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Stephen Jay Gould’s Contempt for the John Templeton Foundation

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Yesterday Charles Harper issued a press release taking to task Daniel Golden for his piece in the Wall Street Journal in which he suggested that the John Templeton Foundation has been a patron or sponsor of Intelligent Design (for the press release, go here). In that press release, Harper ritualistically underscored just how much money and effort the John Templeton Foundation has spent on critiquing ID. In particular, he noted that

for almost a decade the John Templeton Foundation has been the major supporter of a substantial program at the headquarters of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), one of the chief focus activities of which has been informing the public of the weakness of the ID position on modern evolutionary biology. (see: http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser) This program was founded under the advice and guidance of the prominent evolutionary biologist Francisco Ayala when he was President of the AAAS, and was also supported by Stephen Jay Gould under his Presidency.

For Harper to cite Gould as an ally here is ironic since Gould had nothing but contempt for the John Templeton Foundation. In his book Rocks of Ages, Gould attacks what he calls the “syncretic school,” which embraces “the oldest fallacy of all as a central premise: the claim that science and religion should fuse to one big, happy family, or rather one big pod of peas, where the facts of science reinforce and validate the precepts of religion, and where God shows his hand (and mind) in the workings of nature.” (212)

Worse yet, as far as Gould is concerned, “the spectacular growth and success of science has turned the tables for modern versions of syncretism. Now the conclusions of science must be accepted a priori, and religious interpretations must be finessed and adjusted to match unimpeachable results from the magisterium of natural knowledge! The Big Bang happened, and we must now find God at this tumultuous origin.” (213)

And who is the worst offender here? Who, more than anyone, is responsible for this resurgence in syncretizing science and religion? Read on:

In the summer of 1998, a deluge of media hype enveloped the syncretist position, as though some startingly new and persuasive argument had been formulated, or some equally exciting and transforming discovery had been made. In fact, absolutely nothing of intellectual novelty had been added, as the same bad argments surfaced into a glare of publicity because the J. M. Templeton Foundation, established by its fabulously wealthy eponym to advance the syncretist program under the guise of more general and catholic (small c) discussion about science and religion, garnered a splash of media attention by spending 1.4 million bucks to hold a conference in Berkeley on “science and the spiritual quest.” (214)

Question: Would it help the Templeton Foundation to accept Intelligent Design if a Harvard professor as famous as Stephen Jay Gould could be found to support it?

Follow-up Question: If an equally prominent ID proponent treated the Templeton Foundation with Gould’s contempt, would the Templeton Foundation nonetheless fawn on him and invoke his name to counter less respectable elements in the science-religion dialogue?

