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A couple of weeks ago a friend forwarded me a link to this recent article about “ongoing research to record the interaction of environment and evolution” by University of California, Riverside biologist David Reznick. Reznick’s team has been studying adaptive changes in guppies. Reznick’s work focuses on tracking what happens in real-world situations in the wild, rather than the somewhat artificial environments in the lab. As a result, Reznick has gathered some of the more trustworthy and definitive data about changes over time in a real-world environment, largely free from the intervention and interference of the coated lab worker.

The article states:

The new work is part of research that Reznick has been doing since 1978. It involved transplanting guppies from a river with a diverse community of predators into a river with no predators – except for one other fish species, an occasional predator – to record how the guppies would evolve and how they might impact their environment.

In the recent follow-up research, Reznick’s team studied “how male color pattern affected” their differential survival in the environment. Significantly, the team even gathered DNA from the guppies over time to track who their parents were and reconstruct a guppie pedigree to help determine the reproductive success. Without going into all the details, which are interesting in their own right, the key point for my purposes today is that this adaptive change occurred extremely quickly.

Graduate student, Swanne Gordon, noted,

Our research shows that these fish adapted to their new habitats in less than one year, or three to four generations, which is even faster than we previously thought.

Reznick adds,

People think of evolution as historical. They don’t think of it as something that’s happening under our nose. It is a contemporary process. People are skeptical; they don’t believe in evolution because they can’t see it. Here, we see it. We can see if something makes you better able to make babies and live longer.

What Really Happened?

Now normally when my friend forwards a link, I will just review the article, realize it is making claims beyond the data, and move on. But coincidentally, just days earlier I had been reading Chapter 7 of Lee Spetner’s 1998 book, Not by Chance!

Part of Spetner’s argument is that many adaptive changes we see in nature are in fact not examples of a Darwinian process of chance changes + natural selection, but instead the result of specific programming capabilities in the organism to allow it to respond to changes in the environment. Indeed, what caught my eye about the article my friend forwarded is that Spetner had discussed Reznick’s earlier experiments in that very context.

After describing two different predators of the guppies: (i) the cichlid, which prey on large mature guppies; and (ii) the killfish, which prey on small immature guppies, Spetner continues:

Reznick and his team took 200 guppies from the Aripo [river in Trinidad] and put them in a tributary of the river that is home to the killfish but has no cichlids and had no guppies. Changes soon appeared in the newly introduced guppies. The fish population soon changed to what would normally be found in the presence of the killfish, and Reznick found the changes to be heritable.

The full change in the guppy population was observed as soon as the first samples were drawn, which was after only two years. One trait studied, the age of males at maturity, achieved its terminal value in only four years. The evolutionary rate calculated from this observation is some ten million times the rate of evolution induced from observations of the fossil record [Reznick et al. 1997].

Reznick interpreted these changes as the result of natural selection acting on variation already in the population. Could natural selection have acted so fast as to change the entire population in only two years?

Spetner goes on to argue that the adaptive change observed in the guppies is more likely the result of a programmed response to environmental change, and provides several examples of such changes in other species.

Where is the Darwinian Evolution?

Darwinian evolution, as we know, is supposed to work by natural selection weeding out random variation. The Neo-Darwinian model has traditionally gone a step further, suggesting that those random variations are genetic in nature — taking place in the DNA as a copying error here, a misplaced sequence there, an accidental cut-and-paste elsewhere . . .

So the question arises: do the kinds of rapid, adaptive, reversible changes Reznick observed owe their existence to this kind of Darwinian process, or are they the result of a pre-programmed genetic response to environmental changes?

Spetner makes a good argument that we are observing the latter. He goes on to show that even many of the classical examples of Darwinian evolution — you know, the examples of random mutation + natural selection that even most evolutionary skeptics have tended to accept: convergent “evolution” of plants in similar environments, the “evolution” of bacteria to live on lactose or salicin — are not good examples of Darwinian evolution at all. Even that icon of icons, finch beaks in the Galapagos, is likely not a good example of the alleged Neo-Darwinian mechanism of random mutation + natural selection.

All of this prompts me to ask a simple, but pointed, question:

How many good examples are there of Darwinian evolution?

The more research I do the more I come to the same conclusion Spetner did, namely that most adaptive changes are not the result of the random, purposeless changes Darwinian evolution posits as the engine of biological novelty.

Even skeptics of the grand evolutionary claims tend to accept, either specifically or implicitly, that Darwinian evolution can produce all kinds of minor adaptive changes, the so-called microevolutionary changes: variations in finch beaks, insect resistance to insecticides, coloration of peppered moths, and so on. And indeed, the “selection” side of the formula seems to work well, which is simply the somewhat pedestrian observation that if an organism is poorly adapted to its environment it has a poor chance of surviving.

