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Former Canadian Defence minister said US is plotting an intergalactic war, Stephen Hawking not helping matters

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[This is a light-hearted precursor to a more serious essay I’m writing about ID/Creationism and Extra-Terrestrials. Other than being a pre-cursor to that essay it has no ID content.]

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Denyse reported earlier on the former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer. Wiki has this to say about him:

In November 2005, he accused U.S. President George W. Bush of plotting an “Intergalactic War”. The former defence minister told an audience at the University of Toronto:

“The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning…The Bush Administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide.”[9]

Paul Hellyer

Hellyer is reported to have said other things:

According to most, almost every report, is that the ETs are more spiritual than we are. And so, we really have to emulate them; not only in technology but in spirituality.”

He then specifically references global warming and “changing the banking system” and follows up with:

“the major religions who have been fighting each other and killing each other for millennia are gonna have to stop doing that and work together to build what I call ‘the kingdom of god on earth’ which I define as, as a world where all the children have food to eat, and water to drink, a little education, some healthcare…that should be the priority of all the major religions…we can get some inspiration from the ETs.”


” In one of the cases during the cold war, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying South from Russia across Europe. The supreme allied commander was very concerned and was about ready to press the panic button when they turned around and went back over the North Pole. They decided to do an investigation and they investigated for three years and they decided that with absolute certainty that four different species, at least, have been visiting this planet for thousands of years. There’s been a lot more activity in the past two decades, especially since we invented the atomic bomb. They are very concerned about that and if we will use it again, because the whole cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the cosmos. They’re very much afraid that we might start using atomic weapons again and this would be very bad for us, and them also.”

“Many are benign and benevolent, and a few are not. They come from various places, for a long while I only knew about ones that came from different star systems, the Pleadies. There are extraterrestrials that come from Andromeda, and ones that live on one of Saturn’s moon’s. There is a federation of these people, and they have rules, one of them is that they don’t interfere with our affairs unless they are invited. They have accepted the fact that this is our planet, and we have the right to run it but they are very concerned, they don’t think that we are good stewards of our planet. We are ruining our planet, we’re doing all sorts of things that we shouldn’t be doing, and they don’t like that. They’ve made it clear, and they have given us a warning.”

“Decades ago, visitors from other planets warned us about the direction we were heading and offered to help. Instead, some of us interpreted their visits as a threat, and decided to shoot first and ask questions after. It is ironic that the US should be fighting monstrously expensive wars, allegedly to bring democracy to those countries, when it itself can no longer claim to be called a democracy when trillions, and I mean thousands of billions of dollars have been spent on black projects which both congress and the commander in chief have been kept deliberately in the dark.”

4 Known Alien Species

I found out about Hellyer because I was looking for information about Stephen Hawking and UFO’s. Hawking had this to say:

In the recent TV series “Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking,” the world-renowned physicist stirred the pot of speculation concerning unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and potential earthly visitations by extraterrestrial (ET) entities, warning it would be best for humankind to avoid contact with them if possible.

Hawking noted such aliens would probably be nomads living in massive spaceships after having exhausted the resources of their own planets and shifting from one interstellar refueling station to the next. “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.” Hawking has issued this warning for several years. In a 1996 essay, he said until humans become more sophisticated, they should be “wary of answering” aliens.

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and that drew a response from Hellyer

On May 2, Hellyer publicly defended extraterrestrial civilizations, which he strongly believes have not only visited Earth but also have contributed positively to human technological advancement. “The reality is that they’ve been visiting Earth for decades and probably millennia and have contributed to our knowledge,” Hellyer said. “Microchips, for example, fiber-optics, they are just two of the things that allegedly … came from crashed vehicles.”

In an interview, Hellyer said: “I think Professor Hawking is indulging in some pretty scary talk that I would have hoped would not come from someone with such an established stature. I think it’s really sad that a scientist of his repute would contribute to what I would consider more misinformation about a vast and very important subject.”

but one thing also came out of this regarding Carl Sagan:

report said in 1984 beloved astronomer/astrophysicist Carl Sagan revealed to J. Allen Hynek that he, like Hynek, believed UFOs are real. Hynek, a former professor of astronomy at Ohio State University and at Northwestern University, served as civilian scientific consultant to the U.S. Air Force’s seminal UFO study know as Project Blue Book (1952-69).

At the outset, Hynek was a UFO debunker and, as he said, was an “arch-enemy of those flying saucer groups and enthusiasts who very dearly wanted UFOs to be interplanetary.”

But after leaving Project Blue Book, Hynek wrote: “Now, however, documentation which puts the UFO-U.S. government controversy in quite a new light has become available” and shows “that the CIA and NSA protestation of innocence and lack of interest in UFOs are nothing short of prevarication. … For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are non-existent in the face of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence … is puerile and, in a sense, an insult to the American people.”

