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A couple of weeks ago a friend forwarded me a link to this recent article about “ongoing research to record the interaction of environment and evolution” by University of California, Riverside biologist David Reznick. Reznick’s team has been studying adaptive changes in guppies. Reznick’s work focuses on tracking what happens in real-world situations in the wild, rather than the somewhat artificial environments in the lab. As a result, Reznick has gathered some of the more trustworthy and definitive data about changes over time in a real-world environment, largely free from the intervention and interference of the coated lab worker.

The article states:

The new work is part of research that Reznick has been doing since 1978. It involved transplanting guppies from a river with a diverse community of predators into a river with no predators – except for one other fish species, an occasional predator – to record how the guppies would evolve and how they might impact their environment.

In the recent follow-up research, Reznick’s team studied “how male color pattern affected” their differential survival in the environment. Significantly, the team even gathered DNA from the guppies over time to track who their parents were and reconstruct a guppie pedigree to help determine the reproductive success. Without going into all the details, which are interesting in their own right, the key point for my purposes today is that this adaptive change occurred extremely quickly.

Graduate student, Swanne Gordon, noted,

Our research shows that these fish adapted to their new habitats in less than one year, or three to four generations, which is even faster than we previously thought.

Reznick adds,

People think of evolution as historical. They don’t think of it as something that’s happening under our nose. It is a contemporary process. People are skeptical; they don’t believe in evolution because they can’t see it. Here, we see it. We can see if something makes you better able to make babies and live longer.

What Really Happened?

Now normally when my friend forwards a link, I will just review the article, realize it is making claims beyond the data, and move on. But coincidentally, just days earlier I had been reading Chapter 7 of Lee Spetner’s 1998 book, Not by Chance!

Part of Spetner’s argument is that many adaptive changes we see in nature are in fact not examples of a Darwinian process of chance changes + natural selection, but instead the result of specific programming capabilities in the organism to allow it to respond to changes in the environment. Indeed, what caught my eye about the article my friend forwarded is that Spetner had discussed Reznick’s earlier experiments in that very context.

After describing two different predators of the guppies: (i) the cichlid, which prey on large mature guppies; and (ii) the killfish, which prey on small immature guppies, Spetner continues:

Reznick and his team took 200 guppies from the Aripo [river in Trinidad] and put them in a tributary of the river that is home to the killfish but has no cichlids and had no guppies. Changes soon appeared in the newly introduced guppies. The fish population soon changed to what would normally be found in the presence of the killfish, and Reznick found the changes to be heritable.

The full change in the guppy population was observed as soon as the first samples were drawn, which was after only two years. One trait studied, the age of males at maturity, achieved its terminal value in only four years. The evolutionary rate calculated from this observation is some ten million times the rate of evolution induced from observations of the fossil record [Reznick et al. 1997].

Reznick interpreted these changes as the result of natural selection acting on variation already in the population. Could natural selection have acted so fast as to change the entire population in only two years?

Spetner goes on to argue that the adaptive change observed in the guppies is more likely the result of a programmed response to environmental change, and provides several examples of such changes in other species.

Where is the Darwinian Evolution?

Darwinian evolution, as we know, is supposed to work by natural selection weeding out random variation. The Neo-Darwinian model has traditionally gone a step further, suggesting that those random variations are genetic in nature — taking place in the DNA as a copying error here, a misplaced sequence there, an accidental cut-and-paste elsewhere . . .

So the question arises: do the kinds of rapid, adaptive, reversible changes Reznick observed owe their existence to this kind of Darwinian process, or are they the result of a pre-programmed genetic response to environmental changes?

Spetner makes a good argument that we are observing the latter. He goes on to show that even many of the classical examples of Darwinian evolution — you know, the examples of random mutation + natural selection that even most evolutionary skeptics have tended to accept: convergent “evolution” of plants in similar environments, the “evolution” of bacteria to live on lactose or salicin — are not good examples of Darwinian evolution at all. Even that icon of icons, finch beaks in the Galapagos, is likely not a good example of the alleged Neo-Darwinian mechanism of random mutation + natural selection.

