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Calling Nick Matzke’s Bluff

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In the comments of this UD post from yesterday, (comment #21) I referred to Nick Matzke’s rant over at the Panda’s Thumb yesterday as yet another illustration of the double standard’s Matzke’s has when it comes to his critiques of anyone who dares challenge Darwinian Orthodoxy.  In my comments yesterday, I gave an example of Matzke being guilty of the very same thing he (falsely)accuses Meyer of doing.  Today, I want to call out Matzke on another of his famous ploys: the bluff!  In earlier days, before he gained his current status among the defenders of the Darwinian Faith, Matzke posted and commented on various ID sites under various pseudonyms.  His favorite ploy was to use what we came to refer to as the “literature bluff”, wherein he would post long lists of references to research studies that were supposedly definitive refutations of some point being made by someone questioning evolution or promoting ID.  To someone unfamiliar with the literature, it could easily appear as if Matzke gained the upper hand and that the poor critic of evolution was just too uninformed.  However, when anyone took the time and trouble to actually peruse his lists looking for articles addressing whatever matter was under discussion it became immediately clear that hardly if ever at all did any of the citations have anything whatsoever to do with the point at issue.  It was all a bluff.

Well, sad to say, Matzke is still master of the bluff…only now in addition to the literature bluff, he’s moved to the diagram bluff.  In the rant referenced above, Matzke whines that Meyer is guilty of over-simplification because he opted to use simple, hand drawn diagrams to illustrate his point that the there simply are no evident ancestral organisms anywhere to be found in pre-Cambrian strata.

A. THE “EXPLOSION” TOOK AT LEAST 30 MILLION YEARS, AND WAS NOT REALLY “INSTANTANEOUS” NOR PARTICULARLY “SUDDEN”

Darwin’s Doubt is festooned with illustrations, mostly redrawn from other sources in a rather strange cartoon-like format also found in other recent ID books. However, there is never an illustration like these:

Instead, we are treated to ultrasimple figures of the times of origin of “phyla”, which date back at least to the 1970s, although they’ve been endlessly copied by creationists/ID proponents and remain current in those circles because they convey the impression of “sudden” origin. Figures resembling this:

These diagrams (the 2 bottom one’s above) are in Chapter 2 (page 35 figure 2.7 ) of Meyer’s book.  The context is that Meyer, correctly notes the following in a section entitled “The Missing Tree”:

Figures 2.7  and 2.8 [not shown here] illustrate the difficulty posed by the first two of these features sudden appearance and missing intermediates.  These diagrams graph morphological change over time.  The first shows the Darwinian expectation that changes in morphology should arise only as tiny changes accumulate.  This Darwinian commitment to gradual change through microevolutionary variations produces the classic representation of evolutionary history as a branching tree.

Now compare this branching tree pattern with the pattern in the fossil record.  The bottom of figure 2.7…show that the pre-Cambrian strata do not document the expected transitional intermediates between Cambrian and Precambrian fauna.  Instead, the Precambrian-Cambrian fossil record, especially in light of the Burgess Shale after Walcott, points to the geologically sudden appearance of complex and novel body plans.

Matzke will have none of it.  First he complains that the two diagrams are just too simple, even though Meyer makes it quite clear that they represent the “classic” (read – often used, widely known) representation of what one would expect to find if Darwin’s hypothesis was correct.  The second illustrates what we actually find in the fossil record – a fact no one actually disputes – and remains stylistically like the first.  Matzke’s real complaint is that Meyer should have used something like the diagram he includes in his rant which I cited above.  This diagram comes from this 2004 study in PNAS by K.J. Peterson, et al. on page 6539 as part of the “Discussion” section.  Here’s what the authors say:

Rate Heterogeneity Between Vertebrates and InvertebratesOur data suggest that, inconsistent with most molecular clock estimates but consistent with paleontological predictions…bilaterans do not have a significant precambrian evolutionary history. [emphasis mine]

Note that Peterson et.al.‘s point is exactly the point that Meyer is making with the diagrams he used.  The bilateran body plans found in the Cambrian fossils appear to have no evolutionary history.  That is Meyer’s main point in this section of the book.  So all of Matzke’s moaning about Meyer’s “oversimplified” diagram is just bluffing on his part. Somehow he thinks that the fancier more detailed diagrams refute Meyer, I guess, when in fact, they’re making the exact same point.

Even worse for Matzke’s whining is the fact that the Peterson et.al. study from which he borrowed the diagrams is an article using a refined technique for getting better results using molecular clocks.  The article is entitled “Estimating Metazoan Divergence Times With a Molecular Clock”  The first sentence reads, “Accurately dating when the first bilaterally symmetrical animals arose is crucial to our understanding of early animal evolution.”  In other words, the study is a primary example the very thing that Meyer talks about later in the book of evolutionary biologists just assuming evolution so there just has to be nodes on the tree to date!