Yet the engine of the novelty, the alleged random variation that is supposed to provide all this adaptive variability on which selection can work its magic, seems stubbornly absent. Even these most common of examples, on closer inspection, do not support the Darwinian claim. Thus the doubts multiply. If Darwinian evolution cannot even claim explanatory credit for things like bacteria being able to metabolize lactose, what can it explain? The more closely we look, the more anemic the Darwinian claim becomes.

Now we could be intellectually lazy and call every adaptive change we observe an example of “evolution.” But the problem with observing a change and claiming that we have observed “evolution” is that (i) we rob the word of explanatory value if it is applied indiscriminately, and (ii) we trick ourselves into thinking we have an explanation for what occurred, when in fact we have have no idea what is happening at the molecular level or the organismal level to produce the change. Claiming that we are witnessing “evolution” in such circumstances becomes then not so much an explanation as a confession of ignorance.

Real Darwinian Evolution

There are no doubt quite a number of legitimate, confirmed examples of random mutation + natural selection producing an important biological effect. For example, I think Behe’s review of malaria/sickle cell trait is a legitimate example of Darwinian evolution in action. And the circumstances of that example are rather telling: (a) large population size, (b) meaningful amount of time, (c) very strong selection pressure, (d) and change that can be caused by one or two single-point mutations.

If we see adaptive change outside of these parameters — small population, short timeframe, an adaptation that requires significant genetic change — we might be better served to suspect that we are witnessing a programmed adaptive response, rather than Darwinian evolution. And rather than being naively impressed with the great power of Darwinian evolution to act more rapidly than anticipated, we should be prompted to look deeper to find what is actually taking place.

Your Turn

In addition to the malaria/sickle cell example, what other examples of legitimate, confirmed Darwinian evolution can you think of?