All of this prompts me to ask a simple, but pointed, question:

How many good examples are there of Darwinian evolution?

The more research I do the more I come to the same conclusion Spetner did, namely that most adaptive changes are not the result of the random, purposeless changes Darwinian evolution posits as the engine of biological novelty.

Even skeptics of the grand evolutionary claims tend to accept, either specifically or implicitly, that Darwinian evolution can produce all kinds of minor adaptive changes, the so-called microevolutionary changes: variations in finch beaks, insect resistance to insecticides, coloration of peppered moths, and so on. And indeed, the “selection” side of the formula seems to work well, which is simply the somewhat pedestrian observation that if an organism is poorly adapted to its environment it has a poor chance of surviving.

Yet the engine of the novelty, the alleged random variation that is supposed to provide all this adaptive variability on which selection can work its magic, seems stubbornly absent. Even these most common of examples, on closer inspection, do not support the Darwinian claim. Thus the doubts multiply. If Darwinian evolution cannot even claim explanatory credit for things like bacteria being able to metabolize lactose, what can it explain? The more closely we look, the more anemic the Darwinian claim becomes.

Now we could be intellectually lazy and call every adaptive change we observe an example of “evolution.” But the problem with observing a change and claiming that we have observed “evolution” is that (i) we rob the word of explanatory value if it is applied indiscriminately, and (ii) we trick ourselves into thinking we have an explanation for what occurred, when in fact we have have no idea what is happening at the molecular level or the organismal level to produce the change. Claiming that we are witnessing “evolution” in such circumstances becomes then not so much an explanation as a confession of ignorance.

Real Darwinian Evolution

There are no doubt quite a number of legitimate, confirmed examples of random mutation + natural selection producing an important biological effect. For example, I think Behe’s review of malaria/sickle cell trait is a legitimate example of Darwinian evolution in action. And the circumstances of that example are rather telling: (a) large population size, (b) meaningful amount of time, (c) very strong selection pressure, (d) and change that can be caused by one or two single-point mutations.

If we see adaptive change outside of these parameters — small population, short timeframe, an adaptation that requires significant genetic change — we might be better served to suspect that we are witnessing a programmed adaptive response, rather than Darwinian evolution. And rather than being naively impressed with the great power of Darwinian evolution to act more rapidly than anticipated, we should be prompted to look deeper to find what is actually taking place.

Your Turn

In addition to the malaria/sickle cell example, what other examples of legitimate, confirmed Darwinian evolution can you think of?

