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The ID views of a signatory of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776


With due respect to our UK colleagues, appropriate for a day celebrating the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, the author of the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson, wrote elsewhere:

“I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition.

and the words of the Declaration would probably cause Richard Dawkins to have a fit:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights….

[posted by scordova helping out the News desk for a week.]

Happy 4th Yanks from a Canadian. You created the present best stuff in mankind save for religion. its fine to note the founding fathers ideas on God and gEnesis. Yet the whole point of the new government of the segregating people from the brits was that it was about what the people think and believe and how this shapes their nation. what did the Puritan Protestant Yankees and Anglican Protestant Southerners believe about gods and Genesis role in the truth of origins? did anyone tack a poll?? I say it was , North and south, a whopping majority for god creating the universe and a good majority, over 55% at least, that insisted Genesis was true. Surely this is obvious. These people, if the issue came up, would likely have banned any criticism of a creator or criticism of gEnesis as evolution does. I'm not saying banning it would be right. Not saying its wrong. However to ban creationism as a option for the truth in origins in schools and this by saying its from the very constitution of the people in question here is A GRAND FIRECRACKING ABSURDITY. Of coarse having a President who ran as a African and was voted for on that point as opposed to being a american would also be absurd. They were better people back then in many ways. People, and the wrong people, inherit their glory done so long ago. The founding people trump the founding fathers. Robert Byers
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…." This is a proclamation of a certain group of individuals at a certain time in history. Anyone who has additional "knowledge" regarding these proclomations, please explain to me how the "truths" are self evident. Why should someone, who has a position of authority care to follow the precepts of such a proclomation. When one has a position of authority over others, the tendency is to want to sustain and enhance that position of authority in order to preserve the level of physical comfort provided by such a position, in this world. So is this apparent dichotomy simply a stuggle between those who have achieved a position of authority in a certain political system? Or something beyond the predictable progression of human politics that renders humanaly derived precepts to subjugated to something beyond the realm of this progession? What do you think? bpragmatic
related note: Wallbuilder’s David Barton tells Glenn Beck about the Christian Heritage and Faith of the American Founding Fathers. (March 2010) – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uODn4bRvI4g#t=172s Part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwYUvz3YppQ Part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OauNPiyzUjE The Fallacy Of The Doctrine Of Separation of Church and State - video http://www.prageruniversity.com/History/The-Separation-of-Church-and-State.html bornagain77

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