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wd400 @77, Man, I'm not your dog. So you can pack it you know where. I explained in simple terms why a random search would be impossible. If you reject my argument, then you too are a gutless liar in my book.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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Who needs science when Mapou just knows stuff...wd400
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wd400, I don't want the experimenters to do anything other than retract the paper and their interpretation. It's obviously crap. I already know for a fact that they cannot prove that the variants occurred randomly. I know for a fact that guppies are programmed genetically to adapt to their environments in a non-random way. Regarding your allusion to labs experiment that demonstrate whatever, the hell with that. I don't trust anything coming from evolutionary biologists. The fact that they are "evolutionary" anything makes them liars in my book.Mapou
October 13, 2015
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No. it is up to the experimenter to show that it happened that way To be clear: you want the experimenters to go to a natrual population and assess whether genetic variants in that population were produced randomly with respect to fitness or by some unknown non-random process? How could you even start to do this? (there are plenty of lab experiments that demonstrate mutations are random with respect to fitness, btw)wd400
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wd400:
This experiment is far too short for mutation to be important.
So why claim it supports Darwinian evolution then? Never mind. I know. It's the usual damn lies. All Darwinists are habitual liars.
The evidence is for selection on standing genetic variation. If you imagine this variation is not random with respect to fitness then it’s really up to you to explain how that’s possible
No. it is up to the experimenter to show that it happened that way. Again, no evidence. Why no evidence? Because it did not happen that way. That's why. But since, obviously out of desperation, you are placing the onus on the reader to prove the Darwinist interpretation of the experimental results to be just a bunch of crap, I will oblige. The reason that none of it could have happened via any kind of blind random process is that the combinatorial explosion forbids it. As simple as that. The search space is too huge for a stochastic solution. It would take trillions upon trillions of years. I'll leave as an exercise to you to figure out why.
— it’s a very speculative claim that lacks evidence or indeed a plausible mechanism.
This is nonsense, of course. The refutation of the Darwinist stochastic prediction is straightforward and unassailable. The only alternative is a nonrandom process. Read and weep.Mapou
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Dr JDD @56: Excellent examples. Well said.Eric Anderson
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UB @27: Thanks. Lots of other stuff going on, but I still check in occasionally. Regularly see things I would like to write on, but this one caught my eye (and I happened to have a bit of time that day). :)Eric Anderson
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Bob O'H @53:
Really? How is it different in that regard from the peppered moth or Darwin’s Finches? They are both also just examples of adaptation, but evolutionary skeptics have objected to them.
What do you think the guppy observations tell us, and why do you think an evolutionary skeptic would object to those observations? Skeptics have no problem with the data. It is the beyond-the-data speculations and naive power-of-evolution proclamations that skeptics object to. Skeptics have no issue with the idea of organisms adapting to their environment. Same with peppered moths and finch beaks. Indeed, most evolutionary skeptics (certainly nearly all prominent ID proponents) have long accepted that these could be examples of natural selection. There are many issues with Kettlewell's particular observations (topic for another day) and some with the finch beak observations. But most skeptics have said, in essence, "Sure. So the percentage of light and dark moths in the population changed. So what? It doesn't tell us anything at all about how we got a moth in the first place." What peppered moths, Galapagos finches, bacterial resistance, insecticide resistance and guppies all demonstrate very clearly is the following fundamental principle: Organisms have the ability to adapt to temporary environmental change while ultimately resisting long-term fundamental change. None of these observations demonstrate progression toward a new and different type of organism. All they demonstrate is temporary oscillation around a norm. And as far as changes in organisms, that is all that has ever been empirically observed in nature.Eric Anderson
October 13, 2015
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Have you read the paper? Or the press release? It's not clear that this comment relates to that paper at all...wd400
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WD400 You have it all wrong. It is you that have to explain how happenstance just got lucky again for the fish. If you actually apply your mind to the history of life then you would have to say happenstance is very lucky. All these creatures all adaptation by some luck process... You are welcome to believe it I'll pass....Andre
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This experiment is far too short for mutation to be important. The evidence is for selection on standing genetic variation. If you imagine this variation is not random with respect to fitness then it's really up to you to explain how that's possible -- it's a very speculative claim that lacks evidence or indeed a plausible mechanism.wd400
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wd400:
They show a phenotype changing as the result of selection a heritable trait. That’s certainly Darwinian evolution.
You must be a relative of Zachriel, the resident prevaricator. Where the RM+NS evidence? None to be found anywhere. This is just another example of lying Darwinists insulting the public's intelligence with their condescending crap.Mapou
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Darwinian evolution requires the changes to be accidental/ happenstance. That's certainly not apparent in this case.Virgil Cain
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wd400, give us break. They claim it shows Darwinian evolution in action. It does not. It’s a damn lie.
They show a phenotype changing as the result of selection a heritable trait. That's certainly Darwinian evolution.wd400
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Eric,
Eric Anderson: Yes, chance is at the heart of innovation in the evolutionary viewpoint. (A few individuals like to imagine that there are some as-yet-undiscovered natural laws that will produce organisms, but that is wishful thinking.)
Chance produces an abundance of viable creatures — “viable” as in suited for existence — for natural selection to act on. This brings me to the idea that prior to natural selection there is a more fundamental selection: one may call it “existential selection”. Under materialism organisms are bags of chemicals "who" are performing a (very) dynamic balancing act — homeostasis — until they don't and die. Is there a reason for this balancing act? Well there is no reason stemming from within the organism, since not one single part, atom or molecule, of the organism is interested in the organism; let alone in its continued existence. The only reason that the organisms that we see today don’t fall apart is because the ones that did didn’t pass the filter of existential selection and are not longer among the “living”. So, organisms don’t fall apart because, well …. they are there (?)
Barham: How can living systems be so robust (dynamically stable), when they consist of thousands of chemical interactions that must all be coordinated precisely in time and space? From the point of view of physics, cells (not to speak of more complex organisms) should not exist, and yet they do. How is that possible? The only suggestion Darwinism has to offer is chance: those systems that just happened to be stable are the ones that we see today.