Comments
Zachriel @30:
And it happens to be an evolutionary biologist who devised the experiment and made the observations. Quite prolific those evolutionary biologists.
You seem quite adamant to point out that most biological experiments are performed by biologists with evolutionary views. What is your point -- that that most biologists have been indoctrinated with an evolutionary viewpoint throughout their schooling and careers, rather than a non-traditional viewpoint? Sure. I agree with that.
You’re conflating phenotypic plasticity with evolution. You seem to be the one confused, not Reznick.
Where did I do that? I certainly did not intend to equate anything with "evolution." I have been repeatedly pointing out that the word is as plastic as the theory itself. It morphs and changes in different directions depending on the rhetorical needs of the proponent. Thus, Reznick laments that skeptics don't believe in "evolution," and claims that his experiment proves "evolution," all the while not realizing that what skeptics object to has nothing to do with what his experiment shows.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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Bob O'H @32:
So why do you then criticise him and call him confused because his work doesn’t look at evolutionary novelty? Does he claim to do that? Or are you creating confusion by mis-interpreting what he meant by ‘evolution’?
I haven't called him confused because his work doesn't look at evolutionary novelty. I think the work he has done is great. He is confused because he thinks he has witnessed "evolution" right under his nose, and at the same time laments that lots of people don't believe in evolution, when he has the data right there, under his nose. Yet the guppy experience is nothing that an evolutionary skeptic would object to. Further, what evolutionary skeptics object to is not resolved by Reznick's data. So he complains that people don't believe in evolution and that he has data that proves evolution. Yet the guppy experiment does not demonstrate anything relevant to what the skeptics object to, and ironically, it may not even stand as an example of meaningful Neo-Darwinian evolution at the micro level. The problem, as so often, is that evolutionists are very sloppy and flexible with the way they use the word "evolution." As Philip Johnson has pointed out (paraphrasing), evolution "means both the tiny changes and the grand creative process; we can prove the tiny changes so we think we've proved the whole grand creative process." You have to escape from that intellectual trap to understand that the latter does not follow from the former, and it is surprisingly difficult for people who have been indoctrinated in materialistic evolutionary theory for years to make that logical breakthrough.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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Box @29: Good catch. I was writing quickly and reverted to the old common terminology that is sometimes used. You are right, even reproduction itself is not the whole story -- unless of course we talk about reproduction that eventually leads to offspring who develop to the point of being able to in turn reproduce. Which is another way of saying they "survive" long enough to reproduce. :)
My understanding is that natural selection is a destructive force which acts on an abundance of viable creatures that chance *magically* produces. If an organism continues to exist it can be said that it is “untouched” by natural selection — the grim reaper. For one thing natural selection is the direct result of limited resources. Natural selection, by killing off viable creatures, removes precious information.
Thanks, interesting thoughts. Yes, chance is at the heart of innovation in the evolutionary viewpoint. (A few individuals like to imagine that there are some as-yet-undiscovered natural laws that will produce organisms, but that is wishful thinking.) Regardless, yes, natural selection simply means that some organisms get caught by the grim reaper, as you say, before reproducing. In reality, it is chance all the way down. Natural selection does not have any discernable directionality, which is a point often missed by evolutionary proponents. So the theory proposes organisms created by chance which then survive by chance. That is really the sum and substance of the whole theory: "Stuff Happens."
In other words natural selection is a hindrance to evolution, assuming that “the goal” of evolution is finding all viable creatures. Would you care to comment on my view?
I'm not sure it is correct to suggest that the goal of evolution is finding all viable creatures. If it has any goal (borrowing words as we must from intentionality), evolution's goal is simply ongoing existence -- survival. Whether that means innumerable creatures filling all available niches or a single creature filling just one niche on the entire earth, evolution doesn't care. There is no directionality one way or another. Finally, I think an evolutionist might quibble with your suggestion that natural selection kills off "viable creatures." I understand what you mean by "viable," but they might prefer to define viable as "suited to the environment" or "suited for survival," in which case natural selection's job is to kill off those that aren't viable.