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Emergence as an Explanation for Living Systems

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Yesterday I watched a re-run of a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.

There. I said it.

I love Star Trek. Notwithstanding the many absurd evolution-based plotlines.

In this specific episode, Data referred to a particular characteristic of a newly-developing lifeform as an “emergent property.”

I’ve looked into the “emergence” ideas in the past, and the related self-organization hypotheses, and have never been too impressed. But it has been a while, so I thought I’d quickly navigate over to the Wikipedia page on the subject to see what it says. Now I’m a big fan of the general concept behind Wikipedia and it is a very useful tool, if used properly. Yet everyone knows that Wikipedia is a questionable source on controversial subjects. Want to know Abraham Lincoln’s birthday or the text of the Gettysburg Address? Wikipedia is great. Want to get an objective description of a controversial subject like — oh just to pick at random, say, evolution or intelligent design — and you will be sorely misled.

Emergence itself is not necessarily controversial, at least not in its simple, observationally-based definition. Wikipedia describes it as “a process whereby larger entities, patterns, and regularities arise through interactions among smaller or simpler entities that themselves do not exhibit such properties.” Fine. Nothing particularly controversial there. I’m willing to accept that as a reasonable working definition for purposes of discussion.

The problem arises when researchers or theorists imagine that emergence is an explanation for a particular phenomenon. For example, the very next paragraph on Wikipedia states, “the phenomenon life as studied in biology is commonly perceived as an emergent property of interacting molecules . . .” By labeling “life” as an “emergent property of interacting molecules” a researcher can fool herself into thinking that she has understood something foundational about life, that she has provided some kind of explanation for life. Yet she has done nothing of the sort. She has simply applied a label to her ignorance, has simply given a name to something she doesn’t understand.

The word “emerge” is typically defined as “to come forth into view or notice, as from concealment” or “to come up or arise” or “to come into existence” or “to develop”.

This is straightforward enough, and allows us to say that, in its most basic sense, the concept of “emergence” simply means that A + B leads to or develops into C. This can be deterministic or stochastic, but either way, it is quite simple. The following two sentences are substantively equivalent:

A plus B develops into C.
C is an emergent property of A plus B.

Notice that with the first sentence we would immediately ask the follow-up question: “How?” Yet with the second sentence we don’t naturally follow up with that question. Indeed, the wording gives the impression that the “how?” has been answered by the very term “is an emergent property.” But in reality, no explanation at all is offered. No “how” has been given. We don’t know one iota more about the real, underlying processes at work after reading the second sentence than the first. So we should still follow up the second sentence with an emphatic “How?”, yet the very rhetorical stance taken in the second sentence tends to discourage that critical follow-up question.

Calling a living organism an “emergent property” of various molecules, is about as helpful and intellectually vacuous as saying that the Space Shuttle is an “emergent property” of glass, metal and plastic. It isn’t helpful. It hasn’t added anything to our knowledge of what actually brought the system into being. Worse, it all too often gives the false impression that an explanation has been offered.*

Let me be clear. I am not arguing that the word “emergence” be stricken from our language. I am not suggesting that the concept, as commonly defined, might not be a helpful shorthand label that we can use in certain situations.

What I am saying is that we must be scrupulously careful to not allow the label of “emergence” to be treated as more than it is: a label that does not carry with it an actual explanation, a label that does not provide a detailed analysis, a label that (unless we are extremely vigilant) tends to mask ignorance, rather than shed light.

So, for our dear readers, two questions:

1. What, if anything, does the concept of “emergence” add to our understanding of natural phenomena? And how is calling X an “emergent property” any different from simply observing that X occurred?

2. Even if there are some phenomena that can be helpfully thought of as emergent phenomena (Wikipedia cites snowflakes, hurricanes, ripple patterns in a sand dune, etc.), what relevance does that have to the origin and development of living systems?

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* Laughably, Wikipedia even tries to suggest that irreducible complexity is nothing more than a case of emergence, as though that label explains the existence of irreducibly complex biological systems. Worse, not capable of seeing the irony, the intellectual pygmies who tyrannically maintain the irreducible complexity page call irreducible complexity “a pseudoscientific theory.”