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yes, and you know little to nothing of the bible and christianity. which is probably why you attack it. catholics do, indeed, read the bible as being a true account of events. if they didnt, theyd be wasting their time, surely. youre saying that catholics believe in stuff they know to be untrue...miracles, healings, etc. thats not the way they see it.jboze3131
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nooo...you obviously study other religions about as extensively as you study philosophy. Catholics do not interpret the bible literally, plus they feel that tradition and opinion of the Pope is superior to the Bible. The bible is just a biography of Jesus to Catholics, it can have editorial errors, but generally it is true. Try to either go before the 1800's or into the 20th century when you think of other religions...Im almost sure your a Fundamentalist **Fundamentalism started in the 1800's and was pretty well disputed by the 20th centurypuckSR
November 17, 2005
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now youre claiming catholics dont believe the bible is real? its not literal? christ didnt die was resurrected? no miracles? no healings? think again.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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hey catholics are great...they do not believe in literalism... by the way...try googling Paul and intolerance....you should get a lot of hitspuckSR
November 17, 2005
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luke was an apostle? peter was literate? ever read the Gospel of Peter? forgot about matthew...yeah that one is ok, nevermindpuckSR
November 17, 2005
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puck and davescot- unfortunately you guys are very close minded individuals, and you clearly think christians and theists in general are idiots. has me wondering why youre offering opinions on the site of a catholic who almost surely doesnt agree with your views that christians believe in fairytales and are like people with ouija boards.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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puck- problem is, no one has any real concept and understanding of consciousness. the apostles didnt write any of the NT? matthew?! luke?! peter?! maybe were reading different versions of the bible! paul didnt preach tolerance and love?!? 1. he did in fact do so. and 2. a lot of his stuff might seem different because he was speaking to the gentiles and crafted the message for them.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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hey DaveScot...im going to bed watch jboze like a hawk...and make sure he doesnt get any junk into the argument also if you could..(i dont know your personal opinion)...argue the chimp angle in my absencepuckSR
November 17, 2005
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Wow...the straight dope here is a better link http://www.pigeon.psy.tufts.edu/psych26/language.htm and it even challenges my point to some degree...look how objective i am mompuckSR
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ID has a friend in Greg Bear "The New Biology" by Greg Bear http://www.gregbear.com/A55885/Bear.nsf/pages/300067 [snips]
The unfortunate aspect of the rancorous debate on evolution in the last seventy or more years has been the fossilization of hypotheses. One side says "God and God only," the other says, "Random mutations and natural selection and nothing more." Both are likely wrong. A third variety of "intelligent design" has long been awaiting our attention. ... My hypothesis: through communication by pheromones, viruses, and sexuality, and through incorporation, selection, and editing of complexes of genes by a linguistically based and computational DNA, the genomes of individuals become part of an extensive, species-scale neural network that solves problems on a much vaster scale than science has ever anticipated. A conference of molecular biologists held in 1998 reached conclusions similar to mine. Their papers were published in 1999 in a thick report edited by conference chair Lynn Caporale, Molecular Strategies in Biological Evolution, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, V. 870. I have been invited to discuss these possibilities with biologists, most recently at the After the Genome Conference in Tucson, Arizona, chaired by Roger Brent of the Molecular Sciences Institute. There I met with biologists, computer programmers and engineers from MIT and a number of private companies who are being recruited to examine the nature of computational DNA, and to provide clues as to where to look next. While I do not claim that these scientists share all of my views, the discussion was open and very stimulating. The revolution is well under way. Some refer to this burgeoning new view as "systems biology." For many conservatives in biology, the changes are heartbreaking, even infuriating. But the evidence has been mounting for decades, and clear signs of the necessity for radical change has been evident for over fifty years. Arthur Koestler fought reductionism in psychology and biology from the 1950s to his death. We're facing a true paradigm shift. Is that surprising? Did anyone actually believe we had all the answers to something as marvelous and complex as life and evolution? There may indeed be teleological and intelligently directed evolution, but we do not need to blame it on God. DNA itself may be creative, and in its own way, goal-seeking and problem-solving. This allows evolution to proceed in a more rational fashion, and explains much of what has been observed in the fossil record, and nearly all of what has been observed in living organisms. Time and good science will tell. As always.