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wd400, give us break. They claim it shows Darwinian evolution in action. It does not. It's a damn lie.Mapou
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Note to Eric: In Dr Spetner's new book his discussion on guppies pertains to their ability to adapt their morphology and behavior to the type of predator in the area. Cichlid fish prey on the larger mature guppies whereas killfish prey on the smaller immature guppy-puppies :). Under cichlid pressure guppies adapt by maturing early and having many small offspring, which can evade the predator. Under killfish pressure they mature late and have fewer albeit larger offspring, which can evade the killfish. (Spetner "the Evolution Revolution , 2014, pg 71-2)Virgil Cain
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How many of you guys read the paper? Because they demonstrate pretty clearly the change in orange colouration in the experimental population had an genetic basis...wd400
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Zachriel:
Natural selection is due to heritable differences that lead to differences in reproductive potential.
That is incorrect. Natural selection is due to random/ happenstance heritable differences that lead to differences in reproductive potential. And that is whatever it is.
That ID is scientifically sterile,
Only to the scientifically illiterate. And who cares what they say about science?
and evolutionary biologists are clearly on the right track due to their long history of success.
Of what? Procuring grants? They haven't had any success supporting undirected evolution. Most don't even try.Virgil Cain
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Zachriel:
Mapou: You either don’t understand what the combinatorial explosion means The limitation of genetic algorithms isn’t primarily the size of the search space, but the structure.
Man, why don't you pack it? Why do you insist on always talking from the wrong extremity? Must be a genetic thing, eh? Like kleptomania or Tourette's syndrome or something? Your time is coming, you hear me, Zacky-o? Soon, the hammer comes down. Hard. And sooner than you think. I'll be watching you people squirm with a beer in one hand, a bag of cheetos in the other and a smirk on my face. LOL.Mapou
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Eric Anderson: Natural selection does not have any discernable directionality, which is a point often missed by evolutionary proponents. So the theory proposes organisms created by chance which then survive by chance. That is incorrect. Natural selection is due to heritable differences that lead to differences in reproductive potential. Eric Anderson: natural selection simply means that some organisms get caught by the grim reaper, as you say, before reproducing. That is also incorrect. Most natural selection just means a small difference in the number of viable offspring. Eric Anderson: You seem quite adamant to point out that most biological experiments are performed by biologists with evolutionary views. What is your point That ID is scientifically sterile, and evolutionary biologists are clearly on the right track due to their long history of success. Eric Anderson: Yet any genetic algorithm or other trial-and-error process (the famous NASA antenna that evolutionary proponents like to point to, for example) has to be carefully and closely parameterized or it will not produce anything of value and will be useless as a tool. Genetic algorithms can be very general. Whether they are successful then depends on whether the landscape exhibits positive structure. Mapou: You either don’t understand what the combinatorial explosion means The limitation of genetic algorithms isn't primarily the size of the search space, but the structure.Zachriel
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Dr JDD:
And again, it comes down to sloppy labelling if ALL AND ANY adaptation as termed evolution
It's not sloppy at all. It's calculated mischief. It's an outright lie and deception hoping that the public is too stupid to notice. PS. All evolutionary scientists should be fired and their alma mater vilified.Mapou
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My car has automatic air conditioning. Therefore I when it is hot the ac comes on. Therefore it has adapted or evolved. My car also has automatic windshield wipers. When it starts raining they come on. Therefore it has adapted hence evolved. To say these things is as dumb as to say because an organism already contains information allowing them to adapt or change to a different environment that this is proof of evolution. And again, it comes down to sloppy labelling if ALL AND ANY adaptation as termed evolution, then the failure to separate this form of adaptation (utilisation of existing information) from the type claimed to evolve the proteosome, the splicing machinery, ATP syntheses, etc etc from dirt.Dr JDD
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And to add to Virgil Cain and much of the point of this thread: none of these examples provide evidence of addition of novel information. Again, as Eric has already demonstrated there is a complete failure to understand what is objected to by those that deny evolution's explanatory power of common descent.Dr JDD
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Bob O'H- the objection is due to evolutionists using them to support Common Descent. "We see this over very little time so more time means more change." We also object to them being used as examples of natural selection because no one knows what caused the variation.Virgil Cain
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Eric Andweson @ 47 -
Yet the guppy experience is nothing that an evolutionary skeptic would object to.
Really? How is it different in that regard from the peppered moth or Darwin's Finches? They are both also just examples of adaptation, but evolutionary skeptics have objected to them.Bob O'H
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The most parsimonious explanation is that inteligent design is happening under our noses.mohammadnursyamsu
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Mapou:
This is about as stupid an answer as you can get.
Welcome to the world of Zachriel. :cool:Virgil Cain
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Zachriel:
Mapou: I am an AI researcher and I know about GAs. Complex problems kill them dead because they cannot get past the combinatorial explosion. Then you’re doing it wrong.
You must be a magician.
Mapou: To get good results from GAs, one must severely restrict the problem space. Computers generally don’t have the resources of nature, so they can’t solve problems of the same scope; however, they can solve complex problems far faster than random search.
This is about as stupid an answer as you can get. You either don't understand what the combinatorial explosion means or you're just lying as usual. Which is typical of all Darwinists and atheists. No big surprise there. The combinatorial explosion increases the search space exponentially. The problem is especially intractable when working with DNA sequences. It does not matter if you have a computer the size of the earth or the size of the entire universe. Heck, a computer the size of trillions upon trillions of universes would be no better than a Commodore 64. PS. Get some education.Mapou
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Actually, genetic algorithms can be quite adept at solving complex problems or navigating complex spaces.
It is true that advances can be made using a trial-and-error process. It is a legitimate tool in any designer's toolbelt. Computers are helpful because they speed up the process exponentially. Yet any genetic algorithm or other trial-and-error process (the famous NASA antenna that evolutionary proponents like to point to, for example) has to be carefully and closely parameterized or it will not produce anything of value and will be useless as a tool. The only way genetic algorithms do better than random search is if they are parameterized on the front end and/or subject to intelligent selection on the back end. Not an impressive thing to rely on if one hopes to produce a functioning organism.Eric Anderson
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