Sagan’s alleged UFO revelation was cited by Hynek’s former colleague, photojournalist and investigative reporter Paola Leopizzi-Harris.

“My recollection is that Hynek said it was backstage of one of the many Johnny Carson Tonight Shows Sagan did,” Leopizzi-Harris said. “He basically said” to Hynek “in 1984, ‘I know UFOs are real, but I would not risk my research funding, as you do, to talk openly about them in public.’ This comment was in stark contrast to many of Sagan’s earlier statements, including one at a 1968 meeting of the U.S. House Committee on Science and Astronautics at which he said: “I do not think the evidence is at all persuasive, that UFOs are of intelligent extraterrestrial origin.”


In related news, I didn’t realize Denver actually voted on the formation of Extra Terrestrial Affairs Commission

In Denver, they’re voting on whether to protect themselves from extraterrestrial aliens.

Ballot Initiative 300 would require the city to set up an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission (extracampaign.org) stocked with astrobiologists and other PhD scientists to protect residents from “potential encounters or interactions with extraterrestrial intelligent beings or their vehicles.”

Here is the followup essay: https://uncommondesc.wpengine.com/intelligent-design/boldly-going-where-no-man-has-gone-before-will-we-find-ets-or-are-we-alone/ scordova
Look ufo's are real as in unidentified objects. Many ufo investigators agree that 95% of ufo's are physical but theres still that 5%. As a person who was part of the New Age alien brotherhood deal ive seen ufo reports that makes sci-fi real, what these ufo's are is still debated. These politicans are not delusional or crazy some ufo reports like one in argentina that reported a mile long crash trail with threes taken down and rocks burnt and melted for miles. No plane wheels or wings nor glass or metal, just a long burnt trail and a huge explosion preeceding the trail that shook local towns taking out power. This stuff really made question what we reality we live in. Here me out that something strange is going on because ufo reports keep increasing and our government wont talk. Please tell me im not the only one whos questioning the mainstream. Jaceli123
@ Sal Thank you Sal, and you're very welcome. Eugenie Scott is way off in her critisim of Norm Geisler's views in this subject, but then again, I'm not surprised. I look forward to your nexf essay! God Bless KRock
Hi KRock, At first I was reluctant to touch upon the subject, but in light of the fact you're interested, I suspect the question may be of interest to others, and it also has some relation to the landmark evolution-creation case, McLean vs. Arkansas. Further, I feel some obligation to defend Norm Geisler from criticism by Eugenie Scott and the NCSE. Even as recently as this Septermber 2013, the NCSE's "Science" Defense League of America was still going after Norm: Bride it came from Outer Space You helped give me the ammunition to finally set the record straight and show that the outrageous sounding claims of Norm Geisler are credible, far more than most anything the NCSE's "Science" Defense League has to say regarding evolutionism. The next essay on the subject will be more serious and it will incorporate some of the material you helped me find. You're interest in the this aspect of apologetics has helped me. Thank you. It's been a wonderful exchanging information over then net regarding these topics. Someone out there may need to know the things we've learned. For myself, I wish I had known this when I was a relatively new Christian. It would have helped me so much. The Lord bless you, Sal PS This was the essay that I mentioned in the RA Herrmann thread that included Hynek. I was almost about to trash this essay until you mentioned Hynek, and thus you encouraged me to follow through with this light-hearted essay and the more serious one that I'm working on. Thanks for the encouragement! scordova
I don't doubt the phenomenon of UFO's, but I doubt the idea that their origin is interstellar. "If one sets the three occult groups against the three classifications of UFO entities and their characteristics, it is rather surprising how complementary to each other they appear to be, not only through their appearance, activities, and level of behavior, but also in the quality of mental and, especially, emotional reaction and response that has been noted to have occurred on contact." Ivar Mackay [former chairman of the respected British UFO Research Association] "The manifestations and occurrences described in this imposing literature [on demonology] are similar if not entirely identical to the UFO phenomenon itself." John A Keel [one of the most informed persons in the world on UFOs, author of the now-classic UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse] "The modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical." Dr. Pierre Guerin [an eminent scientist associated with the French National Council for Scientific Research] "A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestations and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena." Lynn E. Catoe (the senior bibliographer for a government publication researched by the Library of Congress for the U.S. Air Force Office of Scientific Research: UFOs and Related Subjects] "We are dealing with a yet unrecognized level of consciousness, independent of man but closely linked to the earth.... I do not believe anymore that UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance, the frequency of their manifestations through recorded history, and the structure of the information exchanged with them during contact." Dr. Jacques Vallee KRock

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