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November 17, 2005
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most biologists believe in evolution...then it must not be silly either...it must have some serious scientific merit.puckSR
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on ape signing: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030328.html he brings up another good point...parrots can actually learn to use their voices to respond to questions and tasks. so, we have ape signign which is almost always nonsense, and parrots who can talk and do tasks but really seem to have no idea what theyre doing and no comprehension. what now? humans are very closely related to parrots then?? these are the gaps in the fairytale that cause problems with the general US population.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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John is not John the apostle..ask anyone who studies the bible Paul did not preach tolerance and love...he often spoke of Hell and punishment Ape sign language...hmm...I understand that apes are capable of abstract concepts...i understand that they use sign language in interpersonal communications with other apes who are knowledgable...plus they teach their young how to sign. Not one Apostle wrote in the Bible...it can be argued that Peter dictated his writings...but Peter was the loose cannon of the group..so i dont know if i trust him. Remember that story of Troy...it was called the Illiad by Homer....total lies right? Oh wait, while being a fairy tale, it actually contained many specific points of accuracy. Wow...so you mean fairy tales can be based on truth, in fact, a great deal of truth? NopuckSR
November 17, 2005
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no puck...you were implying the idea of a soul is silly. those who study the issue thru science, in large numbers, believe in a soul. so, theres support for it.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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come on. youve cleasrly not read the studies of ape sign language. i thkink someone posted them in one of the recent threads here. even if you could teach an ape to sign basic ideas, thats not psychology were speaking of. paul taught the opposite of christ? how on earth do you get that?! so, YOU are now saying that the bible is a fairy tale, correct? so, my point stands...if you believe its a fairytale full of fiction...one would have to have a role model that was fictional. either that or christ and his disciples who wrote the gospels and the NT were liars. or lunatics. which is why i said davescot's role model idea made no sense. tho, you seem to have little knowledge of the OT, considering we have many sources who wrote the books. and paul didnt teach the opposite of christ, and john is talked about a lot. so we hardly have lost his identity anymore than weve lost the identity of christ himself.jboze3131
November 17, 2005
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wait wait...did you just use the same argument that Darwinists use? Popularity proves truth?puckSR
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theists in general??? we are speaking in strict generalities now? GREATpuckSR
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ok jboze ill help you 1. People have communicated with an ape...its called sign language 2. wiring? ok ill give you that..but motors electric vs combustion; fans compression vs cooling 3. almost half of the new testament was written by either Paul...a guy who taught opposite of Jesus..or John...a guy who's true identity has been lost. Neither knew Jesus personally...but i guess they are good enough for youpuckSR
November 17, 2005
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yeah. google NDE, soul, etc. considering the majority of US medical doctors are theists...does that not say something? theists, in general, fancy the idea of a soul for the most part.jboze3131
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1. no one has talked with an ape. 2. wiring, motors, fans, etc. 3. your washington comments makes little sense. so, what youre saying is- we should say the bible is bunk, yet how do you know of christ outside of it and the christian and jewish writings? you cant say, thats all bunk, but christ is my role model (based on the book that i think is bogus!) that idea on christ makes absolutely no sense. you say that his bio is full of fairy tales...how do you gather theyre fairy tales? and which ones are fairy tales and which are real? second- how do you pick and choose from the books about him what is true and what was made up. was it all real? was it all made up? you cant say- the bible is a fairytale, but the stuff on jesus' teachings- i believe in all that jazz. thats absurd.jboze3131
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jboze...could you please point me towards some good scientific literature on the soul besides that story about 21 gramspuckSR
November 17, 2005
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okay, heres where were at. davescot thinks the ideas of most christians and most dualists in general are absurd. dont waste his time with it. but a nueral network designing all the universe and all life in it- its from a well respected book that was reviewed by nature (wait...has nature reviewed dawkins books? cause im sure dave thinks his ideas are wrong as can be)...so, thats an okay idea. theres nothing ouija board about that idea, but dualists- to hell with them and their voodoo nonsense. come on. you dont see the problems with this? and were STILL left with the issue that consciousness hasnt been explained by anyone, yet you automatically rule out a soul as poppycock. makes sense to me! i thought you wanted to follow the evidence wherever it lead? i seeno evidence of any neural networks at work in the universe creatign anything, let alone everything. hmmm. im more confused than ever now. i wonder how many books youve read on dualism? souls? spirits? maybe youre too lazy and ignorant to read up on these subjects? im betting a yes on that.jboze3131