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Virgil Cain:
Carpathian, You seem to enjoy humping strawmen.
Why attack me instead of addressing the argument? If the aliens that designed us didn't need the help of ID, anything after that event X was not an intention of an intelligence at point X. In other words, if God is not needed for life on Earth, you can't claim that life on Earth was an intention of God. An alien designer would be evidence against Genesis.Carpathian
July 6, 2015
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Carpathian: Aliens use ID to create life on Earth. Carpathian: therefore the chain of events that led to us, did not require an intelligent designer. Pardon me while I pause to ponder the meaning of this.Mung
July 5, 2015
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Carpathian, You seem to enjoy humping strawmen.Virgil Cain
July 5, 2015
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Mung:
Carpathian: If the aliens designed Earth life but they themselves originated without ID, then the chain of events that led to us, did not require an intelligent designer. Mung: LoL! IF the aliens designed earth life THEN the chain of events that led to us did require an intelligent designer.
E1: Aliens originate without an intelligent designer. E2: Aliens use ID to create life on Earth. E1 -> E2, where E1, the start of the chain, did not require ID. This means that God must have been surprised at what non-ID processes eventually led to, since he was not involved in the alien ID scenario. The second problem for ID is that if ID accepts that the CSI of aliens complex enough to design us did not require ID, why did we?Carpathian
July 5, 2015
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Carpathian: If the aliens designed Earth life but they themselves originated without ID, then the chain of events that led to us, did not require an intelligent designer. LoL! IF the aliens designed earth life THEN the chain of events that led to us did require an intelligent designer. Carpathian, you may as well go away and come back under a new name, because this is one you are not going to live down. [Along with your theory of immaterial data transfer.]Mung
July 4, 2015
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Carpathian:
Then the aliens required an intelligent designer.
OK. So what? We can't say anything about that as we are unable to study them. We can study life on earth. And that life screams of intelligent design.
But Earth life has been studied and most scientists believe that circumstances on Earth were very favourable for the origin of life on Earth without ID.
They don't have any evidence. They don't have any testable hypotheses. They don't have any models. They don't have any science.Virgil Cain
July 4, 2015
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Silver Asiatic:
ID demonstrates that only intelligence is the source of CSI of the level that we find in life.
Then the aliens required an intelligent designer. If the aliens did not have an intelligent designer, they either must have a CSI below ~500 bits or they originated from purely natural non-ID sources. If the aliens designed Earth life but they themselves originated without ID, then the chain of events that led to us, did not require an intelligent designer. Thus an intelligent designer is not necessary for the origin of life.Carpathian
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Box:
How can you know this without first studying the origin of alien life forms? Why is it so important for you not to keep an open mind? Maybe natural circumstances at planet X are very favorable for the origin of this unknown alien life. We don’t know, do we?
But Earth life has been studied and most scientists believe that circumstances on Earth were very favourable for the origin of life on Earth without ID. If the aliens managed to originate without the help of an intelligent designer, either their CSI is below 500 bits, or an intelligent designer is not required for high values of CSI to exist. It's one or the other.Carpathian
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Box:
How can you know this without first studying the origin of alien life forms? Why is it so important for you not to keep an open mind? Maybe natural circumstances at planet X are very favorable for the origin of this unknown alien life. We don’t know, do we?
Oh, the irony, it burns...Daniel King
July 3, 2015
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Carpathian: If the amount of CSI required for life on Earth cannot be attained without an intelligent designer, then that amount of CSI cannot be attained without an intelligent designer anywhere, regardless of what form that amount of CSI may take.
How can you know this without first studying the origin of alien life forms? Why is it so important for you not to keep an open mind? Maybe natural circumstances at planet X are very favorable for the origin of this unknown alien life. We don't know, do we?Box
July 3, 2015
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Mung, Of course, no meaning. I was joking. Our evolutionist friends don't see any meaning anywhere ;) why should one expect them to be meaningful as regards how life started?EugeneS
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Silver Asiatic:
ID is not looking for the final or ultimate cause of things. Do you agree?
I don't agree here at all. One of the claims that ID makes is that the universe was fine-tuned for life. This requires a universal designer, not simply alien life-forms. When evolutionists say that evolution is concerned only with how life changes, kairosfocus insists that the OOL must be considered. You cannot reasonably suggest that only one side needs to answer that question.Carpathian