Now let’s look at the other diagram of Matzke’s bluff, the top one above.  Notice that the precambrian Ediacaran biota line leads to precisely nothing in the Cambrian above it.  Again, this is exactly Meyer’s point.  Notice the blue dotted lines as well in the precambrian area where it says “Phylogentic uncertainty of many taxa makes counting number of classes genera difficult”, which is a fancy way of saying “there ain’t nothing down here we can actually count!”  Meyer made this abundantly clear in his discussion using the two “oversimplified” diagrams.  Meyer didn’t need to color plates and fancy charts because they added nothing to nor took anything away from his main point!

But for Matzke, using these charts to try to say that Meyer is just too, well, “simple” in his approach…in other words, doesn’t really have an in depth knowledge of what he’s writing about…is just a complete bluff because neither one refutes anything Meyer wrote and both support what he actually said!  Matke’s bluff is complete!  Needless to say, the rest of his rant is of the same cloth.  He comes across like Oz the Great and Terrible, but he’s just the little man behind the curtain!

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LOL @8!!! :DChance Ratcliff
June 21, 2013
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Hahaha! Joe, that is perfect! Funniest thing I've seen in a long time.julianbre
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///Matzke cannot present any evidence that darwinian processes can produce the diversity observed in the cambrian. Phylogenetic analysis does not speak of any mechanism and neither do the fossils. And that must bother him to no end./// . First of all, it is wrong to say that phylogenetic analysis assumes evolution. It doesn't. It is a proper scientific method to study the relationship between organisms by comparing the features they share. The fact that such studies produce trees with nested hierarchies that support shared ancestry and common descent, is a validation of the theory of evolution. If a designer had randomly created organisms as per his will, we wouldn't expect to see phylogenetic trees with nested hierarchies. Next, you're talking about evidence. What evidence can you present to show that a mysterious designer designed the cambrian fauna? Your evidence for the last 3 decades has been the same - evolution cannot fully explain what happened, therefore God did it. Meyer hasn't done anything more in his latest book other than rehashing this very same non-argument. Does Meyer provide evidence for a designer? Nope. Does he propose a mechanism by which the designer designed the cambrian fauna? Nope. Any explanation has to make sense. Why did the designer wait for 4 billion years after the earth formed to design the cambrian fauna? Why did he design only basal marine animals living on the sea floor and no land animals or even plants, let alone advanced creatures such as mammals and humans. It's only logical to expect such a powerful designer to have done that. You're saying that the designer ignored earth for 4 billion years, then suddenly swooped down on earth during the cambrian, designed some primitive creatures, that too on the ocean floor, and then let evolution proceed undisturbed thereafter! This doesn't fit with the idea of a magical designer, who's capable of doing anything. Instead, it perfectly fits a natural process like evolution, because evolution is constrained by the environment. It needs favorable conditions to proceed. This very simple logic alone is sufficient to dismiss ID as an explanation. It's a non-explanation. You can always make exorbitant claims to account for mysteries, but unless it makes sense in the bigger picture, it won't hold water.Evolve
June 21, 2013
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Dr. Stephen Meyer on the Michael Medved Show, Wed. 6-19-13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sxAyeGHyygbornagain77
June 21, 2013
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Joe - Now that's funny!!! Great line. It may show up somewhere else...just sayin'DonaldM
June 21, 2013
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If you want a book on macroevolution, just get a bunch of books on microevolution and put them together. We all know macroevolution is just more microevolution! :)Joe
June 21, 2013
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You will be waiting a long time for Matzke, or for any neo-Darwinists, to produce a detailed book on how macro-evolution could happen. For one thing the presupposition that neo-Darwinists are starting with, the modern synthesis, is now known to be false. For another Darwinists can't even explain where a single gene/protein came from much less entirely unique body plans in the Cambrian, each containing trillions upon trillions of cells uniquely organized into the distinct kinds of creatures we see suddenly appearing in the fossil record with no discernible precursors. In fact, when Mr. Matzke was pressed to explain how a single novel functional protein could arise by neo-Darwinian processes, he, just as with this article DonaldM has highlighted, pulled a literature bluff:
Leading Darwin Defender (Nick Matzke) Admits Darwinism’s Most “Detailed Explanation” of a Gene Doesn’t Even Tell What Function’s Being Selected – Casey Luskin – October 5, 2011 Excerpt: …You just admitted that the most “detailed explanation” for the evolution of a gene represents a case where: *they don’t even know the precise function of the gene, *and thus don’t know what exactly what function was being selected, *and thus don’t know if there are steps that require multiple mutations to produce an advantage, *and thus haven’t even begun to show that the gene can evolve in a step-by-step fashion, *and thus don’t know that there are sufficient probabilistic resources to produce the gene by gene duplication+mutation+selection. In effect, you have just admitted that Darwinian explanations for the origin of genes are incredibly detail-poor. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/10/leading_darwin_defender_admits051551.html