* At another level, though, if we think of "viable" in a broader sense or if we simply acknowledge that some creatures were produced that didn't end up surviving, then you are quite right: to that extent natural selection is a hindrance to evolution. It removes, it culls, it eliminates, it lessens possibilities. If anything, natural selection helps to keep a population within a stable norm, rather than veering off in new and uncharted directions. On an interesting related note, there are a cellular processes that actively pursue and destroy misshapen, broken or non-working parts -- the "unfit" proteins, cellular mechanisms, and even entire cells. This may look like "natural selection" at the molecular and cellular level and we could apply such a label, but in reality it is a very carefully controlled and engineered process that helps keep the organism functioning within designed parameters. Though not identical in means, natural selection fills something of a similar role at the organismal and population level -- keeping the population in check and functioning within normal parameters. ----- * Of course natural selection doesn't do anything. Some creatures just happen to survive -- again, by chance -- and then we come along later and attach a label to the results.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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It is very telling that Zachriel cannot post any examples of GA's solving complex problems.Virgil Cain
October 13, 2015
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Mapou: I am an AI researcher and I know about GAs. Complex problems kill them dead because they cannot get past the combinatorial explosion. Then you're doing it wrong. Mapou: To get good results from GAs, one must severely restrict the problem space. Computers generally don't have the resources of nature, so they can't solve problems of the same scope; however, they can solve complex problems far faster than random search.Zachriel
October 13, 2015
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This is primarily down to the indoctrination of a false definition of the word "evolution". Those pesky committed atheistic materialists have certainly been very successful at engraining that into most scientists.Dr JDD
October 13, 2015
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And by the way, as far as conspiracy is concerned, let me say this. Of course, there is a conspiracy. Whoever controls the grant money is part and parcel of the conspiracy. It is a conspiracy that uses the veneer of science to attack traditional religions. Science be damned.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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EA @39, Sorry but I completely disagree with your perspective. Any scientist worth his/her mantle knows that the way to serve science is to conduct experiments to try to falsify a theory, not to corroborate it. All evolutionary biologists use exactly the same approach to science: let's find ways to buttress Darwinian evolution. It should be the other around, for crying out loud. Evolutionary "scientists", IMO, are all dishonest, gutless, butt-kissing opportunists. They work for the grant money and the accolades, not for science. This is my opinion and I stand by it.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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Mapou @28:
I hypothesize that the nervous systems or brains of the more complex species likely contain a gene modification module that responds to environmental cues by selecting or suppressing relevant genes. This happens, not only during the various stages of development to adulthood but also as a result of environmental stimuli. Careful research should reveal this, IMO.
Good thought. My understanding is that some examples have already been discovered, and more will no doubt be uncovered. Not just in more complex species either.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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Mapou @22 and @27: Let's be careful to not go a bridge too far. A lie is an intentional act meant to deceive. There are many ways to be wrong and to draw a wrong conclusion. That someone does so does not mean that they are a liar. Neither you nor I know Reznick personally and I don't believe we have any reason to accuse him of lying. As a general matter I have found that behavior can more often be explained as a result of incompetence than conspiracy. We can vigorously disagree with someone's position and defend our own. We can be frustrated and annoyed with their obstinance, and I share your frustration at some level. But with few exceptions (including perhaps a couple of occasional posters on this forum), we should be very hesitant to attribute intentional deception and call someone a liar. I stick by my assessment that Reznick is doing good work and is sincere in his belief that he is watching "evolution" happen right "under his nose." I strongly disagree with his representation of the implications of his data. But he is not a liar.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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Guppies prove one thing: Nobody needs that RM+NS crap. Organisms are programmed to modify their genes in direct response to environmental cues. Some trees are so good at this, they can do it during their lifetimes. They can adapt to their environments by having a different genetic signature at the top than at the bottom.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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Zachriel, the resident prevaricator:
Mapou: Anybody who has played with genetic algorithms knows that they’re only good for toy applications. Actually, genetic algorithms can be quite adept at solving complex problems or navigating complex spaces.
This is a lie. I am an AI researcher and I know about GAs. Complex problems kill them dead because they cannot get past the combinatorial explosion. To get good results from GAs, one must severely restrict the problem space. Besides, nobody needs GAs to solve any problem on a computer because they can already be easily solved by a regular randomizing optimizer.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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Bob O'H- That still means no one can say natural selection didit as they have no idea how that genetic variation arose. They also need a way to test that assumption.Virgil Cain