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Silver Asiatic, When ID talks of life one of its attributes are CSI and that is what ID claims is required for life. Whether it's alien life, human life or the designer of the universe is irrelevant to the CSI argument. ID cannot escape its own assertions. If human life has a CSI of x, why would aliens who designed us have a CSI so low they could come into being without being designed? By addressing questions like these, we can determine whether certain explanations are probable. It does not seem plausible that Earth life has less CSI than alien life. Thus alien life-forms as designers of Earth life is not a plausible answer unless they themselves were designed.Carpathian
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Mung:
Carpathian: If living aliens designed life on Earth, the aliens cannot have been alive since you would have living beings being the cause of life. Mung: That’s your final answer?
If the amount of CSI required for life on Earth cannot be attained without an intelligent designer, then that amount of CSI cannot be attained without an intelligent designer anywhere, regardless of what form that amount of CSI may take. If aliens can come into being with a CSI below the limit that requires an intelligent designer, then anything they design had a root cause that did not require an intelligent designer and thus those designs are not dependent on ID in order to exist. Once again, accepting living non-ID aliens results in a chain of events whose root cause was non-ID. This would include all life on Earth designed by those non-ID created aliens.Carpathian
July 3, 2015
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When you say “that means anywhere” you’re adding something to the ID argument. When we talk about life being somewhere else, that’s hypothetical. Agreed?
The ID argument wouldn't apply to alien designers as well? Wouldn't they not also be well adapted to the purpose of designing organisms and therefore exhibit the very same features as organisms on earth that need to be explained? As such, wouldn't they be unable to play that role under ID?
When it is proposed that “a designing intelligence” is required for the CSI of life, that means “an intelligence capable of creating the complexity of life, nothing less than that”.
But you're grossly underestimating the role that knowledge play in design. For example, I'm intelligent designer. Yet, if I found myself in a vitamin-c starved environment, this would not cause by vitamin-c synthesis gene to be repaired. If it did, it would because I was a genetic engineer that possesses the knowledge of what transformation of matter would be necessary to repair it, how to make just those changes, while causing the remainder to be unmodified, etc. IOW, repairing that gene occurs when the requisite knowledge is present. Not merely because I didn't want to die, or intended it to occur, etc.Popperian
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@Silver Asiatic
ID is a scientific project. It’s based on observable, empirical evidence. We observe life on earth, right? Do we scientifically observe life anywhere else?
What needs to be explained about biological organisms is not that they merely serve a purpose, but that they are well adapted to serve that purpose. That is, you could not vary them significantly without greatly impacting their ability to serve that purpose nearly as well, if even at all. Furthermore, they are well adapted because they contain the knowledge of what adaptations (transformations of matter) should be performed when making a copy of themselves. So, the origin of those features is the origin of that knowledge. For example, Paley's rock could serve the purpose of a building material, a paper weight, a weapon, heat storage, etc. However, rocks could be modified significantly and yet still serve these purposes just as well. As such, they are not well adapted to serve those purposes. On the other hand, the watch cannot be explained as a raw material. Nor could it have existed in that form forever. Rather, it is a rare configuration of matter. It doesn't just serve a purpose, but is well adapted to the purpose of keeping time. We cannot vary it significantly without also significantly impacting it's ability to serve that purpose. The problem with merely proposing an advanced alien "designer" for the origin of that knowledge is, by nature of their role, they too would be well adapted to serve a purpose: designing organisms. Since they too exhibit the very thing about biological organisms that needs to be explained, this doesn't actually improve the problem.Popperian
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Carpathian
According to ID, life itself has too much CSI to have arisen without an intelligent designer and that means anywhere.
ID is a scientific project. It's based on observable, empirical evidence. We observe life on earth, right? Do we scientifically observe life anywhere else? When you say "that means anywhere" you're adding something to the ID argument. When we talk about life being somewhere else, that's hypothetical. Agreed? When it is proposed that "a designing intelligence" is required for the CSI of life, that means "an intelligence capable of creating the complexity of life, nothing less than that". We know of different kinds of intelligence, don't we? If you agree, then on that basis, one can hypothesize about "alien intelligence". ID is not looking for the final or ultimate cause of things. Do you agree?
If you believe that an intelligent designer created life, that would need to be demonstrated somehow.
ID demonstrates that only intelligence is the source of CSI of the level that we find in life. There is no demonstration from the materialist view that non-intelligent sources can create that kind of CSI. So, ID is the most reasonable explanation for the CSI we observe, based on that demonstration.
The first question a designer would need to answer is, “What should I design?”.