Needless to say, that kind of 'detailed explanation' for how a gene could arise is light years away from telling anyone how the following is possible:
An Electric Face: A Rendering Worth a Thousand Falsifications - video - September 2011 Excerpt: The video suggests that bioelectric signals presage the morphological development of the face. It also, in an instant, gives a peak at the phenomenal processes at work in biology. As the lead researcher said, “It’s a jaw dropper.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFe5CaDTlI
Now if neo-Darwinists can tell us exactly, or even approximately, how this 3-D patterning that presages morphological development is encoded digitally along the DNA helix, that would be a major first step in explaining how macro-evolution could even be possible from a 'bottom up' neo-Darwinian framework. Notes:
What Do Organisms Mean? Stephen L. Talbott - Winter 2011 Excerpt: Harvard biologist Richard Lewontin once described how you can excise the developing limb bud from an amphibian embryo, shake the cells loose from each other, allow them to reaggregate into a random lump, and then replace the lump in the embryo. A normal leg develops. Somehow the form of the limb as a whole is the ruling factor, redefining the parts according to the larger pattern. Lewontin went on to remark: "Unlike a machine whose totality is created by the juxtaposition of bits and pieces with different functions and properties, the bits and pieces of a developing organism seem to come into existence as a consequence of their spatial position at critical moments in the embryo’s development. Such an object is less like a machine than it is like a language whose elements ... take unique meaning from their context.[3]",,, http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/what-do-organisms-mean With a Startling Candor, Oxford Scientist Admits a Gaping Hole in Evolutionary Theory - November 2011 Excerpt: As of now, we have no good theory of how to read [genetic] networks, how to model them mathematically or how one network meshes with another; worse, we have no obvious experimental lines of investigation for studying these areas. There is a great deal for systems biology to do in order to produce a full explanation of how genotypes generate phenotypes,,, http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/11/with_a_startling_candor_oxford052821.html The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories - Stephen Meyer "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion." http://eyedesignbook.com/ch6/eyech6-append-d.html Stephen Meyer - Functional Proteins And Information For Body Plans - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4050681
bornagain77
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DonaldM, thanks for the insightful analysis of Matzke's post. A form of peer-review I guess. :) I read Matzke's post through and on the face of it, he knows his stuff - that's not to say that his stuff is correct, but he knows a lot of it. I was curious what your thoughts were about his comments on the 3 stages of learning about evolution, and that he even basically dated Dawkins and co saying even they were a little out of date. He lists points 3a-g. Is he accurate in his comments there? Do many ID assumptions come from pre-1980's facts? Has a lot changed? I'm very much a layman, so appreciate more learned insight on that bit.jondo_w
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Donald, My point is even given common ancestry- which I don't- phylogenetics cannot tell us if it happened by design or via accumulations of genetic accidents, ie the natural selection and genetic drift combo. Also, seeing that phylogenetics is just more similarity comparison, we could use it to infer what the common design was that all other variants were derived. So you are correct. If we didn't assume evolution we could assume a common design.Joe
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DonaldM, thanks for calling Nick's diagram bluff. One of many I'm sure. I'm waiting to read Darwin's Doubt before reading Matzke's rant so I can make up my own mind! What a novel concept. One more thing, Andre, if Nick every does recommend a Macro-Evolution textbook, let me know. I would love to read it too. Hold his feet to the fire. He seems to rather do hit and run postings than have a real discussion.julianbre
June 21, 2013
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Joe in #3 - Precisely! Phylogentic analysis merely assumes evolution. They place nodes on the time line when the suspected divergences took place. But what they don't have are any actual fossil critters to place in those nodes...especially in the precambrian! Which is why I highlighted the first diagram of Matzke's.DonaldM
June 21, 2013
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Not to be lost in all of this is Matzke cannot present any evidence that darwinian processes can produce the diversity observed in the cambrian. Phylogenetic analysis does not speak of any mechanism and neither do the fossils. And that must bother him to no end...Joe
June 21, 2013
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Nice DonaldM! Related note: As Darwin's Doubt Is Released, Science Journals Confirm the Reality and "Mystery" of the Cambrian Explosion - Casey Luskin June 20, 2013 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/06/as_darwins_doub073571.htmlbornagain77
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I called his bluff on the amazon review page and he has not responded yet, won't hold my breath all bark no bite...Andre
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