October 13, 2015
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Virgil - The assumption is that the genetic variation was in the founder population.Bob O'H
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If genetic change arose within two years and caused the phenotypic change then we can easily rule out natural selection as NS requires random mutations and this happened too rapidly for that.Virgil Cain
October 13, 2015
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Zachriel:
Actually, genetic algorithms can be quite adept at solving complex problems or navigating complex spaces.
They are intelligently designed to do so.
Nearly all good studies are done by biologists holding evolutionary views.
Name ONE study that relied on undirected evolution.Virgil Cain
October 13, 2015
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Eric Anderson @ 7 -
I am not aware of whether Reznick’s DNA sampling actually isolated a genetic change responsible for the different coloration of the guppies.
see here for changes at the DNA level, although they don't link it to function.
What appears to be happening is that Reznick is confused, as are so many evolutionary biologists, about the ramifications of his research. He says that “evolution” is happening right “under our nose” and that this is the kind of evidence that should convince people who “don’t believe in evolution.” Yet, if he means “evolution” in the simple sense of some change in a population, then (a) no-one would dispute that anyway, and (b) it doesn’t tell us anything about how the changes came about, which is precisely the matter at issue. On the other hand, if he means “evolution” in the sense of generating new biological information and new biological function as the result of random mutations and other evolutionary mechanisms, then his research certainly has not shown any such thing. Indeed, he seems to admit that such could not have occurred.
I don't think it's Reznick who's confused - it's you. I think it's clear that he's talking about heritable phenotypic change, so yes, we all agree that that's happened and there's nothing controversial. So why do you then criticise him and call him confused because his work doesn't look at evolutionary novelty? Does he claim to do that? Or are you creating confusion by mis-interpreting what he meant by 'evolution'?Bob O'H
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Box, he probably implies across time as in multiple generations yielding a cumulative result. KFkairosfocus
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Mapou: Anybody who has played with genetic algorithms knows that they’re only good for toy applications. Actually, genetic algorithms can be quite adept at solving complex problems or navigating complex spaces. tjguy: And then you have the problem of stasis – no evolution occurring for hundreds of millions of years – or so the claim goes. That's not correct. Evolution proceeds even in cases of living fossils. Eric Anderson: It is often due just to sloppy thinking. In the present case, for example, I don’t have any reason to think Reznick is anything other than genuinely sincere in thinking that he has seen evolution occur right “under our nose.” Reznick's research papers don't seem confused. See Ghalambor et al., Non-adaptive plasticity potentiates rapid adaptive evolution of gene expression in nature, Nature 2015. Can you be specific? Eric Anderson: It is simply an observation of what happens with a species in the wild. And it happens to be an evolutionary biologist who devised the experiment and made the observations. Quite prolific those evolutionary biologists. Eric Anderson: It would be more accurate to say that many good studies are done by biologists in spite of evolutionary principles. Nearly all good studies are done by biologists holding evolutionary views. On the other hand, Intelligent Design appears to be scientifically sterile. Eric Anderson: After all, what is meant by “rapid adaptive evolution of gene expression”? Changes in heritable gene expression, as opposed to changes in gene expression due to phenotypic plasticity. What did you think it meant? Eric Anderson: Finally, if what we mean is that organisms in the past “evolved” the ability to later “evolve” more rapidly, then we are not drawing any supportable conclusions from the data, we are just making up stories about some hypothetical evolutionary past to salvage our ever more tenuous naturalistic paradigm. You're conflating phenotypic plasticity with evolution. You seem to be the one confused, not Reznick. Box: natural selection is a hindrance to evolution, assuming that “the goal” of evolution is finding all viable creatures. No. Mere viability is not "the goal" of natural selection, but selection of the most prolific.Zachriel
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Eric Anderson: Natural selection doesn’t have any abilities. It isn’t a force of any kind. It is just a label applied after the fact to describe the stochastic results of differential reproduction.
Why do you not add "and survival" to your last sentence? I know you have given this subject a lot of thought, so I suspect there must be a good reason. My understanding is that natural selection is a destructive force which acts on an abundance of viable creatures that chance *magically* produces. If an organism continues to exist it can be said that it is "untouched" by natural selection — the grim reaper. For one thing natural selection is the direct result of limited resources. Natural selection, by killing off viable creatures, removes precious information. In other words natural selection is a hindrance to evolution, assuming that "the goal" of evolution is finding all viable creatures. Would you care to comment on my view?Box