That is debatable. But it's not the ID argument anyway. There's no scientific way to indicate what the first question a designer would answer is. It could be "why should I design"? "What are the potentials for design?" "What if I don't design". Many other starting points could be chosen.
How does a designer prepare a specification for life that would need to exist in a future environment?
When you design software you have to answer that question.
Without being able to see the future, how do you know what to build?
A characteristic of intelligence is the capability to see the future, to some extent. You have that capability as a human being yourself.
Only God fits the requirements of the ID designer. No one else can see the future, make the future or fine tune the laws of physics.
You could be absolutely correct here, yes - that might be a reasonable conclusion to reach from studying the data. Many scientists have concluded the same. But the data and evidence that ID presents only indicates that intelligence is the cause. It doesn't seek to answer the philosophical question of ultimate causes. Any science encounters the same thing. When observing the Shroud of Turin, science say point out that there is no known natural cause for the image and it also shows evidence of having been designed by intelligence. A reasonable interpretation of the data is that God created the image. But that goes beyond what science can show.Silver Asiatic
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Carpathian: If living aliens designed life on Earth, the aliens cannot have been alive since you would have living beings being the cause of life. That's your final answer? Humans obviously cannot be alive to design anything then. And yet here we are, designing our little hearts out. You're not alive either, Carpathian. And artificial life? Forget it. And life in the lab. Forget that too. Life only comes from dead stuff. But since none of us are alive, that should be no problem!Mung
July 2, 2015
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Silver Asiatic:
The aliens would be alive but not on earth.
According to ID, life itself has too much CSI to have arisen without an intelligent designer and that means anywhere.
If you’re proposing that a non-intelligent source created the aliens that created the alien life that created life on earth, then that would need to be demonstrated somehow.
The same goes for ID. If you believe that an intelligent designer created life, that would need to be demonstrated somehow. The first question a designer would need to answer is, "What should I design?". How does a designer prepare a specification for life that would need to exist in a future environment? Without being able to see the future, how do you know what to build? Only God fits the requirements of the ID designer. No one else can see the future, make the future or fine tune the laws of physics.Carpathian
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Carpathian
If living aliens designed life on Earth, the aliens cannot have been alive since you would have living beings being the cause of life.
The aliens would be alive but not on earth. Life on earth shows evidence of having been created by intelligence. Then you might wonder what created the alien life that created life on earth. It could be another kind of alien life. So, this also is the result of intelligence. If you're proposing that a non-intelligent source created the aliens that created the alien life that created life on earth, then that would need to be demonstrated somehow. So, the challenge remains. Show us how unguided, blind, unintelligent, non-rational forces create rational intelligence. Failing that, intelligence is the most reasonable explanation.Silver Asiatic
July 2, 2015
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Mung and Virgil Cain,
Carpathian: If aliens are themselves alive, then they are not the cause of life.
Mung: So? Maybe they are dead now.
If living aliens designed life on Earth, the aliens cannot have been alive since you would have living beings being the cause of life. We have a paradox where life designed life, unless the aliens were not themselves alive in which case we have to ask, did non-living aliens require intelligent design. If they did not require intelligent design then the cause of their existence and therefore life on Earth, did not require ID to come into existence. What I'm saying is that an alien argument does not in any way support the notion that life is the result of ID. The alien argument also flies in the face of the ID argument that life itself is too complex to have arisen without ID, and this includes alien life.Carpathian
July 2, 2015
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EugeneS, Yes, and hydrogen and oxygen can combine to form water. But I don't see that as an increase in knowledge in any meaningful sense of the word.Mung
July 2, 2015
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Mung, I heard that amino acids can form by themselves in space as a result of collisions of stones. Mind you, they still have to explain the path from amino acids to proteins. Or maybe I am wrong. They already explained: proteins just emerged.EugeneS
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@mung Popperian:
On one hand, knowledge isn’t something God needs to access or does not exist inside God. But, on the other hand, God was never without knowledge?
Mung:
That is correct. When you understand that, you will no long be confused.