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i have not personally had the honor of talking with an ape....but i know people who have Jesus...try George Washington...his biography is full of fairy tales...yet we know a lot about him thanks to multiple accounts(Gospels) and general messages conveyed in his biography(New Testament) What complex parts do a refrigirator and a car share?puckSR
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"this coming from the guy who thinks a system of nueral networks ala the matrix is the designer" The Matrix? There's nothing of the matrix about it. "sounds like a totally insane idea to me" That's because it's way over your head. The concept is the scientific plot behind the book "Darwin's Radio". A review of said book appeared in Nature (maybe you've heard of Nature?) and is reprinted here http://www.gregbear.com/A55885/Bear.nsf/pages/300040 The reviewer is one Michael Goldman whose CV includes: Peabody Veterans Memorial High School, June 1972, magna cum laude, Peabody, MA 01960. Bachelor of Arts in Biology, University of Rochester, May, 1976, magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa, Rochester, NY 14627. Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Purdue University, 1981, W. Lafayette, IN 47907. Post-doctoral fellow, Medical Genetics, Baylor College of Medicine, 1982-1983, Houston, TX 77030. Senior fellow, Medical Genetics, University of Washington, 1984-1988, Seattle, WA 98195. Professor of Biology, San Francisco State University, September 1995-present. Chair, Advisory Board, Center for Computing for the Life Sciences, San Francisco State University, 2005-present. Chair, Department of Biology, San Francisco State University, 2005-present. Here's a clue, Boze. When someone like Goldman writes a glowing review of a sci-fi book in a journal like science the only people that call the idea insane are just too ignorant to understand it and too lazy to check it out before commenting. So there.DaveScot
November 17, 2005
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puck- we know of jesus' character and his life from the bible. if you say that the bible is a fairytale, how can you reasonbly say what jesus was like at all...considering youre busy bashing the only source material we have? (along with the early jewish and christian writings outside the bible...but those are still religious texts one would surely rule out as true if they rule out the bible as true and merely a fairytale).jboze3131
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why would that give them ammunition? do you deny NDE has worldview implications? as does ID, surely...no? do you deny that most atheists would be less inclined to see the evidence behind ID? and theists the opposite? mystic nerve? a matrix like system of a designer isnt in any way mystic? dembski clearly, as a christian, i would assume believes in a soul and a spirit. so youre basically saying you support him and the theory he uses but other than that hes a paranormal-believing idiot? you cant have it both ways. either hes a ouija board toting weirdo (as all christians would be under your definition), or hes a materialist. clearly anything in life has implications on your worldview, your sense of purpose and meaning, and all of the stuff related to all of that. try separating NDE from atheism (with top names like dawkins and scott and others, good luck!) try separating any theory from the worldview implications surrounding it. also...science does not get consciousness. its a mystery...so why rule out a priori the idea of dualism and souls? if there is a designer, chances are- he did his designingwith purpose. or hes not worth much as a designer or anything else. and.. how do you gather that apes and humans share similar psychological characteristics? unless youve talked to an ape. cars and fridges share a number of parts and shapes. theyre not of the same group are they? common design or common descent. both are clearly a possibility.jboze3131
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jboze: Jesus can be your role model without you believing any of the spirtual stuff just look at BuddhapuckSR
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Gee boze, seems like I touched some sort of mystic nerve there. Dembski is trying to get some scientific respect for ID and you're blithering on about ghosts. Forgive me for getting a little cheeky but paranormal associations like that gives the opponents of ID the ammunition they need to heap scorn on it.DaveScot
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ok jboze....please help me..i have asked this question to many people what is the big difference between apes and men? We share similiar physical characteristics we share similiar psychological characteristics we share similiar social characterisitcs I see the difference between a protist and a plant I see the difference between a dog and a cat what is the difference...im honestly asking?puckSR
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plus- we all know a common designer could have made apes and humans alike. and those who were made most alike would clearly have the closest dna, similar body types, etc. selection in the lab when sped up runs into brick walls. no one can show that nature can do it without the brick walls and somehow lead ape to man. not yet...so, we shouldnt say that one must admit that this is the case, considering science has yet to show it with any empirical evidence. just so narratives, sure...but thats about it.jboze3131
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