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IMO, to accept intelligent design is to accept that advanced designers must have programmed the ability of living organisms to adapt to various environments. There is no way that a random optimizing process can anticipate future challenges. Knowing this, we are free to speculate and even make predictions about how such an adaptive mechanism might work. I hypothesize that the nervous systems or brains of the more complex species likely contain a gene modification module that responds to environmental cues by selecting or suppressing relevant genes. This happens, not only during the various stages of development to adulthood but also as a result of environmental stimuli. Careful research should reveal this, IMO. It's about time the ID community starts making some serious scientific predictions based on intelligence and design. We, too, are intelligent designers. We know a lot more about it than we think. Many among us are handicapped by various philosophical and religious traditions. This is why ID has been stuck in rut, IMO. But it does not matter in the end. Evolution does not have a prayer. Sooner of later, the hammer comes down. Hard.Mapou
October 12, 2015
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Glad to see you back Eric.Upright BiPed
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tjguy @19:
Is that how they are explaining it? Hasn’t that same type of change been explained by natural selection in the past?
That has always been the traditional explanation for this kind of thing -- finch beaks, insects and insecticide, peppered moth, etc. Also, Reznick seems to think the change in the guppy population is an example of natural selection. Indeed, it is possible that it is an example of natural selection. As Mapou @18 points out, it may well not be, but let's assume for purposes of discussion that the guppies show a marvelous example of natural selection in action. Great. What was being selected and where did it come from? Certainly not from random mutations or some similar chance process.
In other words, does this then take away some of the claimed abilities of natural selection to cause change?
Natural selection doesn't have any abilities. It isn't a force of any kind. It is just a label applied after the fact to describe the stochastic results of differential reproduction. But, taking your question a bit broadly, yes. That is one of the big takeaways of the guppy experiment and other experiments with bacteria and finches. The traditional RM+NS mechanism becomes more and more marginalized as we learn what is actually going on in the biology. Neo-Darwinian evolution (RM+NS) seems to be limited to the relatively rare scenarios that have the characteristics we see in, say, the malaria/sickle cell situation. That is why I am interested to know of other good, solid, confirmed examples of Darwinian evolution in action. I'm struggling to think of many -- which should be surprising, because even evolution skeptics have long granted that Darwinian evolution can produce all kinds of microevolutionary changes. For my part, I'm not so sure anymore and I'm not just asking a rhetorical question in the OP. I genuinely want to know whether RM+NS is really such an anemic and marginalized driving force in biology as I am starting to suspect.
At any rate, the conclusion remains the same – no new genetic information which means it is not the type of change Darwin needs to support his hypothesis.
Absolutely correct.* And this is the key point that Reznick and other proponents of the grander claims of evolutionary theory seem to have a hard time grasping. ----- * Even if there were arguably some "new information" produced by an adaptive mechanism actually altering the genome (questionable, but let's go with it for purposes of discussion), it still would not be an example of the kind of thing that traditional evolutionary theory can rely on for proof of the theory. It certainly would not be Neo-Darwinian evolution, or even Darwinian evolution understood more broadly. We might be tempted to call it "pre-programmed evolution" or "adaptive evolution" or something like that. But why even use the loaded and easily-misunderstood word "evolution" in that case? It doesn't help us understand anything that is going on in the actual biology and in fact just confuses things. Better to call it a "pre-programmed adaptative response" or something like that. Much more accurate and useful terminology than "evolution."Eric Anderson
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Zachriel @15:
What’s interesting is that all these sorts of studies are nearly always done by biologists based on evolutionary principles.
Not really. It is simply an observation of what happens with a species in the wild. Evolutionary theory wasn't necessary to perform the study and hasn't been particularly helpful in understanding the data. Indeed, it has been an impediment. It would be more accurate to say that many good studies are done by biologists in spite of evolutionary principles.
Reznick clearly distinguishes between phenotypic plasticity and adaptive plasticity, and even finds a relationship between them. See Ghalambor et al., Non-adaptive plasticity potentiates rapid adaptive evolution of gene expression in nature, Nature 2015.