What is correct? Repeating what appears to be merely a definition doesn't help us move forward. To illustrate, if you have a quick memory, a good ear and exhibit attention to detail, you could repeat back a sentence someone spoke to you in Japanese. However, this doesn't mean you actually understood what they said. To show you understand, you could re-phrase the contents of the sentence in a way that says the same thing, but using different Japanese words. Or, even better, you could go further and include consequences of the what they said if they were not explicit in the original sentence. If someone said they were "picking up a big fan", merely repeating it back doesn't necessarily mean you understand it either. You could try to indicate you understood what they said by responding with a consequence, such as "you must need to move a lot of air" or, "I bet they are excited to meet you", as a way to gauge your level of understanding. Fans of the air moving variety do not get excited and fans of human variety do usually not move allot of air. In the same sense, I'm trying to do the same here regarding what you've said about God and knowledge. Yet, based on your response, I'm getting the feeling that there simply isn't any such consequences that you can agree or disagree with that will clear things up. Rather, you seem to be suggesting I would no longer be confused if I merely accept the statements you've made as definitions about God and knowledge in the form of some kind of revealed truth. IOW, to understand what you mean, as opposed to you meaning something else, I'm trying to identify some actual state of affairs regarding God and knowledge that has different consequences than some other actual state of affairs about God and knowledge. This is why, in an attempt to clarify what you mean, I wrote:
If your designer is simple and has no dependence on knowledge to will the first organisms into existence, that act of creation would represent the spontaneous generation of that knowledge, which is something that ID proponents mistakenly accuse neo-Darwinism of.
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Did God ever not know how to build any organism that has, does or could exist? If so, he “just was” complete with the knowledge, already present. But this serves no explanatory purpose, as one could more efficiently state that organisms “just appeared”, complete with this knowledge already present.
Yet, you seem to have ignored my attempts at clarification completely. Again, I'd suggesting that ID proponents grossly underestimate the role that knowledge plays in the biosphere. Their explanation for it is either absent, irrational, supernatural, or some combination of the above. So, in an effort to move forward, let me repeat and expand on my question: Did God ever not know how to build any organism that has, does or could exist? That is, did he ever not know what transformations of matter would be necessary for an organism to create a copy of itself using raw materials?Popperian
July 1, 2015
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Popperian, your additional error comes from thinking that knowledge arises from molecules bumping into each other in just the right ways.Mung
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Popperian: On one hand, knowledge isn’t something God needs to access or does not exist inside God. But, on the other hand, God was never without knowledge? That is correct. When you understand that, you will no long be confused. Existence is not something God has to access either. And existence is not something inside God. Yet God has always existed.Mung
July 1, 2015
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I'm the one that is confused? Mung:
God does not obtain knowledge from anywhere. Knowledge does not exist inside God. Knowledge is not something God acquired. Knowledge is not something God needs to access. Knowledge has no origin.
Mung:
But God doesn’t get knowledge from anywhere. Knowledge itself is not anything that had a beginning or an origin because God had no beginning and no origin, and God was never without knowledge.
On one hand, knowledge isn't something God needs to access or does not exist inside God. But, on the other hand, God was never without knowledge? Did God ever not know how to build any organism that has, does or could exist? If so, he "just was" complete with the knowledge, already present. But this serves no explanatory purpose, as one could more efficiently state that organisms "just appeared", complete with this knowledge already present. Again, my criticism is that explanations for this knowledge are either absent, irrational or supernatural, of which the latter cannot explained by definition. Before we replace one theory with another, the replacement needs to explain not only the same phenomena just as well, but explain even more phenomena even better. ID doesn't meet this criteria. Take the OPERA experiment. Neutrinos where observed traveling faster than the speed of light. However, this could not be reproduced in other experiments. Before those observations falsified Einstein's speed limit, we would need a better explanation that not only explained the same phenomena at least as well, but explain why neutrinos traveled faster than light in OPERA, but not other experiments. No such explanation was found. Rather, we discovered a miss-calibrated timer and a loose ethernet cable. So, observations could falsify the theory, or falsify assumptions behind the observation itself.Popperian
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In addition to my comment #54, The key differentiator is whether the system to be replicated is heterogeneous or homogeneous. For heterogeneous systems there must be an irreducibly complex semiotic core with a description and translation of information.EugeneS
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Virgil Cain #43 Nice point. Yes, crystals replicate without the extra complexity that living systems require.EugeneS
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RWalker 49 Yes, I remember the 2014 article in Phys.Org (?) detailing the incredible design features of the eye and once again debunking the notion that it was wired suboptimally. One of the reasons I've come to think that ID is probably on to something is that the more we learn the more implausible it is that unintelligent, unguided processes can account for it.anthropic
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