwell referred to by Bergner were just men of their time, their minds clouded by superstitious religious notions.doubter
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