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The Deification of the Word Scientific, and How it Has Lost Meaning

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While I was growing up during the 1950’s and 1960’s the word “scientific” was bandied about with abandon. Anything that was labeled “scientific” was immediately given credibility, because of the tremendous achievements of the hard sciences like mathematics, chemistry, physics, and engineering. There were phrases like “better living through chemistry” in advertisements. When I became interested in games-playing artificial-intelligence research I found books with titles like Scientific Checkers.

In the 20th century the meaning of the word science took on almost the equivalent of the meaning of the word holy. Anything that was scientific was good and true, by definition. Anything that was unscientific was suspect at best, and probably the result of ignorance and nefarious intentions at worst.

In this environment, the “theory of evolution” (which is never clearly defined by its proponents) was, and continues to be, labeled as scientific. Any challenges to it — no matter the evidence or logic — are thus, by definition, unscientific, and are therefore the result of ignorance, nefarious intentions, or perhaps both.

Real science should be the search for truth, wherever the evidence leads. This has the potential to be discomforting for anyone, if the evidence conflicts with deeply held pre-convictions. So be it.

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As far as acupuncture goes, it is being studied - scientifically -- and findings do not suggest it be rejected out of hand.tribune7
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Ellazimm --Otherwise . . . remote viewing are science. Ella, that is a fascinating analogy. I wonder if any major university would allow a I.D. lab fully supported by Department Heads?tribune7
December 4, 2007
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Frost122585: Do you think the evolutionists don’t fervently believe that what they are doing is right and that they are fighting for the truth?
ellazimm, to try and put everyone in one catagory is a catagorical fallacy called a generalization- Of course some do. But that deosnt mean that they ARE right. I was referring to the oppistion that ID faces in the classrooms and in the public domain in general. ID is the under dog. My point is dont let the loud and powerful opinions of the many distract you from doing what you know to be right. They say it isnt science yet the theory has been written. Then they switch ground and say there isnt enough science while the whole time blocking all funding from getting to those who wish to work with the theory. When Reagan used the term he was referring to the choice he had to make to deregulate the market. He knew people would loose ther jobs and his polls would go way down maybe even loosing him the next election. But he had the guts to do what he believed in despite the popular opinion. People like myself think that it was this that helped pave the way for the economic success the US expierenced in the 1990's. Rather you agree or not the right thing can be the toughest thing to do, especially when you are the minority. But to speak in general I think it is the Darwinists at this point that are the more dishonest of the two camps. The constantly by and large conflate ID with creationism. This happens ALL THE TIME. It is not a statement based in fact. It is a dishonest label... and yes, most of them know it.Frost122585
December 4, 2007
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Real science should be the search for truth, wherever the evidence leads. This has the potential to be discomforting for anyone, if the evidence conflicts with deeply held pre-convictions. So be it.
spot on. i know of no scientists who would find their personal views upset if evolution was proved to be untrue. on the other hand, most ID proponents seem to need, depend, cling to, any idea that may verify their hope for a God.alext
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-----Allanius: #5 Actually, that is a very good summation. Here is the way Mortimer Adler gets at the root of the problem: "Methodologically, the rule would appear to be a simple one to follow. When you disagree with a philosopher's conclusions, regard them as untenable, or find them repugnant to common sense, go back to his starting point and see if he has made a little error in the beginning. A striking example of the failure to follow this rule, and one with disastrous consequences for philosophy in the last 150 years, is to be found in Kant's response to Hume. Hume's skeptical conclusions and Hume's phenomenalism were unacceptable to Kant, even though they awoke him from his own dogmatic slumbers. But instead of looking for the little errors in the beginning that were made by Hume and dismissing, as unfounded, the Humean doctrines and conclusions that he found unacceptable, Kant felt it necessary to construct a vast piece of philosophical machinery, designed by him to produce conclusions of an opposite tenor. The intricacy of the apparatus and the ingenuity of the design cannot help but evoke admiration, even from those who are suspicious of the sanity of the whole enterprise and who find it necessary to reject Kant's doctrines and conclusions as well as Hume's. Though they are opposite in tenor, they do not help us to get at the truth, which can only be found by correcting Hume's little errors in the beginning and making a fresh start from correct premises that lead to conclusions that are neither Hume's nor Kant's." This is instructive. Can there be any doubt that if Kant had not questioned the "reality" of design in the mind, then Darwin would not have dared to question the reality of design in nature? Skepticism breeds bad science.StephenB
December 2, 2007
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ellazimm, I do think that some truth is verifiable, but there is some truth that is not verifiable. No I am not making a "just accept it on faith" argument. What I am saying is that there are some concepts that aren't verifiable at all. For example, I have every reason to believe that you exist, feel pleasure and pain, have consciousness etc. But do I know it for sure? Do I know that you are not just programmed (DNA, evolution) to scream when in pain, and to speak as if you were conscious? How would I ever know? Just because it is not verifiable, it does not mean that it is not true. It just means I cannot know that truth (unless, as some would argue, through faith or something).Collin
December 2, 2007
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The deification of science began in the 17th century, with Bacon and Descartes. The incredible discoveries of Galileo caused them to believe that science could provide the happiness that had not been found in Scholasticism--or indeed, in Classical philosophy. Science came to be viewed as a means of obtaining truth and thus of curing the world of all its ills. The first giants in the field were Christians who believed that they could use science to read the mind of God, following the notion that God's eternal qualitites can be seen in everything that has been made. A distinct change came with the Enlightenment, which was partly a reaction to the religious wars resulting from the Reformation. The link between science and Christianity became fragile as men like Hume stepped forward to claim that it was possible to find happiness in science without God. Hume's grand plan for separating science from faith came to fruition in Darwin. The theory of evolution removed God from nature entirely. But the desire for transcendence is too powerful in the human spirit to be suppressed, which is why Natural Selection became a sacred text. In our own time, science became mixed up with the notion of the superman. Science was sacred because it had genius priests like Einstein who transcended their fellow beings. The very difficulty of theoretical science became a sign of difference and superiority. These dreams of transcendence lie in ruins, however. It seems that science is not equipped to provide the happiness that was promised. Its divine status is now being called into question. And a focal point of this questioning process is the incontrovertible reality of design.allanius
December 2, 2007
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Good point Bob. I didn't mean to suject this to morality. This point of view is qualitative not quatitative. Meaning that as long as your goals are honest and you think you are right go do it to the best of your ability regardless of what those who try to block you from doing say. It could result in crime for sure but so could alot of philosophical positions if stretched universally with no moral constraints. Two quotes I think fit well here "Make sure you right and then do it." -Ronald Reagan "Those who say it can't be done need to get out of the way of those who are doing it." -don't know These both apply to the position that ID has found itself in- with darwinian evolutionists trying to stop funding, educating, researching, or even talking about the idea publically.Frost122585
December 1, 2007
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Frost122585 - that could equally well apply to politics. Feyerabend pointed out that under some philosophies of science, organised crime would qualify as a science. BobBob O'H
December 1, 2007
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I would like to invoke here Dembski's definition of science which he barrows from Percy Bridgman, which I too agree with wholeheartedly- “Science is doing one's damndest with one's mind, no holds barred.”Frost122585
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