Sounds all very impressive. That is, until you unpackage it. After all, what is meant by "rapid adaptive evolution of gene expression"? What is the word "evolution" doing in that phrase? What is evolving in a case like this? Again, we are right back to the basic point. If by "evolution" all we mean is any change in an organism or a population, then we have fallen into a rhetorical trap and have put forward an illusory explanation. In contrast, if we are claiming something more -- for example, that this "evolution" occurred through purely natural processes without any pre-programming or designed mechanism -- then we are adding an unwarranted gloss and grossly misinterpreting the data. Finally, if what we mean is that organisms in the past "evolved" the ability to later "evolve" more rapidly, then we are not drawing any supportable conclusions from the data, we are just making up stories about some hypothetical evolutionary past to salvage our ever more tenuous naturalistic paradigm. Again, no-one doubts that adaptation can occur quickly. There are many examples, and Reznick's guppies are an excellent example, with good, solid data. The question is not whether adaptation occurs, or even whether selection occurs following that adaptation. The question on the table is the source of the adaptive mechanism and the adaptive capability. And the more we learn the more the traditional Neo-Darwinian mechanisms are being pushed to the fringes of relevance.Eric Anderson
October 12, 2015
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EA:
It isn’t even necessarily intentional. It is often due just to sloppy thinking. In the present case, for example, I don’t have any reason to think Reznick is anything other than genuinely sincere in thinking that he has seen evolution occur right “under our nose.” Indeed, as he suggests, how could anyone doubt evolution with such evidence. All very sincere.
I hope you're joking. The man is not a scientist. He's a professional liar.Mapou
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Jerry @14:
How much of what is happening to the guppies, the result of epigenetics?
Good question. I'm not sure we know at this point, but we can make some educated guesses. If by "epigenetics" we mean the broad concept of everything that occurs in the organism other than changes to the genetic code itself (changes to gene expression, for example), then likely we are dealing almost exclusively with epigenetics in this case. There is no evidence, and no rational expectation, that the changes in the guppy population in only 4 generations and in the short span of one year resulted from random mutations or similar chance changes to the genome. It seems to be a very clear case of a switching mechanism -- definitely not random. The only caveat I would add is that some organisms have the remarkable ability to proactively make changes to their genome in response to environmental cues (some bacteria for example have this ability) -- an epigenetic mechanism that makes a genetic change. Whether we call the result epigenetics or genetics, it is clearly a controlled process and has nothing whatever to do with the alleged Neo-Darwinian evolutionary mechanisms such as random mutations. Whether guppies have this kind of ability is, as far as I know, not yet demonstrated and thus still an open question.Eric Anderson
October 12, 2015
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EA:
Yes. One of the great rhetorical tools of the evolutionary proponent is to use the same exact word to refer to wildly different phenomena. That way if the little tiny, uncontroversial phenomena can be proven, then the whole grand theory is proven. At least that is the thinking used to convince the uninitiated.
I would not call it a "rhetorical tool" or a "thinking". It's an outright condescending and insulting lie. It insults the public's intelligence, the same public who pays their salaries. We should not put up with this behavior and be polite in our criticism. They don't deserve it.Mapou
October 12, 2015
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Eric- Hopefully Dr Spetner will say something here.. In the book he just notes what happened and says if the variation already existed in the guppies and the different predators were the difference then it isn't evidence for random mutations doing anything. If the change was brought on by the guppies themselves or some built-in response to the predatory selection then it isn't evidence for random mutation. The change happened in two years so it would have had to be some very lucky mutations that caused the change.Virgil Cain
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Mung @13:
I think we should stop referring to changes in gene frequencies as Darwinian evolution. In fact, I think we should stop calling it evolution.
Yes. One of the great rhetorical tools of the evolutionary proponent is to use the same exact word to refer to wildly different phenomena. That way if the little tiny, uncontroversial phenomena can be proven, then the whole grand theory is proven. At least that is the thinking used to convince the uninitiated. It isn't even necessarily intentional. It is often due just to sloppy thinking. In the present case, for example, I don't have any reason to think Reznick is anything other than genuinely sincere in thinking that he has seen evolution occur right "under our nose." Indeed, as he suggests, how could anyone doubt evolution with such evidence. All very sincere. And completely confused. Would that the term "evolution" referred to a specific, well-defined, agreed-upon phenomenon, rather than a hodge-podge of semi-related phenomena, ranging from the obvious and the well-supported at one end of the spectrum to the outrageous and the wildly-speculative at the other.Eric Anderson
October 12, 2015
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Is that how they are explaining it? Hasn't that same type of change been explained by natural selection in the past? In other words, does this then take away some of the claimed abilities of natural selection to cause change? At any rate, the conclusion remains the same - no new genetic information which means it is not the type of change Darwin needs to support his hypothesis.tjguy
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